I just started to realize that, yes, the TFV8's deca coils are delicious and so far are the top cloud chaer coils on the market yet, the V8-T8 octuplets aren't really much weaker in the flavor and vapor production at all. I notice the clouds are more insane than insane cloud amounts can ever be, but the eliquid needs filling every 3 vape hits. I use a lower wattage and not usually more than 170W on soft mode but it's fun to try but dont buy a pack of them. I would get a single coil if you have extra 7 bucks and even take it out after you think your liquid supply is running low too quickly. I dont mind using liquod but filling over and over again is not fun. I got a good 7 or 8 big hits though with short fire button presses, off an octuplet before and I'm sticking with those and V8-Q4 coils. Those last and are impressive performers if you have an older mod or a dual battery mod without strong enough batteries. They are just right for most casual vapers so dont dismiss the cloud beast turbo v8 coils nust try those. Anyway, i dont suggest buying the deca coils at all. Just use the V8T8s or try them if you havent because they are better to vape consecutively, can be enjoyed at 130W and will blow dripping into the stone age if you know how to cloud chase. Just dont waste your money, liquid, or time when the v8t8s are too similar and I may even say theyre gonna give the same experience,overall. I dont believe the absolute max wattage though not in the sweet spot range wont fry the coils so think 160W range as a sweet spot or 142W on the v8t8s. Dont be intimidated by the fact theyre the best or one of the best. Stick to octuplet v8 coils. That's my real review and its a thimbs down on the deca coils.