Always Tired

[RoyoRoy]

Hi to you all,

I quit smoking about 7 months ago and went straight to subohming. It might be completely unrelated of course but I'm feeling tired all the time. I fall asleep real quick at bed time and get about 7 to 8 hours. I can then easily go to bed at anytime during the day for 3 or more hours. My wife thinks that it might be due to the vaping. My feeling is that the two things are not connected but I thought I'd check with you experts to see if anybody else has the same problem.

I've had different setups over time but the tiredness hasn't changed. FYI, I build my own coils and my usual setup is 3mg nicotine in shop bought pg60/vg40 with a .5 ohm kanthal coil at about 17 to 20 watts. I have been to my doctor and had blood tests but nothing comes up as being the reason.
I should add that I've never been the sort of person to wake up feeling like my batteries are charged but I've never known tiredness like this.

Any ideas would be appreciated.


Roy

 

[BigNasty]

PG sensitivity maybe 40% is wicked high sub ohming. or it could be the flip side of VG sensitivity. Only way to tell is get a dripper and try different combos, hell for all we know it could be a sensitivity to the coil make up, wicking material, or fairy farts causing the issue.

7 Months and still feel like detoxing hell, no wonder you are still mentally and physically craving the WTNAs from tobacco.
In fact I might be correct that depending on how long you smoked you are seriously craving the WTNA from tobacco. (wtna is whole tobacco nicotine alkaloids) and it will take forever to flush that out and get feeling normal again.

Water, exercise, diet and time.

 

[AmandaD]

Sounds like you need to see a doctor - there's really no reason vaping would make you tired, but you should certainly get a checkup!

 

[AndriaD]

It really could be the lack of WTAs -- depression, lethargy, etc. You could try some WTA and see if that helped at all; if not, then yeah, there could be some underlying problem totally unrelated to vaping/smoking cessation. Perhaps thyroid?

Andria

 

[BigNasty]

Low T, food absorption issue, liver disfunction (this one socked me also, seriously gallbladder removed and the energy levels are off the chain).

I know the string cut theory well, if I need WTNA that badly I have my snuff to get that bump even 5 years out of not smoking.

 

[RoyoRoy]

Many thanks for the replies, it's really appreciated.

AndriaD, what is WTA, please? Is it something to do with the WTNAs that BigNasty mentions? Both are terms I'm not familiar with.

BigNasty, my T has been low but it's about average now and has been for a while, liver disfunction I've got no idea about, and I HAVE had my gall bladder removed some years ago. Also, what is 'The string cut theory', please? Regarding the length of time I smoked, that would be about 40+ years @ 25-30 a day.

You people have given me plenty to think about, but these early replies at least have given me the impression that vaping might not be to blame.

Thanks


Roy

 

[Whiskey]

But remember we are not doctors Get yourself checked out

 

[AndriaD]

Many thanks for the replies, it's really appreciated.

AndriaD, what is WTA, please? Is it something to do with the WTNAs that BigNasty mentions? Both are terms I'm not familiar with.

BigNasty, my T has been low but it's about average now and has been for a while, liver disfunction I've got no idea about, and I HAVE had my gall bladder removed some years ago. Also, what is 'The string cut theory', please? Regarding the length of time I smoked, that would be about 40+ years @ 25-30 a day.

You people have given me plenty to think about, but these early replies at least have given me the impression that vaping might not be to blame.

Thanks


Roy

Yes, it's actually just called "whole tobacco alkaloids" - WTA. It's 95% nicotine, but some of the other alkaloids are quite necessary for some of us, or at least, very addictive after many decades of use -- it took me 15 months of slowly gradually weaning, to finally get free of them -- although the alkaloids anatabine and anabasine may have some therapeutic use as anti-inflammatories, the primary culprit for addiction are the MAOIs -- monoamine oxidase inhibitors, which work on neurotransmitters in the brain in a similar fashion as SSRIs -- they let our brains get max use of neurotransmitters before the monoamine oxidase destroys those neurotransmitters.

Although I used WTA from Wholecig, they no longer sell to consumers, but only wholesale -- however WTA can still be purchased at aromaejuice.com (expensive!) and mothersmilkwta.com (much less costly). WTA made a world of difference for me, though as mentioned, they are very hard to wean off of -- much like SSRIs can be!

I have a page at my site about WTA, if you care to look into it -- http://angryvaper.crypticsites.com/about-wta

Andria

 

[BigNasty]

Many thanks for the replies, it's really appreciated.

