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That is so true! I've lived in upscale homes in upscale neighborhoods, and I've lived in the poorest of trailer parks...I've worked the hardest of blue collar jobs, and have worked as part of executive level leadership teams...through which I've met all kinds of people. Some of the best people I have ever met live and work in what many would consider the lowest of low places. How you treat others, and the honesty and sincerity of what you say and do are a far better measure of your character than your job or where you live.

Well said and 100% true.
 

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That is so true! I've lived in upscale homes in upscale neighborhoods, and I've lived in the poorest of trailer parks...I've worked the hardest of blue collar jobs, and have worked as part of executive level leadership teams...through which I've met all kinds of people. Some of the best people I have ever met live and work in what many would consider the lowest of low places. How you treat others, and the honesty and sincerity of what you say and do are a far better measure of your character than your job or where you live.
what was the saying?
character is judged by how treat those that can do nothing for you
 

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I might not of known the Real Nikki, but I think I knew her real personality.
She not only kept who she really was a secret from us, but she kept her Vaping and her Vaping friends a secret to her real life friends.
Everyone has his or her reasons to do what they do.
All I know is I lost someone that I called a friend. :(
 

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For what it's worth, I'm glad to see everyone again even if we are coming together from negative bullshit. Some of you I haven't talked to in months from the last time I was banned there. Nice to have the crew together again
It was an exodus from negative bullshit that really brought most of us together in the first place
 

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I might not of known the Real Nikki, but I think I knew her real personality.
She not only kept who she really was a secret from us, but she kept her Vaping and her Vaping friends a secret to her real life friends.
Everyone has his or her reasons to do what they do.
All I know is I lost someone that I called a friend. :(


Ummm what?
 

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Haters and Trolls get ready for this one, :facepalm:

It's going on 3 years this Oct. that I met a group of unique and special people :rolleyes:
From all over the world both men and women of different races & religions came together with one thing in common, Vaping!
When I first went to ECF, I remember thinking I was part of one of the best groups of people ever!
Over them 3 years I sat back and watch this group get torn apart over and over again.
Now this group is divided and spread out to other Forums like the VU and VGF.
Now don't take this the wrong way, I am not bashing or putting down any Forum.
I'm looking at the big picture, it wasn't just this group, it seems like the whole vaping community has been torn apart.
But over what?
Rules? or maybe it was a He said She said thing? Arguments over Devices, Mods and Batteries? A reviewer gets paid? A reviewer don't like a device you like? Clouds?
I guess there's a bunch of reasons as a community we are falling apart.
But to me, none of them are worth it.
The old saying United We Stand, Divided We Fall comes to mind because We are losing the war between Big Pharma and Vaping.
Big Pharma owns and controls the FDA and with us all hating on each other, it's just a matter of time before they completely eliminate vaping.
Which ever forum you are on, Watch how less an less new Vapers join.
And that's because the FDA is making it harder and harder for a person to stop smoking and start Vaping.
And there's literally thousands of us that are getting spanked by a few with power because we don't stand together.
 

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That post was all over the place lol
You give me a headache. There is always going to be a battle of sorts.
The world is all kinds of f'd up Chief, and all kinds of f'd up people in it, mixed with somewhat decent ones. Forum or real world, people aren't always going to get along, or share the same views.
Some don't care, some care too much, some just seek out to destroy, some try to save everyone...Some are suspicious of everything, some cower... That's the world we live in. It's diverse, and the Internet brings all these different personalities together lol.
 
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Haters and Trolls get ready for this one, :facepalm:

It's going on 3 years this Oct. that I met a group of unique and special people :rolleyes:
From all over the world both men and women of different races & religions came together with one thing in common, Vaping!
When I first went to ECF, I remember thinking I was part of one of the best groups of people ever!
Over them 3 years I sat back and watch this group get torn apart over and over again.
Now this group is divided and spread out to other Forums like the VU and VGF.
Now don't take this the wrong way, I am not bashing or putting down any Forum.
I'm looking at the big picture, it wasn't just this group, it seems like the whole vaping community has been torn apart.
But over what?
Rules? or maybe it was a He said She said thing? Arguments over Devices, Mods and Batteries? A reviewer gets paid? A reviewer don't like a device you like? Clouds?
I guess there's a bunch of reasons as a community we are falling apart.
But to me, none of them are worth it.
The old saying United We Stand, Divided We Fall comes to mind because We are losing the war between Big Pharma and Vaping.
Big Pharma owns and controls the FDA and with us all hating on each other, it's just a matter of time before they completely eliminate vaping.
Which ever forum you are on, Watch how less an less new Vapers join.
And that's because the FDA is making it harder and harder for a person to stop smoking and start Vaping.
And there's literally thousands of us that are getting spanked by a few with power because we don't stand together.
its a valid point chief, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

but I cant..
maybe its me, I get kicked out of 2 forums for speaking the truth.
why is the truth such a bad thing?
give scientific facts on ecf - banned
give discovered facts about a person whose lied to me for years - banned
i know its not me. because here, most of the members like me, the ones that don't at least respect me.

