DIY Nic Salts.

[ssbowtie1]

From the juul patent: "For example, citric acid decomposes at 175° C., and malic acid decomposes at 140° C., thus for a device operating at 200° C., these acids may not be appropriate."

I wonder why they continued using citric acid in their tests and why it still works at operating temp...

 

[pulsevape]

So I guess my question is what is considered "too" hot to use nic salts with..... 8 watts 12 watts or 50 watts....for those of us who don't use TC,,,,

 

[ssbowtie1]

So I guess my question is what is considered "too" hot to use nic salts with..... 8 watts 12 watts or 50 watts....for those of us who don't use TC,,,,

I don't think anyone knows the answer for sure. As stated before, anything over 220C poses risk. Watts isn't the only factor because coil resistance plays a role. If you're going running a .5 ohm coil, you can probably easily go to 30W, but if you're running a 2 ohm coil, you will have issues at 30W.

I noticed that people had mentioned Malic and Citric acid. Seeing how these acids decompose at such a low temperature, does anyone have any thoughts on vaping these acids? Perhaps it's not an issue when the acid binds with the nicotine and transforms into salt?

 

[David Wolf]

Where the confusion comes from is that we use volumes normally but have to add our acids by weight

Yes, I can see that it could be too strong, even with the citric I've been using I have cut the amount down but that was also due to the amount of extra solids we are adding to our liquid, invariably clogging the coil quicker. Reducing the amount of acid reduces the amount of nicotine to salt, therefore increasing throat hit.

We just find our own happy medium

Adding the acid based solely on nicotine mg without regards to volume it seems to me your ph could be all over the place and hmm the effects on taste.... acid anyone?

 

[David Wolf]

1. Smoother vape
2. Being able to use a higher % of nic in the juice
3. Slow down oxidation (not an aim, but a useful side effect)
4. And this goes hand in hand with (2) above; lower the daily volume of PG/VG inhaled
5. Again with (2) above, use smaller and less battery hungry devices

I've only used commercial nic salts PG nic base from Nude Nicotine (Signature and Smooth in my diy NETs and a peppermint ice diy). It certainly is smoother than regular nic so totally agree on 1,2, 4,5. For 3 however I'm not so sure about that. My NN "Smooth" darkened to a dark amber in a couple of months and toward the end adversely affected flavor. Though NN says it's not oxidation causing the color change, sure seems like it. Whatever the cause the flavor of it is degrading. Im using Signature now to see how it performs, verdict still out, I just got some regular Vapers Tek nic to compare with since I haven't used regular nic in 8 months.
I've never vaped a Juul but I wonder if something like Koolada or the Polar Blast I use in diy is in it, that gives a nice cold frosty hit and compensates well for the loss of throat hit with nic salts (along with the peppermint in my peppermint ice diy).

 

[pulsevape]

well, my benzoic acid just arrived in the mail...( C7H6O2)...hey guys this stuff smells like shit...like burnt plastic or something.does that seem right?

 

[David Wolf]

well, my benzoic acid just arrived in the mail...( C7H6O2)...hey guys this stuff smells like shit...like burnt plastic or something.does that seem right?

Sounds right to me lol. I just got some Vapers Tek nic in and vaping it with a 30 minute seep its as good and clean smelling as any Ive had. But what a throat hit at 24mg compared to 28 mg nic salts which is smooth as silk. But the NN nic salts certainly has a chemical smell to it.
Where did you get your benzoic acid? Is it in powder or liquid form?

 

[pulsevape]

Sounds right to me lol. I just got some Vapers Tek nic in and vaping it with a 30 minute seep its as good and clean smelling as any Ive had. But what a throat hit at 24mg compared to 28 mg nic salts which is smooth as silk. But the NN nic salts certainly has a chemical smell to it.
Where did you get your benzoic acid? Is it in powder or liquid form?

powder got off E bay..country of origin USA mindlay minerals.99% pure...so do you use the powder? and is it stinky.?

 

[David Wolf]

powder got off E bay..country of origin USA mindlay minerals.99% pure...so do you use the powder? and is it stinky.?

