Recommend Caramel percentages

[mjag]

I am a caramel nut so I ordered 6 different which are supposed to be diketone free to test. Here are the brands I got:

FlavorArt (FA)
TFA DX version (TFA)
Inawera (IN)
Hangsen (HS)
Capella V2 (CAP)
Lorann (LA)

I also got some FA Butterscotch and will experiment later on with adding other flavors and sweet creams as HIC has suggested in his notes on FA Caramel. For this test I am just trying to get an idea of the flavor profile for each individual caramel before using it in mixes.

I am just trying to figure percentages for each caramel and I will mix up 6 different batches so I can compare and hope to find my favorites. I know FA is usually stronger so I was thinking about 3% to start and I hear Inawera can be on the strong side so maybe the same. The others I was thinking of starting at 5% and adjusting from there, or should I just go 5% for all 6?

These will be small 10ml batches each, same vg/pg ratio with no nic. Will shake and vape but also steep for a week, try each, then steep for another week.

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[mjag]

I just went ahead and used all 6 caramels at 3%, I know it will be too low for some but I decided to go off what I think would be the benchmark for FA. Besides it will be easier to make the percentages high than lower.

I went ahead and just put labels on the bottom of each bottle so I won't know what I am trying unless I cheat. After a 60 second shake of all 6 I went ahead and let them settle for 30 minutes then gave them all a smell. After I was done I looked at what had the strongest and best smelling of all 6 and it was Capella's Caramel V2. That actually surprised me, I was expecting it to be FA maybe.

I will continue to update this thread and what I finally decided on in case others are looking for caramel percentages.

All were mixed by weight in the same type bottle at 60 vg and no nic. I wrote down how many drops it took but if I add more I will do so by weight as well. I am going to give them the night to steep a little but I am guessing with single flavors not much steeping will be required. I made 13 ml each though so it should last me enough time to steep in stages and take notes.

 

[mjag]

Let them settled another hour and this time TFA was the best smelling followed by FA and Cap. Can't wait to taste all these tomorrow.

 

[Discobob]

I have tried different caramels in some of my frankenstein mixes and it seems to make it taste funky, love to hear your results on this

I love me a good caramel vape I just haven't been able to make anything that it is the dominating flavor without tasting artificial....

I just added to a butterscotch thread a couple days ago and have been getting some good Ideas you can add to this one if you want for more info and ideas.

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/butterscotch.35671/#post-667304

Good luck man a good butterscotch and caramel recipe will be great to add to the book of recipes

 

[mjag]

I have been following that butterscotch thread, definitely in my flavor profile. The only butterscotch I have is FA and tried a Butterscotch cookie with 2% FA cookie, 1% Vienna Cream and 1% Butterscotch that I read about on HIC's notes and it was pretty tasty. I am going to try that again but this time 3% cookie and maybe 2% on the other 2 as it was a little too light for me.

I just want a sweet and creamy caramel that I can use in a number of different recipes, never had a lot of luck finding a great caramel when I would buy juice so I am hoping I can find the right combo to make my mouth water.

 

[Squonk]

This has most companies. I keep it bookmarked.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1agXdua8bEp8MV4z1mn3qX4AXCS4P0RxQXcy2lDa7ccc/pub?gid=0

 

[mjag]

Thanks for the link Squonk.

I actually mixed up 6 bottles of the watermelon flavors I have as well to test and see which is my favorite. I really liked Ruthless EZ Duz It which is a strawberry watermelon so trying to make a clone of that as well as some other watermelon flavors. Quick smell before I left for work this morning and FA Watermelon had the best aroma.

Going to drip some caramel when I get home tonight, can't wait.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

My favorite Carmel so far is TFA Caramel Original. I also like FA Caramel but I think the TFA's is creamier/sweeter. I've never made a straight Caramel Vape. I usually add it to other ingredients (Cheese Cake, Custard, Desert/Baked Vapes, RY4D, etc) at 2-4% depending on how strong I want it. I've been experimenting with adding some FA to TFA (usually something like 1-3% TFA to .5-1% FA) to give a well rounded taste. I've also been experimenting with adding .5-1% FA Butterscotch to try and bring out the Caramel flavor better.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[mjag]

I forgot I also have Dulce De Leche from FW so I whipped up a batch last night with all the same percentages as a wild card in the mix. DDL is not exactly a caramel but in a lot of mixes it can be a substitute if you want a milky/creamy type of caramel profile. I wanted to test it out anyway since I just got it more out of curiosity than anything.

