Celtic Fog
Tir Na Nog
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
LOL, Hey we all have opinions, at least you speak your mind and don't pull punches.
Become a Patron!
What’s Really Going On in China? COPIED from v4p3r.com
- Thread starter SMOKIE
- Start date
Midniteoyl
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
Fair enough... but people like you and me arent on youtube.. we are here, in a forum not owned by us. When you say 'reviewer' I tend to think more along the lines of someone who reviews for a living, not a random person on a forum. 'Reviewers' or 'critics' are given a sample to review. Its the way it works. Will that make them biased? Prolly. Will having someone send you something that AND advertise with you make you bias? I'd say ya.. But again, everyone does it. Its the only way outside of being independently wealthy of making it as a reviewer.
And BTW Celtic, it wasnt your post that made wanna leave.. Its the bullshit back and forth.. Cant stand it anymore.. Culling threads like this from my subscriptions..
Celtic Fog
Tir Na Nog
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
I hear you my man. Sometimes we as a group seam to love punching each other in the face....when its not really needed. If you keep your eyes open for them, there are tons of independent consumer reviews of vape products on the Tube, those are the ones I watch, usually if they have more than 1k views, ill pass on watching them. Keep it Foggy my man.
There are plenty of reviewers out there who buy product themselves. In fact, most reviewers start out that way...they review what they own, and if they gain enough popularity, that's when the freebies have potential to start rolling in.
I've taken a different approach with my reviews. I fully disclose whether or not I purchased a product myself or if it's a sponsored review with donated product. Most reviewers aren't that transparent. And honestly, I bought a Nemesis clone based on all the good things I heard about it, and I think it's a piece of crap. Had it been donated, I would've given it away, because I'll probably never use it again.
Yes, Bad Joe! Off to the Linguini mines with you for a month...
Oh yeah, that's *totally* the vape world. Not a bunch of lemmings at all. There are no stupid trends everybody feels compelled to follow mindlessly. Like, gee, I don't know, ridiculously overpowered mods? Ultra-superduper-microsubohm coils? That don't exist, nosiree...
I'll tell you what happens when you follow the advice of a dishonest reviewer: you buy the shit he raves about, you realize you've been diddled, and the reviewer hides behind the classic "this review only represents my own opinion" statement.
Many people do what you did, the manufacturer gets paid, the reviewer gets ad click revenues, and the rigmarole continues until the next must-have product-du-jour you absolutely need and can't live without comes along and deprecates the product you're unhappy with.
Unless the review was a particularly blatant plug, nobody who's been misled thinks of banding together and out the reviewer, because they've all lost interest, written off their loss, and are now busy buying the next hottest thing.
Want proof of that? Look in your vape box and ask yourself, in hindsight, what you honestly think of this or that thing you bought, based on a review you read or watched, and whether you'd buy it again today now that you yourself have seen and used it.
Last edited:
5150sick
Under Ground Hustler
Staff member
VU Administrator
Senior Moderator
VU Donator
Diamond Contributor
Press Corps
Member For 5 Years
Mod Team Leader
I honestly do not watch reviews to BUY stuff.
I will search out a review if i already own the product and i want to see different configurations or builds.
Or I will check out a review of a box mod I got with no directions in case there is anything I miss (The turn off button pattern for the touch sensor on the IPV V2 comes to mind).
I know one thing: I will never buy a metal tube again. ever!
I will search out a review if i already own the product and i want to see different configurations or builds.
Or I will check out a review of a box mod I got with no directions in case there is anything I miss (The turn off button pattern for the touch sensor on the IPV V2 comes to mind).
I know one thing: I will never buy a metal tube again. ever!
I watch reviews to get confirmation of my own opinion. I don't buy because of a review. We are a group obsessed with new equipment and we do jump on that new equipment as soon as we see a picture of it but we do that before we ever see a review. We read these forums and get even more worked up. The products never live up to our expectations and then we all bitch about it and go on to the next new product.
5150sick
Under Ground Hustler
Staff member
VU Administrator
Senior Moderator
VU Donator
Diamond Contributor
Press Corps
Member For 5 Years
Mod Team Leader
I was good for about 6 months.
i had what i needed and didn't need anything else.
