Vaping helps asthma!??

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  1. Purpl3D3ath

    Purpl3D3ath New Member

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    Here lately the outdoors has been making my chest so tight that I can barely breathe. When this happens I take a few good draws from my vape and I'm good... I guess that the vapor is taking the pollen out with it? Does anyone know anything about this?
     
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    My nose is less stuffy when I vape. Not sure if that is what you are looking for.
     
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    Not sure if vaping directly helps asthma but I have (or rather had) chronic bronchitis (or so I was told by the doctor I saw). I was "diagnosed" with it last November. Back then I was a pack a day smoker and also dual used (I'd vape to try to get myself to quit). Since January of this year I dual used all the way up to August 1. I was also on Advair 250/50 twice a day and have a rescue inhaler I take around with me.

    Since August 1st I've been 100% vape. Over the last 48-50 days I have really felt my lungs clear up and could feel myself breathing better to the point that I felt it was time to get myself off Advair because that stuff scares the hell out of me. I started off with just 1 dose a day from the advair and using my rescue inhaler where I needed to; I did that for about 3 weeks. Over the past week I've cut the advair out completely and using the rescue inhaler as needed.

    I know my body is still getting all the advair out of it and its going to take a while before things return to normal for me (the days before I had to use those inhalers). Right now, when I wake up first thing my chest feels a little tight. A few deep breaths and it helps that out. However, when I hit my vape first thing in the morning, I can feel what you're feeling. Suddenly my airway opens up after the first hit and everything is fine for the rest of the day lol.

    So does it help asthma? Not sure on that part lol. But I can certainly tell you that vaping has helped my lungs heal from what I was putting them through with cigarettes. It really feels nice coming off those inhaled steroids....
     
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    Been using Ventolin inhaler for years and have stopped doing so.
    I don't think vaping helps, I think it's the not smoking part that does.
     
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    I use Spiriva, with both this medicine and vaping instead of smoking , my breathing has improved big time, so says my doctor too.
     
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    All that is great to see. :)

    People that know me constantly comment about how different it is to be around me now. I literally coughed my way through the day. And wheezed and gurgled through the night.

    All that is gone now.
     
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    If one has never smoked, no, vaping is not good for asthma. Although pg is an ingredient in asthma inhalers, it merely acts as a "carrier" to work the medication into the lungs. There is no "combustion factor" and no vapor involved as there is with vaping. Asthmatic lungs do not process the vapor produced by a PV and it can be harmful. My husband has been critically asthmatic since birth, never smoked, and vaping is a no-no. I'd love to be able to whip up some kind of juice that would have a medicinal effect on his lungs and help him, but haven't found a means thus far.
     
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    That might be due to the PG As PG has a drying effect.
     
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    Glad you posted this, excellent post indeed!
     
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    I'd certainly rather post it as an opinion, but unfortunately we know this from experience and sound medical advice. The hubby did talk me into fixing him a vape without nicotine once (against my own advice) and it felt heavy in his lungs, he couldn't take it. A few days later he did end up hospitalized again (not because of the vape, we just have to deal with that sort of thing with his condition), and his lung specialist said to NEVER introduce unnecessary moisture into his lungs. He isn't even advised to take a hot shower with the bathroom door shut. Prolonged exposure to the steam will close off his lungs. :(
     
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    I don't have Asthma. I know vaping gives me the will to work my lungs more than not. I can't run so I have no way to work my lungs hard. Cloud Chasing gives me that work out. Now I am re learning to play the Trumpet. Air Power Rocks! :)
     
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    Vaping saved My life. Fuck what anyone else says. I am blunt. My lungs are tip top. I couldn't blow out a match 2 years ago. Way it is:cool:
     
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    They hate it when we are healthy & can't shove pills down our gullet. No $$ There. :cool:
     
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    I over inflate the shit out of my lungs. Just because I can. They shut down once. Woke up in bed, Said to myself, you will be dead in 5 minutes. Looks like this is it. Good reason to stop smoking. Starting to be dead will freak you out. :cool:
     
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    There is no Dude in a robe, no bells, just Oh Shit. :(
     
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    If its north of Amarillo, go get it yourself. Had 2 Snow Cats frozen to the trailer in Edmonton Canada. Nope no mas!
     