Like I mentioned before there are only marks on the bottom of the bottles to indicate the company, I don't know which is which unless I turn the bottle and look underneath. The only 1 I do know is the Inawera because the liquid is so dark, all the others are close enough in color that even the mildly darker one I guessed wrong after looking on the bottom.

I just recoiled a RDA and took some test vapes not knowing which was which and taking notes. I guessed wrong on which I thought was the DDL and which I thought was FA. None of them were terrible but I made notes that some need a little higher percentage except for one which I made a note to maybe lower the percentage by 0.5% to 1% even though it was still outstanding.

Now please note that all of these are 3% and the weaker ones I will add whatever I feel is necessary to improve the flavor if need be:

The one that really stood out above the rest with my notes saying "A little strong but delicious, milky, buttery and smooth with a ton of flavor" I was guessing FA for this one as 3% is way low for most flavors stand alone. I was wrong, it was Dulce De Leche from FW, I could probably cut this down to 2% and it would still have more flavor than all the others. I am thinking the others can be made to taste a little like this though with a mix of creams, maybe a sweet cream as it is sweeter than the others but not annoyingly so.

I am going to take the Dulce De Leche out of the comparison because it stands out way too much to me able to get a good read on the others. If you don't have and DDL from FW though do yourself a favor and pick some up. Just get the small 10ml size as a little goes a long way with it, I would start at 1 to 2% depending on how strong you like your flavor. At 3% it is really tasty too and I am going to add some nic to this bottle and vape it down. One of the best flavors I have tasted that goes great on it's own, I am vaping it right now.

I am going to save most of my comments on the Caramels until later. Most of them were a little too mellow at 3% and I made notes that I was either just getting a little creaminess but hardly any caramel or vice versa. I actually dripped 10 drops of Hangsen which was more on the cream side and Inawera which was more of a bold caramel and the combo was better than the 2 of them apart. The Inawera might be better at a lower percentage according to my notes.

Hey Steve. I did make a note on the TFA caramel that it was good, creamy and not too sweet but I felt it needed a little more. I am not going to add any more for maybe a week to see if any of these benefit from steeping. I was actually surprised that I had the FA down as the weakest out of all of them at 3%, I couldn't get much flavor, it was there, just so slight. The FA was the second flavor I tried too and would swish water in my mouth a few times when switching flavors. The DDL was the 5 one I tried, I felt bad for Hangsen and Inawera which came behind it.....lol.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I have TFA DDL. I like it but find it wants to overpower. I'm working on a Custard mix and started DDL at 2.5% (just 1 of the many ingredients ). It's now down to !.5% and still can taste it but overpowering. I think its good in smaller percentages as a complimentary flavor..

 

[mjag]

I am still working on this, just got busy with work and life. I did just post my thread on Watermelon flavors though as it was easier to get to and finish. If anyone is interested in Watermelon flavors then here is the link: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/watermelon-flavor-reviews-and-favored-percentages.132716/

 

[lownote2]

Excellent post. Hopefully someone comes up with a good caramel. I've been working off and on for months trying to get a good creamy caramel mix and it still eludes me. FA vienna cream does seem to really bring out the creaminess in the mix at the 1-2% range. I've tried cap/fw/and fa caramel and fw candy caramel. The flavors seem to morph on me, one day I like one and not the other, days later I tend to like a different one.

While I have mainly FA flavors and love them I can't seem to make their caramel work for what I want. Right now I'm working with fw candy caramel, but still nowhere near what I'm going for. FA vanilla tahity works wonders at 1% in a lot of mixes I've tried be it custards etc, but I haven't tried it mixed with the caramels yet.

Anything I find out I'll be sure to update, but until then hopefully someone comes up with something because a good creamy caramel recipe seems hard to come up with.

Thanks to all!

 

[mjag]

Your right lownote, a good caramel is tough to find. I am not looking for a straight caramel vape but instead as a mixer. I am not opposed to a caramel vape that just hits all the right notes though as a standalone, sounds tasty.

