Oh Fuch(ai) Yeah

[mjag]

I agree, most reviewers are full of shit but a good percentage of them know how to use TC properly. This guy even said he is not a TC guy, uses power all the time, I guess that is why he didn't know that for TC to work properly on most mods you have to LOCK resistance especially with SS as it's resistances changes more when it is heated up. Also if you set preheat to 3 seconds that means TC won't kick in until 3 seconds, what a bonehead move.

Not trying to defend Sigelei but I do know that SS316L TC works for me with the Fuchai 213 because my brain actually functions unlike this reviewer. Is it the best, hell no, the G2 and Slice kicks it's ass and I am sure the DNA200 does as well which I am getting soon. It does work better than my RX200S, that thing is a POS for SS316L TC as it is inconsistent.

I am not a Sigelei fanboy, in fact I am not buying anymore of there products, they can go fuck themselves. I just have to be honest though and say that if you know what your doing the Fuchai 213 works for SS316L TC. I would definitely not recommend anyone try using it with Ni or Ti though, I never recommend any of those metals for vaping as they are just a bad idea anyway.

 

[Deucesjack]

I agree, most reviewers are full of shit but a good percentage of them know how to use TC properly. This guy even said he is not a TC guy, uses power all the time, I guess that is why he didn't know that for TC to work properly on most mods you have to LOCK resistance especially with SS as it's resistances changes more when it is heated up. Also if you set preheat to 3 seconds that means TC won't kick in until 3 seconds, what a bonehead move.

Not trying to defend Sigelei but I do know that SS316L TC works for me with the Fuchai 213 because my brain actually functions unlike this reviewer. Is it the best, hell no, the G2 and Slice kicks it's ass and I am sure the DNA200 does as well which I am getting soon. It does work better than my RX200S, that thing is a POS for SS316L TC as it is inconsistent.

I am not a Sigelei fanboy, in fact I am not buying anymore of there products, they can go fuck themselves. I just have to be honest though and say that if you know what your doing the Fuchai 213 works for SS316L TC. I would definitely not recommend anyone try using it with Ni or Ti though, I never recommend any of those metals for vaping as they are just a bad idea anyway.

If you're a reviewer and you're not checking the tc on a mod then that's just shameful in my opinion. Whether you as a reviewer vape in tc or not is not the point. You're reviewing the mod for your subscribers you self important morons.

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[TechnoGeek]

Yeah, that reviewer has made a few questionable reviews in the.past. This one wasn't good either. That said, it seems to me that tc on the Fuchai 213 is hit or miss, works for some and not others.

As far as the way pre-heat works.in the Fuchai, it's screwed up, it's preheat in tc.... Once it reaches the desired temperature, regardless of what it's set to, it SHOULD turn off, and should never exceed the set temperature. Think about the scenario where someone is vaping using Titanium or nickel? That makes of the mod extremely dangerous, and a hazard to one's Health, doesn't it? Why would you ever allow the preheat to exceed the set temperature and potentially melt the coils when the material is hazardious if inhaled?!?! It's incompetence and completely irresponsible.......

 

[mjag]

I agree @TechnoGeek , this mod is very dangerous with Ti or Ni, it actually should be banned along with coils using those 2 wires IMO.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

If you're a reviewer and you're not checking the tc on a mod then that's just shameful in my opinion. Whether you as a reviewer vape in tc or not is not the point. You're reviewing the mod for your subscribers you self important morons.

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They should vent the batteries in every mod they review too, to show us if the vent holes work....and then vape it with every juice on the market and in every atty on the market

 

[Deucesjack]

They should vent the batteries in every mod they review too, to show us if the vent holes work....and then vape it with every juice on the market and in every atty on the market

Smh, no but if you buy a sports car you want to know how it handles because that's one of the main features. Same applies to buying a tc mod. I don't think wanting the tc to work is asking to much.

