Doubt about batteries

[Vape_guy]

Hey guys, how are you?
Could you please tell me which is the best battery for vaping? I've searched a lot but i dont know which one is the best option to go. Many of my friends told me that the Sony VTC5A was pretty good. What about the VTC6 one? My mod needs 2 batteries.

Any suggestions? What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

 

[JuicyLucy]

Are you vaping regulated or mechanical; series or paralell

 

[5150sick]

Hey guys, how are you?
Could you please tell me which is the best battery for vaping? I've searched a lot but i dont know which one is the best option to go. Many of my friends told me that the Sony VTC5A was pretty good. What about the VTC6 one? My mod needs 2 batteries.

Any suggestions? What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

The Sony VTC5A is a great 25 amp 2500mah cell:




The Sony VTC6 is a great 15/20 amp 3000mah cell:




Each of the two cells can be better than the other depending on if the device is regulated or mechanical as well as the amp draw from your vaping style.

If you use a dual battery regulated mod (you can adjust the wattage, voltage, temp, etc...) how many watts do you usually use it as and what ohms is the coil(s) you use?

If you use a mechanical dual battery mod (no circuit board or screen to adjust wattage) how many watts do you usually use it as and what ohms is the coil(s) you use?

 

[JuicyLucy]

The VCT5a has much better staying power in a mech over the VCT6 IME

 

[BoomStick]

I’m betting (and hoping) it’s a vw mod, in which case coil resistance is irrelevant. And most mods seem to be designed for at least 20a cells based on wattage limitations. Of the two mentioned, I’d stick with the vtc5a.

 

[Vape_guy]

Are you vaping regulated or mechanical; series or paralell

Thank you for replying!
Regulated and in series (i guess)

 

[PoppaVic]

If it's regulated, you can afford at least 2 sets of 25R's - nice and reliable. Yes, the vtc5a's are also excellent.

What's the mod, atty, coil - what range do you run it?

 

[Vape_guy]

I’m betting (and hoping) it’s a vw mod, in which case coil resistance is irrelevant. And most mods seem to be designed for at least 20a cells based on wattage limitations. Of the two mentioned, I’d stick with the vtc5a.

It is a vaporesso revenger x. What do you think?

 

[Vape_guy]

If it's regulated, you can afford at least 2 sets of 25R's - nice and reliable. Yes, the vtc5a's are also excellent.

What's the mod, atty, coil - what range do you run it?

I just bought a vaporesso revenger x mod. - 0,4 ohms coil (or even a 0,6 ohms coil) - 60 watts - 75 watts tbh

 

[Vape_guy]

The Sony VTC5A is a great 25 amp 2500mah cell:

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The Sony VTC6 is a great 15/20 amp 3000mah cell:

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Each of the two cells can be better than the other depending on if the device is regulated or mechanical as well as the amp draw from your vaping style.

If you use a dual battery regulated mod (you can adjust the wattage, voltage, temp, etc...) how many watts do you usually use it as and what ohms is the coil(s) you use?

If you use a mechanical dual battery mod (no circuit board or screen to adjust wattage) how many watts do you usually use it as and what ohms is the coil(s) you use?

Thank you for the explanation!
I am using a vaporesso revenger x mod within a 0,4 ohms coil.. 60 watts - 75 watts

 

[The Cromwell]

Thank you for the explanation!
I am using a vaporesso revenger x mod within a 0,4 ohms coil.. 60 watts - 75 watts

At those wattages and using those coils in a 2 cell regulated mod the VTC6 will have a bit longer run time than the 5A and do fine with the load.

any of the cells mentioned in this thread will work fine.
HG Lg2's will work fine as well.

 

[PoppaVic]

well, I read glanced over their web page.. Yeah, I use the 25R's with my DNA200's - Vt133's. And yes, I never get past about 60w.. Going on 2 years now,

The vtc5a's I use with my mechs - works great, and you can always throw them into a regulated. So, get whatever you can afford - I'm cheap.

