Big Mex aka Marcus K Bailey is on the Ohio's Child Sexual offenders list

[kelli]

it infuriates me that these guys are released from prison early. they are pronounced "safe" when they are virtually non-rehabilitatable....the urge does not leave them, and 90% are arrested again after being released. and keep in mind that the average child molester victimizes 260 children in their lifetime. so just between the two we have talked about here, there probably have been or will be over 500 lives permanently fucked up. IMO, it's an indefensible crime.

some glaring and disturbing statistics.....http://www.yellodyno.com/statistics/statistics_child_molester.html

 

[SMOKIE]

VaporJoe will be on http://vapers.tv/southernvaperz this Tue 10/21/14 10 PM est representing Nova on the Celtic controversy they have dedicated this show for,

 

[Warhawk-AVG]

Holy crap...won't be able to see the broadcast (will be working)

Not sure if Joe knew...would definitely like to know the jist of the broadcast

By the image...Joe didn't and Smokie and the crew might be helping him dig a hole (shoot, shovel, shutup...kinda thing)

Wow....just...WOW

 

[headrickwife]

I see that Celtic did time for not registering, but I can't get him to come up on any of the sex offender registry sites. Does anyone have a link to one that shows it? I find it impossible to believe he should not be registered.

 

[VapinChevy]

sexual offenders are not permitted to have facebook accounts, communicate online, etc... so how is this pervert getting away with this?

Actually it all depends on the state! A house next to my sister's houses a Sexual Predator, but he "IS" permitted to use the computer, have a fb and communicate online... It's closely monitored, but it is permitted. Pending on how bad that person fucked up! Ohio's Laws are so bullshit!

 

[Spike64]

Holy crap...won't be able to see the broadcast (will be working)

Not sure if Joe knew...would definitely like to know the jist of the broadcast

By the image...Joe didn't and Smokie and the crew might be helping him dig a hole (shoot, shovel, shutup...kinda thing)

Wow....just...WOW

Here ya go...it was recorded...

 

[VapinChevy]

Here ya go...it was recorded...

The top 2 are complete *********, especially on this topic *My Opinion*! He plead guilty to get it over with and got his 1+yr sentence! If he would have kept his mouth shut, he would've gotten the full 10yrs! Which isn't right since he IS INNOCENT/Set Up!!!! I will say one more thing, to all you Asshats-Haters on CF...
YOU CAN "KISS MY I Support CF 100% + I'd watch Mod Envy/Done Deal and ALL other Shows, regardless of give-a-ways or NOT!!!

 

[Spike64]

The top 2 are complete *********, especially on this topic *My Opinion*! He plead guilty to get it over with and got his 1+yr sentence! If he would have kept his mouth shut, he would've gotten the full 10yrs! Which isn't right since he IS INNOCENT/Set Up!!!! I will say one more thing, to all you Asshats-Haters on CF...
YOU CAN "KISS MY View attachment 7670 + I'd watch Mod Envy/Done Deal and ALL other Shows, regardless of give-a-ways or NOT!!!

Don't hold back dude....say what you really mean...let it all out...lol

 

[VapinChevy]

Don't hold back dude....say what you really mean...let it all out...lol

I'm done, until I get another wild hair

 

[EthelMaltol]

Says video not available. So, basically Joe is sticking up for CF?

 

[Spike64]

Says video not available. So, basically Joe is sticking up for CF?

It works when I run it...and basically, yes...Joe is supporting CF...

 

[Tripster]

So...a man kills 2 Sex Offenders and gets a Life Sentencing but Sex Offenders serve no more than a year?

Disgusting...utterly disgusting bullshit!

 

[Warhawk-AVG]

The top 2 are complete *********, especially on this topic *My Opinion*! He plead guilty to get it over with and got his 1+yr sentence! If he would have kept his mouth shut, he would've gotten the full 10yrs! Which isn't right since he IS INNOCENT/Set Up!!!! I will say one more thing, to all you Asshats-Haters on CF...
YOU CAN "KISS MY View attachment 7670 + I'd watch Mod Envy/Done Deal and ALL other Shows, regardless of give-a-ways or NOT!!!