AndriaD, what is WTA, please? Is it something to do with the WTNAs that BigNasty mentions? Both are terms I'm not familiar with.

BigNasty, my T has been low but it's about average now and has been for a while, liver disfunction I've got no idea about, and I HAVE had my gall bladder removed some years ago. Also, what is 'The string cut theory', please? Regarding the length of time I smoked, that would be about 40+ years @ 25-30 a day.

You people have given me plenty to think about, but these early replies at least have given me the impression that vaping might not be to blame.

Thanks


Roy

Feeling like your strings are cut, just no energy, foggy and all sorts of off.

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi and many thanks for the replies.

Well, thanks to AndreaD and BigNasty I've now got plenty of things to look into but in the meantime I'll be going back to the Doctors. I don't know how this problem is going to get resolved, but if it turns out to be anything to do with stopping smoking or vaping, (which I doubt, to be honest), I'll be back in touch.

By the way, AndreaD, your website is great.

Thanks again.


Roy

 

[AndriaD]

Hi and many thanks for the replies.

Well, thanks to AndreaD and BigNasty I've now got plenty of things to look into but in the meantime I'll be going back to the Doctors. I don't know how this problem is going to get resolved, but if it turns out to be anything to do with stopping smoking or vaping, (which I doubt, to be honest), I'll be back in touch.

By the way, AndreaD, your website is great.

Thanks again.


Roy

Thx... you must be using auto-correct for spelling...

Andria

ETA -- just wanted to add: I just updated my WTA article, to include info about my 15 month weaning and cessation from it.

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi Andria,

Auto correct?



Roy

 

[BigNasty]

One thing that came to mind in passing conversation with a nurse friend.
Get your potassium level checked.

 

[AndriaD]

Hi Andria,

Auto correct?



Roy

Since you spelled it Andrea instead of Andria.

Andria

 

[pulsevape]

Yeah try vaping high or 100% VG for awhile and see how it affects you..or stop vaping altogether and see how it affects you......I had the same issues when I first started vaping,at that time 70%PG 30%VG was the standard juice mix...I couldn't understand why I had this massive fatigue,I searched the vaping forums for an answer, but most people who were sensitive to PG had symptoms like eczema, or mouth cankers,or headaches...evntually I found a post about a guy who talked about getting bad muscle cramps and fatigue from vaping PG and so I quit vaping for a day or two and I felt tons better..Then I started vaping 50/50 and that was pretty good, but eventually I dropped down to now where I vape 20%PG 80%VG.for me and several other people who I've seen posted their sensitivity to PG is not immediate..it is cumulative...they can handle it but the more they vape it eventually they start to show a reaction....for alot of people the reaction is more immediate....the other thing look at getting a good multivitamin with special attention to niacin B3.

 

[BigNasty]

Funny how smoking covers up tons of issues.
B vitamins are essential, easier to get the shot if yours are off.
I will give you this advice when playing with supplements, do so on advice from a Dr. who is versed in sound herbal theory, the adverse reactions to other meds or supplements can and will cause very real long lasting harm and damage.

 

[pulsevape]

Funny how smoking covers up tons of issues.
B vitamins are essential, easier to get the shot if yours are off.
I will give you this advice when playing with supplements, do so on advice from a Dr. who is versed in sound herbal theory, the adverse reactions to other meds or supplements can and will cause very real long lasting harm and damage.

Very few doctors are willing to give vitamins the credit they deserve...I would go to an Orthomolecular doctor if there is one near by.They've actually treated addiction with B3, but high doses of B3 under the right circumstances can be bad for your liver...they also use like 500mg a day for high cholestiol, but the docs keep their eyes on the liver functions while doing it.

 

[BigNasty]

Very few doctors are willing to give vitamins the credit they deserve...I would go to an Orthomolecular doctor if there is one near by.They've actually treated addiction with B3, but high doses of B3 under the right circumstances can be bad for your liver...they also use like 500mg a day for high cholestiol, but the docs keep their eyes on the liver functions while doing it.

Stinging nettle is fucking vicious on your liver also, minus a gallbladder not a chance I would touch it.