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[Adam Paseman]

Smh, no but if you buy a sports car you want to know how it handles because that's one of the main features. Same applies to buying a tc mod. I don't think wanting the tc to work is asking to much.

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Ya, TC is kinda a major feature that some look for.


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[Adam Paseman]

Well, I will eat crow here. Played with it in TC node again-and it isn't working. Not sure why it did for me before-not sure Ive done anything differently. So-my earlier sentiment that my 213 seemed to work in TC is now altered. I bought the mod for wattage-which is what ai run 95% of the time. Just going on record about my experience with TC.


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[Paratech]

If you want to use TC mode, expect firmware upgrades, or want to run at the same power setting you are used to in every other mod out there, the Sigelei Fuchai 213 is NOT for you.

If you are ok with running your wattage 5 - 10 watts higher than you would on any other mod to get the same output and ONLY want to safely use power mode, the Sigelei Fuchai 213 will do this, looks great, and is very light weight and comfortable as well as seems to get better battery life.
(although the better battery life can probably be explained by the fact it isn't applying as much power as you have it set to)

 

[Adam Paseman]

An attempt to sum it up:

The mod apparently is NOT a functioning TC mod

It functions well in wattage as a 10-150w mod-but it's advertised up to 213.

Pre-heat is a nice feature-if that's important to you.

Nicely built-nice and light, seems like quality.

Looks nice-subjective but a lot seem to agree.

Good battery life.

Sigelei fucked themselves in the forceable future in reputation due to how they have handled this mods release.

It's a personal choice at this point to whether one wants to shell out their hard earned cash to buy it-knowing what it is. If one doesn't research it and buys it with the assumption that it is as advertised and was expecting to have a working TC and 213 watts then they will most likely be disappointed.

I just don't get it-you seem to have two groups ones arguing that the mod you bought sucks-really? Gee i thought i liked it for what it is? Guess I better re-evaluate.

And those that seem hell bent to tell those that don't like it that they are wrong-despite it not living up to its advertised feature set that it is the best thing in the market.





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[Deucesjack]

Like I said in the beginning of this bro, human nature. Most people can't admit they made a bad purchase or were taken. The good news is I read somewhere that if you bought it at Vapenw they're giving people full store credit if you want to send it back. That's pretty Kool of them.

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[Topweasel]

Like I said in the beginning of this bro, human nature. Most people can't admit they made a bad purchase or were taken. The good news is I read somewhere that if you bought it at Vapenw they're giving people full store credit if you want to send it back. That's pretty Kool of them.

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I am not going to make Vapenw pay for Sigeleis trouble and I do still don't mind using it in power. Sig has already got paid for this. But it's the last one for me. No more Sigs.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

There are plenty of reviewer that love TC and just as many that hate it or just don't feel it is safe enough.
I have more respect for the ones that will tell you to go watch another reviewer for a review of the TC functionality.

And do you really want to know what someone that doesn't like TC thinks of how a device works in TC mode over the opinion of someone that actually uses it?

 

[Deucesjack]

There are plenty of reviewer that love TC and just as many that hate it or just don't feel it is safe enough.
I have more respect for the ones that will tell you to go watch another reviewer for a review of the TC functionality.

And do you really want to know what someone that doesn't like TC thinks of how a device works in TC mode over the opinion of someone that actually uses it?

That's all fine and good but none of them said that. They all gushed over this mod like bunch of little school girls. In fact most of them said it did tc well. Look at Vaping Heathen, that fool still insists it does tc even after all the scientific evidence is in.

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[gtrtech]

You have to remember that none of them are experts,they just a bunch of kids with new toys to play with and some of them really don't know how the toys should work,but for the most part they do a decent job.
I don't base any of my purchases off of one reviews word,I like to start with Phil and Daniels technical reviews then watch a couple of others.
Even thought I been told it's a flawed product I still want one.

 

[Paratech]

Is this over yet?

 

[Paratech]

Mod - Hohm Wrecker G2, that may change once I get my Hohm Slice.
RTA - Boreas
Subohm Tank with prebuilt coils - Crown.