Same exact same thing happened to my brother in law

Had a prior felony conviction for stealing stuff when he was younger and stupid (yeah people do stupid shit sometimes)
neighbor lady wanted his land, he wouldn't sell it
sent her 13yo daughter over one day when he was mowing the yard with riding mower and give her a ride on the mower
she claimed he touched her breast
defense attorney told him to take a plea bargain and claim "no contest" or they would pull him thru the knot hole due to his prior felony
he served a few years has to register as a sex offender
lady later on ponied up and said it was BS...damage was done and he can't get off the list (he has tried)

The system is set up to pretty much have a revolving door attitude...once you screw up...if you screw up again you have NO defense...they gotcha

With that said...true child predators should be dealt with in a viscous manner...but the case needs to be thoroughly investigated and then dealt with on a case by case basis...zero tolerance anything is bullshit

-edit-

with that said, after watching the video

Joe sir, I highly respect you, you are a leader and a very prominent figure in vaping...however supporting a person that chose to plead guilty and accept a conviction (when someone says guilty they are convicted PERIOD) they are now damaged goods, and to keep a guy on your network only creates a very bad black spot. I love my brother in law mentioned from above...but would not allow him to be a public entity (whether you believe him or not) when the entire community and it's moral compass is at stake.

Celtic needs to be ostracized, kids are hot button issue for many and they see him as a predator, setup or not...the guy is a cancer in the works, for the sake of "the community" please put him on "administrative leave" or whatever you want to call it...

I don't have the documents that you guys have..but listening to the discussion...He is damaged goods, Celtic needs to get shelved sir (in my opinion)

Predators of children are one of the unforgivable sins in America...hard cold fact
(ya know that whole "do it for the chiiiiiiilllldren" thing)

Final question, if the truth is found out do you have the courage to stand up in front of everyone and admit you were wrong?

 

[Spike64]

Same exact same thing happened to my brother in law

Had a prior felony conviction for stealing stuff when he was younger and stupid (yeah people do stupid shit sometimes)
neighbor lady wanted his land, he wouldn't sell it
sent her 13yo daughter over one day when he was mowing the yard with riding mower and give her a ride on the mower
she claimed he touched her breast
defense attorney told him to take a plea bargain and claim "no contest" or they would pull him thru the knot hole due to his prior felony
he served a few years has to register as a sex offender
lady later on ponied up and said it was BS...damage was done and he can't get off the list (he has tried)

The system is set up to pretty much have a revolving door attitude...once you screw up...if you screw up again you have NO defense...they gotcha

With that said...true child predators should be dealt with in a viscous manner...but the case needs to be thoroughly investigated and then dealt with on a case by case basis...zero tolerance anything is bullshit

-edit-

with that said, after watching the video

Joe sir, I highly respect you, you are a leader and a very prominent figure in vaping...however supporting a person that chose to plead guilty and accept a conviction (when someone says guilty they are convicted PERIOD) they are now damaged goods, and to keep a guy on your network only creates a very bad black spot. I love my brother in law mentioned from above...but would not allow him to be a public entity (whether you believe him or not) when the entire community and it's moral compass is at stake.

Celtic needs to be ostracized, kids are hot button issue for many and they see him as a predator, setup or not...the guy is a cancer in the works, for the sake of "the community" please put him on "administrative leave" or whatever you want to call it...

I don't have the documents that you guys have..but listening to the discussion...He is damaged goods, Celtic needs to get shelved sir (in my opinion)

Predators of children are one of the unforgivable sins in America...hard cold fact
(ya know that whole "do it for the chiiiiiiilllldren" thing)

Final question, if the truth is found out do you have the courage to stand up in front of everyone and admit you were wrong?

From what I've seen and read, apparently CF did step down as a mod and host on Nova...I noticed last night on Nova that he was listed in the chatters list as opposed to the mods list...

 

[BigNasty]

In a perfect world those who hurt and pray on the children and the infirm would just do us all a favor and gargle a hot load of buck shot.