I've never bought benzoic acid, but it's likely the acid Nude Nicotine uses in their nic salts nicotine base (liquid) that I buy for diy mixing. Don't snort that stuff lol. Hmm eBay ...

 

[GT_1955]

well, my benzoic acid just arrived in the mail...( C7H6O2)...hey guys this stuff smells like shit...like burnt plastic or something.does that seem right?

Seems right to me, by coincidence my BA arrived yesterday and smells similar

 

[pulsevape]

Seems right to me, by coincidence my BA arrived yesterday and smells similar

cool thanks man.

 

[GT_1955]

Adding the acid based solely on nicotine mg without regards to volume it seems to me your ph could be all over the place and hmm the effects on taste.... acid anyone?

The pH shouldn't be all over the place assuming the combined mix of PG, VG and flavourings is neutral (7ish?). The acid (pH 2ish?) added is counteracting the pH (10ish?) of the nicotine.

 

[GT_1955]

cool thanks man.

No problem mate, having never experienced BA before I was wondering the same thing myself ... you having received a similar smelling powder from a different source to me reinforces in my mind that I received the correct stuff

 

[David Wolf]

The pH shouldn't be all over the place assuming the combined mix of PG, VG and flavourings is neutral (7ish?). The acid (pH 2ish?) added is counteracting the pH (10ish?) of the nicotine.

PG has a PH over 10 if I remember correctly, very alkaline. The resulting pH is a factor of the volume of your PG, VG (fairly neutral), and the amount of any acid you add, not your nicotine concentration in mg (other than the pg or VG base volume it's in). Whether your mix is neutral, acidic, or alkaline will depend on volumes (or weights if you prefer).

I'm wondering how those ph test strips compared to the ph meter. That meter was for water, I've read that it's difficult to measure the true ph of ejuice with strips, aquarium ph meters etc. and it seems like adding water to test will skew the results somewhat since water is neutral.

 

[GT_1955]

I find this to be a really interesting subject

 

[David Wolf]

Here are some of my links to excellent articles and studies involving acids and nicotine, and nicotine salts. I highly recommend the first link for anyone interested in Nicotine Salts, especially if you're going diy. For example I don't think you need the high levels of benzoic acid as Juul uses to reduce your ph or make your high nicotine ejuice less harsh to vape (see the tables in the first link).
I've been vaping Nic Salts from Nude Nicotine in diy for about 8 months or so at 28 to 32 mg nic in low power tanks and stealth Myjet pods, and its quite smooth (I am currently using their Signature, the Smooth darkened to a dark amber after a few months and affected taste, the Signature is still under my test regimine (haha). I vaped a 24 mg Vapers Tech regular nic NET diy for the first time in 8 months yesterday, and the harshness of that level without nic salts is quite obvious, I would have to drop it down to 12 or less to make it acceptable to me now, I'm spoiled with nic salts. FYI, Vapers Tek is an excellent nic, no odor, not peppery.
By using higher nic levels with nicotine salts ejuice in low power devices, I have cut my juice consumption to around 2 ml a day while still satisfying my desire for nicotine, in a smoother vape.

Nicotine Salts Links
The effect of organic acids on e-liquid Nicotine stability and relief of irritative taste
https://gfn.net.co/downloads/2016/posters/The effect of organic acids on e-liquid Nicotine stability and relief of irritative taste.pdf
Note: May have to download the pdf file to view it.
Source: Global Forum on Nicotine, https://gfn.net.co/

Study titled “Benzene formation in e-cigarettes” found that air has more benzene than e-cigs
http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/2017/252-benz
Source: E-CIGARETTE RESEARCH (Dr. Farsalinos)

Benzene formation in electronic cigarettes
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0173055

Benzoic acid solubility
Benzoic acid is often used in the form of a salt of sodium benzoate compound because it is better soluble in water than its acid form ( it can be dissolved in 100 ml of water at 74.2 grams at 100 ºC and is more soluble in oil, alcohol, propyleneglycol, ether and chloroform.
Source: http://nationchemistry.com/benzoic/

