Become a Patron!

Need a little help with a coil build

Tom Jones

Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Ok guy's I need a little help I have a Sigelei 150w with a troll RDA I am using a 24 gauge kanthal with 6 wraps on a CW-30 coil smarter coming out at 0.3 ohm's. I have tried everything to get more vapor out of this thing but no matter what I do it is not producing what I am wanting bigger clouds with this. Right now I only 22 gauge and 28 gauge kanthal I ran out of 24.

What I am asking is what kind of build will give me a lot of vapor production with flavor on this, right now I am feeling like I have wasted my money on this setup

2015-04-04%2017.26.57_zpshqijthfg.png

2015-04-04%2017.25.38_zpsectncfmb.png

2015-04-04%2012.13.45_zpsvnuxe20t.png


any help or tips or recommendations on a build would be appreciated. I am new to coil building I watched a lot of videos and tried the builds but nothing seems to works.
Thanks
 
Last edited:

CDZVaper

Bronze Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
6 wraps of 24g Kanthol on a 3/32 drill bit comes out to approximately .2 Ohms. That was my go to for months. Also, sometimes the atty could be why you're not getting what you want. I just switched from a Tobh to a Freakshow mini and the difference in flavor is crazy. Then I bought an Origen Genesis and it got crazier, lol...But the Troll is for clouds, yes?

Or

Try a single parallel coil

Surface area is key for more vape production.

Google steam engine.

Others will join in soon enough for tips etc...
 

yasaboss

Bronze Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Have ya tried hitting it without that drip tip? How many watts r u running? Is the airflow open up all the way? How hard are you drawing on it? What ratio juice r u running? Pg/Vg
 

Tom Jones

Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Yes I have tried hitting it without the drip tip. I am running at 25 watts I have tried turning it up to 45, 50, 75 watts but it is to hot of a vape. The airflow is wide open I have tried closing of the holes till no airflow. I can draw on it hard or soft still the same. On the Pg/Vg I am not sure I will have to ask the guy that makes it to be sure . I also picked up more 24 awg kanthal. I found out that the troll I bought was a clone not for sure if that will make a difference or not.
 

Browncoat

Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Vape Media
Looks more like 4.5 wraps to me, but anyway...you have WAY too much cotton in there, man. Easily twice as much wick as you need, which is restricting your airflow and gimping your vapor production. When you pull your cotton through the coil, it should be snug. It's hard to describe in words, just something you have to get a feel for. You should be able to pull it back through the coil without any of it unraveling.

After the coil is wicked, bend your cotton down and sort of eyeball where the bottom of the juice reservoir is on your atty. That is where you should be trimming your cotton. The ends of your wick should just be touching the bottom of the juice well, leaving plenty of airflow under the coil.
 

martinelias

Silver Contributor
Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Am i the only one that counted 5 wraps in one coil and 4 in the other? I could be wrong its been a long day. Try smaller gauge paralleled or twisted you get more surface area slightly less ohmage. I been killing it with those setups lately. Also try getting closer to the posts. Maybe less cotton. I find using just enough cotton and not necessarily filling the well with cotton enhances airflow. These are just my experiences of course.
edit yeah what vaper emag said i didnt read it until after haha. Cotton shouldnt have any wiggle room on its own and shouldnt be tight either. When you pass it through and set it try pulling it a little from both ends and if it doesnt unravel at the choke point youre good.
 

Tom Jones

Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
your right that pic is of a 4 or 5 wrap I have a 6 wrap in there now. I will try the cotton, when I do put the cotton in I make sure it will slide in easy back and forth and thanks for the reply's
 

CrazyVpr

Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Yes I have tried hitting it without the drip tip. I am running at 25 watts I have tried turning it up to 45, 50, 75 watts but it is to hot of a vape. The airflow is wide open I have tried closing of the holes till no airflow. I can draw on it hard or soft still the same. On the Pg/Vg I am not sure I will have to ask the guy that makes it to be sure . I also picked up more 24 awg kanthal. I found out that the troll I bought was a clone not for sure if that will make a difference or not.
More watts!
At 25 watts, you're only running at 2.2 volts.. You won't get clouds with that. Try more wraps/higher ohms. And what they said about the cotton. And, more vg.
 

martinelias

Silver Contributor
Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Higher watts and more airflow to cool it down. The more airflow the more vapor. The higher the vg the more vapor. The more coil surface touching wick the more vapor. Then ya gotta just tinker with what works for you. I got a bunch of expensive attys but the doge v2 which was like 40 or 45 bucks is my all day it has the air i need and the post holes are massive for quad twisted wire or tripple parallel or whatever and its the cheapest atty i got after the mutation x v3 so yours being a clone shouldnt matter just open that sucker up and crank it.
 

