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vaperature

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Seriously how old are you? Journalist?
Don't insult the term "journalist" by referring to this guy as one. He's a freakin' forty year old 12 year old with a keyboard, nothing more.
 

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Don't insult the term "journalist" by referring to this guy as one. He's a freakin' forty year old 12 year old with a keyboard, nothing more.
He said he participated is several forums that self destructed. Look at what the guy is posting, it makes more sense why the forums he participated blew up. He already said he does not interacting with humans in the real world, and prefers the internet, for the last 14 years or something like that, witness the result.
 

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He said he participated is several forums that self destructed. Look at what the guy is posting, it makes more sense why the forums he participated blew up. He already said he does not interacting with humans in the real world, and prefers the internet, for the last 14 years or something like that, witness the result.
The guy's a shill. A). Never even smoked. B). Probably doesn't even vape. C). No journalism background whatsoever. D). Claim to fame is plagiarizing Joe's comments on Mod Envy. E). Refuses to answer a single question about himself (meaning hiding something). F). Admits his sole purpose is to make people argue and to get more hits by upsetting people (definition of troll) = Phony baloney journalist having a mid-life crisis who can't afford the red Ferrari so creates a blog instead.
 

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The guy's a shill. A). Never even smoked. B). Probably doesn't even vape. C). No journalism background whatsoever. D). Claim to fame is plagiarizing Joe's comments on Mod Envy. E). Refuses to answer a single question about himself (meaning hiding something). F). Admits his sole purpose is to make people argue and to get more hits by upsetting people (definition of troll). Phony baloney journalist having a mid-life crisis who can't afford the red Ferrari so creates a blog instead.

Did you notice V3P4R is against advocates for Vaping. He was challenged to back up whatever ideas he had, and then he said he was just asking questions he had not ideas. He has be asked many times for what his point is on the China article, why reviewers and recommended like VaporJoe are compromised, and a bunch more. All he has is questions, since has been vaping for less than 60 days it makes some sense.

His MO is when asked for anything he just backs up, acts as dumb as is the evidence of his true skills, leaves the room, and then comes back saying, So There!
 

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Did you notice V3P4R is against advocates for Vaping. He was challenged to back up whatever ideas he had, and then he said he was just asking questions he had not ideas. He has be asked many times for what his point is on the China article, why reviewers and recommended like VaporJoe are compromised, and a bunch more. All he has is questions, since has been vaping for less than 60 days it makes some sense.

His MO is when asked for anything he just backs up, acts as dumb as is the evidence of his true skills, leaves the room, and then comes back saying, So There!
Did you see him on Mod Envy? Even Joe was like, "Man, you are NOT what I expected" because v4p3r was posting some phony baloney photo of a "cool" looking guy instead of his own at his site. And when Joe asked how he came up with the idea to write what he wrote, he said "because I heard you say it last week." Lol. And he was wearing an identical hat. Lol. And then he just sat there like a potato without a single original thought for the entire half hour. It was hilarious.
 

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My work here is done. Good, just in time for lunch.
Work? I mean geez you complain about people who are being advocates/activists to keep vaping, and flavors able to be used in the most amount of places approrpiate, to keep it the rights of employers to choose if their restuarants can allow or disallow as a private business owner, which is what Roger was reposting.

I honestly don't know if he was the source or just actively getting the word out to local vape shops, either way, not a bad thing....except in your eyes.

V4P3R if you have a purpose, its unclear to me. Its obviously not to increase discussion. You seem most happy when someone identifies you as POS. The question is why? I am fine with this being in the U MAD BRO section, but where is your dignity when you say, and I quote you " 'm rubber and you're glue. Anything mean you say bounces off of me and sticks to you. Big meanie poo poo head that you are."

I have never heard a grown man say thing like that, what is the point you have to make, what is the message of being ant-advocate, and why will you not engage in a discussion on merits.

You said you had teenagers sons, I am wondering if that is who is doing the writing here.
 