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I want to thank you @Deucesjack for this post.
It caused me to start digging into this mod and the company.
It also caused me to purchase the Silver, Red, and Orange G2.
So also thank you for helping me spend my money, haha
As you can tell from my previous pic, I needed a few more mods.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

That's all fine and good but none of them said that. They all gushed over this mod like bunch of little school girls. In fact most of them said it did tc well. Look at Vaping Heathen, that fool still insists it does tc even after all the scientific evidence is in.

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I'd bet it is because they don't like TC and when it doesn't work right it gives them the vape they enjoy

 

[Mazam]

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So anybody want to chime in if he was at least right that the Fuchai doesn't have the same misfiring tendency as the original?

Not really looking to pick a side here but i like my small-as-possible mods, don't do TC, and wouldn't mind a go-to-work device that does not require carrying around a second battery (or charger) to make it through the night. At $45 and with no reliable ETA on the IPV6X release (not that i'm crazy about IPV as a whole either) it's tempting atm.

 

[Ian91]

I just got mine this morning. No misfires at this point. I don't do TC either and am very pleased with this right now. It seems a lot smaller than the Cuboid even though it is not. The weight difference is unreal. It does seem to read coils slightly lower than my other mods (evic vtc mini and cuboid) so am using slightly higher wattage. I am under 20 watts on everything. Very smooth vape from it. Have vaped this one since about 11am and am going to vape it until it dies to see how battery life is. Using a Merlin on it with .9ohm 26ga kanthal coil at 18.5 watts. Battery still says 76%. Have not been keeping track of my juice usage but I normally go thru about 15ml per day.

 

[gtrtech]

The latest release date on the Ipv 6 I've seen is 7/18,the reviewers say it doesn't exist yet.
I'm waiting on Daniel's Ipv 400 review,that should give some idea of it's going to work,don't really likes the looks of the 400,as Fagan put it looks like something that came from Kmart.

 

[Mazam]

The latest release date on the Ipv 6 I've seen is 7/18,the reviewers say it doesn't exist yet.
I'm waiting on Daniel's Ipv 400 review,that should give some idea of it's going to work,don't really likes the looks of the 400,as Fagan put it looks like something that came from Kmart.

I read somewhere this morning it was now looking like an August release, due to "production issues". So yeah, tempted to agree with the notion that it does not even exist yet as a finished product.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

They better get it out before 8-8 if they want to be able to sell it here (USA).

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Johnny Hotsauce]

I just got mine this morning. No misfires at this point. I don't do TC either and am very pleased with this right now. It seems a lot smaller than the Cuboid even though it is not. The weight difference is unreal. It does seem to read coils slightly lower than my other mods (evic vtc mini and cuboid) so am using slightly higher wattage. I am under 20 watts on everything. Very smooth vape from it. Have vaped this one since about 11am and am going to vape it until it dies to see how battery life is. Using a Merlin on it with .9ohm 26ga kanthal coil at 18.5 watts. Battery still says 76%. Have not been keeping track of my juice usage but I normally go thru about 15ml per day.

+1 on no misfires. Battery life is still awesome with my LG browns, I get 1 day to a day and a half depending on what build is on top of the Fuchai 213. Also +1 on the mod reading the coil a little lower than it actually is and having to use about 5-10 watts more power.

Not a bad mod for under $40 if you're only using power mode. Size is great in the hand and I don't need spare batteries with me so for those 2 reasons I'm happy with it. Because of all the negativity I haven't tried TC on it yet but I might one day when I'm bored and feel like doing a SS build just to see if it's as bad as everyone says.

But again, take it with a grain of salt but I feel it's a decent VW mod for under $40. then again, so are others out there too But they don't pre-heat, if that matters to you

 

[Ian91]

I get a full day from the batteries (using 30Q). Very happy with this mod so far although I do not plan to ever use TC. Because of all the reported issues, I am going to try it out for 2 weeks before I order another one. Not a popular decision but I think this will work for me especially with prices falling so low.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

The more the word gets out on them, the lower places will have to drop the price to get rid of them.

