Mouth to lung vs lung hitters...

[Slurp812]

I started out ~ 2011 with little ciga-likes. Worked my way up to a billow v2 on top of an ipv4s. Mouth to lung on a billow is just silliness. So at first I didn't like it as much as my sub-tank. Lately Iv'e been lung hitting the billow to keep it from flooding. And now I've opened up the air flow on the sub tank, and am beginning to lung hit that as well. It seems I am evolving...

 

[PuffPuffPass]

I never evolved it seems :/

I never could get a decent vape until the industry caught up with those of us who demanded more. Mouth lung never worked for me

 

[Huckleberried]

I'm a MTL vaper. I've tried DL, but just prefer MTL.

 

[OBDave]

I quit smoking MTL (that was what gear we had at the time), but after about a year I got into mechs and RDAs. From there I couldn't really get on board with the airflow of any tank until I got my Crown...I'm full-blown "hobbyist" mode now and DL all the way.

 

[Nailz]

I started out ~ 2011 with little ciga-likes. Worked my way up to a billow v2 on top of an ipv4s. Mouth to lung on a billow is just silliness. So at first I didn't like it as much as my sub-tank. Lately Iv'e been lung hitting the billow to keep it from flooding. And now I've opened up the air flow on the sub tank, and am beginning to lung hit that as well. It seems I am evolving...

I don't use it anymore, but I use to have a billow v1 and v2 and MTL on both of them, but I am different, as I am a rare sub ohm user who only MTL's, I don't like get much flavor with direct lung and what flavor I do get, I don't like.

Right now I am using subtank mini on 2nd airflow setting, a hurricane, a crius and a kronos, all MTL and that's the way I like it

 

[PuffPuffPass]

I heard direct lungers eat puppies.
I dunno... that's wot I heard.

You heard wrong. We eat full grown pit bulls.

 

[MorpheusPA]

MTL. Unless I'm nic fit city, in which case I might DL once or twice. I really strongly prefer the MTL.

(I just bought a Hurricane tank, so we'll see how that goes; per reports, it's perfect for us MTL people).

 

[VapinChevy]

When I first started I was MTL, after @ 5yrs I'm a DL. I tried MTL but I just Can't do it

 

[Nailz]

MTL. Unless I'm nic fit city, in which case I might DL once or twice. I really strongly prefer the MTL.

(I just bought a Hurricane tank, so we'll see how that goes; per reports, it's perfect for us MTL people).

I just got the hurricane last week and yes I can confirm it is a great MTL tank, sure you won't be disappointed with it

 

[dre]

I was a DL but now I'm all about MTL. I use my pico with a 1.5 ohm n80 coil at 22w. Pure flavor bliss. Or I use my goblin mini almost all the way closed off when I was a nice restrictive semi DL hit.

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[pulsevape]

evolving into what...you are just following a trend.

 

[SailCat]

Some time ago (like way back), a lady on ECF posted to the forum that she had tried inhaling her PV (popular term then) directly into her lungs and enjoyed it - suggested that others try doing so. Others did, this guy included, and is stuck, for me at least. While I can't speak for anyone else (nor would I suggest anyone change if they're happy one way or the other), I enjoy greater satisfaction, fuller flavor and have tried MTL a couple of times recently but after directly inhaling for years, it feels awkward. Just set in my ways, I suppose. To each his (or her) own.

And I think them puppies is delicious.

 

[pulsevape]

You heard wrong. We eat full grown pit bulls.

bullshit you live on a steady diet of red bull and fruit loops....unless you all go over to your mom's house and she cooks you a real meal.

 

[PuffPuffPass]

bullshit you live on a steady diet of red bull and fruit loops....unless you all go over to your mom's house and she cooks you a real meal.

Hahaha My mom lives with me Not the other way around.

And Red Bull is for p*ss**s

 

[PuffPuffPass]

evolving into what...you are just following a trend.

How is this a trend? Unless you consider the cloud crowd, there are those of us who have never been mouth to lung vapers.

I tried mouth to lung. It never satisfied my cravings fully, even at 30mg. It wasn't until I got a setup that allowed direct lung hits, that I was able to put the cigarettes down completely.

Every trend started somewhere, for a reason. Sick clouds? Or a simple filled lung feeling? I'm part of the latter group.