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Work? I mean geez you complain about people who are being advocates/activists to keep vaping, and flavors able to be used in the most amount of places approrpiate, to keep it the rights of employers to choose if their restuarants can allow or disallow as a private business owner, which is what Roger was reposting.

I honestly don't know if he was the source or just actively getting the word out to local vape shops, either way, not a bad thing....except in your eyes.

V4P3R if you have a purpose, its unclear to me. Its obviously not to increase discussion. You seem most happy when someone identifies you as POS. The question is why? I am fine with this being in the U MAD BRO section, but where is your dignity when you say, and I quote you " 'm rubber and you're glue. Anything mean you say bounces off of me and sticks to you. Big meanie poo poo head that you are."

I have never heard a grown man say thing like that, what is the point you have to make, what is the message of being ant-advocate, and why will you not engage in a discussion on merits.

You said you had teenagers sons, I am wondering if that is who is doing the writing here.
He has a purpose. To generated revenue from the ads at his "blog".
 

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V3P4R, and you claim to be a photographer, and took someone else's photo, and modified it, plus its Wiz Khalifa using drugs, NOT vaping. Why not use your own work, you are the photographer.
 

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V3P4R, and you claim to be a photographer, and took someone else's photo, and modified it, plus its Wiz Khalifa using drugs, NOT vaping. Why not use your own work, you are the photographer.
Because if people saw this
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instead of a "cool" tattooed person blowing a cloud like this

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would anyone take his unoriginal diatribes seriously?

Also seems rather Freudian that he's blaming it on the "black guy".
 
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InMyImage, reaching back 4 months. Perhaps you should put it into context, you accused a juice maker who just spent over 50K verifying and reformulating her juice, and getting lab testing for the end product to consumers, and published it, --- You assert she had fabricated the lab tests, and then said you were done talking. You had also bragged about you super duper mastery of logic earlier. So you wanted to shit on a vendor, working on Diacetyl and walk away. Read the whole reply. Snipping it out of context. Congrats for you?
First, thank you for proving yourself to be a liar and that you can't be trusted based on your own assertions on the subject.

Secondly the reason I left that thread and from what I continued to see from you in future encounters is that you simply do not read things closely enough to grasp the context of what is being said. Nowhere in that thread did I accuse the vendor of lying. If you go back and read carefully you will find that I indicated that it was possible that she had fabricated the data she presented just as she accused other vendors and researchers of doing.

The issue that instead of blindly thanking her and praising her, I felt that you needed to put a little more time and effort into validating what she said, especially given the assertions that she made saying that others doing the same as she had done lied about their results.

Given your track record I really don't expect you to grasp that even if you do go back and read it because you tend to only see what you want to see and have a habit lying (see above for your own definitions and then your evidence of falling within that definition) and twisting things to say what you want them to say and then arguing adnosium based on your incorrect assertions of what was actually said to you, or said to anyone for that matter...

It is the main reason why you don't get me irritated and I find you entertaining. Much as it pains me to say it, @V4P3R eMAG do have that in common, only I go about entertaining myself at your expense in a different way.
 
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It is the main reason why you don't get me irritated and I find you entertaining. Much as it pains me to say it, @V4P3R eMAG do have that in common, only I go about entertaining myself at your expense in a different way.
It's amusing pulling their strings, isn't it? Dance, puppets, dance!

@tombaker is just genuinely confused. Perhaps over or under medicated? Tinfoil hat on too tight? I don't know.

@vaperature on the other hand...LOL. Classic troll. He's textbook butthurt and grasping at any straw he can to validate himself. Pretty ironic for a guy who can't even publish a book using his real name. He comes unglued so easily that it's not even worth responding to him anymore.

In either case, neither one of them have anything of value worth responding to. They twist words and outright make shit up whenever it suits them, so it is what it is. It's amusing to read, but for my part, zero fucks are given. Their mediocre skills would be better suited for Reddit or YouTube comments.
 