 

[kelli]

while i am sure that there are "setups" where innocent people are accused and convicted of sexual predation, it cannot be assumed that they were set up just because they said they were. the victims can easily verify the crime....children don't usually have an agenda to have someone unjustly put away. if you have never been the prey of one of these monsters, you cannot fully appreciate what damage it does to a young mind and future mental health.

one thing i don't agree with is 18 year olds who have sex with 16 year olds, being lumped into the same category as those who prey on young children. but yet when you look at the list of offenders, they all are included. to me, there is a big diff between one underage teen having sex with an 18 year old, and a perv who gets his kicks molesting younger children. they should be categorized as such IMO.

 

[cigarbabe]

Same exact same thing happened to my brother in law

Had a prior felony conviction for stealing stuff when he was younger and stupid (yeah people do stupid shit sometimes)
neighbor lady wanted his land, he wouldn't sell it
sent her 13yo daughter over one day when he was mowing the yard with riding mower and give her a ride on the mower
she claimed he touched her breast
defense attorney told him to take a plea bargain and claim "no contest" or they would pull him thru the knot hole due to his prior felony
he served a few years has to register as a sex offender
lady later on ponied up and said it was BS...damage was done and he can't get off the list (he has tried)

The system is set up to pretty much have a revolving door attitude...once you screw up...if you screw up again you have NO defense...they gotcha

With that said...true child predators should be dealt with in a viscous manner...but the case needs to be thoroughly investigated and then dealt with on a case by case basis...zero tolerance anything is bullshit

-edit-

with that said, after watching the video

Joe sir, I highly respect you, you are a leader and a very prominent figure in vaping...however supporting a person that chose to plead guilty and accept a conviction (when someone says guilty they are convicted PERIOD) they are now damaged goods, and to keep a guy on your network only creates a very bad black spot. I love my brother in law mentioned from above...but would not allow him to be a public entity (whether you believe him or not) when the entire community and it's moral compass is at stake.

Celtic needs to be ostracized, kids are hot button issue for many and they see him as a predator, setup or not...the guy is a cancer in the works, for the sake of "the community" please put him on "administrative leave" or whatever you want to call it...

I don't have the documents that you guys have..but listening to the discussion...He is damaged goods, Celtic needs to get shelved sir (in my opinion)

Predators of children are one of the unforgivable sins in America...hard cold fact
(ya know that whole "do it for the chiiiiiiilllldren" thing)

Final question, if the truth is found out do you have the courage to stand up in front of everyone and admit you were wrong?

I have never hidden anything from the viewers.
I believe in transparency personally as well as for Nova.
So the answer is yes, I would say "I was wrong".
C.B.

 

[EthelMaltol]

Ok, if we assume the charges were bogus in the first place, why would he go to jail, rather than register?

 

[EthelMaltol]

Sorry, for the double post, but does anyone have a link to the video? I still csnt get it to play. Thanks!

 

[Spike64]

one thing i don't agree with is 18 year olds who have sex with 16 year olds, being lumped into the same category as those who prey on young children. but yet when you look at the list of offenders, they all are included. to me, there is a big diff between one underage teen having sex with an 18 year old, and a perv who gets his kicks molesting younger children. they should be categorized as such IMO.

I agree...to a point...I like "Romeo and Juliet" laws....if a young adult and a minor are having sex, but this relationship started when they were both minors, fine...If 17 yr old boy and his 15 yr old girlfriend were getting it on and now he is 18 and she is 16...no problem,this is a long established relationship....but I believe that in any other circumstance, once you reach the age of majority, it's time to move on from starting and having physical relationships with minors...

 

[kelli]

I agree...to a point...I like "Romeo and Juliet" laws....if a young adult and a minor are having sex, but this relationship started when they were both minors, fine...If 17 yr old boy and his 15 yr old girlfriend were getting it on and now he is 18 and she is 16...no problem,this is a long established relationship....but I believe that in any other circumstance, once you reach the age of majority, it's time to move on from starting and having physical relationships with minors...

yes i see your point, but i still don't think it's right to lump them in with the true sickos who prey on children. it should be a separate classification of sex crime.

