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Smoky Blue

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Alright, let me try and post up on this.. ;)

Let's take a look at the basic flavor shop..
We are looking for all sweet flavors..

that includes:

the marshmallows
Sweetener
EM (Ethyl Maltol, either liquid or powder) aka Cotton Candy
and...

will add: Ethyl Vanillin Powder.. yeps..

These are the normal sweeteners most use.. agreed?

ok.. your grocery store.. carries.. Agave.. (look for the lightest one.. darker you go, more sugar) get a normal 30ml bottle.. place 10% agave, fill the rest with pg and shake it..

use this by the dropper bottle top.. just like this bottle.

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you may use it like:
1 drop for sweet
2 drops for sweeter
3 drops for sweetest

no more than this.. and this has been approved by Dr Kurt/ Dr F about a year ago to me via pm..
this does cause a bit of controversy, as there are people that would never put this in their juice..
but at this strength, Dr F said that it should pose no harm.

do I use it now? After a year, no.. not even 6 months after that conversation.. ;)
but it could be something you might want to play with.. just remember, no more than 3 drops..

now here comes the secret..

if you have say.. JackFruit.. :) and want to add some marshmallows to it..
here is how I would play with this:

7% JackFruit
2% Toasted Marshmallow
1% Marshmallow
1% Brown Sugar
2% Vanillin

and if I was really crazy on super sweet JackFruit.. 3 drops of agave diluted..

however, I am a firm believer of:

test every single flavor first.. find your spot with them..
then mix 2 flavors.. if it turns out good.. after 1-3 weeks.. add the 3rd.. and same deal.. 1-3 wait..

Making good juice takes time and effort..
it isnt about how many recipes, or hey dump this here..

what would happen, say you made that "good juice" and you had a fade problem a month later?
back to the recipe bin then.. or take my advise, go slow and enjoy your fruits of good juice.

Hope this might help someone, like it did me, way back when I first started..
 
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Hrmm.... Jackfruit and Marshmallows? This sounds familiar! :)
 

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Do you see how it is "layered"??

layering is a good thing.. and using different companies are too..
it brings out the best of it all with a steep.. some do not need the steep, and some only get better..
but this way, there is no high percentage of a flavoring used.

this, is the most helpful bit I can ever pass on to anyone. :)
 

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I only pull my agave out, ONLY if I can NOT achieve the effects I am looking for by using the standard approved sweeteners..
Why? When I first played with this back last summer, I was told no, I can not use it.. No one explained.

I tried it full strength, and boy that sucked! talk on coil crust, holly nasties!! :oops:

so then I got to looking at how others were diluting flavors and I tried..
I liked!! no coil crust.. not much on the cotton I was using either..
I tried to talk about this on FB.. and got mega slammed by a well seasoned mixer..
I then went to my friend Dr Kurt, and pretty much laid out what is here now..
He approved.. said I was getting a "placebo" effect, and to not worry..
I went back to FB and tried to say what he told me, and well.. needless to say, I moved on from there..

I have no regrets, only that I keep running low on flavors :p

but.. this is a "last point" usage.. please take this into consideration.
 

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This also works for other things besides sweeteners ;)
You welcome!
 

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Thanks for this Smoky, as always, you're always awesome.

Honestly though, jackfruit is good all by itself ;-).
 

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Thanks for this Smoky, as always, you're always awesome.

Honestly though, jackfruit is good all by itself ;-).


dunno.. i like it with a lil jack, maybe some Beam.. or Lord Calvert :D
 

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Your post says 1-3 drops, but in what ratio to the rest of the juice? It can't be the same for 2ml as it is for 100ml, right?

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sorry!! that is per 10ml

1-3 drops per 10 ;)
Thank you! I've made a note to pick some up, as I forgot the last two days when I went to the store.
 

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Agave is better for you than the em?
 

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Ethyl Maltol = Cotton candy after 10% usage.. it also tends to mute flavors..

Agave is better for you than the em?

they both have their ups and downs..

it is the "layering" I was trying to show on how to obtain "sweet"

Using Sweetener + EM + Agave is super sweet..

