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ReyesRec89

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So apart from the fused clapton coils I'm looking to try and start building more advanced flavor chasing coils any advice on what the next step up from fused claptons would be?
 

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Fraliens hands down give me the best flavor , they are not common , but you can find premade ones for sale online if you look. If you are an experienced builder you can just make your own of course . But yeah, aliens in general are usually the best for me, and I've tried all of the "fancy" coil builds...multi core fuxed claptons, aliens, staples, staggered fused claptons&staples, braids, etc....and I always find myself going back to aliens when I want to flavor chase.
The thing with aliens is the way they naturally wick juice. Watch twisted messes YouTube video on aliens, and you will see what i mean. The juice travels along the length of the coil when they wick juice , which I feel is what really puts them over the top.
 

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I can agree with Fraliens. They give me the best flavor of the coils I can make. Still working on the staple staggered fuse, to me it is much harder than the alien variations. I would start with the basic 3-core alien until you get the ''feel'' of the wrap, then grab some ribbon and try framed staple or if your confident jump right to the framed staple alien. I also second watching that Twisted Messes video so you can see that coil wicking in action.
 

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SS aliens or some staple staggered fused claptons
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Hi, I just went to your page on ebay to look at the coils. I find them impressive, the work of an artist, to be sure. However, they are quite expensive. How long does one last? What justifies spending that much money on them? I understand it must be time intensive to make, I'm not criticizing you, I'm new at this and I would like to know. I figure getting the information from the person who makes them is more valuable than from the guy who reviews them on youtube.
 

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Hi, I just went to your page on ebay to look at the coils. I find them impressive, the work of an artist, to be sure. However, they are quite expensive. How long does one last? What justifies spending that much money on them? I understand it must be time intensive to make, I'm not criticizing you, I'm new at this and I would like to know. I figure getting the information from the person who makes them is more valuable than from the guy who reviews them on youtube.
The Staple staggered fused claptons (SSFC) are my most expensive coils and it's simply because they take time. In regards to my other coils I believe they are fairly priced.

SSFC properties: Amazing flavor coil imo and also has great wicking properties. I've noticed after about a week of vaping it when I go to change my cotton and clean the coil. I find my cotton still almost entirely intact. Cons: this coil tends to spit juice rather violently above 120w. If you're using it in an RDA keep the wattage down so you don't burn your tongue. I vape mine around 110 and it's amazing.


Because of PayPal/eBay fees I can always offer better pricing outside of eBay if you'd like to message me we can have that conversation.

My coils I've had guys here using one set of coils well over a month.

I hope I covered your questions but if you have any others I'm here to answer them :)

Thanks!




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this coil tends to spit juice rather violently above 120w. If you're using it in an RDA keep the wattage down so you don't burn your tongue. I vape mine around 110 and it's amazing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm intrigued now. One question I've had concerns high wattage. I've got a mod that can do 200+ but I can't go over 60, it's too hot. I understand that the lower the ohms the more power has to be utilized, but doesn't it get very hot at 100+? Unfortunately, I don't know anyone that vapes in such a fashion, so I must ask all these questions on the forum.
 

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I can attest to how difficult the staple staggered fused is lol, still haven't completed it and tried about 4 times. Currently trying to make a fralien wrapped with 40g and its my first round or so with that gauge (tried 4 times so far and got 1 coil) however once I get another made I will use it for up to 2 months(average time for metal heavy exotics imo). Maybe a little less with super sweet/dark juice that just eats coils. With ''a lot of wire'' builds 60 watts is a very cold vape. all of my current builds I rock at 90-110 watts and I think to most others using them that would be kind of a coolish(temp) vape. Regular claptons/fused I remember vaping around 60-80
 

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I'm intrigued now. One question I've had concerns high wattage. I've got a mod that can do 200+ but I can't go over 60, it's too hot. I understand that the lower the ohms the more power has to be utilized, but doesn't it get very hot at 100+? Unfortunately, I don't know anyone that vapes in such a fashion, so I must ask all these questions on the forum.

Yeah these bigger coils need more power for sure and 60 just won't do it. I personally like a warmer vape but have never vaped these under 80-90w :/. At 100w it's warmer vape but again I like that so it's hard to say what you in particular would like.


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The Staple staggered fused claptons (SSFC) are my most expensive coils and it's simply because they take time. In regards to my other coils I believe they are fairly priced.