and as for that half baked apology, to me it brings up more questions than answers. I know that I can never speak to him, or any of his 'family" and think that I'm getting anything based in reality.

yeah we have all been together for 3 years. You, Red and myself all started around the same time. we have been through a lot as a group. having been through so much, I like not having to wonder if what you or red is saying is true or not.

with them/him/whatever, the only reason what is supposedly the truth -THIS TIME- is being said, is it because the lies were exposed and proven. But all efforts were made to not let that happen- IP banning those that got close to the truth was no less than an attempt to stop the truth. WHEN ASKED WHY THE BAN - a complete transcript was fabricated in a vain attempt to make people who know me that i had a malicious intent. YES ANOTHER LIE! to protect the lies. i feel like the VGF version of Ed SNOWDEN. it was not until he/she/they realized that the truth was unfolding that the 'apology" developed.

you were kicked out for looking for the house? maybe the fear then was that you would discover the lies at that time? it is possible.

i realize its the internet and a certain degree of anonymity is wanted by some, but where is the acceptable line? taking the identity of an innocent women and child that lives 15 minutes away, puts both of the woman and child, either at risk, or publicizes a strangers image without consent. if that is not illegal than it is certainly unethical. combing the image and using the persons real life names and story is just plain creepy at best. claiming she is your spouse and posting a picture from the "Surprise wedding" is a whole different level of ....... something.

I'm sorry dude, these things may be ok for you, or for some others.... but to me, after spending time helping where i did, i cant help but feel maybe a little guilty for what was done to that woman. no i didn't tell any lies, or get her involved, but i sure did help in a way with the site and helped to facilitate the situation
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The internet is awesome! It allows free exchange of ideas.
But it also allows for free exchange of utter bullshit.
The anonymity is nice, and people can embellish a bit....I can say that I'm 6ft tall, 200lbs of pure muscle, when I'm really 5'8, 300lb tub-o-lard.
That same anonymity gives too many folks the balls to say things that would get their asses kicked in real life. It's easy to be the internet tough guy...but it's also just as easy for the decent person who may not have the social skills for face to face interaction to let their true personality show, and let others see them for who they are without judgement.
It's all a matter of choice.
But when there are no consequences for making the less honorable choice, it seems like more take that path.

There are different ways to keep anonymity on the internet...one can make up this elaborate story and even use names to make it believable. One can also use a "handle" and stay anonymous that way (like myself, there are some on here that I've known for years, yet I don't know their names, nor do,they know mine.).
Again, it's all a matter of choices
 

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its a valid point chief, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

but I cant..
maybe its me, I get kicked out of 2 forums for speaking the truth.
why is the truth such a bad thing?
give scientific facts on ecf - banned
give discovered facts about a person whose lied to me for years - banned
i know its not me. because here, most of the members like me, the ones that don't at least respect me.

and as for that half baked apology, to me it brings up more questions than answers. I know that I can never speak to him, or any of his 'family" and think that I'm getting anything based in reality.

yeah we have all been together for 3 years. You, Red and myself all started around the same time. we have been through a lot as a group. having been through so much, I like not having to wonder if what you or red is saying is true or not.

with them/him/whatever, the only reason what is supposedly the truth -THIS TIME- is being said, is it because the lies were exposed and proven. But all efforts were made to not let that happen- IP banning those that got close to the truth was no less than an attempt to stop the truth. WHEN ASKED WHY THE BAN - a complete transcript was fabricated in a vain attempt to make people who know me that i had a malicious intent. YES ANOTHER LIE! to protect the lies. i feel like the VGF version of Ed SNOWDEN. it was not until he/she/they realized that the truth was unfolding that the 'apology" developed.

you were kicked out for looking for the house? maybe the fear then was that you would discover the lies at that time? it is possible.

i realize its the internet and a certain degree of anonymity is wanted by some, but where is the acceptable line? taking the identity of an innocent women and child that lives 15 minutes away, puts both of the woman and child, either at risk, or publicizes a strangers image without consent. if that is not illegal than it is certainly unethical. combing the image and using the persons real life names and story is just plain creepy at best. claiming she is your spouse and posting a picture from the "Surprise wedding" is a whole different level of ....... something.