I have drippers and high powered boxes but i had the kanger mega tank with a drilled out airhole with the .8 ohm (they usually read 1 ohm?) heads.
The subtank was an easy decision since kanger has always stood for quality even back since the T2 and MT3.
So that had really been my last purchase since the dark horse for 11 bucks from ohmbusters on eBay (couldn't pass up a nice dripper for 11 bucks!)
i had what i needed and didn't need anything else.
I have drippers and high powered boxes but i had the kanger mega tank with a drilled out airhole with the .8 ohm (they usually read 1 ohm?) heads.
The subtank was an easy decision since kanger has always stood for quality even back since the T2 and MT3.
So that had really been my last purchase since the dark horse for 11 bucks from ohmbusters on eBay (couldn't pass up a nice dripper for 11 bucks!)
Good point foggy, I totally do notice that when it comes to him and evolve products, but that's really the only case I've seen.
Celtic Fog
Tir Na Nog
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
I think its adorable, he gets all giddy like a school girl lol, I swear last time Brandon was on the show, Phil kept playing footsies with him lol.
No not footsies he was giving him a san fransico handshake.
Celtic Fog
Tir Na Nog
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
LOLOL
In all seriousness I'm gonna step back for a minute here. These guys are reviewing products as they come out, fresh outta the box. Of course they SHOULD work right for the first few weeks or so. However I have seen many reports from people on these forums of stuff shitting a brick in a month, random venting, buttons falling off, wonky connections, bad screens, just plain not working. Is any reviewer unless they get a complete pos outta the box gonna be able to talk about the longevity of any product? Thats the main information I want. Is this mod gonna blow up in a month? Unfortunately a brand new unproven device in a reviewers hand isn't gonna show its true flaws until the masses buy them. Those are the reasons I will stay away from certain manufacturers because of their history, no matter what Phil or anyone else says.
@Joshua Iles EXACTLY. Hell when vivi were still the shit I took a thumbs up review from fat bastardo... bought something he gave a a two thumbs up..
It shit the fucking bed, and sucked in ways I cannot describe.
His reviews based a day or two of use is his opinion.. but he tests it you say? so fucking what.
It shit the fucking bed, and sucked in ways I cannot describe.
His reviews based a day or two of use is his opinion.. but he tests it you say? so fucking what.
Total dick move, bro. You made me snort Mt. Dew out of my nose.
I think you're forgetting his love affair with Provape and all things Provari. You could tell he really had a hard time blessing the P3, but he managed it quite nicely. I really think he did his followers a disservice with the P3 review and should have been a bit more harsh with his recommendation, but the ties to Provape are strong. That's the best example I can give of Busardo serving the manufacturer rather than his followers. And I own a Provari 2.5 and P3, so I'm not talking shit really. I do know these products.
I honestly cannot see where the greek, bastardo, brandon and provari start and end. it is the human centipede of vaping.
You're right with the P3 Sick. The 2.5 was really state of the art at 15watts when released. That was high voltage vaping for that time period. The pinnacle of power and style. But fast forward a few years and the P3 is woefully inadequate for todays vaping standard. I can't even run a decent clearo on it now, like the Atlantis or the Subtank, much less an RDA that is going to perform well. Yes it will fire the Subtank at 20 watts and be barely vapeable (but only if you use the 1.2ohm coil or the rebuild base at higher than 0.7ohm and no more than 20 watts), but it won't even fire an Atlantis or Suntank with the 0.5ohm coil. Sad really for a company like Provape that was a legend in vaping for so long. But P Absurdo had no problem claiming the P3 a resounding success. And this was a $250.00 mod he was recommending to his viewers. Really? He pretty much lost my trust at that point.
A $250 20 watt mod? I don't go over 10 watts, but seriously? My istick for like $30 will do that.
Er... you may express your opinion of people, as I do. But personally I draw the line at poking fun at people's names. Why? Because while they can choose to do what they do, that you disagree with, they can't choose their name.