Juul Pods:
Results and discussion
Benzoic acid and nicotine levels in JUULTM pod fluids
The concentrations of benzoic acid and nicotine in the JUULTM pod fluids were found to be
44.8 ± 0.6 and 61.6 ± 1.5 mg/mL respectively, corresponding to a benzoic acid/nicotine molar
concentration ratio of 0.97 to 1). For comparison, as noted above, analyses in our laboratory
have indicated the presence of benzoic acid in 14 commercial refill e-liquids at levels estimated
to be in the range 0.02 to 2 mg/mL.
Source (Benzene formation study linked above): http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0173055

Benzoic acid inhalation safety:
Note that the reports and studies reference below are in regard to toxicity of Benzoic acid itself and are not studies of inhalation safety when benzoic acid is dissolved in an e-liquid solution.

http://www.cir-safety.org/sites/default/files/120_final_ba.pdf (see page 6 Acute and Repeated Dose Inhalation Toxicity)

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+704 (search for “inhalation” to see findings)

http://www.who.int/ipcs/publications/cicad/cicad26_rev_1.pdf (search for “inhalation to see findings)

A great source on E-Cigarette science and policy:
https://gfn.net.co/

 

[David Wolf]

Dehydration of GL to benzene has been observed [11], and in e-cigarettes a simple dehydration stoichiometry could be PG + GL = benzene + 5 H2O (Fig 1A). A second route to benzene in e-cigarettes is decarboxylation of benzoic acid (Fig 1B), and benzene has been known to form when benzoic acid is used as a preservative in beverages.[12] (Benzoic acid has been found by our laboratory in 14 out of 150 e-liquid refill products at levels estimated to be in the range 0.02 to 2 mg/mL, and benzoic acid is an acknowledged ingredient in e-liquids in the JUUL product line.[13]) For a third route to benzene, many aromatic aldehydes are major e-liquid flavor additives, including benzaldehyde (for “cherry”), vanillin, and ethyl vanillin: aldehyde levels as high as several percent (by mass) have been found.[14] Every aldehyde can be oxidized to its corresponding carboxylic acid, which may then undergo decarboxlation. Thus, oxidation of benzaldehyde can give benzoic acid, and therefore, benzene (Fig 1C). For a fourth route to benzene, in what amounts to abiotic fermentation, an aldehyde can undergo redox disproportionation to form a mix of the corresponding alcohol and the acid, and the latter may then undergo decarboxylation. (The acid is more oxidized then the aldehyde, and the alcohol is less oxidized than the aldehyde.) With benzaldehyde, a mix of benzoic acid and benzyl alcohol can then be formed (Fig 1D). (The disproportionation of an aldehyde lacking an “alpha-position” hydrogen atom is the Cannizzaro reaction, which is base-catalyzed (possibly then, by nicotine).)

From: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0173055

And Dr. Farsalinos looks at the data and blows the fearmongering part of the conclusions out of the water:
http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/2017/252-benz
There's interesting data there, and nothing to fear when you look at the real data and results.

 

[David Wolf]

Slightly off topic but I've tried Nude Nicotine's "Hit" nic salts and I just can't seem to achieve the throat hit that the juul pods have. Have you guys been getting the same hit by using benzoic acid? I'm lost as to what else I can do to get the same clean consistent throat hit that the juul pods provide.

Look at my post a couple of posts above:
The concentrations of benzoic acid and nicotine in the JUULTM pod fluids were found to be
44.8 ± 0.6 and 61.6 ± 1.5 mg/mL respectively, corresponding to a benzoic acid/nicotine molar
concentration ratio of 0.97 to 1)
Pretty sure the biggest part of the answer is in the 60 mg nic level for the Juul pods
The guys here have me interested in maybe trying diy nic salts, but I can assure you I won't go for 60 mg nic, instead I would start with lower amounts of benzoic acid and lower nic. I prefer a smoother vape. the benzoic acid is what makes the nic smooth, not harsher, its the ratio of acid/nic and of pg/VG that determines harshness. My Nude Nicotine nic salts i mix for a 28 to 32 mg nic level for low power and myjet pod vaping.

