CLOSED- Debate Invitation to ECF Troublemakers

[The Cromwell]

I am not afraid to say that I believe that this life is all we are guaranteed to have and we should make the most of it.

 

[pcrdude]

PCR has promised us that he will unequivocally prove that atheism is illogical. But since he made that challenge he shifted to trying to define "levels of atheism" (whatever that is) and force atheists like me to defend them. So, a challenge followed by a straw man dodge.

Well you missed it again. Go back to the "levels", and decide (honestly) if you are a strong atheist, of a strong agnostic.

Here, I'll spell it out for you:

The former believes there is no deity because there is no empiracle evidence of such a thing..The strong agnostic believes that there isn't a deity, but isn't strong enough in his faith to be sure in his believe.

You are one of the other. I presume the former pretending to be the latter so as to avoid Popper's falsifiabiity....

Right?

coward

 

[haleysdadda]

for you....there are tons of people with twice your IQ that would disagree.and their experince is diffrent than yours so apparently it's not just simply a matter of "stupid"......besides I could introduce you to a ton of aethiests that are as stupid as a bag of hammers......by the way you do realize it was the churches that created the first public hospitals and universities. right.

FOUL! Facts not in evidence! You have no idea what the Vaping Godess Andria's IQ is! And you must live somewhere not where I am because living in Cali I've seen alot & met alot of people & I don't think I've ever met an atheist! Where are they all hiding? To hear some of you talk you'd think they are everywhere! As long as you don't try to force your beliefs or lifestyle on me we'll be fine! Because I sure as hell won't force my shit on you! See to me that is basic respect for another human being no matter what their station in life! WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYBODY THINK THEIR BELIEFS ARE RIGHT TO THE POINT OF FIGHTING ABOUT IT & ACTUALLY AT TIMES KILLING EACH OTHER! I COULDN'T GIVE 2 SHITS ABOUT WHAT YOU DO OR DON'T BELIEVE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT MY FAMILY OR MYSELF! THIS ISN'T A DEBATE PEOPLE! CALLING PEOPLE STUPID & SUCH IS CHILDISH & CAUSES ME TO STOP READING SO IF YOU DO HAVE A VALID POINT IT IS LOST TO ME!

 

[pulsevape]

FOUL! Facts not in evidence! You have no idea what the Vaping Godess Andria's IQ is! And you must live somewhere not where I am because living in Cali I've seen alot & met alot of people & I don't think I've ever met an atheist! Where are they all hiding? To hear some of you talk you'd think they are everywhere! As long as you don't try to force your beliefs or lifestyle on me we'll be fine! Because I sure as hell won't force my shit on you! See to me that is basic respect for another human being no matter what their station in life! WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYBODY THINK THEIR BELIEFS ARE RIGHT TO THE POINT OF FIGHTING ABOUT IT & ACTUALLY AT TIMES KILLING EACH OTHER! I COULDN'T GIVE 2 SHITS ABOUT WHAT YOU DO OR DON'T BELIEVE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT MY FAMILY OR MYSELF! THIS ISN'T A DEBATE PEOPLE! CALLING PEOPLE STUPID & SUCH IS CHILDISH & CAUSES ME TO STOP READING SO IF YOU DO HAVE A VALID POINT IT IS LOST TO ME!

aiiiiee chiquaqua

 

[haleysdadda]

Nope, don't remember that.
As I said plenty of assholes around all thru human history.

that would bother me personally if I were human.

That's exactly why I know I'm a mutant!

Ohh sounds just like the battle of Jericho.
If I remember correctly God even ordered them to kill all the animals as well.

Is it just me, or is Holy War an oxy moron?

 

[haleysdadda]

aiiiiee chiquaqua

HUH?