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It's amusing pulling their strings, isn't it? Dance, puppets, dance!

@tombaker is just genuinely confused. Perhaps over or under medicated? Tinfoil hat on too tight? I don't know.

@vaperature on the other hand...LOL. Classic troll. He's textbook butthurt and grasping at any straw he can to validate himself. Pretty ironic for a guy who can't even publish a book using his real name. He comes unglued so easily that it's not even worth responding to him anymore.

In either case, neither one of them have anything of value worth responding to. They twist words and outright make shit up whenever it suits them, so it is what it is. It's amusing to read, but for my part, zero fucks are given. Their mediocre skills would be better suited for Reddit or YouTube comments.
Blah blah blah you're so idiotic you can't even recognize your own hypocrisy. Here you are posting your shit under a pseudonym while implying there's something sinister about me publishing under a pseudonym. You have the intelligence of a raw potato.
 

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Wow, a grown man who has now used the term "butthurt" twice in one hour. Yeah, we should all take your phony baloney "investigative research" seriously. Lol.
 

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:(All I know is, that my level of respect for several forum members is now in question... :(
Don't worry. There's a light at the end of this tunnel. The last two threads this fraud posted got completely ignored, no views, no comments. He was a flash in the pan who blew his wad too early. Now he'll just continue trolling while deflecting his troll behavior onto others until he grows weary. Maybe he'll take up chess next when he gets sick of vaping.
 

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Funny you should bring that up. Almost forgot to mention, I'll be on two vaping podcasts this week. Be sure to tune in.
 

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Funny you should bring that up. Almost forgot to mention, I'll be on two vaping podcasts this week. Be sure to tune in.

WHO CARES? Lol. Who gives a fuck? Is that suppose to mean something? Lol.
 

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WHO CARES? Lol. Who gives a fuck? Is that suppose to mean something? Lol.
Just thought I'd let my biggest fan know. I mean, you're stalking me everywhere I go. Want my phone number?

Hey I just met you
And this is crazy
But here's my number
So call me maybe
It's hard to look right at you baby
But here's my number
So call me maybe
 

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Just thought I'd let my biggest fan know. I mean, you're stalking me everywhere I go. Want my phone number?

Hey I just met you
And this is crazy
But here's my number
So call me maybe
It's hard to look right at you baby
But here's my number
So call me maybe
What? Now I'm "stalking you" everywhere you go? I've been here, true, but where else have I been "stalking" you. Why don't you stop telling freakin lies already. And how old are you anyway? Are you seriously telling us this is the first time you're on a "podcast". Lol. WTF? Dude, I can't even count how many "podcasts" I've been on, also I've been on CNN, ABC Good Morning America, CBS News, NBC News and WGN, I mean, if we're comparing dicks here or something. Wow, you're on a podcast. LOL. Hahahaha. Oh my god.
 

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Phew. Guys, this pissing contest is getting old. It seems as if there is an effort to get the last word in, in a petty squabble.
For my part, it's been entertaining. But, you're absolutely right, so I'll just walk away. I have better things to do.
 

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For my part, it's been entertaining. But, you're absolutely right, so I'll just walk away. I have better things to do.
Lol, this is like the dozenth time this guy has said he's "walking away". He says stuff like that rather than just answering direct questions. It's called deflecting and obfuscating. For example, he accused me of "stalking him everywhere." When I asked a simple question, exactly where have I been stalking him??, instead of answering, he's once again "walking away".

Now I'm walking away, not because I'm tired but because I have to go to WalMart. I could go head to head with this phony all day. The only problem is wiping away the tears and my gut hurting from laughter over how oblivious he is.

Hopefully someone in the "podcast" (lol) will put someone this guy has trashed in the room with him and see if he can have an honest debate or not, because he sure hasn't demonstrated any ability here that's for sure.
 
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Reported this post for the rule problems, I won't respond until its dispositioned. Vaping Underground supposedly some had standards and rules, I'll wait. If they close the thread because they can not be bothered, it would be a disappointment.