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    I know caffeine helps with opening airways. I think the nic in vape does the same being a stimulant and also affederin is in noise spray also a stimulant.

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    I always have nose spray. I have Caffeine but don't need it much. I don't joke when I thought I was dying. Doctor said next day if I had got there 2 hours later my Biz Cards would be made out of Granite. :(
     
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    Piff ya still had time for dinner n a movie. Lol jk glad your not feeding worms and all that.
     
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    All the TV shows dramatize this, but the fact is, you just go Oh Shit. Or I do. It's not a good thing, not a bad thing, It's just a thing. Have all the fun everyday, every night, cause it's coming. If it don't harm anyone else, I'm going to do it. I'm not into drugs, not Gay, about everything else is open. :cool:
     
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    I have asthema and I dont use my inhaler anymore I vape most of the day and it opens my aairways and ive never been a smoker so for me its nice honestly I do have a rescue inhaler I use if needed which is never really
     
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    I wish that would work for him, I really do, as just one of the steroid inhalers he needs is around $400 a month. You must have a different type of asthma because most critical asthmatics cannot tolerate or process the moisture. Too much steam from a hot shower smothers the husband to death.
     
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    When I started vaping, anything more than 20% vg would make my chest heavy and gave me asthma-like symptoms. After vaping mostly pg liquid for some time, even heavy vg liquid causes me no problems. I either developed a tolerance or my lungs healed somewhat.

    Perhaps lightly hitting a pg heavy liquid might help. I hope you can find a way to get him some relief.
     
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    That would be amazing if possible. We spend over a fourth of our income on medication.
     
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    Yeah mines weirdo cold air helps me in the winter time to get air into my lungs better I havent tried the vaping + winter combination yet tho
     
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    You know, if you think about it, inhalers are vapes without the heat. I ponder over making a liquid with steroid pills in some way, suspend it in pg and make a steroid inhaler with a vape? But there's still the moisture....I'll figure it out, the steroid tablets are dirt cheap but once they grind them up and turn them into a mist the price goes up around 1000%. If the pills could be liquefied for his nebulizer even....hmm....
     
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    Well hot damn that's alot of money
     
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    Especially when you don't make a lot. ;)
     
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    Vaping puts slight moisture into your lungs and in turn helps clear them out of pollutants faster than if you had just quit smoking without vaping. If that makes sense to you. :)
     
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    You got the link?
     
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    Haven't had a chance to read the rest of the comments so far(just got off work and am lazy as [email protected]#).
    Here are my thoughts(not backed by some but not all factual information, Mostly inferential and aggregated presumption): Some studies show that nicotine triggers a small level of epinephrine to enter the bloodstream while also constricting blood vessels, raising blood pressure, and other sciene-y things. If you feel 'buzzed' from vaping that's probably not indicative that it necessarily helps asthma, you might just be enjoying the kick. On the other hand, If one is feeling stuffed from allergies and the like, a group of particulates from the liquid could soften mucus in your airways while stimulating said airways at the same time. This, to me, doesn't feel so different from how I feel after I've taken a hot shower and realize I can breathe more easily without so many obstructions in my nose and back of throat. To summarize, I don't necessarily think vaping helps asthma or makes it any worse, but it could make breathing through one's nose much easier.
     
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    That is amazing if vaping can help asthma and other respiratory conditions. Is there any particular chemical that clears things up?
     
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    Vaping doesn't help with asthma; not smoking does. I have read many, many posts by vapers who are severely asthmatic. It's harder for many of them to vape than smoke cigarettes...
     
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    Same here.
     
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    I'm not positive on the effects but I do know pg is in inhalers, nebulizers etc and vg is used in many things and one of the reason I know is because of it's healing properties, don't quote me on that but it gives a new search topic for you to do research with
     
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    Really? PG is in inhalers? Which brands?
     