 

[USMCotaku]

I wasn't raised in any religon I was free to go or not go ....my parents didn't attend any church I grew up close to lot of American Indians and no white or hispanic person I grew up with disrespected their religous beliefs....one of the things I've noticed about some people who are aethists.is they are not merely indiffrent to other peoples religons they are actively hostile, and that hostility comes from not some intellectual ephiany but it is the baggage of childhood resentments committed against them as kids....mean priest or punishing nun or stupid sunday school teacher...they just can't get past those experinces and aren't able to hear or see past those experinces, they are not open they are trapped in a time and place long ago.....of course this doesn't include all aethists,but it is something I've come across often in life.

Most atheists I've encountered.....one would never know they were, until someone comes along and tries to cram some doctrine down their throats.

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping

 

[pulsevape]

Most atheists I've encountered.....one would never know they were, until someone comes along and tries to cram some doctrine down their throats.

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping

I wish I had been so lucky...but then I've lived in one of the most liberal places in America and bashing religons especially Christanity is as common gluten intolerance.

 

[Untamed Rose]

Oh no the majority bashing card.... poor majority not always getting your way. Damn that constitution!

 

[The Cromwell]

One must be persecuted....

 

[Zamazam]

I wish I had been so lucky...but then I've lived in one of the most liberal places in America and bashing religons especially Christanity is as common gluten intolerance.

Or avoiding work because of a syndrome so you can collect benefits.

 

[Untamed Rose]

Well you missed it again. Go back to the "levels", and decide (honestly) if you are a strong atheist, of a strong agnostic.

Here, I'll spell it out for you:

The former believes there is no deity because there is no empiracle evidence of such a thing..The strong agnostic believes that there isn't a deity, but isn't strong enough in his faith to be sure in his believe.

You are one of the other. I presume the former pretending to be the latter so as to avoid Popper's falsifiabiity....

Right?

coward

Umm PCR did you have actual debate point? Cause this isnt one...

 

[pulsevape]

One must be persecuted....

Oh though no doubt there are loonies like that for the most part it' just small minded boorish dolts.

 

[pulsevape]

Or avoiding work because of a syndrome so you can collect benefits.

damn my trusting nature.

 

[pulsevape]

Oh no the majority bashing card.... poor majority not always getting your way. Damn that constitution!

................it doesn't matter who does it,being part of a minority does not keep you from being a boorish dolt.

 

[Untamed Rose]

Most atheists I've encountered.....one would never know they were, until someone comes along and tries to cram some doctrine down their throats.

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping

Thats my experience... known folks for years before the oh you're an "" conversation. Perhaps it's just jerks get jerk responses... regardless of religinon. Bring out what they deserve in folks so to speak.

 

[Untamed Rose]

................it doesn't matter who does it

Darling you're not winning this "debate" no matter what your mama told you. Lost like 12 pages ago. Best move really is to tuck tail cause your looking silly at this point.

But no do come back with some insult that makes your IQ look lower.

 

[pulsevape]

darling?....damn now I have to go take another shower..............maybe you should come back when ecf finally does boot you out.

 

[Untamed Rose]

How Does surrounding yourself with people you agree with make you learn or grow at all. Two best way to learn...Teach, or be challenged on something... defending a solid position. Will make you look it up, you learn the facts the numbers and ya if your wrong it's going to show.

Resolve least a real one is secondary at least at the random online forum stage. ... more personal growth is the target. Bombs for the insane inlaw?

Debate debating.
Does it resolve anything?
How many change their viewpoints based on the debate?

Spent years on political forums and the end was the same as the beginning.

 

[Untamed Rose]

darling?....damn now I have to go take another shower..............maybe you should come back when ecf finally does boot you out.

My sweet lovey gummy jelly bean.... I just wanna hug you your wit is just mind blowing

 

[pulsevape]

How Does surrounding yourself with people you agree with make you learn or grow at all. Two best way to learn...Teach, or be challenged on something... defending a solid position. Will make you look it up, you learn the facts the numbers and ya if your wrong it's going to show.

Resolve least a real one is secondary at least at the random online forum stage. ... more personal growth is the target. Bombs for the insane inlaw?

Gotta say I find this ludirous coming from you Rose...when you were a mod at ecf you censored and banned people who challenged you at the drop of a hat...perhaps you are not the best person to offer advice in this particular arena.