A trend, is a half pack a day smoker. A real smoker would smoke 3-4 packs a day. Just sayin

 

[pulsevape]

good for you ..I'm glad you found a vape that workds for you...but the trend now is for sub-ohm tanks that is what the trend in vaping is right now,and so we have noobs who think that it is THE way to vape, they think if they aren't blowing torandos they are doing IT wrong...they don't get exposed to other styles....

 

[PuffPuffPass]

good for you ..I'm glad you found a vape that workds for you...but the trend now is for sub-ohm tanks that is what the trend in vaping is right now,and so we have noobs who think that it is THE way to vape, they think if they aren't blowing torandos they are doing IT wrong...they don't get exposed to other styles....

True enough. But if we apply a negative to every new thing that comes along, we miss out on the potential win.

Do I like seeing massive clouds? No. Do I like holding a huge box mod? No. But both are part of fixing my problem of wanting to stay away from cigarettes. And it works very well for me and others.

Our biggest issue, from my prospective, is the bad boy mentality and image the community is trying to build for itself. This in turn, leads to the sick clouds = Rebel attitude. Where people do it to impress or offend others deliberately.

It's all about perception. Public perception. A hobby centered on offending people, won't survive long.

Adding: I got sick clouds at 1.2 ohms and 8 watts. I was able to reduce the Nic, through subohm. This saves money, believe it or not.

 

[pulsevape]

for me personally I find cotton doesn't deliver flavor as well as ss mesh or ceramic wicks...that's one of the reasons I don't cloud chase ...flavor...the other reason is I don't like the idea of breathing in huge amounts of PG.VG, or flavorings into my lungs I've already fucked them up pretty badly with smoking and besides we really don't knwo what the long term effects of vaping are......and so I vape high nic at like .8 to 1 ohm. it gives me smaller more potent hits....like dre said I don't consider myself a MTL vapor, but a restrictive lung hitter....I am not applying negatives to anything and cloud chasing is not new it's been around for years...I am merely pointing out the direction the Industry wants to take vaping....
as for offending people with huge clouds...well in the privacy of your own home whatever,and sure ther are assholes who get off on using clouds to freak out the strights,but most cloud chasers I've run across are considerate and cool people....but I agree we vapers have to face the truth the Industry does target young people...it targets young men that it is cool to vape huge clouds and we have vapemeets where we film people even crowds of people trying to out do each other in blowing the sick as tits clouds that they can.....and that is what the public sees, and that is how the rest of the population sees us....they don't see the 52 year old guy whose been smoking since he was 10,and diagnosed with COPD...with a 1 ohm coil whose finally been able to quit smoking.They see a crowd of adolescent blowing jellyfish, and consuming a pint of juice a day.
What started out as a tool to get people off smoking and a healthier alternative to smoking is now being used and precieved by the masses as nothing more than a hobby...and in the end the masses will have no problem banning vaping as long as they precieve it as nothing more than a hobby....

 

[PuffPuffPass]

for me personally I find cotton doesn't deliver flavor as well as ss mesh or ceramic wicks...that's one of the reasons I don't cloud chase ...flavor...the other reason is I don't like the idea of breathing in huge amounts of PG.VG, or flavorings into my lungs I've already fucked them up pretty badly with smoking and besides we really don't knwo what the long term effects of vaping are......and so I vape high nic at like .8 to 1 ohm. it gives me smaller more potent hits....like dre said I don't consider myself a MTL vapor, but a restrictive lung hitter....I am not applying negatives to anything and cloud chasing is not new it's been around for years...I am merely pointing out the direction the Industry wants to take vaping....
as for offending people with huge clouds...well in the privacy of your own home whatever,and sure ther are assholes who get off on using clouds to freak out the strights,but most cloud chasers I've run across are considerate and cool people....but I agree we vapers have to face the truth the Industry does target young people...it targets young men that it is cool to vape huge clouds and we have vapemeets where we film people even crowds of people trying to out do each other in blowing the sick as tits clouds that they can.....and that is what the public sees, and that is how the rest of the population sees us....they don't see the 52 year old guy whose been smoking since he was 10,and diagnosed with COPD...with a 1 ohm coil whose finally been able to quit smoking.They see a crowd of adolescent blowing jellyfish, and consuming a pint of juice a day.

Agreed, very much.

And while I do subohm. I spend time here telling others the benefits of NOT subohming when they're having issues with their vape.

I too see a trend. Of B&M pushing subohm on newbs that are clueless on how to obtain the best setup for them. Regardless of their needs.

