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smacksy

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Very true! And that's precisely what juice makers are counting on. ;)
So?? I'm not smoking those nasty ass cancer sticks anymore... Better to support my local juice shop, as vaping has been a much healthier choice for me...I'm not short winded anymore, I can smell and my food tastes great again..clothes don't stink and my room and truck don't stink like a dirty ashtray..
You say juice companies, but Ive been getting my juice custom mixed at my local shop for the last three yrs now..prices are good too, especially for a B&M only shop....
Just today I bought a 100ml bottle of Johnny Milkman 100% VG for $25 and got a 50ml free (points)
The bottom line is to stay tobacco free, and to me that's priceless...

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Interesting theory! Kind of like the push for sub ohm argument. Consume consume spend spend
Oh yeah thye love sub-ohming you go through tons of juice...they get to sell you coil heads....yeah that is why the B&Ms and most of the industry push for the sub ohm tanks on to the newbies.
 

retrox

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The bottom line is to stay tobacco free, and to me that's priceless...

And that says it all right there! Sorry if I'm coming across as confrontational, Break, it's not my intention. Everyone should have the right to vape how they choose, and I'll fight for that, as I'm sure we all will.

Honestly I'd rather believe that it's just a happy coincidence for juice outfits that many vapers adopt the DL style of vaping. Although I have to chuckle when anyone asserts that DL is the "proper" or "best" way to vape, and is the inevitable destination for new vapers once they've cut their teeth on an eGo kit or similar. Especially considering that most of this brand of talk I've overheard inside my own local vape shops, many of which also happen to sell their own max-VG house blends. Hey, it's smart business. Sell them the 200W boxes, the Claptons, and the max VG and they'll be back sooner rather than later. I get it. It's not my place to judge, and so I don't.

The only thing that concerns me is that in the trending market there's not much consideration being given to either smokers or budget-conscious vapers, people who want to quit smoking not only because it's killing them, but also because it's a brutally expensive habit. I don't hear any of the guys behind the counter saying things like, "You could try this little 20W box and a Nautilus Mini, bump your nic level up, and get by just fine on 3-5 ml of 50/50 per day!" Most of them probably don't even have a fucking Nautilus to sell, because someone decided the Nautilus was outdated tech since the mouthpiece isn't compatible with the exhaust pipe from a '72 Ford pickup. I'm speaking in very general terms here. Maybe all of my shops are just shit lol...

I have little doubt that new vapers are being groomed at many shops to accept that sub-ohming and DL is the way to vape, and whether or not there is any element of self-interest involved on the part of the shop is irrelevant to my concern. Of the four vape shops that are local to me, only one maintains what I would consider to be a fair selection of devices catering specifically to low-power MTL users. Mostly I see five glass cases full of 75+ watt devices, 650 mechs, wide-bore RDA's, and sub-ohm tanks. Maybe half a case with a handful of overpriced shitty eGo knock-offs and Evods/CE4's likely left over from an overly optimistic order placed back in 2012, and just maybe a poor orphaned iStick or two (available in either hot pink or sparkly blue). There is a distinct lack of moderately powerful and reliable equipment on offer at most of the shops I've been to.

Perhaps we're seeing this because vaping has become popular to such an extent that smokers can be safely marginalized in favor of the "repeat business" crowd of enthusiasts and seasoned vapers who know exactly what they want before they even walk through the door. "Just press the button and drag on it like it's a cigarette" was how I got off the smokes, and I maintain that just pressing the button and dragging on it like it's a cigarette is still the best way to get the majority of smokers to cross over. Restrictive airflow is not a bad thing. It's simply another thing, and it's an important thing for many people who are addicted to cigarettes.