 

[Spike64]

Well...clearly, we have differing opinions on this and I do respect yours...but, as a father of a 12 yr old girl, I wont be classifying it differently if I end up in that position with my daughter down the road...in fact, the young MAN might prefer seeking out the police to turn himself in instead of dealing with me...

I say this because at 18, I was a man and I knew it...as such, I kept my pecker out of the high schools...at 18 my girlfriend was 20....I didnt try to bed down school kids...no adult should...

 

[kelli]

Well...clearly, we have differing opinions on this and I do respect yours...but, as a father of a 12 yr old girl, I wont be classifying it differently if I end up in that position with my daughter down the road...in fact, the young MAN might prefer seeking out the police to turn himself in instead of dealing with me...

I say this because at 18, I was a man and I knew it...as such, I kept my pecker out of the high schools...at 18 my girlfriend was 20....I didnt try to bed down school kids...no adult should...

as a person who was sexually abused multiple times over many years, i have no sympathy for sexual criminals. and i appreciate your protective nature toward your daughter. but there is still a big difference between an 18 year old boy having sex with a 17 year old girl, and a 42 year old man molesting 4-12 year old girls. i think we can agree on at least that.

 

[Drone]

I watched that video and supposedly (according to Joe) he was charged with misdemeanors, not felonies. You don't go to prison for 10 years for misdemeanors. Whatever, maybe I'm ignorant of the law, but this sounds like just a standard reduction of charges in a plea bargain.

But this I know. A real man stands up for his rights and convictions and does not plead to a lesser charge just for the convenience of not having to fight the fight. A real man would fight to uphold his honor and integrity in something this reprehensible. Real men would not be able to face themselves if they did this. It would destroy them at a very fundamental level and they would be lesser... for the rest of their lives.

Maybe he was setup as he said (but don't all guilty folks say that?), but he traded his honor and integrity for his freedom. Fight for your rights and honor or don't even try to uphold the pretense of innocence, you won't be believed because you've shown you're not a man with integrity.

I know I will get blasted and ridiculed for this, so OK have at it. I do believe actions speak louder than words, and I have heard his words and seen his actions. Sorry, real men would rather die with integrity than live without it.

 

[cigarbabe]

Speculate all you want as is your right.
Nobody can know in any given situation what they'd do until it happens to them.
Tell me please, since everyone ever charged with any crime, felony or otherwise is "guilty" as you've said
("but don't all guilty folks say that?") .
What is the excuse for those who have died or were executed only to be exonerated after the fact?
Are they guilty of not fighting hard enough, not protesting loudly or as in some cases simply not capable?
I've seen alleged "real men" who have beaten their children to death for crying...........
They were proud of the fact that they disciplined the child "like a real man" is supposed to........
Personally I find those folks are far from being any kind of men.
I'm just curious to hear how you see those situations.
C.B.

 

[Spike64]

as a person who was sexually abused multiple times over many years, i have no sympathy for sexual criminals. and i appreciate your protective nature toward your daughter. but there is still a big difference between an 18 year old boy having sex with a 17 year old girl, and a 42 year old man molesting 4-12 year old girls. i think we can agree on at least that.

Of course we can agree on that...an adult molesting a little tiny kid is certainly a more heinous act than an 18 yr old having sex with a 17 yr old IMHO (I still dont like it tho...but thats just me)....and I'm very sorry for what you went through...

 

[Spike64]

I watched that video and supposedly (according to Joe) he was charged with misdemeanors, not felonies. You don't go to prison for 10 years for misdemeanors. Whatever, maybe I'm ignorant of the law, but this sounds like just a standard reduction of charges in a plea bargain.

But this I know. A real man stands up for his rights and convictions and does not plead to a lesser charge just for the convenience of not having to fight the fight. A real man would fight to uphold his honor and integrity in something this reprehensible. Real men would not be able to face themselves if they did this. It would destroy them at a very fundamental level and they would be lesser... for the rest of their lives.