 

[David Wolf]

Just mixed up some 2.5% benzoic acid in 100mg/ml nicotine. It has a pretty strong "benzene" smell. Is this normal?

My Nude Nicotine Smooth and Signature nic salts 100 mg PG base has a chemical smell, hopefully not benzene, haha. Think its the odor of the benzoic acid, I don't have it, you do, so you should be able to tell.

 

[David Wolf]

You guys really should look at my links. You're missing the good stuff
0 -harsh to 10-Smooth scale.
https://gfn.net.co/downloads/2016/posters/The effect of organic acids on e-liquid Nicotine stability and relief of irritative taste.pdf
Note: You may have to download to view the pdf file properly.

 

[GT_1955]

I've downloaded and read the pdf from the gfn site, the ratios of acid to nicotine in some cases exceed what is in the juul patent, which for benzoic acid would be 1.5% (ie 15mg/g) for 20mg/g so 3:4w/w. Unfortunately they didn't mix to that ratio for their studies, but could be determined from their graphs as somewhere between their 1:2 and 1:1 ratios.

Thank you for the link

 

[ssbowtie1]

Thanks for the links and furthering the discussion David Wolf! I've used Nude Nicotine's solutions before, but I don't really like that they don't disclose what acids they use to make their nicotine salts. These acids can be in very high concentration, so it would be nice to know what they are.

Although the published test only tested for benzene production, which I think has been agreed that is only a risk if you vape benzoic acid at very high temps, it would be very interesting to see some emissions testing on the various forms of nic salts which include acids such as benzoic, citric, malic, etc.

 

[ssbowtie1]

That's okay, I understand.

According to the JUUL patent, 0.3g of benzoic acid should be mixed with 0.4g of nicotine, or 300mg BA mixed with 400mg nicotine, units we as DIY'ers understand very well . That's the baseline.

The OP mixed up a 10% solution of BA in a 50PG/50VG base, which doesn't suit a higher VG mix so use plain VG to mix at 10%, and this is done to increase the accuracy of measurement and ease the use. So let me use that as the base BA solution, mixing 10g of BA into 90g of VG which you can heat to 55C, stir and store at will, noting 90g of VG is approximately 72ml (assuming the specific gravity of your VG is 1.25). Each ml of this mix contains 138mg of BA, so 138mg/ml.

With me so far?

When you add the Benzoic Acid, it increases the volume of the liquid, so shouldn't you take the overall volume into account, not just the volume of the VG?

 

[pulsevape]

I'm a bit confused about the reading I've been doing...I get contrary information....I've read where they say the nic salt has more trouble crossing the blood brain barrier than the usual "free Base" nic we usually use, and so the nic rush is much slower....so even though you are vaping higher levels of nic the rush is not as strong the delivery is slower....then I read juuls stuff and they say the delivery system is better....wtf.....I'm looking for a strong nic hit without the throat hit and without the strong peppery flavor of higher nic levels....

 

[GT_1955]

When you add the Benzoic Acid, it increases the volume of the liquid, so shouldn't you take the overall volume into account, not just the volume of the VG?

Yes it does, but by how much I don't know as I've never done it this way but it'll be in the order of ~2% error. I use weight for my calculations. For instance (and using benzoic acid and 100mg/ml PG as the example), I want 100ml of 36mg/ml 50PG50VG unflavoured salted.

36mg/ml requires 36ml of 100mg/ml of which the nicotine weighs (36ml x 100mg/ml = 3600mg) 3.6g
To this you add 14ml of PG0 (to get the 50%PG)
Add 3.6 x 3/4=2.7g of benzoic acid powder (because benzoic acid is added in a 3:4w/w ratio with the nicotine)
Add ~50ml of VG0 until the 100ml mark is reached.

Now you could add exactly 50ml of VG0 and end up with slightly more than 100ml in total (because of the volume of BA added), in which case your nicotine strength is maybe 35mg/ml instead of 36mg/ml, but at that strength I feel it's accurate enough.

