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Thx for the answer. TA is not the easiest flavor to work with from what I heard. I was more thinking of a general tobacco, not too light, not too dark.
Inawera Burley and Hangsen Virginia also have that light dry tobacco taste. For sweeter full bodied sweet tobacco to mix with caramels and cherry I like Inawera Black for Pipe.
Inawera (Wera Garden) Tobacco Absolute Virginia is a good one too, .5% to 2.5%.
Most any Virginia would most likely work also.
Like VZ Virginia Flue Cured.
Flavors Express Virginia, Golden Virginia, & Parler, (ECX carries them).
(These are just plain tobacco flavors without spices, nuts, caramels, etc).
BTW some of these are quite strong so for example, 2.5% is on the high end.
Most any Virginia would most likely work also.
Like VZ Virginia Flue Cured.
Flavors Express Virginia, Golden Virginia, & Parler, (ECX carries them).
(These are just plain tobacco flavors without spices, nuts, caramels, etc).
BTW some of these are quite strong so for example, 2.5% is on the high end.
I don't vape chinese stuff (with the exception of Hangsen tobacco extracts), but I will have a look at Inawera.
That makes me want to add it to my cart. For now I'll put it on my WL for later. The description says something about a Kentucky tobacco. It didn't really scream out to me.
FLH Cured Tobacco (@6% stand alone)
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Dang, beat me to it.
As a close second, I'll throw out there FlavorWest's Coumarin Pipe. It's super light on it's own, but added to other tobaccos it'll place a bit of an undertone body note that works well. It's in a fair amount of my tobacco mixes in one degree or another. But Cured changed my vape game when that bad boy got in for the first time.
edit - corrected from TFA to FlavorWest, my mistake.
As a close second, I'll throw out there FlavorWest's Coumarin Pipe. It's super light on it's own, but added to other tobaccos it'll place a bit of an undertone body note that works well. It's in a fair amount of my tobacco mixes in one degree or another. But Cured changed my vape game when that bad boy got in for the first time.
edit - corrected from TFA to FlavorWest, my mistake.
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Tobacco Express Virginia, and INW VA Tobacco Absolute get my vote too. For really sweet recipes, INW's Vanilla for Pipe and Deluxe TDM are also very good.
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They are said to be the best
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Yup same thing as what I was calling Flavors Express Virginia.
Totally forgot about that one, also great IMO.
Also was using a bit of INW DNB.
Pretty much have moved away from tobaccos now though.
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I have too, though I kinda like the sweet pipe-tobacco type, if there's plenty of sweet stuff mixed in. I tried the DNB in one of my iterations of my Cherry-Vanilla Pipe Tobacco, but wasn't pleased with it at all. Apparently the DNB is a great thing for new vapers who still want the taste of a cigarette, but not so much for those who can't abide that taste anymore. I thought it had a really WEIRD smell and whang, but maybe cigarettes do too -- it's been so long since I had one, I'm sure I don't remember them properly at all, and would probably gag if I tasted one now.
So I'll stick with just Vanilla for Pipe and Deluxe TDM in my Cherry Vanilla Pipe.
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ETA: but yeah -- the Tobacco Express Virginia was the only Virginia flavoring I found that didn't taste like rotten celery or fermented hay.
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I should have also added, in that ETA: Tobacco Express Golden Virginia is a little smokier, but unfortunately has a strong "rotten celery" whang, as many Virginia flavors do (FlavourArt Virginia really ought to be CALLED "rotten celery"). I can't abide that taste.
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Assuming you haven't, you should try INW's Tobacco Absolute Garuda WG. It's excellent at 1% in a mix if you want to add just the right amount of that fresh, grassy note to a tobacco flavor.
My suggestion to the OP's question would be one of Hangsen's Hava, Smooth, Cigar, Cuban, or RY3. To me, they all have a very similar flavor, so no real need to pick all of them up. Each provides a great cigarette/cigar base note to a flavor, that to my palate at least is very accurate and authentic tasting.