Maybe he was setup as he said (but don't all guilty folks say that?), but he traded his honor and integrity for his freedom. Fight for your rights and honor or don't even try to uphold the pretense of innocence, you won't be believed because you've shown you're not a man with integrity.

I know I will get blasted and ridiculed for this, so OK have at it. I do believe actions speak louder than words, and I have heard his words and seen his actions. Sorry, real men would rather die with integrity than live without it.

I'm curious how pleading guilty to a misdemeanor gets one a 10 yr sentence as well...I know that I live in a different state, but pleading guilty to a misdemeanor here gets you a maximum of a year and your record wont show any mention of a 10 yr sentence...hmmmm

 

[cigarbabe]

He didn't do ten years drone.
He served two years for a registry violation.
The lawyer did not fight for the charges to be run concurrent so they ran consecutively.
He got one year of probation for each of the five counts
C.B.

 

[kelli]

case in point: a friend of mine's father was accused of child molestation by 3 teenage girls. they said they were abused by him when they were younger at a day care, and came forward years later when they couldn't deal with it any longer. now you would think if he were innocent, he would have raised holy hell and vehemently denied the charges. but he apologized to the victims in court, plead guilty, and got 7 years in prison. afterward, he said he only plead guilty to get a lesser sentence, and declared his innocence.

nobody bought his story. it's not believable someone innocent of child molestation would plead guilty if they weren't....ever.

and i don't know if CF is guilty or not, but he was posting on the vape show last night as if nothing ever happened.

 

[Warhawk-AVG]

yes i see your point, but i still don't think it's right to lump them in with the true sickos who prey on children. it should be a separate classification of sex crime.

agreed

 

[duroSIG556R]

Speculate all you want as is your right.
Nobody can know in any given situation what they'd do until it happens to them.
Tell me please, since everyone ever charged with any crime, felony rwise is "guilty" as you've said
("but don't all guilty folks say that?") .
What is the excuse for those who have died or were executed only to be exonerated after the fact?
Are they guilty of not fighting hard enough, not protesting loudly or as in some cases simply not capable?
I've seen alleged "real men" who have beaten their children to death for crying...........
They were proud of the fact that they disciplined the child "like a real man" is supposed to........
Personally I find those folks are far from being any kind of men.
I'm just curious to hear how you see those situations.
C.B.

False convictions aren't at all common. I seriously doubt celtic fury's wife at the time had the means to obtain these pictures. As joe had mmentioned, you can't just find this stuff anywhere. Celtic's excuse sounds like a cop out. On top of that, celtic seems to match the profile.

 

[Spike64]

Just as a side note...on a Nova show the other night, CF was on as a regular chatter....some folks apparently hadn't heard what happened and asked him why he wasn't a mod....he said he was on "hiatus"....I'm not sure what that really means...don't folks on "hiatus" from anything have intentions of eventually returning to whatever they are on "hiatus" from?.....it may mean nothing but it just struck me as an odd thing...

 

[kelli]

Just as a side note...on a Nova show the other night, CF was on as a regular chatter....some folks apparently hadn't heard what happened and asked him why he wasn't a mod....he said he was on "hiatus"....I'm not sure what that really means...don't folks on "hiatus" from anything have intentions of eventually returning to whatever they are on "hiatus" from?.....it may mean nothing but it just struck me as an odd thing...

all i know for sure is if he is in fact a sexual predator, he will not inhabit the same cyber space as me. and if he receives any support from this camp, i am history.

 

[cherrycakes]

Omg Kelli your new avatar is breathtaking!

 

[kelli]

Omg Kelli your new avatar is breathtaking!

well, that's cause i'm not breathing in it.

 

[Spike64]

Omg Kelli your new avatar is breathtaking!

I agree....

 

[Roger Schaeffer]

while i am sure that there are "setups" where innocent people are accused and convicted of sexual predation, it cannot be assumed that they were set up just because they said they were. the victims can easily verify the crime....children don't usually have an agenda to have someone unjustly put away. if you have never been the prey of one of these monsters, you cannot fully appreciate what damage it does to a young mind and future mental health.

one thing i don't agree with is 18 year olds who have sex with 16 year olds, being lumped into the same category as those who prey on young children. but yet when you look at the list of offenders, they all are included. to me, there is a big diff between one underage teen having sex with an 18 year old, and a perv who gets his kicks molesting younger children. they should be categorized as such IMO.