 

[pulsevape]

Well just as big Pharma is making a bundle off of chantrix, and nic gum and nic patches, and nic pills....big Pharma has waged a war on nutritional supplements. filling the publics mind that at best vitamins are useless and that you get all you need in your food, or making people afraqid to use them....the AMA and Big Pharma support peddeling drugs they can stamp a patent on. also the FDA has made the arbitary assumption of what is a daily recommended dose of any vitamin and they have made it generic for all human beings..it does not take into account the millions of years of diffrent groups enviromental pressures and dietary habits of the diffrent cultures. there is no one daily dosage of any vitamin that satisfys every human.and let's face the truth the health care industry is not in anyway interested in helping you live longer and healther if it affects their bottom line in any way.

 

[AndriaD]

the AMA and Big Pharma support peddeling drugs they can stamp a patent on.

This right here is the primary reason why doctors don't ever tell you about vitamin/supplement therapies -- BP doesn't make extortionate money on it, so doctors get no kickbacks from prescribing it, and since BP apparently "contributes" to medical educations, most doctors have zero training or knowledge in what vitamins/supplements can actually do.

If you want to use vitamins/supplements therapeutically, you have to research it yourself, and stop depending on doctors like they're the Big All-knowing Daddy Fountain of Wisdom. They're not, and even doctors have no particular reason to want you to actually get well -- if you do, you don't come back to see (and pay) them.

Andria

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi All,

Once again, many thanks for your replies.

I've stopped vaping as of midnight last night, (I'm on central European time) and I'm off to see the Doctor tomorrow evening. Like I said, if I find a cause to the tiredness and it relates to vaping or lack of smoking, I'll let you all know.

Muchas gracias Amigos.


Roy

 

[saytar]

Hi to you all,

I quit smoking about 7 months ago and went straight to subohming. It might be completely unrelated of course but I'm feeling tired all the time. I fall asleep real quick at bed time and get about 7 to 8 hours. I can then easily go to bed at anytime during the day for 3 or more hours. My wife thinks that it might be due to the vaping. My feeling is that the two things are not connected but I thought I'd check with you experts to see if anybody else has the same problem.

I've had different setups over time but the tiredness hasn't changed. FYI, I build my own coils and my usual setup is 3mg nicotine in shop bought pg60/vg40 with a .5 ohm kanthal coil at about 17 to 20 watts. I have been to my doctor and had blood tests but nothing comes up as being the reason.
I should add that I've never been the sort of person to wake up feeling like my batteries are charged but I've never known tiredness like this.

Any ideas would be appreciated.


Roy

Don't know your age or general health, but I had that issue and discovered that (being male) my testosterone level (and smoking will play heck with your T levels, permently) was in the basement and waaay low for my age. Since starting replacement shots my muscle mass, general well being and attitude have improved immensely. Oh and by the way unless the Dr. specifically requested a screen for all the elements of testosterone it most likely wouldn't show up, as when I go in to get levels checked a special separate blood screening is done for the T levels.
Also highly stressful jobs and lives will take a toll on your well being without you consciously being aware of it. IF you've been a long term smoker your body is used to being "rev's up" from your injections of nicotine from smoking. You could be feeling tired from lack of something your bodies become accustomed to.......
I have no doubt it COULD be from vaping (can we say withdrawal)......as vaping reduces a ton of chemicals your body is used to getting down to virtually zero, so yea it could be a cause...but a good cause as no matter the alleged hazards of vaping are they are waaayyyy down the ladder from smoking tobacco...........

"Just saying"

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi all,

Thanks again for all your advice, it's really appreciated.

Ok, just got back from the Doctors and she very quickly came to the conclusion that she thinks I'm suffering from sleep apnea and she's referring me for all sorts of tests in the coming weeks. To be honest I've got this feeling that she's right, but it's early days; I'll get the tests done and see what happens. I mentioned to her that my better half thought it could be connected to vaping; she said that there's not yet been enough testing on ecigs but she highly doubts it's anything other than sleep apnea.

So, I'm going to keep on blowing the clouds at least for the time being. I really don't want to smoke again and I just know that's what will happen if I stop the vaping.

Regards,


Roy

 

[UncleRJ]

My doctor has suggested that I take Vitamin D, Iron, a good multivitamin and fish oil just due to my age and low levels in my bloodwork.

And I feel just fine!

 

[AndriaD]

Hi all,

Thanks again for all your advice, it's really appreciated.