I'm sorry dude, these things may be ok for you, or for some others.... but to me, after spending time helping where i did, i cant help but feel maybe a little guilty for what was done to that woman. no i didn't tell any lies, or get her involved, but i sure did help in a way with the site and helped to facilitate the situation
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Do you think you would of got banned if you PM and ask instead of posting it?
No I wasn't kicked out or banned at VGF for looking for his house.
I got banned because I got smart with Whiskey and she banned me. :sad:
It was Me, I got myself banned, I don't think it should of been a life ban, maybe 90 days, :rolleyes: but that's in the past now.
And here Whiskey has never treated me mean nor been rude to me. I can come in here and talk to her and ask her vape questions.
And that's the way it should be, or maybe she don't know it was me :oops: :giggle:

I'm not saying to forgive it all, but more like just let it go.
A Vape forum should be filled with Vaping post not bashing post.

20 years from now will people be sitting around Vaping
or will it be more like the hippies of the 60s & 70s
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siting around talking about how great it was back then when we had Love & Vaping ;)
 

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Do you think you would of got banned if you PM and ask instead of posting it?
No I wasn't kicked out or banned at VGF for looking for his house.
I got banned because I got smart with Whiskey and she banned me. :sad:
It was Me, I got myself banned, I don't think it should of been a life ban, maybe 90 days, :rolleyes: but that's in the past now.
And here Whiskey has never treated me mean nor been rude to me. I can come in here and talk to her and ask her vape questions.
And that's the way it should be, or maybe she don't know it was me :oops: :giggle:

I'm not saying to forgive it all, but more like just let it go.
A Vape forum should be filled with Vaping post not bashing post.

20 years from now will people be sitting around Vaping
or will it be more like the hippies of the 60s & 70s
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siting around talking about how great it was back then when we had Love & Vaping ;)
i think you are missing the point, big time.
i can care less about being banned. if that is the price for doing the right thing, than I'm ok with that. It got so out of hand that it wasn't about vaping anyway. what about this innocent family whose life was being used as material for the lies? a real person's, real photos were used, this person had no idea what was happening- that is far past just lying.
oh and this family is only a few minutes away from him. its not like an arbitrary selection.
 
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i think you are missing the point, big time.
i can care less about being banned. if that is the price for doing the right thing, than I'm ok with that. It got so out of hand that it wasn't about vaping anyway. what about this innocent family whose life was being used as material for the lies?

^^^ Exactly!! It went way too far and an innocent family was being used (their life, pictures, etc) for someone else's sick selfish reasons. I've had my identity stolen by people I didn't know existed, and they used it to make fake FB accounts (long story). It was the most sickening feeling. I felt violated so I have empathy for the family that are the victims of this. This was about doing the right thing, and having the character to speak up vs turn the other cheek. I admire Tony very much for doing the right thing. He's good people in my book :)
 

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^^^ Exactly!! It went way too far and an innocent family was being used (their life, pictures, etc) for someone else's sick selfish reasons. I've had my identity stolen by people I didn't know existed, and they used it to make fake FB accounts (long story). It was the most sickening feeling. I felt violated so I have empathy for the family that are the victims of this. This was about doing the right thing, and having the character to speak up vs turn the other cheek. I admire Tony very much for doing the right thing. He's good people in my book :)

Honestly, the whole fake people BS shocked me and made me mad but I just bowed out and never looked back. BUT the "Lizzie" catfish thing tore me up. it's sick. It's wrong and I wanted no part of it.

On a side note of people not being who they are, I think @Kn0x is truly Tom Jones :huh:
 

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maybe she don't know it was me :oops: :giggle:
I knew it was you, so much time has elapsed from that incidence, and I knew I had to keep a separation from the 2 and at least try to have no conflict of interest between them (forums) with most my time here as home base, I made mistakes too , but I chose the right home for me (here)
I have absolutely no grudges for any of you, in fact a big part of what kept me hanging on over there were your friendships. I am glad you all came to settle and regain your own longstanding friendships here. That's no Bullshit<3
 

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I have a confession to make



I'm actually Dolly Parton


But no, really, if you feel so comfortable with being lied to and catfished then by all means feel free to stay there. I'm sure this whole thread has already been shared with that forum and read through. I'm fine with that, I have nothing to hide, and if I hadn't been banned I would tell him exactly what I think of the douchebaggery that occurred. As for the rest of us, we feel cheated and pissed off that someone could use identity theft to make up a fantasy world, and possibly endanger an innocent and unknowing woman and her family.

I guess what I'm trying to say is by all means stick with him and his sad little world. That's fine by me. But don't tell me I'm wrong for not wanting to be a part of it.
 

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i think you are missing the point, big time.
i can care less about being banned.
Integrity to stand up for what you believe in is never a bad thing

I have a confession to make



I'm actually Dolly Parton


But no, really, if you feel so comfortable with being lied to and catfished then by all means feel free to stay there. I'm sure this whole thread has already been shared with that forum and read through. I'm fine with that, I have nothing to hide, and if I hadn't been banned I would tell him exactly what I think of the douchebaggery that occurred. As for the rest of us, we feel cheated and pissed off that someone could use identity theft to make up a fantasy world, and possibly endanger an innocent and unknowing woman and her family.