SSFC properties: Amazing flavor coil imo and also has great wicking properties. I've noticed after about a week of vaping it when I go to change my cotton and clean the coil. I find my cotton still almost entirely intact. Cons: this coil tends to spit juice rather violently above 120w. If you're using it in an RDA keep the wattage down so you don't burn your tongue. I vape mine around 110 and it's amazing.


Because of PayPal/eBay fees I can always offer better pricing outside of eBay if you'd like to message me we can have that conversation.

My coils I've had guys here using one set of coils well over a month.

I hope I covered your questions but if you have any others I'm here to answer them :)

Thanks!




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The violent spitting at higher Wattage with this coil was easy for me to remedy. I successfully vape mine at 138W in my The Troll RDA 2... they're 26 Kanthal with 4ply .5x.1 Kanthal ribbon and 36 Ni80, 5 wraps, 2.5mm ID (1st and last wraps are very slightly bigger as that eases the insertion of the wick), dualed to .11 Ohms... actually .10 Ohms right now, which is the very minimum my Wismec RX300 will allow. The trick that did it for me was to just wick them differently than you would most other coils. The wick has to be so thick you will pull it almost completely tight... almost as though you were doing the Scottish roll. I use my fingernail to keep these coils from moving whilst pulling the cotton through them. Also, instead of twisting the cotton before and untwisting it after pulling it through, I keep rolling it between my two (clean) hands whilst applying just enough pressure to compress it, uniformly, into a sausage without completely squashing it. Next, I gently scrub it between my three fingertips a few times in one direction to force anything sticking out to either get peeled off or get combed in that direction... away from the end that will be inserted into the coil. I use the biggest of two drip tips that came with my Troll. Airflow on it is set to 2/3 using the diagonal holes.
 

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After making a couple pairs of SSFC's I still gotta give it to the fraliens. Currently have a 6 ply ssfc, and a 6 ply fralien I'm vaping on and I feel the ssfc gives more clouds and still great flavor, but dripping on both I notice the juice on the ssfc runs straight to the well where as the fraliens just soak it up more. (Could be that the fraliens have 40g wrap and the ssfc's 36g)
 

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After making a couple pairs of SSFC's I still gotta give it to the fraliens. Currently have a 6 ply ssfc, and a 6 ply fralien I'm vaping on and I feel the ssfc gives more clouds and still great flavor, but dripping on both I notice the juice on the ssfc runs straight to the well where as the fraliens just soak it up more. (Could be that the fraliens have 40g wrap and the ssfc's 36g)
There's not necessarily always a linear relationship between what happens when you drip and what happens when you vape it. If that made any sense. Underneath that final wrap, hidden from sight there are cavities in between the core of the spaced clapton and the piece of ribbon next to it, and these cavities are a lot bigger compared to those inside a fralien. As soon as the juice starts to boil, that's when these cavities fill up with boiling juice that gets spread out by force as it continues to boil.
 

Kormiro

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Next step is staggered fused clapton, three core fused clapton, three core staggered fused and alien, framed staple and staple Staggered fused clapton. This will give you a more subtle taste if you use thin wires for wrapping. For example 38G. Resistance only matters in the context of current efficiency of your mod. You atomize the through the surface of the coil. You heat the mass of the coil. Wrapping must be thin, because wrapper heat up from contact with the core. If you want to use less power, you need to have a smaller coil weight. For a double coil Staggered fused clapton on three cores 0.30 mm (around 28G) with a 40G wrapper, I need 40W and I use them in Griffin 25 plus.

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I am just starting out learning to build my own coils. I have peefected the clapton and twisted coils. I have attempted framed staple coils but I need to use a thicker ribbon as I can just not get it to lay flat. I have watched all the tutorials out there and it is not easy. I have found so far that my clapton are the best flavor coils. I have staggered fused clapton I ordered premade but I have found that the ramp up time is quite long. I am on to learning how to build the staggered fused clapton. From what I know about clapton I think they are going to be nice flavor coils.
 

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4*28g (kanthal) fused with 38g N80 duals out right around .18-.20 amazingly flavorful. Also rocking a single 3*26g N80 fused with 40g N80 on my squonk that gets the job done.


