Smkon Kumo

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  1. Paratech

    Paratech I forgot VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Just arrived today.
    Lets see how this Tank/RDTA/GBA/RVTA/PBA checks out.
    (whatever the hell those are, haha)

    It certainly has plenty of coil and build options.

    We'll check out the gold version using the K3 SS315 coil 0.15Ω.
    It is rated at 50 - 260 watts.
    Are you as curious as I am?

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    We've got the K4 RDTA, K6 RDTA, K7 RVTA, and K8 PBA.
    The K3 coil and K5 GBA are included with the tank kit on the versions I chose.

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    Regardless of what color you choose, they all come in a box showing the silver tank.

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    All the coil options currently.
    That K7 certainly looks interesting.

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    Nothing out of the ordinary on the packaging, just nice and clean.

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    The gold sure does look nice.
    Very snug looking in there.

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    Extra O-rings, hex screws, glass, and allen wrench.
    That is the K3 coil we're going to start with.

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    They had no trouble placing a bright polished coil in the box.

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    The K3 coil

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    Instruction manual

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    (shipped with the K5 RDTA installed)

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    Top Cap/Drip Tip ID 8.6mm

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    Chimney ID 8mm

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    Adjustable air flow 2mm X 14mm

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    Gold plated 510

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    Huge juice fill holes.

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    K5 Deck
    Post holes 2.9mm X 1.9mm
    Build Deck 18mm
    Juice well 4.1mm deep
    Bottom feed

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    K4 Deck
    Post holes 1.9mm X 1.9mm
    Juice well 6mm deep
    Juice flow hole 1.5mm X 4.95mm
    Side feed

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    K6 Deck
    Postless

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    Damn sure looks sexy on the SnowWolf.

    So I made the poor choice to start with that damned K3 SS315 coil 0.15Ω.
    Wow, bad choice.
    It is rated at 50 - 260 watts.
    Bullshit!
    @ 150 watts what bit of flavor WAS there just goes away.
    All you get is a few drop of flavorless juice on your tongue.
    First, the airflow on that coil is NON-existent.
    I thought maybe the cotton swelled up within the coil.
    Nope.
    I thought maybe I just got a bad coil, it happens.
    I would have excepted it if it were the case.
    Pulled a second one of another box.
    Same thing.
    NO airflow.
    Hell, I could MTL with the damn thing.
    Definitely NOT what I was anticipating from a coil supposedly capable of 260 watts.
    Not only is there no airflow, to get a fair hit off it you have to hit it so hard your lungs collapse then you get a vape juice by the pound.
    So THAT coil is shit.
    Tried it in SS mode, tried it in power mode.
    That K3 coil is just shit.

    Definitely wanted to check out the K5 and K8.
    I think they'll be the ones that I like best.
    Once I get the others tested I'll report back.

    The tank it's self is actually made really well.
    Solid build.
    Smoooooth threading.
    It came out of the box as clean as if I had done it.
     
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    No pics
    Edit: never mind duh you said they were placeholders, sorry
     
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    Never heard of this tank......:vino:

    Definitely has "Options"......:wave:
     
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    Some of the decks look over complicated , mike vapes reviewed it a bit back , has some good things ,but verts need a 3/4 full tank all time , its now on sale gearbest toob

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    Just commenting so I can find this thread to comment later lol

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    That is a pre-order for the 13th.
    But it is only 4 days.....unless they do like my last 5 FT pre-orders and just continue to push the date further away.
     
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    Lol Email them directly , I got reply several weeks ago with price listing ect [​IMG][​IMG]

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    Just built out my K7 vrta deck. For testing I went with 22ss316 10 wraps at 3.5mm. These coils are very warm and base gets warm. These are only for testing. I will be building some 2x26ss316/36ss316 3 or 3.5mm coils tomorrow to put in. Running right now at 115w at 400 and the vape is veeeery nice! Smooth draw and loads of flavor! Very happy with the Kumo so far! Surprised at how easy the K7 was to build on and wick. Just too a few rounds of adjusting and tightening and then it was locked in and ready to rock!

    Note, wrap yours coils: down-around the back- and up! That lines the leads up for the deck. Also, pull a bit of wick out through the bottoms of the coils and fluff it out. That will act as a safety net to catch extra juice as it comes down through the coils.

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    Ok ok so where to begin?
    Props to @Paratech for the awesome thread. Very well done.
    Props to @MidwestExpress the build looks awesome. And how did my comment about commenting so I can comment later get likes lmao u guys are too funny.

    With that out of the way this tank looks awesome u all made me jealous so guess I'm building mine tonight. Not sure which one to build 1st.

    For the abbreviation

    RVTA- rebuildable vertical tank Atomizer

    Gba - Genesis buildable Atomizer

    Pba- pussy, boobs, ass? Idk 1st thing that came to mind.

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    And props to Infinite1 for the work and effort he put in.
     
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    That just looks bad ass.
     
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    I am gonna build my K8 in the morning. I have some staple aliens that asked to get thrown in it tonight but I gotta cash it in early tonight.


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    Yes thanks very much @Infinite1 for organizing and taking the reins on it

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    The K8 deck

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    Staggered Fused Clapton 3.5mm ID 5 Wrap from b_d_builders

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    (the coils were straight when I put them in there, a gremlin made them crooked)
     
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    So tried my 1st build last night on the triple coil deck (the K7) it was an adventure for sure but not too bad once you get the hang of it. the included guide bars were a great idea. Not sure if i have it wicked right as i didn't ee any instruction on it but I took a shot in the dark. it's a PITA to wick
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    Built and wicked up the K8. Threw some premade alien staple ss316 coils in. Super easy to build on and very easy to wick.