 

[pulsevape]

I have done my fair share of sub-ohming...I don't see it's attraction, but that is not the issue...others do and if it is the thing that gets them of cigs more power to them...personally I LOOOOOOVED smoking everything about it I love tobacco, I loved the smell of tobacco the taste, I despise sickly sweet gooey vape juice.and so for me the style of vaping that most mimics smoking is what I prefer.
Hell yes the B&Ms and the Chinese indsutry push sub ohm tanks..they are profitable....yeah they sell you some cheap ass piece of shit tank for next to nothing, but just imagine how much they stand to make selling you coil heads for the next 5 years even one year...and the B&M s love that you sub-ohm it means you are going through juice like a drunk, and they will sell you more juice,more coil heads ... so of course they are going to push sub-ohming on their customers. They knwo if you're not willing to build your own coils you aren't likely mix your own juice. So of course the Industry pushes it.

 

[smacksy]

Been vaping about 4 years now..
Started MTL on a Provari/Protank but quickly learned I needed something better if I was to remain tobacco free...I got into mechs, learned about ohms law and battery saftey..looking for a RDA with great airflow (the super tight airflow on the Protank was like sucking on a straw) I got the Dark Horse and installed a dual 24g build to use on my XXIX mech...instant gratification! I was hooked! It was exactly what I was looking for, and I still lung hit on both subtanks and RDA's to this very day.. satisfying, relaxing and very, very enjoyable...it's why I choose to vape, lololol

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[pulsevape]

I think both work...when you're out and about and need a big hit of nic..yeah hitting a dual coil will get the nic in the blood, but at home I like to kick back and sip high proof delicious nectar to savor the flavor and the buzz.
But as a smoker I smoked cigarettes...but I also never turned down a cigar or pipe..I loved all types of smoking.

 

[pulsevape]

Been vaping about 4 years now..
Started MTL on a Provari/Protank but quickly learned I needed something better if I was to remain tobacco free...I got into mechs, learned about ohms law and battery saftey..looking for a RDA with great airflow (the super tight airflow on the Protank was like sucking on a straw) I got the Dark Horse and installed a dual 24g build to use on my XXIX mech...instant gratification! I was hooked! It was exactly what I was looking for, and I still lung hit on both subtanks and RDA's to this very day.. satisfying, relaxing and very, very enjoyable...it's why I choose to vape, lololol

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and when you started vaping an RDA what nic level did you go down to.

 

[OneBadWolf]

How is this a trend? Unless you consider the cloud crowd, there are those of us who have never been mouth to lung vapers.
I tried mouth to lung. It never satisfied my cravings fully, even at 30mg. It wasn't until I got a setup that allowed direct lung hits, that I was able to put the cigarettes down completely.
Every trend started somewhere, for a reason. Sick clouds? Or a simple filled lung feeling? I'm part of the latter group.
A trend, is a half pack a day smoker. A real smoker would smoke 3-4 packs a day. Just sayin

No feeding of the trolls!

 

[smacksy]

and when you started vaping an RDA what nic level did you go down to.

From 24 mgs in the Protank to 6 mgs on the RDA...currently I'm at 2.5 mgs, dripping...As builds got lower (and better) I need much less nicotine these days..

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[SailCat]

From 24 mgs in the Protank to 6 mgs on the RDA...currently I'm at 2.5 mgs, dripping...As builds got lower (and better) I need much less nicotine these days..

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Yeah, I started way high and am still dropping. Most importantly, we did whatever it took to quit cigarettes. Kudos!

 

[pulsevape]

No feeding of the trolls!

douchebag.

 

[OneBadWolf]

douchebag.

Whatever made you think I was referring to you? lol. Well if the shoe fits.... Or do you favor feeding them. Have a Snickers...

 

[retrox]

I vape MTL exclusively because I require throat hit. If I don't get throat hit, I can't get no satisfaction. I need that 12mg sting from the first drag after a good meal, or first thing in the morning. It was always something I loved about smoking. Flavor is important too, but if there's no accompanying TH, I feel like I'm just sucking on a humidifier. I consider myself a high-power MTL'er, as I'm usually running between 28-35 watts at .7 ohms to achieve the level of warmth I prefer. Rather unusual for KFL users, but my builds allow me to generate more than enough vapor to suit my needs and my wicks never run dry.