And THAT, friends, is what we need to be focused on. Not how big or small our stupid clouds are. Not how more nic and less vapor is better, and not how less nic and more vapor is best. I move that we stop caring about this shit, effective immediately. We need a wide range of options to satisfy a wide range of preferences, and the industry isn't doing a good job of providing us with that right now. From our vantage point, China is doing a fine job of making exactly what vapers are asking for. Problem is, there's an entire segment of the market, a segment which is inarguably the most important, that doesn't even know what to ask for. We need more options, and they need more representation and support in the community. Fuck you and your massive clouds, and fuck me and my self-righteous indignation. We all suck vapor.

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I dont understand this MTL thing. Doesn't everyone just inhale directly to their lungs? How can it possibly stay in your mouth when it's being sucked in and going directly to them? It doesnt stop for a small dance does it? No, seriously. I dont understand the concept of anything other than a straight hit to your lungs. Never knew people that smoked any differently. So how does this not straight to the lung even work? lol
 

pulsevape

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I dont understand this MTL thing. Doesn't everyone just inhale directly to their lungs? How can it possibly stay in your mouth when it's being sucked in and going directly to them? It doesnt stop for a small dance does it? No, seriously. I dont understand the concept of anything other than a straight hit to your lungs. Never knew people that smoked any differently. So how does this not straight to the lung even work? lol
didn't you ever smoke
 

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I dont understand this MTL thing. Doesn't everyone just inhale directly to their lungs? How can it possibly stay in your mouth when it's being sucked in and going directly to them? It doesnt stop for a small dance does it? No, seriously. I dont understand the concept of anything other than a straight hit to your lungs. Never knew people that smoked any differently. So how does this not straight to the lung even work? lol
Only analogy I can think of is mtl is how you smoke a cig, and direct lung vaping is like hitting a bong. I doubt you could direct lung hit your cigarette. I guess you could also describe a mtl hit is like sucking on a straw.
 

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Strange term.

Of course I smoked.
It went straight to my lungs.
And exhaled out of there as well.
Main reason my lungs suffered.
Well if everyone else understands that term perfectly, who am I to argue
 

pulsevape

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Strange term.

Of course I smoked.
It went straight to my lungs.
And exhaled out of there as well.
Main reason my lungs suffered.
Well if everyone else understands that term perfectly, who am I to argue
you never saw people who smoked take a pull into their mouth then open their morhts and pull the smoke through their nostrils and then into their lungs?....or people who pull a hit into their mouths and then pull the mouthfull into thier lungs...
 
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you never saw people who smoked take a pull into their mouth then open their morhts and pull the smoke through their nostrils and then into their lungs?....or people who pull a hit into their mouths and then pull the mouthfull into thier lungs...


Perhaps it's been too long since i had a cigarette and am not going to have one again to test that theory out lol
Well there you go, I dont remember smoking like that.
I inhaled and it went straight to my lungs.
Can't say i remember enjoying the taste of tobacco as much as I did that hit of nic in my lungs.

Anyhow, not going to debate the MTL theory.
Never remember discussing whether we were MTL smokers, or not.
We just smoked. lol
 

smacksy

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I smoked 2 packs a day for over 20 yrs..started with a Provari/Protank with 24mgs of nic MTL..
Today I prefer DL with 3 mgs of nicotine on both subtanks and RDA's... Flavor is wonderful and the nic hit is very satisfying... And my local shop offers the newbie many choices between MTL or DL styles of vaping.. However they don't sell pen type devises but offer mods with a replaceable batt like the Lavatube and Vamo and recommendations for a MTL tank like the Nautilus, if that is what the newbie might like..Don't get me wrong, the offer high powered mods and subtanks as well...Its really cool they have tanks on display that a newbie can try on the spot, to see what they might like... I think most new folks are like me, starting MTL and discovering they like DL much better...I can't compare taking a drag on a cigarette to taking a hit DL...only thing is DL satisfies my acquired nicotene addiction in ways a cancer stick never could...

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retrox

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you never saw people who smoked take a pull into their mouth then open their morhts and pull the smoke through their nostrils and then into their lungs?....or people who pull a hit into their mouths and then pull the mouthfull into thier lungs...

