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You can use the net to come here but need to ask that!? 
Nice try.
Dumberg.
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Troll. Him.
most likely, but JIC educate them...
Yeah. You are a good guy no ifs. Very kind doing so.
But if true, the Troll, and one comes to a dedicated vape site like this. Its like going to a say Tire (our Tyre for cars site) then asks on that exact site, instead of saying "Hi im new guys any info on the best tyres for my.......car. ?" But says "Hi where can I buy tyres? As if!
Who on earth goes to a tire/tyre site and asks to be directed to somewhere else to get tire/tyre info elsewhere?
TROLLS
I figure it takes less time and effort topost a link then to get my BP elevated...
Here's a good link to post.
On the point of the OP's question, here's a quick search for "sources" of information regarding that. As with any medically related issue it's up to each individual with appropriate consulting of their doctor.
I nor any "sources" can tell you positively that X will work for Y in your case. All you can do is try it and see, if you and your doctor think it may be feasible.
Everything in life and even life itself is one big crap shoot. All you can do is roll the dice, it'll be what it'll be.
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so post it
He did just click on the word "Link"
I know, just don't care
It can, or it cannot. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. One must really want to give up smoking.
Smoking cessation??? I was told it would make me irresistibly attractive to women.
No, it will repulse women because of the horrid fruity or creamy or sweet stench all over you.Smoking cessation??? I was told it would make me irresistibly attractive to women.
And it will re-normalize smoking. And slavery. And crucifixion.
It will make you addicted to nicotine for the rest of your life then for all eternity in Hell.
It will alter your brain chemistry. Plus its physics, astronomy, and archaeology.
You'll be inhaling fatal levels of toxic metals like lead & kryptonite. And metal dinosaurs will attack you.
Your 4th-hand vapor will give cancer to everyone you encounter. Or don't.
It will turn you into a Marvel Comics super-villain.
Worst of all, it will make you waste your time posting sarcasm on a vaping forum. *shudder*
Vaping is a contagious disease. I gave up smoking by switching to vaping. As a dire consequence, so did my mother, and then my husband. By my own hand, I doomed them both to vaping for the rest of their miserable lives, and it's all my fault.
Be very careful before you choose to make that choice. Big tobacco is depending on you.
Be very careful before you choose to make that choice. Big tobacco is depending on you.
...But AFTER it drinks, it will produce Heineken!
Clydesdales produce Budweiser....But AFTER it drinks, it will produce Heineken!
My brain has been f**ked since birth, vaping is too late. Ha ha! Kryptonite only effects Superman. I am Silly Man, no Kyrptonite will bother me!
Metal dinosaurs? Sign me up, I got my oxy-acytlene torch handy, might make up some pretty sculptures.Ah, I'm already succumbing to becoming a Marvel Comics super villain it seems. *sigh* Guess I'll need to go set my anti-Hulk traps. He could really pound my butt, double entendre and innuendo intended.
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Metal dinosaur? I got my angle grinders. I suppose I could either kill it or make a pet out of it. As a pet, it could assist me in my villainous duties. Dead, it could be turned into any variety of things such as lawn ornaments and kitchen knives. Hubby got me a better welder for our anniversary.
Clydesdales are draft horses. Why it's called draft beer I guess.Clydesdales produce Budweiser.
It's similar to a liquid cat, only different.
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thank you for sharing your thoughts
y Personal Experience I tried Quitting Smoking many times over the years and I was only able to Quit Cold Turkey by using an E-Cig.
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another namby pamby anti-vaping activist caught baiting on our forums, busted by sarcasm.
another namby pamby anti-vaping activist caught baiting on our forums, busted by sarcasm.
So you want me is what you're saying...
nethanpaul
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Ok if this isn’t a bad joke and you’re genuinely struggling to get the answer, so here is it. Says researcher Thomas Eissenberg of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond “Current evidence suggests that there is a potential for smokers to reduce their health risks if electronic cigarettes are used in place of tobacco cigarettes and are considered a step toward ending all tobacco and nicotine use”. Vaping has negligible amounts of chemicals compared to a tobacco cigarette. So vaping is obviously a better alternative.