 

[Ryukdellemele]

Hi, very interesting discussion (hi David Wolf I arrived on this 3d starting from your review of wismec myjet )
Now I've bought a kamry micro with cassiel but the target is the same...a simple way of vaping..

My idea is to make a nicotine salts base @ 50mg/ml 50vg/50pg mixing
-100% pg with 100mg/ml nicotine (that I have)
-100%vg with 75mg/ml ba (obtained adding 7,5gr of ba to 100ml of 100%vg)

+++ Based on my chemistry classes a 3:4 ratio in weight it's a molecular ratio of 1:1 because nicotine has a molar mass of 162,23 and benzoic acid has a mm of 122,12 so
162,23:100=122,12:X -> X=75,25 +++

This base will be used to make 60/40 @35 nic salts liquid with club der dampfer aromas

Some tips for best mixing? Is hot water bath and shaking enough? Do I need a magnetic stirrer?

Tnx to all

PS what about levulinic acid? I've read that reaction with nicotine is exergonic..is this good or bad?

 

[Ryukdellemele]

I think I will start mixing
- 75mg/ml benzoic acid 100% VG
- 100mg/ml nicotine 100% PG
in 4:5 ratio to spot the best throat hit for a tiny device like the kamry micro..
This base 4:5 VPG will be diluted to achieve a 36nic e-liquid...
...playing with this 2 values, ba:nic ratio and nic strength of the base, I hope to find the right solution for me...good throat hit and good nic hit

How do you calculate the th spot? Is there a comparison table between freebase th and nicotine salts th? Basing on my eroll experience perfect th for me is 12mg/ml freebase...kamry micro is powerful, so I think that 10 mg/ml freebase is right..

 

[GT_1955]

I use a hot water bath for 30mins or so and just stir the mixture occasionally. And, I determine TH by trial and error Sorry, there's probably another way to do it but I don't know.

 

[Ryukdellemele]

@GT_1955 tnx for reply
Can you tell me about your eliquid?
Do you mix ba directly into nicotine juice or do you use a carrier?
And, if it is possible, BA:nic ratio, vg : pg ratio, total nicotine, hardware that you use for vaping
Tnx in advance

 

[GT_1955]

I haven't mixed up a benzoic acid mix yet, only citric acid. I can outline how I'd mix BA if you like?

First, I'd determine what my end mix would be: 50ml of 36mg/ml in a 60PG40VG ratio for use in an ICare 650

Part 1
18ml of 100mg/ml PG (which contains 1.8g of nicotine)
12ml of plain PG, including any flavours.

Part 2
Meanwhile, I'd add 1.35g of BA to 20ml of VG which is preheated to approx 55C (a pot of heated water and place the container containing the 20ml VG in the water)
Stir this occasionally while maintaining that temperature, and for a period of 30min or so.

Mix part 1 (the nicotine, PG and flavours) with part 2 (the VG with dissolved BA) and stir, then use once cooled to room temperature.

 

[Ryukdellemele]

@GT_1955 tnx I think I'll do the same...I will make 100ml of VG with 7.5gr of ba, so I can obtain better measurements, to mix with nicotine juice
Why do you use citric acid? Because is it safer?

 

[GT_1955]

I use citric acid because that's all I had at the time (I've only received BA in the last few days, and haven't mixed with it yet). And I don't mind it either

 

[David Wolf]

This thread is indeed becoming interesting, I look forward to hearing the results from you guys mixing your own benzoic and other acids to make nic salts. One thing you might consider is to mix your acids into your PG, from looking at Nude Nicotine acid solutions (malic acid and tartaric acid for example), the acid solubility is noticeably higher in PG than in VG. For the levels you guys are mixing at though, it should dissolve fully in the VG, it just might do it quicker and more thoroughly in PG.

I'm not ready to start making my own nic salts just yet, but I would like to know more about the nic salts I buy, and would especially like to know the pH of my final mix. I'm not typical in the sense that I vape 80PG/20VG (high VG gives me a tight chest and I get a bit a bit wheezy), however that high of a PG is rather harsh, especially when combined with high regular nic (Im a low power, 2 ml a day MTL vaper). Nic salts on the other hand, gives me a very smooth vape and I have little doubt a large part of that is because I'm lowering a very alkaline PG (10-11) with the acid in my PG nic salts to a pH closer to neutral or perhaps below the neutral line. The charts I posted above regarding nic salts tend to confirm that, however I want to see for myself, so thinking of getting some ph strips for saliva and urine and see if that will work with ejuice.