Seems like the industry is catering more to hobbyists and non-smokers lately, which I don't necessarily have any problems with, but I hope we see more innovations in the future for MTL'ers. Growing weary of 183 new subtank variations every month. 3/4 of the stuff I see on Joe's blog these days elicits no excitement from me at all.

 

[pulsevape]

I vape MTL exclusively because I require throat hit. If I don't get throat hit, I can't get no satisfaction. I need that 12mg sting from the first drag after a good meal, or first thing in the morning. It was always something I loved about smoking. Flavor is important too, but if there's no accompanying TH, I feel like I'm just sucking on a humidifier. I consider myself a high-power MTL'er, as I'm usually running between 28-35 watts at .7 ohms to achieve the level of warmth I prefer. Rather unusual for KFL users, but my builds allow me to generate more than enough vapor to suit my needs and my wicks never run dry.

Seems like the industry is catering more to hobbyists and non-smokers lately, which I don't necessarily have any problems with, but I hope we see more innovations in the future for MTL'ers. Growing weary of 183 new subtank variations every month. 3/4 of the stuff I see on Joe's blog these days elicits no excitement from me at all.

I hear you.....I need that throat hit as well,again it's more reminicient of smoking for me.

 

[pulsevape]

I just recently got a new genny and it came with a stock airhole of 1.2mm, and I promised myself I wouldn't drill out the airhole till I vaped on it for a courple of three weeks....So it is a smaller airflow than I am used to, it is a real mouth to lung vape, and I had to readjust myself when vaping it, at first it really fustrated me but after awhile using diffrent builds and diffrent reistance I really enjoyed it the flavor was off the charts...it the after dinner vape.

 

[itsmenotyou]

I heard direct lungers eat puppies.
I dunno... that's wot I heard.

You do what you gotta when your hungry

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Edit: damn sideways picture

 

[SailCat]

I think both work...when you're out and about and need a big hit of nic..yeah hitting a dual coil will get the nic in the blood, but at home I like to kick back and sip high proof delicious nectar to savor the flavor and the buzz.
But as a smoker I smoked cigarettes...but I also never turned down a cigar or pipe..I loved all types of smoking.

But ... but ... you've said elsewhere you still smoke cigarettes, even after vaping for, what is it, two years, you said. Yet here you refer to smoking as something from your past. There's nothing wrong with being what you referred to as a 'dual user' but now, as a closet smoker, just posting to call community members names and criticise is uncalled for. So are bizarre stories about members coming to your house to harass you.

You're OK, PV, just be yourself, be truthful and try to be a little more positive, alright?

 

[pulsevape]

But ... but ... you've said elsewhere you still smoke cigarettes, even after vaping for, what is it, two years, you said. Yet here you refer to smoking as something from your past. There's nothing wrong with being what you referred to as a 'dual user' but now, as a closet smoker, just posting to call community members names and criticise is uncalled for. So are bizarre stories about members coming to your house to harass you.

You're OK, PV, just be yourself, be truthful and try to be a little more positive, alright?

OK that was just wierd and insane.

 

[itsmenotyou]

Here we fucking go again goddamn shitshows everywhere here these days

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[pulsevape]

But ... but ... you've said elsewhere you still smoke cigarettes, even after vaping for, what is it, two years, you said. Yet here you refer to smoking as something from your past. There's nothing wrong with being what you referred to as a 'dual user' but now, as a closet smoker, just posting to call community members names and criticise is uncalled for. So are bizarre stories about members coming to your house to harass you.

You're OK, PV, just be yourself, be truthful and try to be a little more positive, alright?

Unless you can post where I made up stories about people coming to my house to harass meSTFU. I could say that
you ripped people off in a sale in the calssifieds
you have a closet full of kiddy porn
you made racist slurs against black people in a post you sent me
you offered to preform sex acts for money
but they would all be lies...the simple truth is I think you are a vile little piece of shit,who makes up lies about people ......so show me the post where I said people came to my house to harass me...

 

[SailCat]

OK ,,, but after this, back in the ignore box, There ya go ....

"...is trolling me from other threads.....I refused to let him into my house so he could tell me about Jesus...or Krishna...or The Revrend Moon I firget which..."
Post by: pulsevape, Dec 9, 2015 in forum: Vaping Related But Doesn't Fit In a Category

'Need a good lung hit now!

 

[pulsevape]

OK ,,, but after this, back in the ignore box, There ya go ....