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Hi so I just bought a geekvape Zeus tank single coil . Can someone point me in right direction for best coil exactly I can get for flavour ? Exact details of what exact coil I will need would be much appreciated as I am a noob

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william.osendott

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Hi so I just bought a geekvape Zeus tank single coil . Can someone point me in right direction for best coil exactly I can get for flavour ? Exact details of what exact coil I will need would be much appreciated as I am a noob

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id suggest either some sort of framed staple variant or a ssfc.. in my single coil rdas I'm rocking a mohawk fralien ( 2*26g frames, 6*.3x.1 ribbon, mohawk alien wrapped with 34g all n80) a SSFC (2*26g frames staggered with 32g, 8*.3x.1 ribbon fused with 36g all n80) and a framed staple (2*26g frames 4*.3x.1 ribbon fused with 38g again, all n80) all have great flavor, all have a different type of vape. a regular ol' alien works well too.. 3*26g alien wrapped with 38g


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william.osendott

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id suggest either some sort of framed staple variant or a ssfc.. in my single coil rdas I'm rocking a mohawk fralien ( 2*26g frames, 6*.3x.1 ribbon, mohawk alien wrapped with 34g all n80) a SSFC (2*26g frames staggered with 32g, 8*.3x.1 ribbon fused with 36g all n80) and a framed staple (2*26g frames 4*.3x.1 ribbon fused with 38g again, all n80) all have great flavor, all have a different type of vape. a regular ol' alien works well too.. 3*26g alien wrapped with 38g


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I was looking for what would give me the best vape experience between variations of claptons, variations of staples, and variations of aliens. After reading this post I'm just wondering:
is the framed staple alien (fralien like some people called it) the ultimate coil ?
It feels like it has the best of all worlds lol.
It seems to be hard/long to build, which is why I can't find any bobbin of it I guess. What kind of build would get close to what fralien offers ? Something I can buy in bobbin.
 

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is the framed staple alien (fralien like some people called it) the ultimate coil ?
Some people think it is. But then the next important question is, are these people the ultimate thinkers ? ;)
 

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Regular Staples are something people often forget. That, and all but squid doode have framed Staples tutorials on YouTube.

I find that if you just get your ribbon stacked neatly at the swivel, put ample pressure and with both hands hold out while going down the stack, tie at the swivel, pressure pull it down, and tie. If you do that it'll come out just fine. I don't use spit, or anything. I just tie and it works just fine.

I vote regular staple. I love this build. I have to make another build station, I moved and had to leave the table. I think I've got a better idea. I'll be up by next weekend.


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mach1ne

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So apart from the fused clapton coils I'm looking to try and start building more advanced flavor chasing coils any advice on what the next step up from fused claptons would be?
in terms of building progression i would suggest staggered fused claptons, aliens, or staple coils next. those are three more advanced techniques that you can combine into any of the wild shit you see pros making. good luck. come hang out in 'post your builds' if you arent already. we will make sure you get to where you want to be as a builder :cheers:

is the framed staple alien (fralien like some people called it) the ultimate coil ?
imo its likely the best all around performer. round wire and ribbon wire builds behave differently, so combining them is usually a good way to get 'the best of both worlds', and alien wrap is just a more efficient wrap than claptons because it sucks juice into the coil, where claptons just hold it there. there are times when the staples dont bring out the best in certain flavors. there are atomizers too small/mods not powerful enough for coils like this etc...but in general, they combine most of the best parts of other coils into a pretty nice package imo. on that note, i have a tank that likes regular aliens better, and other setups that i cant really tell the difference between alien framed staples and fused claptons in. its all a matter of hardware and preference in the end.
 

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Fraliens hands down give me the best flavor , they are not common , but you can find premade ones for sale online if you look. If you are an experienced builder you can just make your own of course . But yeah, aliens in general are usually the best for me, and I've tried all of the "fancy" coil builds...multi core fuxed claptons, aliens, staples, staggered fused claptons&staples, braids, etc....and I always find myself going back to aliens when I want to flavor chase.
The thing with aliens is the way they naturally wick juice. Watch twisted messes YouTube video on aliens, and you will see what i mean. The juice travels along the length of the coil when they wick juice , which I feel is what really puts them over the top.
So what braid did you make and the specs?and also your fralien specs?
 
The best flavor + cloud i get is from SS316L wire, 26GA + Ribbon 0.1*0.8. Twisted and wrap on 2.5mm 10 wraps += 0.4 ohms. I tried many many many coils but this is the best result i've got. I use 24mm Peerless RDTA. Position of the coil is higher than the airflow for more flavor. I use single coil.
 

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The chaps at my local vape shop can’t stop geeking out about Dragon Scale GN coils. They’re always sold out, so I haven’t tried em yet.