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    Interesting that a fairly thorough search has found the claim that PG is such an ingredient
    numerous times in different vape related forums, but never a mention of which.

    I haven't scrolled up to read the premise of the OP
    but I personally believe from personal experience that indeed
    both PG and VG act as expectorants when inhaled and thus help asthmatics.
    The mucus in the bronchials gets softened with every inhale.

    While looking around for the answer to your question, which inhalers.
    I came across some interesting information that supports my premise or at least is relative.
    http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/91/1/52.abstract

    This from 1942,
    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932876,00.html

    and this from where the above info came, I'll post link at the end:
    Propylene glycol, the primary ingredient in the electronic cigarette cartridge, may be a powerful deterrent against pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases when vaporized and inhaled according to a study by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson. Decades before the e cigarette was invented, a study was conducted by Dr. Robertson of the University of Chicago's Billings Hospital in 1942 on inhalation of vaporized propylene glycol in laboratory mice. A more in-depth article was printed in the 1942 issue of TIME Magazine http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932876,00.html for November 16th. "Dr. Robertson placed groups of mice in a chamber and sprayed its air first with propylene glycol, then with influenza virus. All the mice lived. Then he sprayed the chamber with virus alone. All the mice died."

    The researchers also found that "the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would--within a few seconds--kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot."
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/20...s-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
     
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    I have researched this vaping myth before and have never found PG listed as an ingredient in asthma inhalers...
    PG is also an ingredient in Petri dish media, which is used to grow bacteria...
    My friend Petu'lka has bad asthma and has tried vaping, which makes it worse. I don't even vape around her, because it exasperates her asthma...PG and VG are respiratory irritants. Look at all the vapers who claim to be allergic to either...
     
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    I suppose it varies with person because again, I have asthma and find it helps me clear my bronchials.
    The 1942 research where the mist is shown to be a bacteriacide is still valid.
    Bacteria is typically grown in potato agar agar though I suppose some could be made from PG or VG.

    But sure some people are allergic to one or the other.
    I looked for the ingredients of several popular and prescription asthma inhalers including a couple of mine
    and found lot's of stuff, mostly albuterol or epinephrine and ethanol but no PG.
    PG and or VG are the base for several soaps, creams and other similar items and I'm sure I could find some examples
     
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    Man I hate that pix of the guy with the kid and cigs..
    Great article.
    propylene glycol-induced hyperosmolality and lactic acidosis...interesting
    The part about PG doesn't mention anything about it being a "carrier" in inhalers
    in hospitals or prescription inhalers. The propellant listed in all the ones I looked at aren't made with PG, and the main carrier used in hospitals for both IV's and inhalants is saline..
    but yea, it seems PG has all kind of possible nasty side effects.

    What does that have to do with whether it helps asthmatics breathe?
    The OP's premise and thereon is that vaping helps one breath better.
    It has been posited that since instead of smoking one vapes is a variable to be considered.
    But the main hypothesis is that vaping in and of it self helps asthmatics and may act as a bacteriacide.

    Okay, it's a double edge sword. But I'd rather have lactic acidosis and a rash
    than not be able to breathe.
     
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    I have read the studies about tests and suggestions for use in ventilation stpystems, but found no evidence it was ever in practice.
    The agar I was looking at us called Rambach agar, which is typically used to grow salmonella....
     
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    That Rambach agar is used to test for salmonella but the PG is only a vehicle for the powder agar
    mixed in with other goodies.
    [​IMG]

    See where the PG is only supplemental to the Rambach?
    What makes it a good medium for growing salmonella isn't the PG it's the
    Peptone and yeast extract mixed in with the agar, the 10ml per liter is just the carrier.
    If you take out the agar, peptone and yeast you won't grow salmonella in the PG.

    But I still can't find anything saying PG is used in asthma inhalers either prescription or
    in hospital. I believe that assertion by the vapor industry is bogus.
     
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