Ok, just got back from the Doctors and she very quickly came to the conclusion that she thinks I'm suffering from sleep apnea and she's referring me for all sorts of tests in the coming weeks. To be honest I've got this feeling that she's right, but it's early days; I'll get the tests done and see what happens. I mentioned to her that my better half thought it could be connected to vaping; she said that there's not yet been enough testing on ecigs but she highly doubts it's anything other than sleep apnea.

So, I'm going to keep on blowing the clouds at least for the time being. I really don't want to smoke again and I just know that's what will happen if I stop the vaping.

Regards,


Roy

If it's apnea, I'm surprised your wife hasn't noticed -- I once had a boyfriend who had that, and it scared the shit outta me, how he'd just stop breathing... then start again with a jump. Your wife must be a very sound sleeper, or be able to fall asleep quickly -- sure wish I had that problem!

Andria

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi Andria,

My wife's too busy making her own noises to notice a minor thing like Hubby expiring. Sometimes it feels like I'm sleeping with a Harley to be honest.


Roy

 

[BigNasty]

Hi all,

Thanks again for all your advice, it's really appreciated.

Ok, just got back from the Doctors and she very quickly came to the conclusion that she thinks I'm suffering from sleep apnea and she's referring me for all sorts of tests in the coming weeks. To be honest I've got this feeling that she's right, but it's early days; I'll get the tests done and see what happens. I mentioned to her that my better half thought it could be connected to vaping; she said that there's not yet been enough testing on ecigs but she highly doubts it's anything other than sleep apnea.

So, I'm going to keep on blowing the clouds at least for the time being. I really don't want to smoke again and I just know that's what will happen if I stop the vaping.

Regards,


Roy

Cool still that can and does affect other body systems in a big way.
The ecig is 99% less damaging to your lungs, 100% less damaging to your blood vessels. Apena does not mean snoring but enough interupts and it is just as bad.

 

[UncleRJ]

If it's apnea, I'm surprised your wife hasn't noticed -- I once had a boyfriend who had that, and it scared the shit outta me, how he'd just stop breathing... then start again with a jump. Your wife must be a very sound sleeper, or be able to fall asleep quickly -- sure wish I had that problem!

Andria

Sleep Apnea is nothing to screw around with.

I sleep with a CPAP machine myself and with the right mask, not an issue.

Until I have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom but still better than dying!

 

[Trueman ecig Yilia]

you'd better certainly get a checkup and find the reason, because vaping will not cause you tired

 

[AndriaD]

Hi Andria,

My wife's too busy making her own noises to notice a minor thing like Hubby expiring. Sometimes it feels like I'm sleeping with a Harley to be honest.


Roy

Heh! I don't suffer that too much myself; anytime I snore, it wakes me up! I seem to have that problem when I sleep on the couch, but don't seem to have it very often when I'm sleeping in bed. For me, just *sleeping* is the biggest problem; since I don't have to get up early anymore to do the mommy thing, it's gotten better, and I can usually get 7-9 hrs at one go, but just getting to sleep.... there's the rub. And I can already tell that mornings are going to be more and more of a problem, the older I get -- those "old people noises" when I get out of bed, just from the PAIN!

Andria

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi Andria,

I'm trying not to exaggerate but I'd be amazed if it takes me any longer than 5 minutes to fall asleep and I don't know anything until the alarm goes off next morning. The problem I've got is that I can easily go back to bed at anytime during the day and sleep for hours and hours. I'm looking forward to the tests but I really think the Doctor is right. The good news for me is that it's an issue that can be made more bearable with the right meds.


Roy

 

[saytar]

Hi all,

Thanks again for all your advice, it's really appreciated.

Ok, just got back from the Doctors and she very quickly came to the conclusion that she thinks I'm suffering from sleep apnea and she's referring me for all sorts of tests in the coming weeks. To be honest I've got this feeling that she's right, but it's early days; I'll get the tests done and see what happens. I mentioned to her that my better half thought it could be connected to vaping; she said that there's not yet been enough testing on ecigs but she highly doubts it's anything other than sleep apnea.

So, I'm going to keep on blowing the clouds at least for the time being. I really don't want to smoke again and I just know that's what will happen if I stop the vaping.