 

[Deucesjack]

Like I said before for $40 I'd rather get an Ipv5. Better board, tried and true mod, awesome power mode, and it really does tc. I can live without the preheat and looks. IMO.

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[Mazam]

Like I said before for $40 I'd rather get an Ipv5. Better board, tried and true mod, awesome power mode, and it really does tc. I can live without the preheat and looks. IMO.

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Too big, not as good looking, and for me is made by a company that was already basically at where you have Sigelei at now (seriously, put me down in the camp that has it being a push on whether an IPV device's lifespan will outlast a month past it's relatively short warranty period).

Thanks for the replies on the misfires guys. As non-TC guy, I went in for $42 shipped.

 

[OBDave]

Too big, not as good looking, and for me is made by a company that was already basically at where you have Sigelei at now (seriously, put me down in the camp that has it being a push on whether an IPV device's lifespan will outlast a month past it's relatively short warranty period).

Thanks for the replies on the misfires guys. As non-TC guy, I went in for $42 shipped.

Add to that the magnets on my IPV5's door are weak - a slight bump and the thing falls off. It is a great performing mod, though, if you care about TC (I don't) and can get past the bulk...

 

[Deucesjack]

Well, you can say you want about p4u and the Ipv5. Opinions vary. I have had my Ipv5 for about 6 months now with no issues whatsoever. My battery door magnets are fine. I have the silver and it has held up beautifully so far. Even with all the bugs in their previous mods at the very least the mod did what it was supposed to do. That's just not the case with the 213. Hey, like I said its your money and really none of my business how you spend it. All things being equal I would still take an ipv5 any day over a 213.

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[Topweasel]

I think there is a really good parallel between P4U and Sigelei. Here you have two $50-60 mods. One has a bullet proof chip with a company that doesn't have the best build quality and mod that is one of the best build qualities but with one of the buggiest chips you can get. Both are manufactured by companies that van be sleazy at times. Which would you get?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I think there is a really good parallel between P4U and Sigelei. Here you have two $50-60 mods. One has a bullet proof chip with a company that doesn't have the best build quality and mod that is one of the best build qualities but with one of the buggiest chips you can get. Both are manufactured by companies that van be sleazy at times. Which would you get?

A VT133 (DNA200) . I'm just messing around but that's what I bought recently and couldn't be happier.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Topweasel]

A VT133 (DNA200) . I'm just messing around but that's what I bought recently and couldn't be happier.

Cheers,
Steve

DNA when possible is always the answer sadly a 100w + tends to be twice the cost. The other choice is like wismec or smok and so on where there a compromises both in chip and build quality. They probably are the better options but still.

 

[Ben-Rod]

WTF, anyone seen this? ecig.com jacked the price back up on this bullshit mod...lol....

http://www.ecig.com/sigelei-fuchai-213-mod.html?___SID=U

 

[Deucesjack]

WTF, anyone seen this? ecig.com jacked the price back up on this bullshit mod...lol....

http://www.ecig.com/sigelei-fuchai-213-mod.html?___SID=U

Lol, saw that. Probably because of all the fools like Vaping Heathen that still insists that it does TC. Smfh. Then you have the Vapers that say hey man I don't care, I don't vape in Tc. They were probably selling like hotcakes at that price so they figured they could get a few bucks more. This whole Sigelei drama has been laughable.

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[Ben-Rod]

Agreed DJ.

 

[Paratech]

I agree that it sucks they raised the price.
However all the haters (they all have good reason) shouldn't be concerned with this.
If you don't like it and don't want it, it doesn't matter if it is $1 or $5000.
Unfortunately for the non-haters of this mod and all the controversy that comes with it, I am one of the people who said I don't care because I want it.
So if that is what caused the price to jump, my 6 go towards the count that helped raised the price.
Due to this price jump, I am certainly glad I got all of mine while the prices were rock bottom.