So far I've only tried Nic Salts from Nude Nicotine (Smooth, and Signature). The signature nic salts 100 mg/ml has quite a smell to it, but gives a smooth vape. Though it could be my imagination, it seems to have some effect on flavor of my NET diy mixes (more muted perhaps). Today I received nic salts from a new supplier I found, liquidnicotinewholesalers.com, and mixed up a NET using that. It doesn't seem to have the stronger smell of the Signature, so I will see how it vapes after I give it some time (a few hours and shakes, I am not that big on seeping, haha). I have yet to try Nicotine Rivers nic salts.

 

[Ryukdellemele]

Tnx @David Wolf
I also agree that PG mixing is easier...but with a full PG nicotine juice @50 mg/ml it's impossible to make a 60/40 VG/PG liquid @ 35 mg/ml nic...
So, because I don't want to add ba directly into nicotine juice and because my nicotine juice has to be in PG for other mixes I use, I will make ba juice in VG...
I think that with the right heat and the right time of stirring/shaking I will not have problems (I hope )
Stay tuned...
PS I don't have the possibility to buy nn nicotine salts or other kind of salts because I am Italian and in EU liquid with nicotine > 20mg/ml are not allowed...this is why I started being a little chemist...otherwise I would have bought it from NN...

 

[ntman4real]

My experimentation w Nic salts.
The successful, version with a 10% benzoic acid solution has space for about 20% flavoring.

This ejuice formulation should only be used with low powered Juul, MyJet type devices.

The 100 mg/ml Nic solution used here is a regular NicSelect freebase solution.

At first without doing any research, I though that heat was needed to create the salts, it turns out that the reaction is instantaneous.
Heat does help to dissolve solids though.

How did you dissolve the benzoic acid to enable you to use in a liquid form? I just got some and it is like solid crystals.

nm you disolved it in pg or vg + heat. read further.

 

[Ryukdellemele]

Ok...at the moment it works very well for me..
I mixed ba (after I reduced ba in sand) directly into the nicotine free base 100 mg/ml
I obtained a 55/45 vg/pg @33mg/ml (flavoured with club der dampfer - tobak n° 13 @2.5%) and I vape it into a kamrytech cigalike...
A week ended and I have not touched a cigarette...
Stay tuned

 

[username00]

Sorry to keep this thread running in circles, I think I understand it but can someone verify?

So to make nicotine salts using the patented benzoic method:

Say I have 100mg/ml nicotine in 100% VG

-10ml of nicotine = 1 gram (1000mg) of nicotine
- to mix at 3:4 ratio, add .75 gram (750mg) of benzoic acid
-mix on heat until fully disolved
-measure full volume of final result to find final nicotine strength

(haven't tried it yet), but say the final result ended up with 12ml. 10/12=0.8333. 100 x 0.8333 = 83mg/ml.


Is this correct?

 

[GT_1955]

Sorry to keep this thread running in circles, I think I understand it but can someone verify?

So to make nicotine salts using the patented benzoic method:

Say I have 100mg/ml nicotine inVG

-10ml of nicotine = 1 gram (1000mg) of nicotine
- to mix at 3:4 ratio, add .75 gram (750mg) of benzoic acid
-mix on heat until fully disolved
-measure full volume of final result to find final nicotine strength

(haven't tried it yet), but say the final result ended up with 12ml. 10/12=0.8333. 100 x 0.8333 = 83mg/ml.

Or does the math go the other way around; 12/10=1.2. Or a 20% reduction in nicotine strength, which gives me 80mg/ml?

Is this correct?

Yes Assuming your 100mg/ml VG is actually 100mg/ml, I would expect that the strength will end up at around 98 or 99mg/ml

 

[username00]

Yes Assuming your 100mg/ml VG is actually 100mg/ml, I would expect that the strength will end up at around 98 or 99mg/ml

Excellent, thank you!