Regards,


Roy

Opps, forgot about that...been on a CPAP machine myself for a lot longer than been vaping so that never popped into my head. Yes that and LowTestosterone (excluding asthma and allergies which I also have) are two biggies that plague men (and some gals, lol), especially as we get older and gain a few well earned pounds and age (I know it hurts to admit it, but getting older things DO change). If they give you a CPAP remember it will take a few weeks to get adjusted and comfortable with it.....hang in there as it will definitely improve your sleep and day time energy levels.......
But that T level checked throughly........remember the normal range is 200-900....anything under 350 or 400 is only normal for those over 80. Mine was under 300 at at 42 and at 60 was 68.............way too low for my age and extra weight (fatty tissue) will increase the androgen levels destroying Testosterone levels and turning T into Estrogen.....

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi saytar and thanks for your interest.

To give you more info, I'm an overweight 59+1 year old, a drinker and have been on T jabs for about a year, before that I was using the patches which didn't work. My count had been climbing towards the average but then dropped so they've increased the jabs from once a month to twice. Unlike you I haven't noticed any physical or mental difference with the increased T but that might happen eventually.

The reason I joined this forum was because my wife thought, (and still does) that my tiredness was as a result of the vaping. After reading what people have said to me on here and other research I've done, I'm beginning to think that this is less to do with vaping and more to do with lack of quality sleep plus missing other things that smoking gave me. I was after all smoking for well over 40 years.

So, after Easter they'll be contacting me to do the Apnea testing, which I'm looking forward to, because I need answers and can't carry on like this. I've got plenty of things to do and can't get motivated to do any of it. All I want to do is go to bed!

Roy

 

[pulsevape]

shit I usually only can sleep about 6 hours a night..7 is real good for me...the older I get the worse it gets.

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi Pulsevape,

Sleeping a long time is something I've always done and never worried about, it's getting out of bed that's the tough bit. Now it seems that I might be suffering from something I've never heard of; it's funny what life throws at you. So, if you really want to sleep longer all you've got to do is drink too much, give up smoking and pile on the weight.​

 

[pulsevape]

Hi Pulsevape,

Sleeping a long time is something I've always done and never worried about, it's getting out of bed that's the tough bit. Now it seems that I might be suffering from something I've never heard of; it's funny what life throws at you. So, if you really want to sleep longer all you've got to do is drink too much, give up smoking and pile on the weight.​

I can do that.

 

[Neunerball]

I can do that.

Been there, done that. Otherwise, I wouldn't sleep at all.

 

[saytar]

Hi saytar and thanks for your interest.

To give you more info, I'm an overweight 59+1 year old, a drinker and have been on T jabs for about a year, before that I was using the patches which didn't work. My count had been climbing towards the average but then dropped so they've increased the jabs from once a month to twice. Unlike you I haven't noticed any physical or mental difference with the increased T but that might happen eventually.

The reason I joined this forum was because my wife thought, (and still does) that my tiredness was as a result of the vaping. After reading what people have said to me on here and other research I've done, I'm beginning to think that this is less to do with vaping and more to do with lack of quality sleep plus missing other things that smoking gave me. I was after all smoking for well over 40 years.

So, after Easter they'll be contacting me to do the Apnea testing, which I'm looking forward to, because I need answers and can't carry on like this. I've got plenty of things to do and can't get motivated to do any of it. All I want to do is go to bed!

Roy

Twice a month here also......was way overweight and couldn't get it off by any method, since starting the T I have been steadily losing 1 to 2 lbs a month..lost over 50 lbs so far so now only 40 over now. The extra weight will trigger sleep apnea in at least 70% of those 30 lbs or more high for their build, now only sleep 8-9 hrs where at one time i could zonk out for 12+ and still tried falling asleep during the day. Smoked over 42 years myself (and I'm allergic to cig smoke LOL). Quit by tapering off and just quitting over a few months period, but then 3 yrs later got some urge to "reindulge" but decided to try the vaper's.......got rid of the "urge" and now my hands are busy vaping. Best decision possible.

I agree that I am more inclined to believe the apnea way more than vaping..I know they say there are people that have allergies to the ingredients (not me, just EVERYTHING else in the world), but I personally have never met anyone that claims they are. I even had a heart specialist tell me he wasn't up on my vaper's but from what he knew about it he wished EVERY die hard smoker would do it as his professional opinion was that what ever risk there was in vaping it was a thousand times better than smoking!

So good luck on the test..most of the time us overweight folks find out we have waaaayy worse apena's that we realize and its effects are way more insidious than we imagine.

 

[AndriaD]

I even had a heart specialist tell me he wasn't up on my vaper's but from what he knew about it he wished EVERY die hard smoker would do it as his professional opinion was that what ever risk there was in vaping it was a thousand times better than smoking!