Alright, I nabbed:
I let Ecosia do a search for that. Saw the first two links and looked at the articles linked. I used Firefox's cntrl+f search and find feature. Could not locate the quote by said person who said it, in either article.
So then, I had to fucking use Google again. Can I please ask that if anyone posts links to articles, pro or con of vaping, they post direct links to said articles.
There is valid rationale for being against using Google as a means of searching the web & Internet. For one thing it has created an advertising monopoly. For another forget any notion of privacy. For a third, fuck spammers, robo-callers, bulk mailers, credit card companies, malicious folks.
Also as a positive aside and side effect the search via Ecosia does plant trees, and help people all over the world. They also serve to link to the B Corporation Directory. All in these are the "good guys" actually trying to help.
It really isn't difficult to take less than a minute to post a direct link to an article. That's what the whole idea of the damn web is about anyway, linking to stuff. It lets us better communicate, express ourselves. Thank you.
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The Management Staff at Acme
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You're going to give the poor guy a headache. Does he know the difference between bacon and sausage links? Does he care about search engines? Does he know which ones are two-stroke?Alright, I nabbed:
I let Ecosia do a search for that. Saw the first two links and looked at the articles linked. I used Firefox's cntrl+f search and find feature. Could not locate the quote by said person who said it, in either article.
So then, I had to fucking use Google again. Can I please ask that if anyone posts links to articles, pro or con of vaping, they post direct links to said articles.
There is valid rationale for being against using Google as a means of searching the web & Internet. For one thing it has created an advertising monopoly. For another forget any notion of privacy. For a third, fuck spammers, robo-callers, bulk mailers, credit card companies, malicious folks.
Also as a positive aside and side effect the search via Ecosia does plant trees, and help people all over the world. They also serve to link to the B Corporation Directory. All in these are the "good guys" actually trying to help.
It really isn't difficult to take less than a minute to post a direct link to an article. That's what the whole idea of the damn web is about anyway, linking to stuff. It lets us better communicate, express ourselves. Thank you.
Signed
The Management Staff at Acme
I can't imagine ever smoking again. Vaping is like a lifestyle for me.
Well you won't easily find studies or statistics here in the US, since our nanny government wants to kill us all. There have been studies done in the UK, where they have allowed vape shops to open in hospitals, to help the hospitalized and visitors (here in the US we get McDonalds restaurants in hospitals).
I believe this is the earliest UK study:
E-cigarettes: an evidence update
An expert review of the latest evidence concludes that e-cigarettes are around 95% safer than smoked tobacco and they can help smokers to quit.
and there have been updates.
Smoking cigarettes is the inhalation of smoke from burning plant matter infused with chemical additives that make cigarettes more addictive. Vaping is the inhalation of a liquid vaporized on a coil. The liquid is made of propylene glycol (PG), vegetable glycerin (VG), liquid nicotine and flavoring.
Propylene glycol is the carrier liquid for the medicine in asthma inhalers, and for other inhaled medicines for lung diseases. PG has antiseptic properties among others.
Vegetable glycerin has many internal medical applications, such as ear drops, eye drops, suppositories and other things. It is also used in toothpaste, bath and body products, and in foods. A less pure version can be found on the cake decorating aisle of the grocery store, for use in cake icing. VG has mild antiseptic and preservative properties.
Liquid nicotine, when divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives, is a mild stimulant like caffeine, though it is more addictive than caffeine. Pharmaceutical nicotine has had positive applications in the treatment of cognitive diseases of old age, and in irritable bowel syndrome.
The flavorings are a question mark for many. What may be perfectly clean and safe to eat, perhaps shouldn't be taken into the lungs. I'm willing to accept peoples' concerns and vape unflavored when I'm around others.
When I began vaping it was the first step toward quitting cigarettes altogether, which I achieved about six weeks after my first vape, almost ten years ago. My lungs began to heal, including a chronic irritation I had on one side, and I stopped coughing, stopped having bronchitis all winter, stopped having it at all.
Are there any official surveys of how many people have stopped smoking by vaping? I really don't know. In this country no medical or scientific entity is interested, at least not that I know of. Anecdotally I can tell you that I know a dozen people who quit cigarettes permanently by vaping. This forum will show you hundreds of people talking about the miracle that saved their lives, which is vaping.