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I never could find any explanation for what "Garuda" is or what it means, but if it's "grassy," then no thanks!!! That's not the kind of grass I wanna smoke.
Nor hay, nor rotten celery, nor anything along those lines. Ick.Andria
I never could find any explanation for what "Garuda" is or what it means, but if it's "grassy," then no thanks!!! That's not the kind of grass I wanna smoke.
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Well, describe to me what a "virginia" tobacco is supposed to taste like. Maybe I'm off base, but I thought a "fresh, grassiness" was the main part of what makes "virginia" tobacco taste like "virginia" tobacco. lol
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I don't think so... to me, it's a dry, almost bitter-sweet sort of taste, somewhat toward an almost "apple cider" sort of taste. I don't like anything that reminds me of grass, even the smell of cut grass grosses me out, and I'm allergic to all sorts of grass. Hayrides are an exercise in how much of my body can I get Caladryl on?
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I agree about INW Tobacco Absolute Virginia as being the most "all -purpose". With INW Garuda following for a lighter flavor and FLV Cured Tobacco as a heavier alternative.
Also the new Flavorah Kentucky Blend can fit into many recipies
I need to get my hands on that, keep forgetting. Maybe I should do it right now so I don't forget.
where did you get that? thanks
Bull City Flavors is usually where I order from. Some of the new Flavorah choices you may have to get directly from their store.
First off, I don't claim to be an expert on vaping, vaping extracts or how to mix juice. I have been smoking cigarettes, pipes and cigars for over 40 years, so I believe this qualifies me to recognize a genuine tobacco taste when I see it.
Hands down, Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco, LLC at https://www.naturally-extracted-tobacco.com nails real tobacco taste hands down. With 100 different cigarette, pipe and cigar extracts you shouldn't have any problem finding a genuine tobacco flavor to mix into your juice. They are not as concentrated as most flavors and they're PG based, but without reservation, they taste like tobacco.
As far as what tobacco to use as a consistent base, that depends on whether you want the tobacco to be upfront or in the background. As I said, I don't have my stripes mixing e-juice, but after working in several tobacco shops over the years I understand tobacco blends.
If you're looking for sweet, you might look at cavendish extracts. These come in light and dark, with dark being fuller with a bit more sweet\spicy characteristics. The suggestion to use a Virginia tobacco is a good one as it mixes with with other tobaccos\flavors well. I like their Zware extract, as it's a dead ringer for Peter Stokkebye\Drum Halfzware Shag. I can vape this all day.
Adding a burley will give a fuller, slightly sweeter\spicy taste than Virginias. If you liked Camels in the old days, then you would look for a Turkish blend. If you're looking for a more exotic or dryer taste you could use Latikia or Perique extracts, but go lightly on these as they can overpower a blend quickly if used with reckless abandon. You can even try a cigar tobacco extract, but you might want to avoid the strawberry\mango or anything too sweet with it...it never worked with analog cigars, so I would hold no faith in it being any better in e-juice...
All this comes down to is personal taste and you are the best judge in that.
These are just very general suggestions, as mixing tobaccos is an art that takes years to perfect. If you decide to try Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco, LLC juice or extracts, Clay is extremely helpful and knowledgeable on tobacco characteristics and e-juice.
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Hands down, Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco, LLC at https://www.naturally-extracted-tobacco.com nails real tobacco taste hands down. With 100 different cigarette, pipe and cigar extracts you shouldn't have any problem finding a genuine tobacco flavor to mix into your juice. They are not as concentrated as most flavors and they're PG based, but without reservation, they taste like tobacco.
As far as what tobacco to use as a consistent base, that depends on whether you want the tobacco to be upfront or in the background. As I said, I don't have my stripes mixing e-juice, but after working in several tobacco shops over the years I understand tobacco blends.
If you're looking for sweet, you might look at cavendish extracts. These come in light and dark, with dark being fuller with a bit more sweet\spicy characteristics. The suggestion to use a Virginia tobacco is a good one as it mixes with with other tobaccos\flavors well. I like their Zware extract, as it's a dead ringer for Peter Stokkebye\Drum Halfzware Shag. I can vape this all day.