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I think the most flavorful coil is mesh. As a bonus it’s super easy to build and wick plus it heats up to temp almost instantaneously and with the huge surface area creates plumes of delicious vapor.
 
If its a mech and you want fast ramp up and all that then 2.5mm Aliens would do the trick. Regulated then i would go for something at 3.0mm ID like framed staple or something. Dont get me wrong. Framed staple works awesome in mech but 2.5mm ID coils are just better in my opinion for mechanical mods.
 

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Sometimes it isn't the coil so much as it may be the RDA. I say this not to deride any coil builder. It is merely a factual statement to consider when chasing after good flavor in vaping.

Giving an example. recently got an SXK clone of the Core RDA. Given the authentic costs around $215 USD my getting a clone for ~$10.00 USD can be forgiven due to my poverty based life. I might one day afford an authentic. That is another tale though.

My point is this Core RDA puts out more flavor for me than a Wasp Nano RDA. I paid about twice the price for the Wasp Nano. On the Core RDA I'm using a single strand, single coil 26 awg SS316 L coil. I wrapped it 7 times around a 3 mm inner diameter. It reads ohms at 0.45, which suits what I like as a "sweet" range of 0.30 to 0.50 on a mechanical mod.

So in sum my whole point applies, it may not be about a coil in attaining flavorful vape. Please excuse me, no intention to derail the thread, or as said deride any builder.
 

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Sometimes it isn't the coil so much as it may be the RDA. I say this not to deride any coil builder. It is merely a factual statement to consider when chasing after good flavor in vaping.

Giving an example. recently got an SXK clone of the Core RDA. Given the authentic costs around $215 USD my getting a clone for ~$10.00 USD can be forgiven due to my poverty based life. I might one day afford an authentic. That is another tale though.

My point is this Core RDA puts out more flavor for me than a Wasp Nano RDA. I paid about twice the price for the Wasp Nano. On the Core RDA I'm using a single strand, single coil 26 awg SS316 L coil. I wrapped it 7 times around a 3 mm inner diameter. It reads ohms at 0.45, which suits what I like as a "sweet" range of 0.30 to 0.50 on a mechanical mod.

So in sum my whole point applies, it may not be about a coil in attaining flavorful vape. Please excuse me, no intention to derail the thread, or as said deride any builder.
Often times it is neither the coil nor the RDA. There is a whole list of other important factors also at play... and then I'm not just talking about the wicking job and the airflow adjustment.

As for "deriding any builder", I don't like to mince words either. You simply can't even begin to talk about flavor performance to someone who doesn't understand basic concepts like the relationship between airflow adjustment and draw strength, how these two factors also need to work together, along with the coil positioning, and power level. Most people don't even know how to properly mount a coil, let alone know anything about the difference in flavor performance between a single round wire build and a pair of highly refined alien coils. Heck, a lot of people actually even prefer heavily diluted flavor. If they have the capacity to learn, but they refuse to learn, then that's their own personal choice. At the end of the day, it doesn't hurt MY vape experience if someone ELSE does theirself the kind of disservice that I call "stubborn stupid". :D
 

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If they have the capacity to learn, but they refuse to learn, then that's their own personal choice.
I call that willful ignorance and usually move on from such a person. There's little I choose being willfully ignorant about any more. You pointed something out to me which I shamefully admitted. Then, seeing your point I learned.

Would not mind trying some of the fancier coils. That noted, I know my vaping experience and know I do well enough to suit myself using simple round wire, single coil builds. Part of my vaping experience involves using single celled mechanical mods of the 18650 model. That means I know what coils it'll push, or not. Some of the fancier coils will not make the cut, obviously.

Would I try a different battery configuration? I won't close the door and say no, but to me it seems unlikely. Why? Well, to me affordability and durability are "selling points". I do not prefer regulated devices as they in the past for me have died, malfunctioned beyond my ability to repair. And no, I won't hassle myself to get customer service to help. The damn device ought to do as it is made to do. Yes, I'm aware of needing to use it within its fault tolerances and do so. It still for lack of better, fucks up.

This is why I prefer mechanical devices. They have little to go wrong and if so usually have simple ways to fix them. I don't need to hassle anyone, usually. But I could try a dual battery mechanical possibly. I have one gifted that I have. It is rarely to seldom used though. It isn't too much for me but it requires I use a different thought process to use, to manage. It is also rather delicate being a home made fashioned device. I'd like to keep it up, nice. It is a rarity to someone who not often affords such pleasures in life.