I do not believe I would ever have stopped smoking, had it not been for my good friends who clued me into vaping, a married couple who were celebrating their first anniversary of being completely free from cigarettes.
My dad and one of my uncles died from emphysema. I was following them into the graveyard by smoking just like they did, because the demon tobacco has a powerful hold on its victims.
I don't have all the answers, but I hope this gets you started. More info is available if you want it, from hundreds of users commenting in this thread, from videos you can watch on YouTube, and in other sources. More info if you want it, but you shouldn't be surprised if members of this forum suspect you of being a troll, out to get someone to say the wrong thing and get this valuable site shut down.
As they say, GFL.
Liquid nicotine, when divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives, is a mild stimulant like caffeine, though there exists no scientific evidence to support the claim that it is addictive. None whatsoever.
Notice how the term "nicotine addiction" is always referring to burning tobacco smoke:
Nicotine Addiction
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The harmful effects caused by long-term consumption of "liquid nicotine divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives" in humans have NOT been determined. Ergo, addiction caused by long-term consumption of "liquid nicotine divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives" in humans has NOT been determined, see:
In this documentary movie, he literally acknowledged the fact that "liquid nicotine divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives" has never been shown to be addictive to humans:
"Nicotine addiction" is a billion dollar lie. Billion dollar lies are extremely addictive to humans:
I think I was born wanting a cigarette, because both of my parents smoked. I was getting nicotine in the womb. Liquid nicotine satisfies the nicotine addiction of smokers, which is why I believe it works in smoking cessation. There is often a transition period of dual use, both cigarettes and vaping, until the body begins to trust the nic fix derived from vaping.Liquid nicotine, when divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives, is a mild stimulant like caffeine, though there exists no scientific evidence to support the claim that it is addictive. None whatsoever.
Notice how the term "nicotine addiction" is always referring to burning tobacco smoke:
That's right... the "when divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives" part is being omitted simply because nicotine is the key ingredient that causes burning tobacco smoke addiction, which is an addiction to burning tobacco smoke, NOT an addiction to "liquid nicotine divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives".Nicotine Addiction
The harmful effects caused by long-term consumption of "liquid nicotine divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives" in humans have NOT been determined. Ergo, addiction caused by long-term consumption of "liquid nicotine divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives" in humans has NOT been determined, see:
In this documentary movie, he literally acknowledged the fact that "liquid nicotine divorced from burning plant matter and dangerous additives" has never been shown to be addictive to humans:
"Nicotine addiction" is a billion dollar lie. Billion dollar lies are extremely addictive to humans:
It's the same with the nicotine gum, which my brother used to quit smoking. Then he was addicted to the gum for many years before he finally gave that up, but he took up smoking an occasional cigar without having to make it a daily habit. I'm not saying that's a good practice, but he feels it works to keep him off that pack a day of cigarettes.
I watched the video.
His disclosures that he puts on screen say "What do we know about the safety of long-term use of nicotine delivered without tobacco combustion?"
He answers by saying "we have no evidence of nicotine in an inhaled route, which is a key question. We have lots of literature on snus, and by and large snus has been shown to be not very harmful. That may or may not extrapolate totally to inhaled nicotine, and we will not know until we have people using inhaled nicotine for a long time".
You then see another question on his screen, "What are the health risks of primary nicotine addiction in never-smokers?". He goes on to say that compulsive use of inhaled nicotine by new users who have never smoked needs epidemiologic study.
He goes on to say that it fills addictive effect receptors, stimulates, and causes the release of dopamine. I don't see what else that is, other than being addictive.
I found it encouraging when he mentioned studies in which mice are exposed to vapor, some with nicotine, some without, for comparison of effects. That's a start. I wish there were more like this man, interested in doing the research.
In the end, he said "in addiction, nicotine definitely plays a role, but in cardiovascular disease it has a very probable role".