Tom Jones

Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
ok thanks guys I was thinking about either getting the doge or the mutation x v3
 

martinelias

Silver Contributor
Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
The doge v2 is superior imo
 

Browncoat

Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Vape Media
There's a lot of tinkering involved, and what may be the sweet spot for me, may not be what you or 10 other people like. You just need to be able to grasp the basic concepts and fiddle around a bit. I'm still trying to find the right balance between flavor and vapor, though I've definitely found the secret to good flavor: twisted coils. The hype of all those complicated freakshow coils is real. They hold far more liquid than a straight up coil, which adds to flavor.

Right now I have a twisted 26ga dual coil (3mm/6 wraps) @ 0.36 ohms and pushing them @ 48w. Flavor is on point with a single coil build, and vapor production is stellar. Not quite competition level, but the vape is warm and pleasant. I don't know that I'll ever be able to go back to a straight coil build again.
 
I have found that a twisted coil is giving me tons of vapor and also aligning the airflow holes is keep. Keep them as close to the coil as possible. I just figured that out last night wondering why my clouds sometimes were huge then soso the next drip.
 

juicy76

Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Looks great..... IMO though... I would go threw the coil and over the leads... Consider this...... The more coil exposed,the more the heat... Refer to the stove top type coils for what I mean. Also it should be less hassle to go over, not to mention give more air flow... Wtg man... Keep up the clean builds...
 

TwistedWires

Bronze Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Looks great..... IMO though... I would go threw the coil and over the leads... Consider this...... The more coil exposed,the more the heat... Refer to the stove top type coils for what I mean. Also it should be less hassle to go over, not to mention give more air flow... Wtg man... Keep up the clean builds...
indeed.. the more coil surface contact to the wick the better clouds you get. want the juice on most of the coil as possible. people often forget this^^
 

juicy76

Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Does anyone know if twisted messes has any coupon codes
 

robot zombie

Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
You really do kinda have to tinker a bit from RDA to RDA to strike that optimal balance of airflow surface area, heat capacity, and heat flux. That first build you have, I actually like a lot in my Mutation X V3. I run it on a mech, so it's pushing a little over 90w, assuming your diameter is about what it looks to be to me. It's a pretty warm vape, but not overpowering. Very dense and smooth... ...milky, really. Quite tasty, too. The MX V3 also has noticeably tighter airflow and a smaller chamber, though. That build's more optimal for it. Less airflow to it a bit more readily. Too much more wire for your power and it gets too hot. The coil overcomes the airflow on it.

I've also tried that exact build in the troll. I found it pretty underwhelming. Even at full power, it's a weak, yet hot vape. The troll is too spacious and it pulls in too much air. So those scorching little coils wind up yielding a lesser amount of hot, concentrated vapor. 6 wraps would be a no-go for me. They completely don't heat up enough to keep up with the troll wide open. It's a completely different animal.

I think the troll performs a lot better with 22g. It's hotter overall, but that's what the wide bore drip tip you can get for it is for. Another option is a chuff top if the proprietary one's too wide. It helps counter all of that heat extra heat by allowing you to take better advantage of all of that side airflow. I find that a low-resistance 22g dual-coil has the heat and surface area to keep up with every bit of the air a troll can pull across it. My preference is between a .16 and a .2, usually 6-8 wraps around a 3/32. Play around with that 22g and see what you can come up with. If you wanna go up a bit in the ohms, then bear in mind that you will need more wattage to heat them up, which might actually be interesting on that setup.

As has been said before, it's a cloud chasing atty. It's designed for thicker, super-low-resistance coils. Give it what it wants and it will reward you. I don't think it's the best at what it does, but it can be pretty damned good at it. Have more faith. I will admit that there are better options for flavor, though. It's moderate at best.

Also as has been said before, make the bottom leg your long leg so you can hang some wick over it. Just enough wick in there to comfortably touch the top and bottom of the inside with ends resting on the bottom of the deck. And of course, put your coils close to the air holes and dead centered vertically.

I third the recommendation of twisted 26. That, I find has at least as much vapor and much more flavor than the 22. It can spit, though. Never bothered me much, but for some people, the spitback's too hot. Dual-parallel 24 is also an option somewhere in between the two.

Did I mention high-wattage? Yeah, it's pretty much a necessity to get the most out of that atty. Just my 2 cents.
 
Last edited:

BoomStick

Gold Contributor
Member For 5 Years
If you're still watching this OP, you aren't putting enough cotton in the coil. More coil surface area only helps if the coils inner surface area is in contact with cotton.
 

juicy76

Silver Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
I have a question? It makes me feel like a new bee ...uuuuugggg (not even close) what's the difference between a1 ribbon and D ribbon wire ? Is it how clean it is on the molecular level? And I'd D ribbon safe
 
i know i wroth it a lot of time after you but here it is

i use a troll dripper whit dual coil , ni80 gage 26 10 wrap give me a good cloud and nice flavour
the smok alien 220w box found it at 0.367 ohm maybe it coul be what you looking for

sorry for my poor english but i do my best
 

VU Sponsors

Top