I'll respond to this by quoting Joe, you will need to deal with it or do not read this thread

Are we really going to start making reaction posts to people who decide not to come to VU anymore? :D :D I honestly think its a waste of bits and bytes.. but we allow free speech and conversation - so have at it.

Thread re-opened.
I also urge you to remember you are in possession of an ignore button as well, That goes for all posters here.
 
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Because if people saw this
3c16e0f.jpg

instead of a "cool" tattooed person blowing a cloud like this

600_1400297841_taylor_gang_and_wiz_khalifa_perform_at_the_fader_fort_during_sxsw_2014_5_1920x12_15.jpg


would anyone take his unoriginal diatribes seriously?

Also seems rather Freudian that he's blaming it on the "black guy".

Everyone knows because he was on Mod Envy with about 1200 people in the room.
He is also probably going to get a show in the near future.
Blaming it on "the black guy" is a bit of a stretch.
 

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He's just mad. Mad because I trolled him back. Mad because I won't troll him back. He's got his own fucked up spin to put on everything that is or isn't posted. I haven't even bothered responding to half of his BS because it's so far out in left field, it's just laughable. Haters gonna hate.

Normal people understand that this is a brand. It's an image. I never claimed that was me in that photo, but he goes on some kind of witch hunt just to prove a point to himself that there is no depth of creepy that he isn't willing to explore. For now, at least the adults can talk. It seems his mom has called him up from his basement lair for some mac and cheese.
 

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i can see a day when everyone either a) is on a lame reality tv show or b) has their own lame internet show.

then they can all watch each other being lame. :p
 

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Everyone knows because he was on Mod Envy with about 1200 people in the room.
He is also probably going to get a show in the near future.
Blaming it on "the black guy" is a bit of a stretch.

Splash some water on face, WAKE UP MAN....geez...., 2700 in room last year, 1300 this year, next stop 600 next year. Joe you are getting fished in to what you see is your reflection in a puddle. Its a puddle of piss. The point was this photog extrodinaire took a picture of a very well known drug user, famously drug user, too a very identifiable public figure using drugs, clipped the roach, and is saying this artist you may know, is a vaper. Nope, he is toking a spliff. There are actually other recording artists that are actually vapers

The clone that just falls apart after a few usage, ENVY show, coming to PUlive. By all means. Up next, a guy who used jumper cables to start a car once, giving expert advice on how to rebuild a transmission.

There are so many different voices in this echo chamber, thought the fool.
 

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I'll respond to this by quoting Joe, you will need to deal with it or do not read this thread


I also urge you to remember you are in possession of an ignore button as well, That goes for all posters here.
Alrighty then. Be assured that will, be the last time I respond to a thread, with a post that I am reporting for rules violations. I think there is some gems in this thread, buried, like tears in the rain.
 

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For now, at least the adults can talk. It seems his mom has called him up from his basement lair for some mac and cheese.
Do you read your own writing?
 

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Funny you should bring that up. Almost forgot to mention, I'll be on two vaping podcasts this week. Be sure to tune in.
Which ones? After you say, "I am just asking question, I have no positions I am willing to defend or support, and I think that Vaping is just fine and dandy and not under any threat of harsh regulations, and that there is no reason at all for advocacy" After you say that, what else you gonna say?
When will you be on? Which shows? Do share
 

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.....only I go about entertaining myself at your expense in a different way.
Yuck, get a room for you and yourself, and don't bother to share the details.
 

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This is a tool for me because I have Asperger's Syndrome and like you tend to offend, patronize and belittle people IRL without intending to or understanding that I have done it because I'm focused on the topic and not the person. I'm detached from the people and just want to tackle the problem without their interference after they have given me the information or access/tools to do what I need. They can't keep up so they need to get out of my way...

Nobody can keep up with you? That's the ticket. You offend, by patronizing and belittling people IRL? Sorry to tell you that has nothing to do with being anything but an asshole to others. If you were to focus on the problem, you would find out, being an holier than though asshole with a placard EXCUSE, as defense, is a problem.