 

[Untamed Rose]

Gotta say I find this ludirous coming from you Rose...when you were a mod at ecf you censored and banned people who challenged you at the drop of a hat...perhaps you are not the best person to offer advice in this particular arena.

Not really factual, debate points 0

 

[pulsevape]

Not really factual, debate points 0

real factual.

 

[Untamed Rose]

But not facts...to back up... Darling look I'm a 32 year USN veteran, married my HS sweet heart despite both of us traveling the world first, have two kids...I'm an artist spend most of my time melting glass, or cutting stain glass or throwing pottery or electroforming....and when not do that stuff. I'm messing with my fish tanks.
Back when I was hard core ECF it was mostly about PIF....pay it forward..when back when I was modding was a great group. Thats me...Im not perfect but I love my hubby, kids and art thats me...

Whatever evil drama you have in head about me...is in your head not facts

And still off topic actual debate points 0

 

[Untamed Rose]

Thought will say I do love actual debate ...these bullshit insults are not an actual argument.

 

[pulsevape]

But not facts...to back up... Darling look I'm a 32 year USN veteran, married my HS sweet heart despite both of us traveling the world first, have two kids...I'm an artist spend most of my time melting glass, or cutting stain glass or throwing pottery or electroforming....and when not do that stuff. I'm messing with my fish tanks.
Back when I was hard core ECF it was mostly about PIF....pay it forward..when back when I was modding was a great group. Thats me...Im not perfect but I love my hubby, kids and art thats me...

Whatever evil drama you have in head about me...is in your head not facts

And still off topic actual debate points 0

 

[justincase]

There are MANY who define "atheism" as the belief there is no deity, and agnotsic spectrum where varying levels of "maybe" live. I don't like the term "weak atheist", since it's kinda like sayin "almost pregnant"

ARE YOU A STRONG ATHEIST???

There may be 'many' who define atheism as a belief, but I can assure you they are
A) not an atheist
B) ignorant
C) both

Atheism, by definition, is LACK of belief.

 

[justincase]

Maybe this will help you see the absurdity of your 'levels'......

When it comes to Zeus, where do you see yourself on that sliding scale?
Weak or strong?
How about Santa? Leprechauns? Fairies? Unicorns?

Maybe I am assuming things when I shouldn't...... Perhaps you believe in some of those?
I, for one, don't believe in any of them.
It isn't a strong disbelief or a weak disbelief.
It is just disbelief.

 

[The Cromwell]

Thought will say I do love actual debate ...these bullshit insults are not an actual argument.

Religion and politics are both faith based and therefore not really debateable.

 

[haleysdadda]

Ok all you theists & non-theists lets talk about something based in fact! I believe that the tests for citizenship, drivers license, & all other state & federal documents should be printed in English only! Although I respect a persons right to speak any language they choose I firmly believe they should be able to understand & speak the primary (official) language of this country if they choose to live & work here & especially if they CHOOSE to be a citizen! If you all agree with me on this then let's debate how we let the status quo happen!

 

[pulsevape]

Religion and politics are both faith based and therefore not really debateable.

I agree with you on spiritual matters it is pointless to debate them, but wonderful to discuss them.... On politics I disagree they should be rigerously debated,however there comes a point when in political life there is no common ground and people have to make a choice.

 

[pulsevape]

Ok all you theists & non-theists lets talk about something based in fact! I believe that the tests for citizenship, drivers license, & all other state & federal documents should be printed in English only! Although I respect a persons right to speak any language they choose I firmly believe they should be able to understand & speak the primary (official) language of this country if they choose to live & work here & especially if they CHOOSE to be a citizen! If you all agree with me on this then let's debate how we let the status quo happen!

Amerija haf bean berry berry goo for me.

 

[haleysdadda]

Amerija haf bean berry berry goo for me.

SERIOUSLY?! Although I appreciate the humor! Are we going straight to that? What's that stupid saying? A battle of wits with an unarmed man!

 

[pcrdude]

Umm PCR did you have actual debate point? Cause this isnt one...