So in that regard I'm not willfully ignorant of fancier coils, rather I discerningly choose to not use them. Do I miss out? Possibly. Then, again that is of course my choice so I'll not complain over it. Am I slighting anyone using them, making them? No, not at all. And yes, as point out there's many factors to vaping, not only coils or rda, wicking, juice. I could list quite a while but barometer, altitude are two I can call to the fore offhand.

And ultimately, that's all I saying, there's a lot of factors to consider. :)

Apologies for my editing. I woke to take a dog out and was still groggy headed as I wrote.
 
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I call that willful ignorance and usually move on from such a person. There's little I choose being willfully ignorant about any more. You pointed something out to me which I shamefully admitted. Then, seeing your point I learned.

Would not mind trying some of the fancier coils. That noted, I know my vaping experience and know I do well enough to suit myself using simple round wire, single coil builds. Part of my vaping experience involves using single celled mechanical mods of the 18650 model. That means I know what coils it'll push, or not. Some of the fancier coils will not make the cut, obviously.

Would I try a different battery configuration? I won't close the door and say no, but to me it seems unlikely. Why? Well, to me affordability and durability are "selling points". I do not prefer regulated devices as they in the past for me have died, malfunctioned beyond my ability to repair. And no, I won't hassle myself to get customer service to help. The damn device ought to do as it is made to do. Yes, I'm aware of needing to use it within its fault tolerances and do so. It still for lack of better, fucks up.

This is why I prefer mechanical devices. They have little to go wrong and if so usually have simple ways to fix them. I don't need to hassle anyone, usually. But I could try a dual battery mechanical possibly. I have one gifted that I have. It is rarely to seldom used though. It isn't too much for me but it requires I use a different thought process to use, to manage. It is also rather delicate being a home made fashioned device. I'd like to keep it up, nice. It is a rarity to someone who not often affords such pleasures in life.

So in that regard I'm not willfully ignorant of fancier coils, rather I discerningly choose to not use them.
You never told me that you are a sado masochist. :p
Do I miss out? Possibly. then, again that is of course my choice so I'll not complain over it. Am I slighting anyone using them, making them? No, not at all. And yes, as point out there's many factors to vaping, not only coils or rda, wicking, juice. I could list quite a while but barometer, altitude are two I can call to the fore offhand.

And ultimately, that's all I saying, there's a lot of factors to consider. :)

Apologies for my editing. I woke to take a dog out and was still groggy headed as I wrote.
 

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I had a need to tell you? *grin* Ah, you know me so well. *chuckles*
Here's a pic of one of my worn out coil builds, 27/36 Ni80 aliens at 2.5mm ID dual coil = .11 ohms. I vaped on them with one of my single 21700 tube mechs for more than 2 months and a half, but they are still vapable, and, they will continue to get worse if you keep vaping on them so, they should be able to satisfy all your sado masochist needs. 🤣

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Here's a pic of one of my worn out coil builds, 27/36 Ni80 aliens at 2.5mm ID dual coil = .11 ohms. I vaped on them with one of my single 21700 tube mechs for more than 2 months and a half, but they are still vapable, and, they will continue to get worse if you keep vaping on them so, they should be able to satisfy all your sado masochist needs. 🤣

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Oh yeah, that's a nice looking setup. I got a tube mechanical with a 20700 battery, what out to push something like that, Got a Kennedy deck I could put it on too, I think. Though I may need try something fancy like that as a single coil, built to at least 0.25 ohms.

Again, didn't say I would not try them, rather it just seemed unlikely for me. Yes, it ought to do the trick, too. My wife would complain I was blowing my face off. *chuckles* I know though how serious one needs to be though despite the humor.

Just for this, you can be in the Secret Club as well. Don't tell anyone about the Secret Club though. If asked, it's a secret and you know only that. *grin*
 

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Oh yeah, that's a nice looking setup. I got a tube mechanical with a 20700 battery, what out to push something like that, Got a Kennedy deck I could put it on too, I think. Though I may need try something fancy like that as a single coil, built to at least 0.25 ohms.