I guess what I'm trying to say is by all means stick with him and his sad little world. That's fine by me. But don't tell me I'm wrong for not wanting to be a part of it.
a person is never wrong if they are following their convictions.
WTF? I go offline for a few days traveling for business and come back to TV caliber weird shit!
While catching up last night I was thinking, Wow, F1r3b1rd really wants to see that picture. ;-}
...and the surprising part of that is the picture doesn't involve boobs!
 

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Integrity to stand up for what you believe in is never a bad thing


a person is never wrong if they are following their convictions.
...and the surprising part of that is the picture doesn't involve boobs!
If he wants pictures of boobs he's got another thing coming
I KNEW it! @always9988 was really Dolly! When do I get my free tickets Dolly World?!?! Is that what it's called? Dolly Land? Dolly Tits? Hell I don't kno
It's dolly tits. You'll get tickets when you come over here for leg wrap hugs and bewb squishes
 

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I'm sorry yes I lied missy and Shan are my real sisters Tay is my sister in law married to Shan Ruby and Jade are very close friends of mine that saw Me and my sisters through tuff times Niki I have know Nika since she was little she was family to me. I have always had multiple jobs to support myself and my kids and my spouse Eli one was a bus driver I was also a f Fire fighter till my shoulder couldn't take it and I had to resign because replacement shoulder you can't do fire fighting with. My sisters and I spent many years at the hands of abusive parents so we went to Jade and Ruby's house to escape

I understand if you guys don't trust me anymore or leave over this I don't blame you one bit I just want to Say I'm sorry to everybody

so if this is to believed my questions are;
the real sisters knew about the entire lie and were ok with it?
his real wife/girlfriend lizzie was ok with pictures of another woman being used as her?
all of them were ok with a different childs picture being used to show his real child?
The friends jade and ruby supported all the lies? and went along with it all?

who else has questions?
 

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Honestly, the whole fake people BS shocked me and made me mad but I just bowed out and never looked back. BUT the "Lizzie" catfish thing tore me up. it's sick. It's wrong and I wanted no part of it.

On a side note of people not being who they are, I think @Kn0x is truly Tom Jones :huh:

She's a LaaaaDeeee, whoooa ooou ooooo, She's a LaaaaDeeee. :D

 

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I'm sorry yes I lied missy and Shan are my real sisters Tay is my sister in law married to Shan Ruby and Jade are very close friends of mine that saw Me and my sisters through tuff times Niki I have know Nika since she was little she was family to me. I have always had multiple jobs to support myself and my kids and my spouse Eli one was a bus driver I was also a f Fire fighter till my shoulder couldn't take it and I had to resign because replacement shoulder you can't do fire fighting with. My sisters and I spent many years at the hands of abusive parents so we went to Jade and Ruby's house to escape

I understand if you guys don't trust me anymore or leave over this I don't blame you one bit I just want to Say I'm sorry to everybody

so if this is to believed my questions are;
the real sisters knew about the entire lie and were ok with it?
his real wife/girlfriend lizzie was ok with pictures of another woman being used as her?
all of them were ok with a different childs picture being used to show his real child?
The friends jade and ruby supported all the lies? and went along with it all?

who else has questions?

Bullshit. No one helped him. They were all in his head. Questions for what. Why seek closure of sorts. It's done, he's busted, move on.
 

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We got approved!!!! Yayyyy will be able to start moving into the apartment as soon as we get the keys
our first place!!! ill be there in a few weeks
I'm shocked! Y'all are going to be living in sin!?
I think you both need to talk to a priest!

Seriously, though, CONGRATS!
 

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Now don't take this the wrong way, I am not bashing or putting down any Forum.


Wow. Delighted to hear that. So sorry you had to "settle" being here with us.....

Such enthusiasm toward your new home. Words fail me. I feel so bad for all of you poor, poor souls that have had to make do.

Is there anything we can possibly do to lessen the abject misery you are experiencing by being here?

Welcome to VU.


Sarcasm self test complete.
 

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i know, i'm bringing horses to water
Yes. Have no remorse. I can almost guarantee, that was not the first time he had done this, and probably still going on in other forums. To carry on for some years, is very calculating, methodical, and sociopathic. He will not stop, he can't. It doesn't help that-

Added: When folks divulge their life story and supply personal pics to a complete stranger, (no matter have long the communication lasts, you don't know that person.) it can and will be used. His first statement was always, what's your story? There was a whole thread dedicated to personal pics. How convenient...
This was a case and point.
It's best to just move on.
 
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