Adding a burley will give a fuller, slightly sweeter\spicy taste than Virginias. If you liked Camels in the old days, then you would look for a Turkish blend. If you're looking for a more exotic or dryer taste you could use Latikia or Perique extracts, but go lightly on these as they can overpower a blend quickly if used with reckless abandon. You can even try a cigar tobacco extract, but you might want to avoid the strawberry\mango or anything too sweet with it...it never worked with analog cigars, so I would hold no faith in it being any better in e-juice...
All this comes down to is personal taste and you are the best judge in that.
These are just very general suggestions, as mixing tobaccos is an art that takes years to perfect. If you decide to try Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco, LLC juice or extracts, Clay is extremely helpful and knowledgeable on tobacco characteristics and e-juice.
Happy Trails -
Cynical One
This question isn't quite full DIY, but enough for me that I need to ask.
I'm about to purchase a RY4 eliquid at 18mg/ml. I assume it would be an additive to premade eliquid. 1oz in an already 18mg liquid, such as vanilla would seem appropriate?
(And yes, I need to read up on straight DIY since I have so much nic and flavors.)
I'm about to purchase a RY4 eliquid at 18mg/ml. I assume it would be an additive to premade eliquid. 1oz in an already 18mg liquid, such as vanilla would seem appropriate?
(And yes, I need to read up on straight DIY since I have so much nic and flavors.)
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It's not really clear what you're asking...? You just want to add some 18mg RY4 to another 18mg ejuice?
Hell I thought you were a DIYer already!
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It's not really clear what you're asking...? You just want to add some 18mg RY4 to another 18mg ejuice?
Hell I thought you were a DIYer already!
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Yeah. I know. I've had a bunch of personal issues to deal with, then I pass out from exhaustion. Once I get on the computer it's all sales, catching up and quick visits here. I WILL start DIY 101 next week.
My question is if I purchase premade liquid that is RY4 stating to be 18mg/ml @ 30ml bottle, I add it to other liquids or just vape it alone? The latter doesn't sound right to me. Just checking. Good to chat with you again, g'friend.
By the way, I spoke with Amazon and they are taking back ALL of the massive lab equipment I purchased in August! Whew!...what a relief! $200 for the scale alone, beakers, tall beakers, amber bottles. I'll just get a smaller digital scale since I won't be making more than 120ml at a time. I prefer clear bottles for my concoctions since all of my nic, large and small are amber bottles.
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RY4 is vapable by itself; lots really like it. I'm not a huge fan of caramel, so it's never really appealed to me, but it's pretty popular in every variation I've seen. Or yeah, you could mix other stuff with it, too.
DIY does seem like an insurmountable obstacle when you're first considering it and starting out, but if you can make just ONE really good ejuice, you'll see that a) it's not hard at all, and b) you really don't have to get fancy with equipment and whatnot. I bought a 50ml graduated cylinder when I first started, over 2 yrs ago, and only in the last 6 months or so has it seen any use -- once I finally got off WTA and got my nic level down to something I can stick at for a while, and can start making 55-60ml at a time. But even now, I just use it for the initial mix of the "base" -- PG, nic, and VG -- pour that in the bottle, then add the flavors with syringes. Nothing fancy here at all.
But I'm not one that needs umpteen flavors a day; I smoked VA Slims in one variation or another for over 30 yrs; I've now been vaping my strawberry & cream pretty much exclusively for nearly 2 yrs -- it's the flavor I'm used to, it tastes "right," the way the same cigarettes tasted "right".
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I found the INW Virginia TA quite sweet mixed at 5%, better at 3%, it is a good tasting TA that adds to any tobac vape.
INW Garuda is one of my favs, adds the nice grassy/hay taste I like and I blend that into my Hangsens tobacs at 3-5% depending on the tobac used.
Hands down my most favorite is the RTS TA, its a way more potent grassy/hay taste than the Garuda.