Phil Busardo is Phil Busardo. That's his name. You shouldn't use no other name. Just sayin'...
Phil Busardo is Phil Busardo. That's his name. You shouldn't use no other name. Just sayin'...
Part of the greatest thing about free speech, is it being free.
ApeMustNotKillVape
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
Oh the irony from a guy parents named Butters Scotch.
Open season on anyone who thinks they are SELLebrity.
It is pretty transparent when a guy recommends a $250 product with the same capability and two less buttons than a $30 iStick.
People still recommend those robot dildos to new vapors, and try to justify the price to former smoking costs.
I think it's been obvious that Busardo's reputation as an unbiased reviewer went out the window a long time ago. Even if you were on the fence before, his latest review (post-China trip) should be the final nail in the coffin.
He's been wined and dined. He's been to the factory and rubbed elbows. He's seen how hard little Ling Ling works to provide for her family.
He's been wined and dined. He's been to the factory and rubbed elbows. He's seen how hard little Ling Ling works to provide for her family.
They are going the mainstream route like IBM did with PC's. Not the fastest, but utterly reliable and built well.
UncleRJ
Will write reviews for Beer!
Staff member
Senior Moderator
VU Donator
Platinum Contributor
Member For 4 Years
ECF Refugee
Reviewer
Moderator
I have been known to post a review from time to time.
On hardware, I keep notes and only put fat greasy fingers to keyboard after a minimum of using it for something like 3 to 5 weeks.
Plenty of time for the device to fail on me and for me to learn its quirks.
IMHO, if a regulated device holds up to dialy use for that amount of time, it should last a good long while unless something causes it to fail. Like dropping it or somehow getting E-Liquid into the electronics.
Or the surprisingly common "Death By Toilet"
On hardware, I keep notes and only put fat greasy fingers to keyboard after a minimum of using it for something like 3 to 5 weeks.
Plenty of time for the device to fail on me and for me to learn its quirks.
IMHO, if a regulated device holds up to dialy use for that amount of time, it should last a good long while unless something causes it to fail. Like dropping it or somehow getting E-Liquid into the electronics.
Or the surprisingly common "Death By Toilet"
Also V4P3R, I meant to ask you: what's your angle in this? My critical mind can't help wondering whether you get paid by Disqus when you drive traffic to your blog...
Don't take this the wrong way: I'm asking because, as the saying goes, when one criticizes somebody's body odor, he'd better make sure he's taken a shower. In the interest of impartiality, considering how you bash Busardo, I reckon you should disclose your own (potential) sources of income here.
Last edited:
Or the surprisingly common "Death By Toilet"
That's actually the second most lethal situation for mobile phones next to dropping them on the concrete.
Nope, not taken the wrong way at all. To get one thing out of the way right off the bat: I use Disqus as a comment platform, and nothing more. My site is published with WordPress and their comment system is ugly and wonky to navigate and moderate. Disqus has a promotional option (called Discovery) that can generate income, but I don't participate in it. You have to first pay into it to promote your site so that it shows up elsewhere on the internet. I use Disqus because it's a better, not because it has revenue potential.
While this vaping site is brand new, this isn't my first rodeo. Experience has taught me that being wishy-washy is not the way to go. People don't want to read that crap. If you're going to have a voice, make it a loud one. Some people will join you with a raised fist, and others will simply scream back at you...evidenced by this thread and the widespread controversy that this article has sparked. As I said, this isn't my first rodeo. None of this is by accident.
My goal with V4P3R.com is to challenge the other vaping media sites. There is a story here and no one else is covering it. Obviously Phil and Dimitri have legions of fans, but as all of this has clearly shown, they raise a lot of eyebrows as well. Some will call it muckraking. Others will appreciate that someone finally stood up and said, "Hey. What the fuck is going on here?"