I hope to get back to this later tonight when I get home and will work on proper percentages, found that it can make a real big difference in flavor from my watermelon review.

I am thinking it might take a mix of caramels to get it right, the mix of hangsen and inawera was better than both separate. I might need to mix up a new bottle of inawera though, 3% might have been too much. Maybe I will try cutting the 3% mix down a little first after I test it again to see if it is still on the strong side.

 

[mjag]

This comparison is way harder than the watermelon compare I did.

I am going to remix 4 of the caramels to a lower percentage before I comment as a couple are way off and 3% may have been too high.

 

[lownote2]

I hear you. I just mixed up some caramels the other day. not bad but not great as usual. Going to start at much lower percentages too. (and i was only at about 12% total and that's not using FA which never takes near that much.

 

[mjag]

I added to all the bottles using the calculator on recipe calculator but it wasn't right so I just made up fresh batches of FA at 1%, Cap at 2%, TFA at 2% and Inawera at 1%. The Lorann and Hangsen were just about right at 3%, those 2 are the winners so far.

 

[mjag]

Now that I am sick of caramel I will post my preferences so far, 1 being best:

1. Inawera Caramel: At 3 % I wrote that it was not bad but not great, more strong caramel than creamy. At the remix to 1% I found it real good, a little creamy, not too sweet, just right. It reminds me of a decadent caramel you would get in a high end desert. Recommended Percentage 1%
2. The Flavor Apprentice DX Caramel Original: At 3% it was the strongest flavor, not bad but not the best caramel flavor. Remixed to 2% and still found it bold with the most flavor but just was slightly off compared to IN. If you want a caramel to stand out in your mix then this would be it. Recommended Percentage 1% to 2%
3. Lorann Caramel: Never remixed this one as I liked it. It is more of a creamy caramel, more cream than caramel flavor but it is there. It reminds me of a Caramel Frappe from McDonalds without the coffee notes. If you need a little extra cream in your mix with a slight hint of caramel then this would probably hit the spot. Might be a good mix with Inawera Caramel. Recommended Percentage 2% to 3%
4. Hangsen Caramel: So similar to Lorann that I will ask you to look up....haha. Same creaminess but I preferred the LA caramel just a bit more. This also didn't need a remix. Recommended Percentage 2% to 3%

Now here is were I had problems, with both FlavourArt Caramel and Capella Caramel V2.

Capela Caramel V2: is the one I guessed was Dulce De Leche from Flavor West in my first test. I guessed that because it tasted off compared to the other caramels, it was the 4th one I tried. It didn't taste bad, just different from the other caramels which is why I thought it must be the wild card DDL. I made another batch at 2% then noted: Not bad, just not great, not as creamy as others and the flavor is just a tad off. I am not sure making a 3rd bottle at 1% is going to help it but I might give it a shot as I love a lot of other Cap flavors. Recommended Percentage 1% to 2%

FlavourArt Caramel: At 3% I noted that it was weak, don't taste much caramel, soapy after taste. After it sat for awhile it changed but I still noted that the flavor was off, not bad, just off but didn't note any soapy after taste. Remixed to 1% and noted that it was just a soso caramel flavor, not bad, just not great. Recommended Percentage 0.5% to 1%

Of coarse taste is subjective so others may have the order reversed. I was actually surprised since FA and Cap came out on top in my Watermelon flavor comparison. I do plan to let these test bottles steep in the dark and will revisit them in a week or so and if anything changes I will post it here.

I have to once again mention Flavor West Dulce De Leche (Translation: Sweet Milk) for all the Caramel lovers out there since they are similar. I dropped some into my dripper right now and am loving the flavor.

 

[nabibrian]

Now that I am sick of caramel I will post my preferences so far, 1 being best:

1. Inawera Caramel: At 3 % I wrote that it was not bad but not great, more strong caramel than creamy. At the remix to 1% I found it real good, a little creamy, not too sweet, just right. It reminds me of a decadent caramel you would get in a high end desert. Recommended Percentage 1%
2. The Flavor Apprentice DX Caramel Original: At 3% it was the strongest flavor, not bad but not the best caramel flavor. Remixed to 2% and still found it bold with the most flavor but just was slightly off compared to IN. If you want a caramel to stand out in your mix then this would be it. Recommended Percentage 1% to 2%
3. Lorann Caramel: Never remixed this one as I liked it. It is more of a creamy caramel, more cream than caramel flavor but it is there. It reminds me of a Caramel Frappe from McDonalds without the coffee notes. If you need a little extra cream in your mix with a slight hint of caramel then this would probably hit the spot. Might be a good mix with Inawera Caramel. Recommended Percentage 2% to 3%
4. Hangsen Caramel: So similar to Lorann that I will ask you to look up....haha. Same creaminess but I preferred the LA caramel just a bit more. This also didn't need a remix. Recommended Percentage 2% to 3%

Now here is were I had problems, with both FlavourArt Caramel and Capella Caramel V2.

Capela Caramel V2: is the one I guessed was Dulce De Leche from Flavor West in my first test. I guessed that because it tasted off compared to the other caramels, it was the 4th one I tried. It didn't taste bad, just different from the other caramels which is why I thought it must be the wild card DDL. I made another batch at 2% then noted: Not bad, just not great, not as creamy as others and the flavor is just a tad off. I am not sure making a 3rd bottle at 1% is going to help it but I might give it a shot as I love a lot of other Cap flavors. Recommended Percentage 1% to 2%

FlavourArt Caramel: At 3% I noted that it was weak, don't taste much caramel, soapy after taste. After it sat for awhile it changed but I still noted that the flavor was off, not bad, just off but didn't note any soapy after taste. Remixed to 1% and noted that it was just a soso caramel flavor, not bad, just not great. Recommended Percentage 0.5% to 1%

Of coarse taste is subjective so others may have the order reversed. I was actually surprised since FA and Cap came out on top in my Watermelon flavor comparison. I do plan to let these test bottles steep in the dark and will revisit them in a week or so and if anything changes I will post it here.

I have to once again mention Flavor West Dulce De Leche (Translation: Sweet Milk) for all the Caramel lovers out there since they are similar. I dropped some into my dripper right now and am loving the flavor.

Thanks for the sharing your notes on this. Much appreciated!

 

[Heabob]

I have to once again mention Flavor West Dulce De Leche (Translation: Sweet Milk) for all the Caramel lovers out there since they are similar. I dropped some into my dripper right now and am loving the flavor.

Just wondering if FW DDL is any better than TFA DDL, if you've tried it anyway?
I'm not too fond of the TFA stuff, maybe it's just too bitter or something.

Nice review of the Caramels BTW.

So far I've only tried:
CAP Caramel v1
TFA Caramel Original (non-DX)
FA Caramel

Don't think I've ever tried any stand alone tho.

Looks like I gotta get some INW & HS now.

 

[SailCat]

Hey, mjag! You're really doing a thorough test. Cleansing your palate between flavors is an excellent procedure.

To further complicate your quest, are you familiar with Health Cabin flavors? I was not until a VU member mentioned them so, f course, I had to add some to the ever growing collection which we all have in common.

Among the ones I picked up were Caramel, Caramel Butter, Caramel Macchiato and Toffee. OSDIYS was the only place I could find stateside to offer HC flavorings and then only in 30 ml bottles. I've just started sampling so have formed no opinion but with a lifetime supply of this stuff, if you'd like some, shoot me a PM & I'll get it to you.

ETA: I posted prior to you saying your sick of it. Offer still stands if and when you recover,

 

[mjag]

Never tried TFA DDL. BCV lists the TFA version as having the bad stuff. The FW version is now clean I am hoping as it is listed that way on both BCV and FW websites. I know the FW version used to have Diacetyl listed for the DDL but now there website lists this for DDL: Independently laboratory tested Diacetyl free.

I hear that the CAP Caramel V1 and TFA Caramel Original are better than the versions I have used but have never tried them. I just read the reviews on BCV for the Cap V1 and V2 and it looks like everyone loves the V1 version but the V2 version has 3 reviews calling the flavor off the mark. At least I know now I didn't get a bad batch I guess and making a 1% remix seems unnecessary now. I won't toss the Cap, the flavor is different and not bad, just not the right kind of caramel but can add sweetness and maybe it will come in handy in the future, not like the 13 ml bottle takes up a lot of space.