 

[TheBrokeVaper]

Adding 3 drops of the solution to be tested to 5 ml distilled water &

Using this:
Digital pH tester

And this:
Hydrion pH paper


Adding a bit of informations about bases used:
Coop Coco USP VG: Pure, thick, coconut derived. I like it a lot!
Coop Coco USP PG; Its PG, as long as its USP.

The 34.2% benzoic acid eliquid was made with The Broke Vaper Nicselect 100 mg/ml, 50/50 nic base.

The 25% benzoic acid eliquid was made with Vaper BC 100 mg/ml, 50/50 nic base.

Had similar results with both, they are both very good bases.

awesome work testing this out. we're now carrying salts ready to go (not from your formulation), but i'll definitely be giving your mix a try very soon! Great work!

 

[ssbowtie1]

awesome work testing this out. we're now carrying salts ready to go (not from your formulation), but i'll definitely be giving your mix a try very soon! Great work!

Is this your own formulation or from Nude Nicotine? Do you guys disclose the acids that you use?

 

[TheBrokeVaper]

Is this your own formulation or from Nude Nicotine? Do you guys disclose the acids that you use?

i've been playing with my own formulation, but haven't quite landed where i want it tbh. the salts we have are from another manufacturer in the uS. widely unknown at the moment and i'm doing my best to keep it that way as i believe we're still the only ones with salts available for diy lol

as i get my own formulation tweaked i'll be sure to share what i'm using

 

[FrostyMtl]

i've been playing with my own formulation, but haven't quite landed where i want it tbh. the salts we have are from another manufacturer in the uS. widely unknown at the moment and i'm doing my best to keep it that way as i believe we're still the only ones with salts available for diy lol

as i get my own formulation tweaked i'll be sure to share what i'm using

Hey Broke!
I am the guy who recently bought four litres of Nic from you
I am satisfied as always!

 

[TheBrokeVaper]

Hey Broke!
I am the guy who recently bought four litres of Nic from you
I am satisfied as always!

Oh awesome! Glad you liked them! Feel free to hit me up via PM and we can chat a bit. I can shoot you a sample of my won formulation once i get the last couple of tweaks done.

 

[j_r17ca]

Oh awesome! Glad you liked them! Feel free to hit me up via PM and we can chat a bit. I can shoot you a sample of my won formulation once i get the last couple of tweaks done.

Pm me. I would like to purchase some nic salts.
Thanks

Sent from my SM-N920C using Tapatalk

 

[Mc viper]

Thank you all for the information I received from you in this thread.
My personal approach to the calculation is as follows, I wonder if it seems correct to you:
If I convert 100mg / ml in g / l I get 100g / l. In a liter of so titrated solution there are then 100 grams of free nicotine base.
If I want to react 100ml of this calculation solution we have within 10g of nicotine. These 10g of nicotine require 7.5g of BA to make salt, so it will dissolve BA in the amount of solvent (PG, VG or PVG) needed, after adding it to the nicotine base, to reach the titration required.
Is my approach correct?
Thanks for the courteous response!

 

[Mc viper]

...for the truth, I only need a confirm that 1liter of 100mg/ml contains 100g of nicotine...
I'm pretty sure of that, but it also seems to me a lot. I want to be sure to don't make a stupid mistake.
Thank you!

 

[GT_1955]

Using unit conversion maths
100mg/ml × 1000ml/L × 1g/1000mg = 100g/L

- or -

100mg/ml is a 10% solution, and a 100% solution in 1L would be ~1,000g (or ~1kg) so 10% of 1,000g = 100g/L

 

[Mc viper]

Thank you a lot @GT1955.
Now I 'm absolutely sure, better to be with this stuff!

 

[MayanDrops]

Is there any problem if i make my nic salt diluting the BA directly in my 100mg/ml FreeBase Nicotine and then store it? does it makes any reaction, does it have expiration date? or should i dilute the BA on PG and only mix it with Nic when i'm going to make a juice? thx all, nice post!