I agree with this and brought this up to a few YT reviwers when I first started vaping... I tend to think The reviewer who has gotten the product for free can be a tad bias knowing or unknowingly... Many factors can play with that as in what is the reviewers nature... Nice guy, Asshole..ect...The Nice guy maybe unknowingly or knowingly could give a somewhat good review on a semi bad product because he got it for free where the asshole might tell it straight but again they got it for free so it might be a bit nicer then if they bought the product out of pocket...Now you have the reviwer just who bought it... Nice guy or not they spent the money on it and that's where I believe you will find the true review... I stopped watching any person who got the product for free a long time ago...Just knowing human nature
5150sick
Under Ground Hustler
Staff member
VU Administrator
Senior Moderator
VU Donator
Diamond Contributor
Press Corps
Member For 5 Years
Mod Team Leader
I remember some of the phones actually had a light that would stay lit (Mororola maybe?) and wouldn't go away if the phone showed water damage.
That way you couldn't leave it in a bowl of rice for a couple days and return it as 'broken' since they didn't cover water damage in their damage replacement plans
5150sick
Under Ground Hustler
Staff member
VU Administrator
Senior Moderator
VU Donator
Diamond Contributor
Press Corps
Member For 5 Years
Mod Team Leader
Big Lou comes to mind in that video where he flips out on the hana box.
He wasn't even talking about that mod to begin with but just flipped out in the middle of the video.
Here:
It gets good at around 9:00
Big Lou is the best reviewer out there IMHO. I have an interview with him coming up...should be interesting LOL.
I remember some time ago There was a class action suit with phone companies in the southern states that the "water damage" indicator in phones was showing water damage just from the humidity...and that the phone companies where getting out of a lot of phone problems stating it was from water when in fact it wasn't....The phone companies lost...I remember something being said about the world is 70+% water and that the "water damage" indicators were to sensitive...The phone companies had to make them less sensitive
Celtic Fog
Tir Na Nog
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
I like Big Lou, he is a real dude.
Midniteoyl
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
5150sick
Under Ground Hustler
Staff member
VU Administrator
Senior Moderator
VU Donator
Diamond Contributor
Press Corps
Member For 5 Years
Mod Team Leader
I'd trust Big Lou's word over most of the 'vape famous' reviewers out there.
Reviews don't even guide me in any direction at all because by now all of us (we are all active members of a vaping forum) know what we like.
It doesn't really matter how many thumbs down busardo gives the istick.
You already know in advance if you are going to buy it or not.
If you like the looks of it and see a couple of forum friends that like it and don't have any problems with it then you are going to buy it.
You notice Phil never gives all thumbs down. Doesn't matter how bad the product is.
Innokin can mail him a dog turd by accident and he'd be like "i like the way is slides through my fingers when i squeeze it. so thumbs up there"
Reviews don't even guide me in any direction at all because by now all of us (we are all active members of a vaping forum) know what we like.
It doesn't really matter how many thumbs down busardo gives the istick.
You already know in advance if you are going to buy it or not.
If you like the looks of it and see a couple of forum friends that like it and don't have any problems with it then you are going to buy it.
You notice Phil never gives all thumbs down. Doesn't matter how bad the product is.
Innokin can mail him a dog turd by accident and he'd be like "i like the way is slides through my fingers when i squeeze it. so thumbs up there"
I get a lot of my info now from people on boards like this one and a few non 'vape famous' YT's
Sorry. Photoshop is a dangerous thing.
Yep, authentic, no bullshit and right to the point.
5150sick
Under Ground Hustler
Staff member
VU Administrator
Senior Moderator
VU Donator
Diamond Contributor
Press Corps
Member For 5 Years
Mod Team Leader
"and today I received this exciting new product from Innokin. Gee, it almost looks like a dog turd..."
Sorry. Photoshop is a dangerous thing.
I especially like the reviews when a reviewer gets a primo mechanical mod. I saw one (forget the reviewer) where the mod was titanium and had 18 karat solid gold contacts with a gold plated silver spring in the switch. Get ready for vape budget hands, $850. Why the fuck would they even review something that only 1 out of a million people would buy? Because they got it sent to them for free.
For $850 I want hookers and Champagne to come with the mod.
For $850 I want hookers and Champagne to come with the mod.
He did vape a turd once, I guess Dmitri made it as a joke. He gave it some thumbs up too.