Exactly my own doc's point of view -- ANYTHING is better than smoking! He's quite simply amazed I found a way to quit at all.

Andria

 

[Air Blower]

I would agree that sleep apnea may be the issue. I had very similar symptoms and was tested (brought home a machine that measured breathing patterns during sleep) and was amazed to find out how often I was not breathing during the night. Even if you feel you're getting a good nights sleep, these anomalies that interrupt sleep can really affect you.

I got a CPAP and at first would wake up with an odd groggy feeling but after about a week started to really feel the benefits.

Before I got the CPAP I could barely stay awake during meetings at work and even fell asleep and started snoring a few times

Hopefully your issue is similar and can be rectified as easily.

 

[sychosis]

Son, I am.gonna. chime in here with my experience. . I was the same , tired all the time . Anytime I stopped and sat still for more than 10 mins I was out like a light . Never had any issue falling asleep and after a full 10 hours sleep could wake up and stay up for 2 hours then fall asleep in my recliner again for another 2 to 3 hours no problem . Had Issues driving and in meetings at work . Snoring was a huge issue as well as reflux and overweight. I went for a 2 night sleep study and then went back to be tested on a cpap . I never could get to sleep good with the machine and had to return for another 2 night study . This time I was hooked to a bipap machine , kinda the same as cpap but it adjusts the airflow on the inhale and exhale as well . I was able to reach a concurrent rem sleep with this machine and after a few weeks of adjusting the settings each night I was able to start sleeping like a proverbial rock . Before the machine I would get up to go to the bathroom at least 5 times a night and always woke myself up snoring every night .the bipap has worked miracles for me as I cannot even sleep now without the machine ( I have tried to take a lunchtime siesta to no avail). I never thought I had a issue At all for a long time but was exhausted all the time . The study may not show apnea but it will definitely give the doctors more information to look at to diagnose your problems . Best of luck and if you have any questions feel free to ask .

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

 

[AndriaD]

My husband does that, always has been able to fall asleep inside 3 minutes... he said he once fell asleep while standing at attention in formation for a long time, in the USMC. But he doesn't have apnea; he has this ungodly restless-whole-body thing, he literally jumps or jerks some part of his body HARD, every 3 minutes. I used to lay and count, timing him. Unable to sleep because of it, obviously. So he took the study too; the doc says, geez, you move 20 times an hour. He nodded and said his wife told him that he jumped about every 3 minutes. The only thing that ever helped it at all was taking iron supplements -- in a vast number of sleep disturbances of men middle aged and older, there was at least some component of iron deficiency anemia. My husband suffered that several times in his childhood, so I thought maybe it was borderline, and some iron would help, and it did, but when he started getting treated for hypertension, they told him to knock off thje iron. So we got separate bedrooms instread.

Andria

 

[inspects]

I've had a hard time sleeping and was tired as hell all the time a two months ago, and when I did sleep it was far from a sound sleep....went to the doctor and it was the thyroid...now I'm taking Levothyrixine 50 mcg, within a week I felt much better. Now I'm back to normal.

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi All,

I'm very grateful for everybody's help. Thank you.

I hope I don't have to wait too long for the testing to start, but as soon as it does I'd like to share the journey with you people because you all sound like you'd like to know. At this stage I should mention that I'm pretty much a 'glass half empty' sort of guy and therefore not expecting great results from the whole thing, but if I can get even a little more awake and productive time in my day, I'll be happy.

So when i've something to report I'll add to this thread, unless there's a different place to post because let's face it we have moved a very long way from the subject of vaping.

I'll be in touch. Thanks again.



Roy

 

[AndriaD]

Hi All,

I'm very grateful for everybody's help. Thank you.

I hope I don't have to wait too long for the testing to start, but as soon as it does I'd like to share the journey with you people because you all sound like you'd like to know. At this stage I should mention that I'm pretty much a 'glass half empty' sort of guy and therefore not expecting great results from the whole thing, but if I can get even a little more awake and productive time in my day, I'll be happy.

So when i've something to report I'll add to this thread, unless there's a different place to post because let's face it we have moved a very long way from the subject of vaping.

I'll be in touch. Thanks again.



Roy

I'd love to know what you find out! Because I really don't think it's vaping causing it either... though maybe, just *maybe*, the lack of the full tobacco alkaloid spectrum, which seems to affect quitters in very different ways, and some, not at all.

