Straight off the El-Pee.
You cannot go wrong with the classics.
You cannot go wrong with the classics.
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Yeah, I notice that's a big issue with electronic music. Replicatable styles can be problematic. It's not interesting when everything sounds the same. Reminds me of when the djent genome was cracked and everything coming out started sounding the same. This is the stuff that kills genres for me. The idea behind interesting music is that it challenges you a bit... ...it presents you with something familiar and does something with it that you don't expect. The best experiences I've ever had with music involved things I had never heard before. The goal is to have that experience as often as possible.@robot zombie yeah man its tiring for sure. igorrr was my intro to the genre and i really like what he does with the piano and contrast...but the more i delve into it, the more i realize they are all doing the same thing and that there are only a few bands that you can tell apart from the people just following the directions on the box. there is a bit of range from djenty/grindcore to a more mellow ambient feel, but they all kinda still sound the same. i have a feeling its mostly software. the same thing happens in graphics. a fancy plugin will come out for photoshop or after effects, and for the next year every commercial looks the same (using the first preset usually lol).
Straight off the El-Pee.
You cannot go wrong with the classics.
Haha, funny you should say those things. I've been feeling similarly about it since then. I still think it sounds nice and will gladly sit through a track or two, but I agree, it's objectively very rudimentary. Some people would call it "minimalist" which I don't disagree with, though it's more "basic" than anything else. You'd think someone with the capacity to do more with those sounds naturally would... ...makes ya wonder.
Pretty much anybody with a basic sense of how music works and two good ears could sit in a room with some nice equipment and make something like it if given enough time to work it out.
I don't think that music necessarily needs to have substance to be enjoyable, though. Really depends on what yer up for. There is art and then there is entertainment. And there is stuff that has both components. There's junk food and then there's fine cuisine. It would be stupid to say that any candy bar could ever be better than a fillet mignon. They're not even comparable. Junk food is unsatisfying as a meal, but sometimes you just wanna have a snack. You know it's bad for you, but it tastes good and comes in a pretty package. Not too many people waste fillet mignon on snack time... ...they save it for dinner.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's wise to get obsessed with junk food, either. You ain't really living if that's all you eat.
Haha, that's just life in general ain't it? It's pretty much the only option
I hear you though. It's so simple, but definitely something I tend to forget. Leave it to Hypno to keep it real as fuck. I know that there are many things we don't agree on, but I always appreciate the perspective you bring to the table. Always makes think... ...or more, it makes me remember to stop doing that so much from time to time.
Sometimes you just gotta shut up and play... ...just kinda say "fuck it" and see what happens.
I'm pretty sure that's what these guys were doing when they made a two-part album like this.
Eh, I think if you're just a guy with a mac in his mommas house and that's just what you do for fun, then more power to ya... ...but you should probably at least get your own place. The idea is that you don't quit your day job unless the money is coming in. That image of someone trying to "make it" from their bedroom in their parent's house is pretty lame. I've met a few people like this who think they're hot shit, but really their music is just passable and they ain't got nothing going on... ...no listeners outside of their own circle of people.
There are definitely times when you have to stop and assess what the fuck it is you're really doing and why. If your head isn't in it, then you have to check where your heart is at.
I dunno, there are all sorts of people out there. If you just wanna make music in your bedroom and put some of it out there, that's cool. As long as you know where you're at, bills are paid, and that's all you really wanna do with it. The lifestyle isn't for everyone. For some, it's merely another way of enjoying music.
But if you truly want to make music as a full time job and know you can pull it off, then something is very wrong if you aren't doing everything you can to make that a reality. You gotta play some real moves and start taking some risks.
Yep, I think you understand that not every badass will be able to make a living playing.Ex-fuckin-actly. If you're not enjoying playing music, then why bother? Just because you aren't successful doesn't mean you can't still be passionate. If you are neither, then you're just sad... ...and probably very tired. You don't do it for just fame or recognition - just to say that you are an artist. That's setting yourself up for disappointment.
If you make it, then that's fuckin' awesome and you probably deserve it! You get to subsist off of what you love. But if not, that doesn't mean it's over. What do you do then, stop making music? If you really love it, then it's just business as usual... ...which is having fun doing what you love. To be able to wake up every day and do what you love is living the dream. Everything else is the bonus round.