When you patronized a thread saying you had such mastery of logic, and then tantrumed off, you still remember post I sent, disassembling you "so fast nobody can keep up" logic.

Its not a disease to not be able to admit you are wrong on anything. Being a jackass is entirely a choice by you, and your ego. You say you offend, you don't think its a problem, you can work on problems so so fast, but you got none. Look up BF Skinner, you have the ability of change.
 

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Just when you thought it was safe, our resident Tinfoil Hat Wearer, @tombaker climbs out from under his bridge with more made up bullshit.

Can we petition to give him that title? Seriously. Where do I sign up? This guy is comedy gold.
 

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I honestly was very surprised by Roger's post but I have to think that there were other items that added to his decision. Every interaction I have had with him in the past has been enjoyable. He participated quite a bit in the AU thread up until December and I have no idea what happened to make him stop posting there, but I think that may be the "in crowd" you speak of.

That being said, I actually don't remember there being that many posts in his departure thread that were actually directed at him. Before deciding that it wasn't worth continuing to post in, I asked for @V4P3R eMAG to clarify his insinuation that Roger was part of TVM, which he deflected and @vaperature picked up the same theme from there.

Unfortuantely it is obvious that the only goal that @V4P3R eMAG has in posting is to stir up controversy as a means to drive traffic to his site. I did visit to read the article and simply found it to be a simplistic layman's explanation of the income reporting requirements of non-profit corporations. It didn't have anything deep or meaningful in it. It just simply stated that they are required by law to make their financials available and that when he contacted them (without stating who or how he contacted them) only one actually sent him what he requested. He didn't even say how long he waited for a response, and given the size and activity of the organizations in question it wouldn't surprise me if requests like those were a low priority to reply to, especially given that the documents generally need to be made consumable by the public, and if they were not prepared for that it takes some time to put them together.

The facts that I have come to realize is that he has no professional or educational experience in journalism. As previously stated by @vaperature, he is unproffessional and rude for the purpose of creating activity on his site because a site's activity by itself affects search result rankings in engines like google and bing. He actually said that in a veiled fashion in one of his posts indicating that haters don't realize that he loves them and the fact that they won't understand why. Well... site traffic and mentions in forums and other sites that are crawled by search engines extend his reach and increase the visibility of his site.

His goal is to be the National Enquirer of the vaping world and if fed he will succeed, if ignored he will become irrelevant.
Well said, a very reasoned post, I find myself agreeing with the majority of what you wrote. FWIW, my understanding is that the Roger of the title of this thread, is simply an active member of the The Vaping Militia, trying to get the word out about various local governments trying to wrongfully restrict vaping. Even if I am not a fan of him (if is because I don't really think about it, I read the news he posts, and sometimes I first read it from him), I still see and respect his contribution.
 
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Everyone knows because he was on Mod Envy with about 1200 people in the room.
He is also probably going to get a show in the near future.
Blaming it on "the black guy" is a bit of a stretch.
And I was one of those people Joe. Good show. I appreciate it. What I don't appreciate is sloppy, unprofessional, plagiarized tabloid journalism. If you want to celebrate that on your show, more power to you. It's your show. That isn't going to change the way I look at it though.
 
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He's just mad. Mad because I trolled him back. Mad because I won't troll him back. He's got his own fucked up spin to put on everything that is or isn't posted. I haven't even bothered responding to half of his BS because it's so far out in left field, it's just laughable. Haters gonna hate.

Normal people understand that this is a brand. It's an image. I never claimed that was me in that photo, but he goes on some kind of witch hunt just to prove a point to himself that there is no depth of creepy that he isn't willing to explore. For now, at least the adults can talk. It seems his mom has called him up from his basement lair for some mac and cheese.
Stealing someone else's photo of a celebrity that you have no rights to is your brand??? Figures, lol.
 

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