He shows another screen, specifically about addiction, and cites other addictive ingredients in tobacco, saying the pattern of nicotine dosing and potential for addiction varies by delivery device, and by the speed of nicotine delivery to the brain. He only says that cigarette smoking is more addictive than ecigarettes. He goes on to say that both smokers and ecigarette users tend to titrate their moods by using the same amount of nicotine daily. He specifically said "there still can be different nicotine addiction potentials, depending on how nicotine is being used". He cites similar cotinine levels in both smokers and ecigarette users. He says that ecigarette users are using nicotine as they need it to experience what they want to experience.
So I don't see him saying there is no evidence that liquid nicotine is addictive, and I don't think there is any real life evidence that liquid nicotine isn't addictive. This is why we don't want to offer it to minor children or try to interest never-smokers in it. Dependencies can be debilitating, so I will always only see vaping as smoking harm reduction.
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If what you say is true and it satisfies the addiction, vapers wouldn't spontaneously lower the nicotine strength of the juices that they vape after they switch entirely from smoking to vaping.
Personally, I, switched from smoking 16-17 Marlboro red cigarettes per day to vaping, in a matter of only 2 minutes. This happened on Friday 13th (seriously!) January 2017. Immediately after that, I gradually lowered the nicotine strength, spontaneously and without effort, from something between 4.5mg and 5mg to just 3mg, over the course of less than 12 weeks. "Without effort" = I never experienced craving for a normal cigarette, during this period or ever after. Yes, vaping liquid nicotine satisfies me. Similar to how looking at a nice painting also satisfies me. I think the lockdown against Covid-19 has demonstrated, very clearly, that a lot of people can start to suffer severe withdrawal symptoms when they are no longer allowed to satisfy their "addiction" to nice paintings...
Carl Sagan once explained that logical conclusions are invalid if the arguments that the logic is based on are invalid, and, Albert Einstein said that, if you can't explain it in a simple manner, then you don't understand it well enough. I studied maths & sciences in high school. Although that doesn't make me a scientist of academic proportions, my high school diploma is still a lawful document that shows I know the basics of how science works or doesn't work. I also have a formal degree in computer science, BTW, but it doesn't actually even matter because we're only discussing the very basic principle of how science should look like, or, how to successfully uncover the fake part of science.
The bottom line is, if these "scientists" can not really put a finger on what "addiction" factually means, then my answer has to be a resounding no. No, I am not addicted to liquid nicotine divorced from yada yada yada─and married to the coil.
To me, this never happened. The switch was both spontaneous and instant, like flipping a light switch.
The fact that he was able to quit smoking a pack a day of cigarettes by using nicotine gum does not in any way prove that the nicotine gum is addictive. The sensation of reward that is engendered by the suppression of withdrawal symptoms when using the gum only shows that the behavior of smoking a pack a day of normal cigarettes meets the description of an addiction. The behavior of using the gum to suppress these same withdrawal symptoms does not meet this description. I need to see rock solid evidence to support the claim that vaping freebase nicotine is addictive, that it can cause an addiction in humans who are never-smokers. Failing that, we are back at "the sensation that is engendered by looking at nice paintings is an addiction".
The question of "What are the health risks of primary nicotine addiction in never-smokers?" appears to make the assertion that there exists such a thing as "primary nicotine addiction" in humans. First, let's see that evidence because, else, this is just that: an assertion. What's not just an assertion is the observation that data gathered in the UK shows no indication that there exists such a thing as "a vaping epidemic among teens", though. Now it's my turn to make an assertion: I think it's just another one of those addictive lies, as the rate at which these kinds of assertions keep getting abused by the anti-vaping lobby really does look like it is what needs epidemiologic study.
Looking at nice paintings or a bucket of nice flowers causes the release of dopamine, which I can prove. In fact, making a poo can cause the release of dopamine in the brain too, especially for those who are Glantzified, much to the point of being addicted to holding a press release each time when they make a poo.
Although I can't find it right now, I have encountered strong evidence to conclude that nicotinic pathways in the brain of rodents, that potentially may be causing (some of) rodent species to experience certain kinds of sensations of reward, are fundamentally different to how humans respond to nicotine.
Just because it plays a crucial role in addiction, doesn't make it an addictive substance per se. The nicotine patch has been specifically designed to be not addictive in spite of the fact that it contains nicotine. The delivery device known as burning tobacco smoke is what's addictive so, yes, the pattern of nicotine dosing and potential for addiction varies by delivery device, and by the speed of nicotine delivery to the brain, BUT... the latter speed is similar, whether you use the nicotine patch or you vape freebase nicotine.