And besides, in order to make music that people will relate to and allow into their headscapes, it has to mean something to you. Everything else is a waste of time. Assume that nobody gives a fuck about what you do. The real question to ask yourself at that point is "Do I?"
I sometimes wonder if the best artists who've ever lived are not known by more than a handful of people... ...like they're just regular people who really love what they do and devote themselves to it completely. I dunno, it would make sense to me that the best artists do it purely for the love of their craft. I could see there being some badass motherfuckers out there who'd rather not let the pursuit of recognition take them away from their art.
But then, maybe it's the ones who most put their noses to the grindstone and do things they don't like for the sake of things they do who have the most passion. They take their passion and use it as a means to surpass themselves as individuals. That is pretty amazing in its own right... ...the sacrifices people will make for their love are incredible.
Who's to say who's better off? Personally, I'd say that they've both made it out just fine.
I think that the golden rule for all artists... ...the ultimate endgame... ...is to create a space where you can live and freely make exactly the art that you envision. That's what its all about: getting as close to your art as possible... ...and through that, getting closer to what is most important to you.
There are many ways to go about making that a reality. A failed artist is simply one who either hasn't found their happy place as an artist or perhaps forgot to look for it. All of the recognition in the world can't save you from being miserable if your heart isn't in it. That's when you have to really ask yourself "Why? Why am I doing this? What made me want to start doing this?" You go from there and see where it takes you. It's all just part of the journey.
Found this super-weird shit the other day and it blew my fuckin' mind. What this guy understands very, very intimately are sounds and textures. All of his mixes are so detailed and perfectly spread out. They are simultaneously dense and spacious - just pristinely vibrant. I think he's brilliant in the way that he seamlessly blends all of these crazy and exotic elements together in dynamic, living and breathing atmospheres. He makes it so that you are constantly uncovering new things on top of new things. It's got this enveloping sort of feel to it, like the music itself is a space for you to inhabit.
This album sucked me right in and took me on a ride right from the get go. Best headphone listening experience I've had in a good while. By the time it was over, I didn't even feel like the same person anymore. There was something spiritual about it. Definitely one of those "headphones-on, eyes-closed." type of deals. It's more than just a bunch of nice sounds to me - it has something that the purely nice-sounding stuff doesn't. Most is interesting, but not good. This, OTOH has juju... ...mojo.
I dunno, it's just bananas to me. Highly recommend that anybody who's up for something really strange and different go listen to Vapor on his bandcamp.
I agree.Yeah, I notice that's a big issue with electronic music. Replicatable styles can be problematic. It's not interesting when everything sounds the same. Reminds me of when the djent genome was cracked and everything coming out started sounding the same. This is the stuff that kills genres for me. The idea behind interesting music is that it challenges you a bit... ...it presents you with something familiar and does something with it that you don't expect. The best experiences I've ever had with music involved things I had never heard before. The goal is to have that experience as often as possible.
This is why I can't do House music. To me, it's just a million variations of bmm-tss bmm-tss bmm-tss. What it is missing for me is a sense of completeness. What I hear is a skeleton of a finished song. Where's the rest?
That being said, I think it's fine to cop styles... ...heavily, even. You just have to do something with it that only you can do. There has to be a palpable sense of identity... ...things happening amidst the formula that only you would think to do. Otherwise, there no real reason for anybody to listen to you over the hundreds of others doing the exact same thing. It's like, "Congratulations you've created a [genre] song. But why did this need to exist?"
I think some artists just get too obsessed with the music they like. They boil it all down and focus so much on bringing all of the same attributes to their music that there's no room for unique ideas in their process. I see it as a sign of inexperience... ...that or creative stagnation. What do you do when you have skill, but no ideas?
That's just me, though. For some people, the structure and melodic content are arbitrary compared to the aesthetic of the music. They want it to sound like what they know. It just has to have "that" sound for them to feel it. It's all about hype. You know what's coming and you get excited about it.
Some people are expanders and others are refiners. I can go for either approach depending on my mood. Sometimes it's nice to know what you're in for... ...having stuff you can get hyped over is good. But when I want to discover, I tend to avoid the heavily-formulaic stuff. I just feel like there's not a whole lot for me there. It's like reading a prologue that completely spoils the whole book and makes it so you don't have to read the book anymore.
I say all of this as I'm listening to one of the most easily emulated genres of music out there.
Good Band!