"...is trolling me from other threads.....I refused to let him into my house so he could tell me about Jesus...or Krishna...or The Revrend Moon I firget which..."
Post by: pulsevape, Dec 9, 2015 in forum: Vaping Related But Doesn't Fit In a Category

'Need a good lung hit now!

Oh that was a joke I made about you being a creepy little troll following me and other people around the board, like the chick from fatal attraction...It appears you lack the intellectual sophistication to know when you are being ridiculed.
Let me help...you see when I say ..go fuck yourself...I'm not actually suggesting you use your embarassinlgy small penis to engage in self copulation..it is an allusion for you to piss off.oops sorry I didn'r actually mean for you to urinate on yourself...I mean...go away.

If you actually read the post it clearly states you have an obssesion with following people around on the board that have ridiculed you...it's getting creepy..

 

[Drosion]

I hear you.....I need that throat hit as well,again it's more reminicient of smoking for me.

I wish they'd find a real throat hit replacement for nic, I'd be able to drop the nic all together.

 

[Huckleberried]

PG

 

[pulsevape]

I wish they'd find a real throat hit replacement for nic, I'd be able to drop the nic all together.

I've herd of some people using small amounts of hot peper flavoring...for throat hit.

 

[Drosion]

I've herd of some people using small amounts of hot peper flavoring...for throat hit.

Yeah I've watched the reviews, there's ingredients like flash or whatever it's called as well as capsacin (**sp) and using things like koolada or menthol. But anyone who's tried it will likely tell you it's not the same

 

[pulsevape]

Yeah I've watched the reviews, there's ingredients like flash or whatever it's called as well as capsacin (**sp) and using things like koolada or menthol. But anyone who's tried it will likely tell you it's not the same

honestly I've found vaping on ss mesh gives a pretty good throat hit.....I have no idea why...if you vape a dripper , or a squonker a slug wick works pretty good in them.of course you won't be vaping huge clouds that way.

 

[MorpheusPA]

I find that I increased the menthol in my DIY as I decreased nicotine. Plus I added a little more cinnamon flavor.

It's not quite the same, but it's good enough.

 

[pulsevape]

I find that I increased the menthol in my DIY as I decreased nicotine. Plus I added a little more cinnamon flavor.

It's not quite the same, but it's good enough.

yeah cinammon or cloves would probablly give some throat hit.

 

[Drosion]

yeah cinammon or cloves would probablly give some throat hit.

Hmm i kinda remember doing a carnage clone at one point that had a great throat hit. I guess some flavors can help now that you bring that up

 

[retrox]

Not sure about the others, but I've tried capsaicin and it's not the same. I got more of a gradual burn with the cap, even MTL'ing it, more akin to what you get DL'ing 6mg. Not for me. No substitute for the punch of a good, clean nic.

I don't like vaping stuff with more than 70% VG either, PG is essential for me as it accentuates the sting from the nic.

Sometimes I wonder if this isn't something that's being at least partly engineered by vendors from within the community. When you consider that nicotine is by far the most expensive component in juice, coupled with the fact that DL'ing high-VG (which can easily be obtained in bulk for fractions of pennies per ml) at high power leads to massively increased product consumption... Well, let's just say that I'm sure juice manufacturers love to sell those big bottles of 3mg 100% VG stuff. Ya think?

/tinfoil hat

 

[Drosion]

Not sure about the others, but I've tried capsaicin and it's not the same. I got more of a gradual burn with the cap, even MTL'ing it, more akin to what you get DL'ing 6mg. Not for me. No substitute for the punch of a good, clean nic.

I don't like vaping stuff with more than 70% VG either, PG is essential for me as it accentuates the sting from the nic.

Sometimes I wonder if this isn't something that's being at least partly engineered by vendors from within the community. When you consider that nicotine is by far the most expensive component in juice, coupled with the fact that DL'ing high-VG (which can easily be obtained in bulk for fractions of pennies per ml) at high power leads to massively increased product consumption... Well, let's just say that I'm sure juice manufacturers love to sell those big bottles of 3mg 100% VG stuff. Ya think?

/tinfoil hat

Interesting theory! Kind of like the push for sub ohm argument. Consume consume spend spend

 

[smacksy]

All I can say is the money I save not buying 4 cartons of Marlboro a month anymore buys ALOT of juice! ..lololo

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[retrox]

All I can say is the money I save not buying 4 cartons of Marlboro a month anymore buys ALOT of juice! ..lololo

Very true! And that's precisely what juice makers are counting on.