In the documentary movie "You don't know nicotine", that I posted a link to earlier, he said in front of the camera that addiction to, or dependence on, inhaled nicotine in absence of tobacco smoke─or inhaled nicotine per se─has never in any way been shown to exist. Now, due to the fact that the addictiveness of cigarette smoking is greater than zero, if the addictiveness of vaping equals zero, then logically, his claim of "cigarette smoking is more addictive than ecigarettes" still holds true, but the fact that it still holds true does not in any way change this other fact, that the addictiveness of vaping has not been shown to be greater than zero. To summarize, lumping vapor in with burning tobacco smoke is a typical-old example of a persistent belief that is in very shrill contrast with how fact-based reality is truly like. So much so, in a certain way at least, I think it actually even borders on the edge of superstition, it almost does. I highly recommend Carl Sagan's book "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark".
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I don't know about everyone else, but I vape nicotine, not because I am addicted to it, but because it helps me to suppress withdrawal symptoms that are not caused by being addicted to nicotine, but that, instead, are caused by me having been a cigarette smoker for more than 20 years. Yes of course I need nicotine as I need it to experience what I want to experience. So then the $64,000 question becomes, what exactly is it that I want to experience? I'll tell you.
I want to experience life without the avoidable risk of me relapsing back to smoking normal cigarettes. Which, if I may be so bold to say so Sir, anyone could've guessed if they didn't lack the capacity to use their imagination for a half fraction of a nanosecond.See above. As far as vaping liquid nicotine is concerned, you can see him acknowledge exactly that, if you watch the documentary movie that I linked earlier.
I don't think there is any real life evidence that unicorns don't exist. For reasons that are completely similar, you can't just ban coffee from the local grocery store until finally someone proves that caffeine isn't addictive, but what you can do is take a realistic approach when it comes to your own opinions on the subject of nicotine policymakings and the impact they have on the future of society that lies ahead, as public health is not just about over-protecting the health of minor children and never-smokers. Or if it is, then it shouldn't just be about that, anyway.
So, we need regulations that are proportional to the whole picture, not just following a one-sided style of approach that outright bans everything or that leads to a situation where vaping products will become so highly expensive that either it makes them inaccessible or it makes them too poorly accessible to many smokers and ex-smokers, or that, somehow, directly or indirectly, causes choices of various different types of vaping products to become too severely limited in the marketplace to still be effective at helping more adults quit, and stay quit. I don't see how creating a black market of vaping products─where currently there is none─is going to help children. One way to help the children is to help their parents switch from smoking to vaping, by allowing more vaping products to continue to be sold legally at afforbable prices and in places where they are easily accessible.
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There's a lot in your reply, so I'll take one thing at a time, as I have time.
I've known two people who, having broken the cigarette habit by vaping, and having vaped for a couple of years, decided to gradually drop their nic to zero and then stop vaping, thereby releasing the addiction from their lives. Both ended up back on cigarettes. Both described an insurmountable craving, and having gone like zombies to a store to buy cigarettes. Why didn't they just load the vape device and start back there? Because they'd already down-titrated their results by lowering their vape nic. Two years off cigarettes, gone, and back to the slow suicide of smoking cigarettes.
Oh, I don't think we should have any regulations on smoking, vaping, drinking, drugs or prostitution, among adults of legal age. It's just a good way to waste taxpayer money and keep prisons full of basically innocent people, mostly minorities. People who want to annihilate themselves will always find a way to do that, whether they eat fast food every day, drink themselves to death, or simply slash their wrists. Regulations are for politicians on soapboxes who want to keep people agitated and be our nannies.So, we need regulations that are proportional to the whole picture, not just following a one-sided style of approach that outright bans everything or that leads to a situation where vaping products will become so highly expensive that either it makes them inaccessible or it makes them too poorly accesible to many smokers and ex-smokers, or that, somehow, directly or indirectly, causes choices of various different types of vaping products to become too severely limited in the marketplace to still be effective at helping more adults quit, and stay quit. I don't see how creating a black market of vaping products─where currently there is none─is going to help children. One way to help the children is to help their parents switch from smoking to vaping, by allowing more vapor products to continue to be sold legally at afforbable prices and in places where they are easily accessible.