Andria

 

[MySaladDays]

Yeah try vaping high or 100% VG for awhile and see how it affects you..or stop vaping altogether and see how it affects you......I had the same issues when I first started vaping,at that time 70%PG 30%VG was the standard juice mix...I couldn't understand why I had this massive fatigue,I searched the vaping forums for an answer, but most people who were sensitive to PG had symptoms like eczema, or mouth cankers,or headaches...evntually I found a post about a guy who talked about getting bad muscle cramps and fatigue from vaping PG and so I quit vaping for a day or two and I felt tons better..Then I started vaping 50/50 and that was pretty good, but eventually I dropped down to now where I vape 20%PG 80%VG.for me and several other people who I've seen posted their sensitivity to PG is not immediate..it is cumulative...they can handle it but the more they vape it eventually they start to show a reaction....for alot of people the reaction is more immediate....the other thing look at getting a good multivitamin with special attention to niacin B3.

My EXACT experience. I was so tired I couldn't believe it.
Went to 20% or less PG and fixed me right up.

 

[HazyShades]

My EXACT experience. I was so tired I couldn't believe it.
Went to 20% or less PG and fixed me right up.

Same here. But I went to 100% VG which usually works out to 80% VG with 20% PG give or take in the flavors.
When I fist began vaping, buying pre made it was mostly or all pg available
and I felt the same but figured it was from not smoking.

On the other hand some folks react badly to VG..I think sometimes it makes me itch..but it could be cat fleas

 

[HazyShades]

Hi saytar and thanks for your interest.

To give you more info, I'm an overweight 59+1 year old, a drinker and have been on T jabs for about a year, before that I was using the patches which didn't work. My count had been climbing towards the average but then dropped so they've increased the jabs from once a month to twice. Unlike you I haven't noticed any physical or mental difference with the increased T but that might happen eventually.

The reason I joined this forum was because my wife thought, (and still does) that my tiredness was as a result of the vaping. After reading what people have said to me on here and other research I've done, I'm beginning to think that this is less to do with vaping and more to do with lack of quality sleep plus missing other things that smoking gave me. I was after all smoking for well over 40 years.

So, after Easter they'll be contacting me to do the Apnea testing, which I'm looking forward to, because I need answers and can't carry on like this. I've got plenty of things to do and can't get motivated to do any of it. All I want to do is go to bed!

Roy

@RoyoRoy , Good to meet you. Get the test man. While I was reading your post and before
I got to the Apnea part I was thinking, "The guy has sleep apnea"

I was diagnosed and treated for CHF for over 5 years, on BP meds

After a month on a concentrator and bipap machine and mask, which is uncomfy as heck and takes getting used to
I'd lost a bunch of weight and was running around like a teenager and sleeping like a dog. No getting up 4 times a night to pee or have a vape or none of that.
At this point I'm back to my fighting weight, am off BP meds,
look rather good for an old fart, some of my hair is getting dark again,
and I feel great.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[RoyoRoy]

Hi to Hazydays and MySaladDays,

Great to meet you both.

I've got a hospital appointment for next Monday AM for the Apnea tests and I'll let everyone know what happens. In the meantime I've ordered some 100% Vg and I'm going to vary the pg vg ratio away from dominant pg just to see what happens but my guts tell me the problem is elsewhere.

Hazyshades, my bp is ok but I am overweight. I'm just under 6ft and weigh in at about 255 pounds, before I quit smoking I was about 5-6 pound lighter. I don't suffer from shortness of breath too often, but then again I don't do much to get breathless anyway. Glad to hear you are doing so well now; I'd like to think that might happen to me, but we'll have to wait and see.


Roy

 

[HazyShades]

Hi to Hazydays and MySaladDays,

Great to meet you both.

I've got a hospital appointment for next Monday AM for the Apnea tests and I'll let everyone know what happens. In the meantime I've ordered some 100% Vg and I'm going to vary the pg vg ratio away from dominant pg just to see what happens but my guts tell me the problem is elsewhere.

Hazyshades, my bp is ok but I am overweight. I'm just under 6ft and weigh in at about 255 pounds, before I quit smoking I was about 5-6 pound lighter. I don't suffer from shortness of breath too often, but then again I don't do much to get breathless anyway. Glad to hear you are doing so well now; I'd like to think that might happen to me, but we'll have to wait and see.


Roy

Hey @RoyoRoy,
Roy, I sent you a private message.
Regards,
Hazy