 

[Johnny Hotsauce]

I am certainly glad I got all of mine while the prices were rock bottom.

Glad I got all 4 colors at the cheapo price. Actually decided to do a SS build last night and running it in TC right now on my Boreas and so far no issues.

 

[Deucesjack]

I agree that it sucks they raised the price.
However all the haters (they all have good reason) shouldn't be concerned with this.
If you don't like it and don't want it, it doesn't matter if it is $1 or $5000.
Unfortunately for the non-haters of this mod and all the controversy that comes with it, I am one of the people who said I don't care because I want it.
So if that is what caused the price to jump, my 6 go towards the count that helped raised the price.
Due to this price jump, I am certainly glad I got all of mine while the prices were rock bottom.

Agreed, no skin of my ass because I would never ever own this mod. I was just speculating as to why the price went up.

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[Paratech]

Agreed, no skin of my ass because I would never ever own this mod. I was just speculating as to why the price went up.

Totally understood.
If it came across as anything different I apologize.
It certainly wasn't meant that way.
For those that do not care for this mod I fully understand why and agree with all of the reasons for anyone to dislike it.
As for your speculation, I feel confident you are 100% correct.
People like me buying 6 of them right away probably made them think that if this idiot (me in this case) was willing to cough up $39.95 for 6 of them, then odds are others would cough up more.
I think it sucks that they did that.

 

[Deucesjack]

Totally understood.
If it came across as anything different I apologize.
It certainly wasn't meant that way.
For those that do not care for this mod I fully understand why and agree with all of the reasons for anyone to dislike it.
As for your speculation, I feel confident you are 100% correct.
People like me buying 6 of them right away probably made them think that if this idiot (me in this case) was willing to cough up $39.95 for 6 of them, then odds are others would cough up more.
I think it sucks that they did that.

No worries bro didn't take it that way at all. Meh at the end of the day ecig.com is still a business. They have always been nothing but fair with me. If they see fit to charge a few dollars more on a hot seller so be it. I just had the chuff cap melt on a limitless I paid $15 for from them. They couldn't replace the cap or the tank because they don't carry it anymore. They refunded me $5 just to keep me happy. They're a great vendor.

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[Topweasel]

Glad I got all 4 colors at the cheapo price. Actually decided to do a SS build last night and running it in TC right now on my Boreas and so far no issues.

It's not that the device isn't usable in temp control. It's that it can't be trusted in that which is important for Ni and Ti setups. If you are using SS and one to 3 drag vaporer that then has the device resting for several minutes its not an issue. If you are using SS and small coils like a 28 or 30awg that cools down super quick you won't have an issue. But if you chain vape or use really large coils that have long cooling times before resetting back to room temp. Or using a coil that significantly changes resistance when warming (Ti and Ni for example) each drag will cause the device to stair step up the temp (it's thinking a locked .20 is a .22, the next time a .24 and the next time .26). A .02 ohm discrepancy for a coil could be anything from a 50 degree to 150 degree difference depending on the TCR value. With NI and TI not only can the stair steps be larger and the chances of taking a "burnt hit" or the coils basically melting but both coils are bad for your health if they get to the point that they glow (though how much is debatable).

End point being you're better off just fine tuning power usage than to rely on the TC this box outputs.

 

[Adam Paseman]

I guess as they say, bad publicity is still publicity. And perhaps ecig.com raised the price die to sigelei raising the wholesale price to them.


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[Paratech]

Meh at the end of the day ecig.com is still a business. They have always been nothing but fair with me.