The FA Caramel still baffles me and I have used it in a couple of mixes already with good results. Now that I think about it though with 1 mix it is used with FA butterscotch and cookie for a tasty treat but I am getting more cookie and butterscotch. The other is a caramel apple (Casino Pier from http://diyordievaping.com/) that is still steeping but the shake and vape tasted like all fuji apple and no caramel. I know Fuji tends to dominate most mixes, tasty and I love it but it sure likes to push other flavors to the side. I might try Casino Pier again but with TFA Caramel as that was the strongest of the bunch and another with INW at maybe 1.5%. Will drop down the Fuji a percentage as well so it doesn't dominate the whole mix. In both these mixes though the caramel is not very noticeable.

I ordered up 6 bridgeless atomizers which should be here in about a week and will try all these out again.

 

[mjag]

That's a very generous offer SailCat, thank you.

I was thinking of placing another order at OSDIYS before the end of the month to take advantage of the 18% off sale but never thought to give health cabin a try. I just sent an email to OSDIYS to ask if the HC flavors are Diacetyl free which is important to me.

I was just kidding about being sick of it, the caramel comparison is the toughest I have done so far though but not like I have done a lot. I am committed to trying to find the best caramel though as it will be used in a lot of my favorite recipes and the caramel has to be right or the recipe falls apart. Now I know why it is so hard to find a good caramel from juice makers, it's a tough flavor to get right. If I remember correctly one of the better caramels I got was from vapor god which I used to mix with coffee vapes back before DIY, a lot of other caramels I tried were just plain awful.

I might take you up on your offer sailcat, the caramel quest can always use more passengers

 

[joeyboy]

I just use Hic's caramel eggnog and up vienna cream to 4%, fa caramel to 4% and fa butterscotch to 2%. I know that won't work for most but in my veritas, after a couple of days of steep and occasional mixing, it is almost like those caramel squares. I love it. It is good in my Mutation x also.

 

[lownote2]

That original eggnog recipe of his was good. Made up 100 ml of it. But I felt for me it was missing something. Might try that but play with the percentages.

 

[TheVapingDevil]

My favorite Carmel so far is TFA Caramel Original. I also like FA Caramel but I think the TFA's is creamier/sweeter. I've never made a straight Caramel Vape. I usually add it to other ingredients (Cheese Cake, Custard, Desert/Baked Vapes, RY4D, etc) at 2-4% depending on how strong I want it. I've been experimenting with adding some FA to TFA (usually something like 1-3% TFA to .5-1% FA) to give a well rounded taste. I've also been experimenting with adding .5-1% FA Butterscotch to try and bring out the Caramel flavor better.

Cheers,
Steve

Agreed. I prefer the tfa version over the FA. It us very rich and creamy

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[mjag]

That's sounds like something I have to try joeyboy, maybe make up a flavor base as well to add to other mixes that need caramel. I do like FA Butterscotch, tasty stuff.

 

[joeyboy]

That's sounds like something I have to try joeyboy, maybe make up a flavor base as well to add to other mixes that need caramel. I do like FA Butterscotch, tasty stuff.

If you make this and vape it with the apple and almond cake recipe, it is almost like a caramel apple. I did add 0.5% fa fuji to the apple and almond cake recipe. Not necessarily needed.

 

[mjag]

To further complicate your quest, are you familiar with Health Cabin flavors? I was not until a VU member mentioned them so, f course, I had to add some to the ever growing collection which we all have in common.

Among the ones I picked up were Caramel, Caramel Butter, Caramel Macchiato and Toffee. OSDIYS was the only place I could find stateside to offer HC flavorings and then only in 30 ml bottles. I've just started sampling so have formed no opinion but with a lifetime supply of this stuff, if you'd like some, shoot me a PM & I'll get it to you.

ETA: I posted prior to you saying your sick of it. Offer still stands if and when you recover,

I again really appreciate the offer Sailcat but I got this response from OSDIYS in regards to HC containing Diacetyl's: "Unfortunately we do not have that information available from HC on their flavors. The best bet is to look at the TFA flavors, especially the DX flavor line as those are all diketone free."

I am one sick caramel puppy though and ordered up TFA's new caramel: http://wizardlabs.us/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=568&search=caramel and Lorann's other caramel from there natural line: http://wizardlabs.us/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=602&search=caramel

I was ordering a bunch of Inawera that is on sale anyway, what's another $3 gonna hurt......ouch.