However, if you try this:

use nothing to sweeten your juice, you will find most flavorings are sweet. try for a couple weeks..

then.. add sweetener (up to 2-4%), then EM (up to 1-2%) and try your juice out..
you will find you do not need the agave..
but agave is an option.

Used diluted 1ml to 9ml pg/vg, it can be an ideal sweetener, if you follow the drop method..

like i posted above.. :)
 

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@Smoky Blue, did I get the right one?
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Just kidding, LoL. I made sure I got the light one. It has a delicious taste! I'm about to dilute some now. Thanks again for the advice on this and layering, they should help me greatly!

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@Smoky Blue, did I get the right one?
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Just kidding, LoL. I made sure I got the light one. It has a delicious taste! I'm about to dilute some now. Thanks again for the advice on this and layering, they should help me greatly!

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no worries! will be hanging around somewhere today..
got a ton of stuff to finish off here, mainly cleaning house!
and yeps you got the right one.. just remember to keep it at 1ml to 9ml for a total of 10ml with 1 to 3 drops use, max! :D

when mixed with em and! sweetener.. just watch ;) you will be making magic!
 

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I'm trying to find the molar density for Agave, so I can use my scale to measure... I don't like using volume anymore! LoL
 

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I'm trying to find the molar density for Agave, so I can use my scale to measure... I don't like using volume anymore! LoL


VJ. with this, you are only using drops.. there is no measuring..
use a 30ml bottle.. 3ml's of agave, fill the rest with pg..
then it is just 1-3 drops per 10ml..

i really do not think you want to play with this one by weight. ;)
 

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I just meant to mix up my initial bottle by weight, rather than getting 3ml of Agave into a syringe. I just decided to suck it up and use one. Went with 1.5ml and 13.5ml.
 

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I just meant to mix up my initial bottle by weight, rather than getting 3ml of Agave into a syringe. I just decided to suck it up and use one. Went with 1.5ml and 13.5ml.


shake and vape.. how is it? :p
 

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Initially, not stellar, or even noticeable. I'll report back in time, after they steep some. I mixed up 11 flavors tonight (165ml worth), probably half have agave in them. I let myself get too low on juice, then went on a mixing rampage!
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Now it's time to sleep, wake, and run another day in the rat race! /facepalm
 

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nice!! hmm not noticeable.. :oops:
did you blend it in with the sweetener and em??
you should have noticed something! :D
 

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I have EM, but not the other sweetener. I haven't really tried them a lot yet, my sleep agenda was interrupted.

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I have EM, but not the other sweetener. I haven't really tried them a lot yet, my sleep agenda was interrupted.

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you need to have all 3 so the magic can work ;)
 

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*places an order* LoL

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Which sweetener am I looking for? I know it's one that isn't EM.

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After reading through this thread I'm left wondering why people slammed you for using agave? Seems like a great alternative. But I'm guessing there is something I don't know about agave that is bad if used at higher concentration?!
 

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After reading through this thread I'm left wondering why people slammed you for using agave? Seems like a great alternative. But I'm guessing there is something I don't know about agave that is bad if used at higher concentration?!


I wouldnt use it any higher than what I outlined. Kurt told me what I was doing was alright. anything higher will crust your coils..
I would pick agave over what a local vendor told me.. which was pure table sugar.
This is why I am very hesitant on trying juice from people I do not know.

Still no feeback from @VapingJunkie ahhh it tagged him :p
 

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I wouldnt use it any higher than what I outlined. Kurt told me what I was doing was alright. anything higher will crust your coils..
I would pick agave over what a local vendor told me.. which was pure table sugar.
This is why I am very hesitant on trying juice from people I do not know.

Still no feeback from @VapingJunkie ahhh it tagged him :p

So the only concern is gunked up coils?? Not that anyone likes that but just making sure there isn't anything else to worry about. Thanks for all the info!
 

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there is nothing else.. i'd treat it like the sweetener it's meant to be ;)
 

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