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I'm certainly not advocating more regulation.
Perhaps I should state the inverse of what I said. I see every obvious sign that nicotine is addictive, whether by smoking or by vaping.
There are religions that actually ban caffeine among their members because of its addictive power, not that I want some politician to get on a soapbox about it. It only takes a critical mass of stupid people to get the politician up on a soapbox, wanting more taxes on caffeinated drinks, or bans of caffeine.
I guess I have to wonder why you think a nicotine vape helps you with the withdrawal from nicotine in cigarettes, why it helps you avoid the risk of relapsing back to smoking cigarettes, and what you think would happen to you if you vaped zero nic.I don't know about everyone else, but I vape nicotine, not because I am addicted to it, but because it helps me to suppress withdrawal symptoms that are not caused by being addicted to nicotine, but that, instead, are caused by me having been a cigarette smoker for more than 20 years. Yes of course I need nicotine as I need it to experience what I want to experience. So then the $64,000 question becomes, what exactly is it that I want to experience? I'll tell you.
With that, I think I'm done with this conversation, but I will watch the longer video later.
That's the reason why I continue to vape at somewhere in beween 2.5 and 3mg... I don't want to be zombified like they were. I know ex-smokers who are never-vapers, they quit cold-turkey several decades ago, and, they still regularly experience cravings. This proves my point, that being an ex-smoker is what causes the cravings, that vaping nicotine is what effectively─but temporarily until you need your next vape session─suppresses these cravings, and that, therefore, ex-smokes who entirely switched to vaping nicotine should think twice about dropping their nicotine to zero, as these cravings will no longer be suppressed if they do that, which is like asking to get yourself in trouble because I, too, have witnessed what it can do to people if they drop to zero nicotine. In fact, I have witnessed it many times over, so I know it's true.
That wasn't aimed at you. Rather, it was aimed at all the anti-vaping lobbyists, who seem to have no imagination.
I disagree. At minimum, we need the kind of regulations that help to protect us against scammers who sell vaping products the quality of which is so abnormally bad that they're actually causing a lot more harm than good, like, the opposite of harm reduction.
I see every obvious sign that those who not only claim that nicotine is addictive, but who also persistently fail to show some real evidence to back up their claim, are the ones who are standing on a soapbox. Just like I see every obvious sign that they have less brain cells than the rodents that we discussed previously.
Do believe at best it is called nicotine dependence. That of course, isn't too far a cry from saying nicotine addiction.
You depend on the nicotine to help avoid withdraw symptoms, you're nicotine dependent. Depend on nicotine for any reason, nicotine dependent.
Spades are spades. Facts are facts. Truths are truths, like 'em or not.
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I never said that I think it helps with the withdrawal from nicotine in cigarettes. There is no such thing as withdrawal from nicotine in cigarettes. Only withdrawal from burning tobacco smoke, which isn't the same as "nicotine in cigarettes", in spite of the fact that nicotine plays a crucial role in the addictiveness of burning tobacco smoke. That's the whole paradox. In one delivery device it plays a crucial role in the addictiveness of said delivery device. Whereas in another delivery device it plays a crucial role in the succcess rate of what's helping to overcome that addiction. Thing is, it isn't the only factor that plays a crucial role in the quit smoking success rate. The nicotine patch, while designed to be not addictive, has a quit smoking success rate of only ~9%, which is not a lot. One study found that vaping nicotine as a smoking cessation aid has double the success rate of traditional NRTs such as the nicotine patch. In absence of any real evidence to show that my vape is addictive, why should I believe that it is? Shouldn't the main focus of attention go to the fact that there is overwhelming evidence to show that it is unlikely that the harm caused by vaping nicotine exceeds 5% of the harm caused by burning tobacco smoke? I am a pragmatist. No evidence vs overwhelming evidence plays a crucial role in how I like to define the level of risk to personal health. I believe in unicorns, but not so vehemently that I'll change my behavior prior to seeing some evidence.