Age of Consent Laws
Federal law[change | change source]
The Federal government has a legal age of consent of 18. Federal law, however, applies only to sexual acts that involve travel between different states, countries, or on federal property. This makes it a crime to use any form of communication between states to try to get a minor to have sex with an adult. Even if the minor and adult are in the same state, if the communication leaves the state, it is a crime. For example, if both people live in the same state and use an instant messaging program to communicate, and if the server used for the communication is in another state, this is a crime.

It is also a crime for a minor to be taken to a different state to have sex. This could happen if the 16 year old lived in a state that had an age of consent of 18 but traveled to a state where the age limit was 16. If the adult travels to a different state or a different country to have sex with a minor, this is only a federal crime if the minor is under the age of 16. It may still be a local crime if the minor was under the age of consent of the state or nation where the sex happened but it is not a federal crime.

States[change | change source]
Each US state has its own age of consent. State laws set the age of consent at 16, 17 or 18. The most common age is 16.[2]

• age of consent 16 (32): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
• age of consent 17 (9): Colorado, Illinois, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Texas, Wyoming, Louisiana (as of april 1st 2014 http://www.age-of-consent.info/states/Louisiana)
• age of consent 18 (10): Arizona, California, Delaware, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin,1

1: In Pennsylvania, the age of consent is 16. If the minor is under the age of 18, the adult can be charged with "Corruption of a Minor". This is a misdemeanor.[3] If the adult is in a position of power (teacher, clergy, or Police for example), this is afelony.[4] Even though the age of consent is 16, it is still a crime until the age of 18. Because of this, Pennsylvania is normally listed as if it had an age of consent of 18.

Some states have exceptions to the law for people below the age of consent if their partner's ag

 

[oncebitten]

I fucking hate perverts like this.

 

[oncebitten]

@duroSIG556R ya good catch. Fucking kiddy porn charges for fury.
16-12-100 - SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF CHILDREN 02/18/2005 is a no bueno.

Ugh... he lives less than 8 miles from me... I had NO idea

 

[cigarbabe]

I get that people want to see him as some sort of monster who did all these heinous things.
That documents don't back that up.
The police never found any pictures of him with children or abusing children.
They found 1 CD out of many floppy discs.
Nor did they find any communications of him soliciting or trying to talk to them.
I feel for anyone who has been a victim and that includes those in my family, those here
and those hosts at nova who have been victims.
I was in the show and I never saw CF "posting as if nothing happened".

Just as a side note...on a Nova show the other night, CF was on as a regular chatter....some folks apparently hadn't heard what happened and asked him why he wasn't a mod....he said he was on "hiatus"....I'm not sure what that really means...don't folks on "hiatus" from anything have intentions of eventually returning to whatever they are on "hiatus" from?.....it may mean nothing but it just struck me as an odd thing...

I can't answer for CF.
Nova has no plans to re-instate him.
We previously allowed many hosts to be on hiatus while they had surgery or sorted out some issue their lives.
He will not be broadcasting anywhere to my knowledge.

False convictions aren't at all common. I seriously doubt celtic fury's wife at the time had the means to obtain these pictures. As joe had mmentioned, you can't just find this stuff anywhere. Celtic's excuse sounds like a cop out. On top of that, celtic seems to match the profile.

She had access to that computer.
Her statement to the police said as much.
I will not be speculating on whether or not you can find whatever porn anywhere I don't choose to access it and that is my prerogative.
I haven't a clue what "profile" you are talking about Duro.
If you mean he "looks guilty" well I'm sorry to hear that from you......
I am not taking anyone's side here.
Here are some facts to dispute Duro's statement about very few getting convicted wrongly.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-2000-false-convictions-in-past-23-years?lite

Goodnight all.