Perhaps it's been too long since i had a cigarette and am not going to have one again to test that theory out lol

Yeah, don't do that! ;)

I learned how to smoke when I was 14 from watching my parents, my friends, and television. I knew one guy in high school that DL'ed cigs, but he was also into smoking other things, so I always just assumed that was the only way he'd ever known.

MTL is like drinking a thick milkshake, you "vacuum" the smoke/vapor into your mouth and then sharply inhale it into your lungs from there. TH is that momentary sting you get at the back of your throat and in your upper respiratory tract when you inhale. It is an essential component of the vaping experience for me, and is not something that can be experienced via DL. It's the sole reason why I always switched back to vaping MTL from DL, the latter of which I've tried on numerous occasions with a variety of devices.


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martnargh

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I remember when i ran with cartos few years back id toke it like it was..... something you toke on.
Kinda like smoking one of those thin cigs... took like 4 or 5 little inhales to get a satisfying vape... i received dl vaping with open arms.

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SailCat

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MTL is like drinking a thick milkshake, you "vacuum" the smoke/vapor into your mouth and then sharply inhale it into your lungs from there. TH is that momentary sting you get at the back of your throat and in your upper respiratory tract when you inhale. It is an essential component of the vaping experience for me, and is not something that can be experienced via DL. It's the sole reason why I always switched back to vaping MTL from DL, the latter of which I've tried on numerous occasions with a variety of devices.

Hands-down the best explanation of MTL I've ever read. Excellent and sound reasoning on the manner in which it emulates the habit you replaced with vaping. Thank you for this. Kudos!
 

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I have to DL vape can't seem to get a satisfying MTL vape. But not only do I enjoy the TH I enjoy the warm vapor in my lungs which I can't seem to get with MTL not enough vapor nor warmth. But honestly to each their own. As long as your not offending anyone else have at it.. personally theirs not much more offensive then the smell of burning tobacco imo. Well maybe seeing that heavy woman in the supermarket with shorts on 5 times to small.

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retrox

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Hm, Mr. Busardo's video isn't loading at the correct time, but he says (as he's reviewing Kanger's new sub-ohm kit), "So all of you mouth-to-lungers out there... well, I guess you can go f*** yourselves." :p

Funnier because Phil has made it clear on several occasions that he's primarily a MTL'er.
 

ej1024

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you could have backed outta the conversation going on here without leaving a comment...
theres dozens of new folks coming into the forum daily, that "this shit isnt old" to them and maybe they would like to participate in the discussion
Or
You could've just ignore my comment!



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you could have backed outta the conversation going on here without leaving a comment...
theres dozens of new folks coming into the forum daily, that "this shit isnt old" to them and maybe they would like to participate in the discussion
I agree this shit isnt getting old. There are so many threads on here for everyone at every level!

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Hm, Mr. Busardo's video isn't loading at the correct time, but he says (as he's reviewing Kanger's new sub-ohm kit), "So all of you mouth-to-lungers out there... well, I guess you can go f*** yourselves." :p

Funnier because Phil has made it clear on several occasions that he's primarily a MTL'er.

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darkangel07760

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Hm, Mr. Busardo's video isn't loading at the correct time, but he says (as he's reviewing Kanger's new sub-ohm kit), "So all of you mouth-to-lungers out there... well, I guess you can go f*** yourselves."

Funnier because Phil has made it clear on several occasions that he's primarily a MTL'er.
What video is this? I would like to watch it. Does he really say that?

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retrox

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Yeah, right around the 10 minute mark when he's talking about the "Using Guide" for the Kanger. It's in the video I linked above.
 

Saratoga Joe

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Yeah, right around the 10 minute mark when he's talking about the "Using Guide" for the Kanger. It's in the video I linked above.

Phil is insinuating that Kanger is telling mouth to lungers to go fuck themselves, by not listing any MTL coils and settings. He definitely is NOT personally telling MTL'ers to go fuck themselves. He's way above that.
 

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