We'll get there if he's brave enough.....

 

[pcrdude]

Maybe this will help you see the absurdity of your 'levels'......

When it comes to Zeus, where do you see yourself on that sliding scale?
Weak or strong?
How about Santa? Leprechauns? Fairies? Unicorns?

Maybe I am assuming things when I shouldn't...... Perhaps you believe in some of those?
I, for one, don't believe in any of them.
It isn't a strong disbelief or a weak disbelief.
It is just disbelief.

Ahh, I was wondering when the unicorn argument would appear...



If one has faith in unicorns, cool. If one doesn't believe in unicorns, cool also. If one say's there are no unicorns, that isn't science.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/living/real-unicorn-remains/

 

[always9988]

Ok all you theists & non-theists lets talk about something based in fact! I believe that the tests for citizenship, drivers license, & all other state & federal documents should be printed in English only! Although I respect a persons right to speak any language they choose I firmly believe they should be able to understand & speak the primary (official) language of this country if they choose to live & work here & especially if they CHOOSE to be a citizen! If you all agree with me on this then let's debate how we let the status quo happen!

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree to some extent. My relatives came from Italy and Ireland and they had to learn English to make it here. However, I also feel there should be some type of help available to learn it. Teaching my 6 year old to read and understand all the strange nuances of American English has shown me just how fucked up and hard to understand it can be

 

[justincase]

Well, I have never met an atheist who say's there is no god(s).
Most you'll get is there is no evidence for god(s).


Suppose you have a link to some credible scientific evidence that proves otherwise?

 

[pulsevape]

SERIOUSLY?! Although I appreciate the humor! Are we going straight to that? What's that stupid saying? A battle of wits with an unarmed man!

lighten up...this isn't congress our sharing of opinions isn't going to change the course of histroy or decide legislation ...we're a bunch of shmucks kicking a ball around.

 

[haleysdadda]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree to some extent. My relatives came from Italy and Ireland and they had to learn English to make it here. However, I also feel there should be some type of help available to learn it. Teaching my 6 year old to read and understand all the strange nuances of American English has shown me just how fucked up and hard to understand it can be

We are on the same page! Spend the money it costs to print the tests & books in a bunch of different languages & use it to teach people English

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

No, it is not, because unlike cigarette smoking, those things are detrimental only when consumed in excess, or by those with cxertain medical conditions. And really, the same is true of alcohol -- 90% pf the population can consume it and not lose their minds; just because the other 10% cannot, is not a reason to tax it excessively.

Andria

Well said Andria!

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

I like my Red meat Rare, with a side of au jus

I want to have to stab my steak to keep it from running away. If it doesn't bleed when I cut it, it is too well done.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

I simply don't see it as being any of gov't business, what we eat, drink, or otherwise consume. The purpose of the FDA and USDA is to PREVENT bad things being present, and to provide proper labelling and identification of contents. At that point, it's up to US. If we eat stupidly, we suffer ill health. If we eat wisely, we'll enjoy better health, but not all ill health conditions -- including and perhaps especially cancer -- are because of what we eat, drink, or otherwise consume. It's a fact that nobody really understands the exact causes of cancer, or it would have been licked by now -- we know some things that contribute to a potential for it, and avoiding or lessening those things can go a long way to preventing it -- but when you consider that probably the baseline cause of ANY cancer is a malfunction in the DNA... there's just no way to prevent EVERYTHING that could cause damage to DNA -- some of those damages are in-born.

Living on a planet bathed in solar radiation means that cancer is a perpetual risk. Without that solar radiation, there is no life at all.

Andria

I agree. I don't think it is ANYONE'S, least of all the government's, business what we decide to put into our bodies.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

I'm sure there are reasoned arguments for avoiding "processed" meats, and a lot of other foods... but it's not up to the gov't to impose their views on the citizens; it's up to the citizens to make wise choices. A good example is the recent discovery that eating a very low-fat diet is not necessarily the Manna from Heaven it's been portrayed to be -- the gov't, public health, even doctors, can be WRONG. Just look at all the idiot doctors saying that vaping is just as bad as smoking. It is simply not gov't job to decide what is good for us, and make sure we stick to it -- they are not our parents, and we are not children.