 

[kelli]

thank you for your post, CB. i apologize if i have given anyone the idea that someone is guilty if they are not. perhaps i am too emotionally biased against those who have only been accused or alleged to have been involved in child porn or abuse. i need to shut up now. sorry.

 

[Spike64]

thank you for your post, CB. i apologize if i have given anyone the idea that someone is guilty if they are not. perhaps i am too emotionally biased against those who have only been accused or alleged to have been involved in child porn or abuse. i need to shut up now. sorry.

I'm confused by your apology...I dont recall you discussing anyone who hasn't pleaded guilty and been convicted...there is no "alleged" anything...

 

[Spike64]

Never mind....lol

 

[Drone]

well, that's cause i'm not breathing in it.

I gotta tell ya Kelli. After seeing your avatar, I'm not breathing either. That avatar could have serious effects on my health, but not complaining... just trying to breathe.

 

[oncebitten]

Well, I just learned not to ask about this on Vapers TV. As someone that lives just a few miles from one of these perverts I asked about it. I was quickly purged from the chat. I hate perverts and sex offenders. It is what it is. I really wish VJ and the associated network wouldn't stand behind those that have been duly convicted of these offenses against minors. Once again, it is what it is.

 

[Drone]

Speculate all you want as is your right.
Nobody can know in any given situation what they'd do until it happens to them.
Tell me please, since everyone ever charged with any crime, felony or otherwise is "guilty" as you've said
("but don't all guilty folks say that?") .
What is the excuse for those who have died or were executed only to be exonerated after the fact?
Are they guilty of not fighting hard enough, not protesting loudly or as in some cases simply not capable?
I've seen alleged "real men" who have beaten their children to death for crying...........
They were proud of the fact that they disciplined the child "like a real man" is supposed to........
Personally I find those folks are far from being any kind of men.
I'm just curious to hear how you see those situations.
C.B.

Really? You consider real men to be child beaters? You're sick Cigarbabe. I wish I could help but this is beyond me.

 

[Cruel-Phate]

I gotta tell ya Kelli. After seeing your avatar, I'm not breathing either. That avatar could have serious effects on my health, but not complaining... just trying to breathe.

ditto!

 

[Drone]

To be blatantly clear. I would be willing to entertain the thought of a "setup" to someone who tried to fight these charges and lost to the judicial system. I would willingly listen to their arguments and justifications. But no, if you plead guilty to a heinous crime to reduce your consequences and don't try to defend yourself and your honor at all, then I have lost all faith that you have any interest other than your own personal benefit without thought of how you portray yourself to the world and become an example for the next generation to follow.

Cigarbabe- you really need to find better men that do not beat children and proclaim to be "real men". Being real men and claiming to be are many times completely different things. But if you ever find a real man, you will most assuredly learn the difference.

Is chivalry dead? No, but as throughout history, it is exceedingly rare. Cherish it when you find it and try to pass on those values.

 

[Warhawk-AVG]

Really? You consider real men to be child beaters? You're sick Cigarbabe. I wish I could help but this is beyond me.

I think you missed a few key words and some quotes there

You are up in arms over nothing I am afraid

She didn't say what you think she said

alleged "real men" nope...I don't think he considers them to be real men...cmon now

 

[Warhawk-AVG]

To be blatantly clear. I would be willing to entertain the thought of a "setup" to someone who tried to fight these charges and lost to the judicial system. I would willingly listen to their arguments and justifications. But no, if you plead guilty to a heinous crime to reduce your consequences and don't try to defend yourself and your honor at all, then I have lost all faith that you have any interest other than your own personal benefit without thought of how you portray yourself to the world and become an example for the next generation to follow.

Cigarbabe- you really need to find better men that do not beat children and proclaim to be "real men". Being real men and claiming to be are many times completely different things. But if you ever find a real man, you will most assuredly learn the difference.

Is chivalry dead? No, but as throughout history, it is exceedingly rare. Cherish it when you find it and try to pass on those values.

ok...this, agreed (other than the cigar babe real men thing...I don't think for one second she is "ok" with a guy beating a child...NOONE in their right mind is)