It is still a statement from the owner, and there lies the conflict of interest ... unlike a third-party tester that puts their reputation/ livelihood on the line and has no conflict of interest.
everyone arguing over if they do or dont use acetoin not one person contaced them but me and matt. if you are going to stand against something I say know the facts. facts is they use acetoin in a few flavors. did they lie to me ? they actually corrected me. like I said want a more specific answer ask one or conduct your own clearstream project can only cost a few million lol.
ya but there obviously is 2 sides of that coin. you think no one has ever provided false documents either? that stance is 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other cant trust anyone.Your honesty or trustworthyness is not the question, nor is it in doubt. The question is quite simple. Are there third party acetoin test for FA? No or not yet, is the answer.
Been vaping CAP V1 flavorings for over 2 years and not even dry knuckles yet.
The question is quite simple. Are there third party acetoin test for FA?
No or not yet, is the answer.
Hangsen is the only tobacco flavors that I consider to be worth using.
awesome star ratings dont matter but everything else does. works for meFA info updated.
hey its dre !It's the bull-diketones you gotta worry about
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Thx for reminding me about stars. As you can see i already moved FA text higher and now i need to make a new table and upload a pic somewhere and then place it in the first post... i will do this tomorrow since it takes some time. FA was moved to 3 stars (not because of the noise here, but because they do have D/AP testing reports for all their vaping flavors (i didn't know for the information that they cannot list their vaping and kitchen flavors separately due to regulations; this changes things because otherwise their official website really is a mess with everything put in the same basket). Thx for clearing things up.
oh look more lies
Real flavors
real flavors test their flavors ever 3 months
tells you if it is free of all 3 or the detected levels of each if it does contain it this entire thread is a scam
another lie
german flavors specifically states they do not use Diacetyl yet the OP says they give no public testing reports so you should avoid if you care about Diketones with no information to back that up.
oh look more info left out wonder flavors says on every flavor it MAY contain Diacetyl and on their website it says they are working to provide more specific info in the future
If the OP wants transparency maybe he should be a little more transparent himself and not omit information left and right
note to self... never try to get over on Matt.
Why not redo your graphics and just get rid of those stars altogether ... it is at best a subjective rating system and is being confused with trust. Ditch the star rating system and list alphabetically with comments regarding disclosures ... it will be more objective.
I said this numerous times; this research is about transparency and based on publicly available information about D-A-AP levels. I know RF is testing each batch they make and their customers can check diketone testing results of each bottle they bought separately. This is truly admirable. The problem is that they do not publish their diketone levels publicly - it means one can check how much A/AP each flavor has only AFTER buying, not BEFORE buying.
One may say that is because each batch they make is slightly different, so results may not be the same each time, but the reality is that it's not a good information and they could write a range at least. See, buyer doesn't care much about the difference between 538ppm or 574ppm of A/AP for example (+/-5%), but if you write only that a certain flavor has A/AP, that could mean either 80ppm or 50,000ppm of A/AP, which is a huge difference (and at the end it may result in buying or not buying a certain flavor). I hope they will publish their results publicly soon since i heard they put a lot of work in their research as well. I hope Walt can help here.
really?????????????????????????????????????????This is what i am talking about! Now, this is a great contribution Matt! I will update RF info today!
Just made a fresh batch...anyone need some more popcorn yet??
I agree rating system makes it more subjective, but using star system is way more powerful and it may contribute to changes faster. Noone wants to see themselves at the bottom of the list + more explicitly are shown the results or pointed manufacturer's attitude to vapers (when hiding things). I fear that without any ratings an overall comparison would lose too much.
still lies about FA maybe we should inform FA they are being slandered in this thread see if they want to take legal action against Mikser.Update: RF updated
Btw, this is getting tiresome, and I am actually getting tempted to hit the IGNORE button.
I would have done that ages ago if I wasnt afraid some new member to the forum or community wouldnt find this thread via google and think the info in the OP was actual factual, non biased and useful
What are you vaping Matt?
What are you vaping Matt?
I vote nuke this misinformation thread and booting this ANTZ poser fuck.I have to add this so readers won't be confused (you can delete the entire thread if you think the info are misleading or a thread is bad for the forum or vaping community).
Note: Lots of information in this thread is outdated.
You can find updated version, many new findings and more companies compared on ELR website.