    Best way to wick is tank is mount coils, slide wick through (cut my tips at angle so not to have too much wick) put on glass, stuff wick down over holes and screw on top.

    K8 wicks great! No dry hits, no leaking or flooding. So far so good. Just set it up though over lunch so we shall see how it goes.

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    That is how i wicked mine. Works just fine for me! How is it going for you?


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    Only thing I have so far with the Kumo, now that I have built two separate decks and vaped on them is the tank gets waaaarrrrmmmm. My K8 is only running 75w and while the vape is nice, the tank gets very warm.

    Anyone else getting this?


    Also, with the K8 deck. I found you need to mount the base first in a mod and then screw in the deck. When I screwed the deck in first and then mounted, I was getting weird ohm readings. When mounting base and then deck, I was getting what I should be getting. Just an FYI.


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    not too bad. it eats juice. flavor is really good but I've gotten vaporlock a few times and had to unscrew the drip to to make it start wicking again. I think more cotton on the bottom would help too for spitback. i got some at first cause i over saturated my cotton on the bottom.

    this thing gets hot. like really hot. a few hits at 120 watts and it was almost burning to the touch.
    I'll have to try that assembly as well just to see. mine is working fine though just putting the deck in 1st on the K7
     
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    I didn't have the same mounting issue with the K7 like I did with the K8. I keep getting vaporlock with the K8 with the juice levels getting low. My wick is sitting on top of the holes and not through the holes. I think pulling some through the holes will fix that. Waiting to hear back from @Paratech to see how his is wicking since he pulled through the holes on the K8.


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    we'll figure this thing out as a team LMAO!
     
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    That is what I'm talking about!


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    Really glad I'm not the only one with the tank and decks. Get more experience and ideas this way!


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    yeah especially one as complicated as this one
     
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    On the K8 I did put the wicking through the holes but I can't give you real input on if that is good or not because.......
    Where the brass meets the silver, mine snapped.

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    I have not disassembled it yet to see if it is repairable or done.
    I was able to take a few hits and the resistance holds firm at 0.1Ω but between not wanting to use a broken deck and the vapor locks, I just couldn't get a good feel for it.
    When I return from my trip I'm going to get with Infinite1 to see if he'll contact them to see how they want to handle an exchange.
    They may only want to work through him.
    So far only worked with the K3 and K8.
    Currently not happy about either.
    I can say the few hits of the K8 where I actually got a decent hit, they were pretty damn nice.
    Very thick of vapor and extremely flavorful.
     
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    I am liking the tank, very nice and love the options! Really nice full vape. Dense and full of flavor. Smooth airflow, and love the variety of decks available. I still have the K5 and K6 to build. Might do the K6 next as I love postless decks. Hoping it performs!


    Caveats... vapor locks, tank gets hot, and... the metal on matchbox cars feels stronger than the metal the decks are made from.

    I am still waiting to see my full take on this system as I keep going through some trial and error.


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    @Paratech I think you should grab up some jb weld and fix that deck! Haha


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    Matchbox cars from today or matchbox cars from when we were kids?
    Big difference in metal thickness.
    lol
     
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    Def not the tanks we had when we were kids. Lead paint added to the heft there too! Haha

    You have to be in the red line club to get the good cars now days!


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    Lol when we were kids u could kill someone with one

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    Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!
    Found the one.
    The K5 deck is indeed the choice deck.
    While I really thought I'd like the K8 better, it turned out to be not so.
    Then again since it broke on me I guess I shouldn't say it isn't equal or better then the K5 since I am unable to do a fair assessment of it.
    But this K5 is turning out to be a sweet deck.
    Requires a bit more cotton then I thought it would.
    I have enough cotton coming THROUGH the bottom that I thought it was going to choke it out, turns out that is how much it wants.
    Any less and it'd be a certain wet vape.
    More wet than I'd want, to the leaking stage I am sure.
    I'm liking this K5.

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    0.3x0.8+32GA SS316L 6 wrap 3.5mm ID Aliens @ 0.14Ω

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    You're not going to fit larger coils in this.

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    The Genesis style one. Wonder how it stacks with the Fuji and troll?

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    If I had either, I'd certainly compare.
    If you have them, I'll wait for you to report back.
    lol, nothing like pushing it off onto you.
    haha
     
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    Lmao I have the fuji and a troll is in the mail. But I didn't build the k5 I started with the 7. Might switch it over this weekend

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    Are those some of the Hawk coils? Are they in the U.S.?

    I ask because I've only seen Chinese coil makers calling those coils aliens. True aliens should have the wave, and multiple cores.
     
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    You're right on the Aliens should have the wave.
    What I purchased and resized to 3.5mm ID:

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    Authentic MKWS 316L Stainless Steel Alien Pre-Coiled Wires for RBA Atomizers (10-Pack)32 AWG / 0.2mm dia. / 0.3mm*0.8mm flat / 0.45ohm $2.13
     
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    Thanks for the clarification.

    I bought some of those MKWS kanthol coils expecting aliens, too. About all I can say about them is, they vape. LOL
     
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    Agreed, they work but nothing special.
    I should have used my Demon Killers.
     
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    my review is live
     
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    While I liked the K5 best, all of them are on the shelf.
    Great concept but many better options out there.
     
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    LMAO very true. doing a lot of these reviews lately really make me miss using my exo rta, aromamizer plus, aromamizer supreme, and boreas lol
    at least i'm doing a lot of good tanks though. the eco 12, tfv12, and maxo v12 are all pretty dam good
     
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