Again, didn't say I would not try them, rather it just seemed unlikely for me. Yes, it ought to do the trick, too. My wife would complain I was blowing my face off. *chuckles* I know though how serious one needs to be though despite the humor.
0.25 ohms on a single battery mech at 4.2V hardly produces any vapor at all. It is logical fallacy to think that lowering the power by such a huge amount can still be called flavor chasing nowadays... it is suitable for those who are desperately clinging on to a long gone past─excepting of course if you have the lung capacity of a mouse, and then I'm not even joking about it. Dual coil at 0.25 ohms, 29/36 at 3mm ID (pic below) is how I do flavor chasing on a series mech.

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0.25 ohms on a single battery mech at 4.2V hardly produces any vapor at all. It is logical fallacy to think that lowering the power by such a huge amount can still be called flavor chasing nowadays
Ah ha, but I'll point out here and again, I myself am a moderate vaper. I do not chase flavor, or cloud particularly. But yes I see your point for those who do. My point being I like a combination of both in a moderate manner. And if honest I'm not greatly concerned for either, as I'm just suiting myself.

Yep, I might have a mouse's lung capacity, I'll grant that. Although at one time I could hold my breath for about four minutes, which may or may not do with capacity. Used to swim though a good bit and four minutes was doing okay I was taught given most at the time only managed thirty seconds. Now, out of practice I'll likely join the thirty second crowd, unfortunately.

Passed out but got awakened. You really need to keep your thoughts quieter. *grin* *clears throat* Not that I exactly mind being risen from slumber in such a way, it is though sometimes a little awkward.
 

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Ah ha, but I'll point out here and again, I myself am a moderate vaper. I do not chase flavor, or cloud particularly. But yes I see your point for those who do. My point being I like a combination of both in a moderate manner. And if honest I'm not greatly concerned for either, as I'm just suiting myself.

Yep, I might have a mouse's lung capacity, I'll grant that. Although at one time I could hold my breath for about four minutes, which may or may not do with capacity. Used to swim though a good bit and four minutes was doing okay I was taught given most at the time only managed thirty seconds. Now, out of practice I'll likely join the thirty second crowd, unfortunately.

Passed out but got awakened. You really need to keep your thoughts quieter. *grin* *clears throat* Not that I exactly mind being risen from slumber in such a way, it is though sometimes a little awkward.
That's also my point... when other people see my cloud, they automatically assume that it is cloud chasing, when the reality is that I have never actually even tried a coil build that even just LOOKS like it could have something to do with that. You see, I keep getting alien coils for free from someone who can make them a lot faster than I can. So basically what that means is, it would take extra effort from me to wrap a simple round wire coil, and, I'm incredibly lazy, or at least I very often feel like that's what I am. Why would I want put in extra effort, only to go from top notch flavor performance to a mediocre vape experience with diluted flavor and lacking any kind of 'oomph'? I would still be smoking normal cigarettes today if flavor chasing nowadays was still about getting something that feels like─aside from the throat hit caused by using high levels of nicotine that I don't like because it's purely about adding more harshness─inhaling just air with a bit of flavor added. Yea, I already know that it is possible to tame the harshness by going for nic salts or by lowering the nic strength. But it still doesn't solve the problem of PG harshness, nor solves the problem of PG starting to taste chemical above 30%.

My lung capacity is slightly below average. I don't do any kind of physical training or sports activities because like I said, I'm lazy... just the thought of counting how many times a random person on the internet has kept claiming that you can't get a relaxed vape experience at such high levels of power─or that you can't get the best flavor performance with such big clouds─makes me feel exhausted. You can't get any flavor performance by dividing a single teaspoon of food into twelve rations. You CERTAINLY can't mimic normal cigarettes by sucking on a vape for seven whole seconds. So, even if you DO prefer diluted flavor, you STILL can't expect everyone to pour water into every drink and stuff like that. That is not how the world works.
 

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So, even if you DO prefer diluted flavor, you STILL can't expect everyone to pour water into every drink and stuff like that. That is not how the world works.
No, I agree with you there. Not that I find my flavor diluted, nor clouds lacking. I use max vg and only possibly add around 10% or less pg from flavorings. I do agree what's "right" for me isn't necessarily "right" for anyone else.

It's my hope I didn't read as saying "my way is best" or "vape my way only". That was not my intention, only expressing a different point of view to take, or leave, an opinion, same as others bandy about. *chuckles* Vaping is so subjective, I dislike any "holy wars" in our "community". I've always tried to prefix or use words that don't push my view on anyone else. If I fail to not read that way, I apologize sincerely.

I'm probably better gnawing on my foot. By the way, I think it's your intensity I enjoy. Do not ever change that core aspect of yourself, please?
 

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