Andria

I went on a rant on Facebook about a "public service announcement" by Cuomo's Dr. Sister. She is a lying cunt who was passing off bullshit propaganda.

I'll see if I can find the link and edit it in.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/15/e...-cuomos-sister-for-huffpo-video-about-e-cigs/

 

[pulsevape]

We are on the same page! Spend the money it costs to print the tests & books in a bunch of different languages & use it to teach people English

there are 112 languages spoken in the SF bay area...which ever ethnic enclave delivers the most votes for the DNC gets the resources the rest suck it up,and get busy.
Persoanlly if I emigrated to a country I wouldn't feel entitled to take the wealth of the taxpayers to educate me...

 

[Surf Monkey]

Well you missed it again. Go back to the "levels", and decide (honestly) if you are a strong atheist, of a strong agnostic.

Here, I'll spell it out for you:

The former believes there is no deity because there is no empiracle evidence of such a thing..The strong agnostic believes that there isn't a deity, but isn't strong enough in his faith to be sure in his believe.

You are one of the other. I presume the former pretending to be the latter so as to avoid Popper's falsifiabiity....

Right?

coward

Still not a coward and still uninterested in indulging your straw man.

You're about the worst debater I've encountered so far. Lots of bluster but no weight.

 

[Surf Monkey]

There are MANY who define "atheism" as the belief there is no deity, and agnotsic spectrum where varying levels of "maybe" live. I don't like the term "weak atheist", since it's kinda like sayin "almost pregnant"

ARE YOU A STRONG ATHEIST???

Sorry. I'm not going to indulge your demand that I argue your straw man.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

And the bolded part is what any "sin-tax", or health related tax ignores. And that included cigarettes.

Therefore, unless vaping is proven to have a greater negative impact on health than "junk-food", there is no rationale to tax it above regular sales tax.

BUT, there is a school of thought, that seems to be based on "if it is going to have negative consequences for society (monetarily), then tax it at a higher rate" to reduce the financial burden for the masses.

Here is an example:

Helmet laws for motorcyclists. I wear All The Gear All The Time (ATGATT), but why can the law require that I wear a helmet? Shouldn't I be free to choose?

Hmmmmmmm

I've often said the same. Here in Florida, you CAN ride without a helmet.
Helmets and seatbelts only protect the wearer, so why require them? I think it might have to do with insurance company lobbyists since they are the only ones that benefit from such laws.

I get requiring them for children, but adults should have the choice.

 

[Surf Monkey]

And still, all insults and no profession of your atheist faith. I actually laughed out loud at the "drop the name calling", followed by name calling!!!

I know exactly what a straw man is. This is the part where we define our terms so it won't be a straw man. That's how straw men are burned down. And not in the way you think.

Butthead!

Yeah, you're really lacking in basic self awareness, aren't you?

Having delivered little more than smears, personal insults and demands that I argue against a straw man you built you're in no position to criticize me about either my debate skills OR my integrity.

Surprise. Turns out you're still the same ineffective, rage filled person you were at ECF. Now that your dumb argument has failed here too are you going to have a tantrum, ask the site to close your account and slink off to yet another vaping forum to smear people behind their backs and pretend you're a genius?

Bet on it.

 

[Azriel Mysterious]

we are but just a galaxy on the collar of a cat...

Love the MIB reference. ^.~

 

[Surf Monkey]

seriouslly is that the best you have to offer?


OH no jesus let the plants die...how could he....besides I thought taking care of each other was your job. somewhere in your extensive spiritual studies you mistook God for Santa Claus.

Sure. Because people are just like failing crops. Plants die so what's the big deal??

I mean, I suppose this god fellow is incapable of figuring out the difference between plants and animals? Between crops and humans? Between the tragedy of people starving in a world filled with food and a bunch of corn someone wasn't able to water enough?

This "rebuttal" of yours is laughably weak.