I pretty well use Hangsen Desert Ship, Highway and No5 as my all round tobacco bases for most all my vaping needs and haven't dwelled very much into other companies, the few other companies I've tried have been in the most part disappointing or chemically tasting.
One of my ADV mixes is
4% HS Highway
3% RTS TA or INW Garuda
1% acetyl pyrazine
I don't heat steep nothing but let my mixes sit at least a month but with coming of winter again and since my vape desk is in the basement, it gets cool so I do warm up the VG some with hot tap water so it spins easier in my mixer.
Pre-mixed juice with NIC is usually vaped "as is", but nothing says you can't add things to it, or add it to other things.
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That was how I first started DIY!
I mixed a bit of Pipe Sauce Oak Barrel Cider and some Cinnamon Redhot into the Virginia I vaped when I first started. Andria
That's the advice I was looking for, Heabob. The 18mg/ml threw me, thinking that it was kind of pre-made but was to be used differently.
Now, if I can just remember where I had it in my cart. I hate when I don't write things down. Damn. Thanks a bunch!
I made a "flavors.txt" file on my Desktop to keep track of new flavors I want to try next, and/or need to re-order.
Way easier for me as I've not the greatest memory anymore either.
Based on what I've read this far, I think an Excel spreadsheet is in order to keep track. Any time I tweak it, I can adjust the spreadsheet. What kinds of flavors are you in to , Heabob? (I bought so much flavoring not knowing what I was doing. I'll surely need to unload a LOT of what I have and concentrate on flavors I really like. Creamy I like since I'm still high nic.
I also use a spreadsheet but it's for inventory only, hard to keep track of 400+ flavors
.Have gone completely full circle now, starting with Fruits/Creams and sweet Bakery stuff, then tobaccos,
and now back to Fruits with Vanilla/Cream, or Fruit Ice Creams, or Fruit Custards.
Tend to use a lot more INW flavors lately like Shisha Strawberry, Biscuit, INW Yummy Classic Cherimoya, etc.
Creams & Vanillas
TFA Dairy Milk/FW Milk/Hangsen Cream
CAP Creamy Yogurt/FA Yogurt
FA Condensed Milk (some don't like this but if used at 0.5% as an additive to other Creams it works for me)
TFA Vanilla Swirl, TFA DX Bavarian Cream, CAP Sweet Cream, TFA DX Sweet Cream
CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream/TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
INW Shisha Vanilla
DIYFS French Vanilla (better than Holy Vanilla IMO, and it tastes decent even stand alone at 5%)
CAP Vanilla Custard v1
FA Coconut (I use it at 0.5-1% for adding a more buttery/creamy effect)
FA Marshmallow (for adding some body, or mouthfeel, and a little sweetness)
I seem to prefer mixing the Vanillas & Creams together.
I too am into creamier flavors. I have many cream, vanilla, yogurt flavors. I wasn't aware that Coconut gives a buttery effect. Great news!
The Marshmallow flavor is also helpful. The milky flavors don't have the savory, full bodied vape that I enjoy.
I copied your post for future reference. I truly appreciate you sharing that with me, Heabob.
Thanks! BTW, I found that in my pre-made juices that are tobacco based, I use vanilla and a few drops of menthol. Quite smooth.
The Marshmallow flavor is also helpful. The milky flavors don't have the savory, full bodied vape that I enjoy.
I copied your post for future reference. I truly appreciate you sharing that with me, Heabob.
Thanks! BTW, I found that in my pre-made juices that are tobacco based, I use vanilla and a few drops of menthol. Quite smooth.
I sometimes add 0.25-0.5% of TFA mild black to various recipes.
Vanilla is also commonly used in real tobaccos from what I've heard.
And many Tobacco flavorings even have some already "built in".
They do seem to compliment each other for some reason.
Adding a small amount of Tobacco to a higher amount of Vanilla seems to also bring out more Vanilla taste IMHO.
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I think they put vanilla in pretty much everything -- even Play-Doh for some stupid reason. When I first tried CAP vanilla custard V2, the smell of it is EXACTLY like Play-Doh!
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