 

[mjag]

If you make this and vape it with the apple and almond cake recipe, it is almost like a caramel apple. I did add 0.5% fa fuji to the apple and almond cake recipe. Not necessarily needed.

Your a mind reader, I am looking for a good caramel apple vape so this is going on the to do list.

 

[TheVapingDevil]

I've been doing some caramel testing as well. I thought I li k ed the tfa original version best but now after trying the INW version I am happy to report I love them both. The INW is a dark juice which reminds me if a high end decadent caramel desert drizzle. It's on day three if steeping at 2% and oh man is this heaven. More to follow as the steeping tests continue

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[mjag]

TFA now has 3 caramel's and that's not including caramel candy. I have the DX Caramel but ordered the new caramel from WZ: http://wizardlabs.us/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=568&search=caramel it says in the description "This is our new Caramel Flavor - we also have the original one too"

I really like the new caramel over the DX version, better flavor and still just as creamy. They are using Triacetin in the new version instead of Butyric Acid in the DX version to replace the Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl in the original version.

Still love the INW caramel, in fact almost all INW I have tried so far is outstanding. The new TFA caramel might be better in a mix though as it stands out a lot more, the INW is more subdued.

The new TFA caramel and the INW version are my 2 favorites now, might actually like the new TFA better as it is creamier.

 

[TheVapingDevil]

TFA now has 3 caramel's and that's not including caramel candy. I have the DX Caramel but ordered the new caramel from WZ: http://wizardlabs.us/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=568&search=caramel it says in the description "This is our new Caramel Flavor - we also have the original one too"

I really like the new caramel over the DX version, better flavor and still just as creamy. They are using Triacetin in the new version instead of Butyric Acid in the DX version to replace the Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl in the original version.

Still love the INW caramel, in fact almost all INW I have tried so far is outstanding. The new TFA caramel might be better in a mix though as it stands out a lot more, the INW is more subdued.

The new TFA caramel and the INW version are my 2 favorites now, might actually like the new TFA better as it is creamier.

I have tried the TFA original and really like it. Now the INW has a spot in top portion of the list. Still have to let it finish steeping and try it in a mix but it def has its place in my rotation. Just ordered the TFA DX version and will see how that plays out. Thanks for the tip on the new version. I will have to look it up and give it a shot as well. Eventually I believe we will find the ultimate caramel flavor. I have used FA version alot and although it is good, there is just something missing and I cant nail it down exactly. It seems to lack the creamy sweet taste

 

[zephyr]

I love Caramel...let's revive this thread 2 years later for more input! I only have CAP Caramel V1 and Caramel Candy, but I love them so much I haven't thought to try any others.

 

[mjag]

TFA Caramel (not the DX or the Original) is still my favorite but I really haven't ventured out to try any others besides what I mentioned in this thread. It just comes through in my mixes better than other caramels.

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[Hoggy]

I'm glad this thread was resurrected.. I'm on a caramel quest of epic proportions and am ordering every single flavor that has 'caramel' in it's name at Wizard and Heartland - save for the TFA Caramel Candy as I've read that the FW version of that is much better (plus the tester I finally got around to testing of the TFA Caramel Candy was less than stellar, albeit it's about a 5-year old glass vial).

Apparently like some others, I also have a hard time tasting caramel. So I hope that one of them can add up to something I can finally taste. I'm also glad I saw this tip about the new TFA caramel.. I thought that might've been either the same as the original (i.e. 'misprint') or some new DX-type version. So it's now added to my order. UGH! I can't wait until I can finally pull the trigger on these orders!

 

[Just Frank]

I only have two caramel flavors. FA and PUR Creamy Caramel. Fa's offering of this flavor is dull to me. Im vaping on a tester I made with the Purilum Creamy and it has promise. Its tastes pretty good all by itself. With only FA to compare it to I have no idea where it stands with all the rest lol.

 

[mjag]

I am on a self imposed flavor buying ban right now but that PUR creamy caramel sounds good.

I did try real flavors caramel, smells good but don't get much flavor, not recommended.

Also tried FW salted caramel, I like it but it irritates my throat to the point of coughing.

I hear medicine flower caramel is real good but too pricey for me, I am afraid to like it....lol

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