Agreed.
They have also been treating me well since I've been using them.
Just recently (2 days ago) received the Hell's Gate 200 and it wouldn't stop firing.
I emailed Adam and he quickly setup a return for me.
I was also going to return the Vaporesso Tarot because it wasn't producing power but after fiddling with it, it now works.
However it is extremely under powered in all aspects.
The down side, if I return that one since it does indeed work (just not well) I'd be charged a 15% restocking fee.
They'll only give full credit/replacement/refund for defective units.
Not ones that suck.
I am not complaining about their return policy, just sucks that I have to add a mod to my collection that doesn't do what I purchased it to do.
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I mentioned all that for two reasons.
1 to note to other Tarot buyers
2 because it fits the topic of a mod not doing what the manufacture claims it will.
(although at least this one isn't a safety issue)

 

[Deucesjack]

Agreed.
They have also been treating me well since I've been using them.
Just recently (2 days ago) received the Hell's Gate 200 and it wouldn't stop firing.
I emailed Adam and he quickly setup a return for me.
I was also going to return the Vaporesso Tarot because it wasn't producing power but after fiddling with it, it now works.
However it is extremely under powered in all aspects.
The down side, if I return that one since it does indeed work (just not well) I'd be charged a 15% restocking fee.
They'll only give full credit/replacement/refund for defective units.
Not ones that suck.
I am not complaining about their return policy, just sucks that I have to add a mod to my collection that doesn't do what I purchased it to do.
******************
I mentioned all that for two reasons.
1 to note to other Tarot buyers
2 because it fits the topic of a mod not doing what the manufacture claims it will.
(although at least this one isn't a safety issue)

Maybe someone with a 213 will trade you for the Tarrot. Lmao. Just joking bro, good heads up about the Tarrot. I was actually looking at that one.

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[Johnny Hotsauce]

It's not that the device isn't usable in temp control. It's that it can't be trusted in that which is important for Ni and Ti setups. If you are using SS and one to 3 drag vaporer that then has the device resting for several minutes its not an issue. If you are using SS and small coils like a 28 or 30awg that cools down super quick you won't have an issue. But if you chain vape or use really large coils that have long cooling times before resetting back to room temp. Or using a coil that significantly changes resistance when warming (Ti and Ni for example) each drag will cause the device to stair step up the temp (it's thinking a locked .20 is a .22, the next time a .24 and the next time .26). A .02 ohm discrepancy for a coil could be anything from a 50 degree to 150 degree difference depending on the TCR value. With NI and TI not only can the stair steps be larger and the chances of taking a "burnt hit" or the coils basically melting but both coils are bad for your health if they get to the point that they glow (though how much is debatable).

End point being you're better off just fine tuning power usage than to rely on the TC this box outputs.

I'm running a .25 ohm 316 SS dual coil build and have been quasi-chain vaping on the standard SS 316 mode and so far no issue that I can tell but I do have a concern she'll keep stepping up the temp without me knowing it.

Simple fix, I just put it back into power mode since 316 works fine there too

 

[Johnny Hotsauce]

Maybe someone with a 213 will trade you for the Tarrot. Lmao. Just joking bro, good heads up about the Tarrot. I was actually looking at that one.

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That's cruel, LOL

 

[Deucesjack]

That's cruel, LOL

Lol, I was just joking.

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[Johnny Hotsauce]

Lol, I was just joking.

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hehehehehe, I knew that!

 

[Mazam]

No worries bro didn't take it that way at all. Meh at the end of the day ecig.com is still a business. They have always been nothing but fair with me. If they see fit to charge a few dollars more on a hot seller so be it. I just had the chuff cap melt on a limitless I paid $15 for from them. They couldn't replace the cap or the tank because they don't carry it anymore. They refunded me $5 just to keep me happy. They're a great vendor.

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Well in all fairness to Ecig.com (who i agree are stand up people and one of my favorite vendors) the $39.99 was substantially cheaper then i saw anywhere else, and a +$10 hike still leaves them selling it as low or lower then anybody else.

It's the smallest 2 battery box i know of, that most seemed to universally agree had a quality build to it. That alone at $40 was gonna sell hot regardless how much the TC crowd howled about it's shortcomings