 

[BoomStick]

At those wattages and using those coils in a 2 cell regulated mod the VTC6 will have a bit longer run time than the 5A and do fine with the load.

any of the cells mentioned in this thread will work fine.
HG Lg2's will work fine as well.

I disagree. It has been my experience that lower cdr, higher capacity batteries suffer much more voltage sag especially after they have drained down a bit. Then they can’t maintain watt setting output thus requiring a battery swap well before the mods cutoff point. The higher cdr batteries can maintain power output longer. So they have less capacity, but still run longer because they don’t fall on their face when in the bottom half of the charge. This seems to be much more pronounced after the cells have aged a bit. Not as bad when they’re brand new, but over time it gets very noticeable.

 

[5150sick]

If you have a choice go with name brand high drain cells that have a continuous discharge of 20amps and above.

You must buy from a reputable source or do A LOT of homework because there are fake cells out there that are very dangerous.

I think efest put out a "35amp" 18650 and it was a very old rewrapped 7 amp cell!!!

A reputable source off of the top of my head is https://www.imrbatteries.com

I'm sure others will chime in with a few other reputable sources.

Your best bet is to get two pair so you can have a set in the mod while you have a set on charge.

Also while you are shopping, mah (milliamp hours) is also an important thing to consider.

A 30 amp 1500mah cell may be the best for a mechanical device but in a regulated deice you are getting half of run time (battery life) a the Brown LG 20amp 3000mah cell.

I own both:
Brown LG 20amp 3000mah cells.
Sony VTC5+ 25amp 2500mah cells

I use dual 18650 regulated mods.
For me with my style of vaping the Sonys out preform the LG's on both run time and heat.

 

[5150sick]

well, I read glanced over their web page.. Yeah, I use the 25R's with my DNA200's - Vt133's. And yes, I never get past about 60w.. Going on 2 years now,

The vtc5a's I use with my mechs - works great, and you can always throw them into a regulated. So, get whatever you can afford - I'm cheap.

I agree on the 25r's

I even have 4 pair of the 25r's that I run between 60 and 80 whatts with no problems.
But to be fair, I'm 7 years deep into this vaping thing so I do some things that I would not recommend to someone else, either on this forum or in person.

 

[The Cromwell]

I have always used illumn.com for my li cells.
here is Mooch's list of recommended places to buy cells.
Never buy li cells from Ebay or amazon, etc. Or most vape shops.

1. Some Good Vendors
   18650.uk
   18650batterystore.com
   akkuteile.de
   batterybro.com
   ecoluxshopdirect.co.uk
   fogstar.co.uk
   illumn.com
   imrbatteries.com
   liionwholesale.com
   orbtronic.com
   rtdvapor.com

 

[5150sick]

At those wattages and using those coils in a 2 cell regulated mod the VTC6 will have a bit longer run time than the 5A and do fine with the load.

any of the cells mentioned in this thread will work fine.
HG Lg2's will work fine as well.

I have a question if you don't mind.

Have you ever owned the Brown 20amp 3000mah LG's?
If so how do they preform compared to the VTC6?

I vape at around 70 to 75 watts
In your opinion would it be worth it to buy the Sony's instead of the LG's when I get my next six cells?

 

[The Cromwell]

I have a question if you don't mind.

Have you ever owned the Brown 20amp 3000mah LG's?
If so how do they preform compared to the VTC6?

I vape at around 70 to 75 watts
In your opinion would it be worth it to buy the Sony's instead of the LG's when I get my next six cells?

single battery mod or dual?

I love the LG HG2's have some over 3 years old and still going well. Capacity is down to prolly 2500 or so mah, but otherwise fine.
I use them at around 30 watts in a single cell mod

Have not used the VTC6. Bought 4 but gave them away before I even tried them
Lucy is right on the VTC5A Hits hard in a mech, works fine in a regulated as well and will outlast a 25R at 30-40W even though they are rated the same mah I think.

I also have some 30Q's A good battery but not sure any better than the HG2.

Check mooch's discharge graphs on the HG2 vs VTC6. As I recall the VTC6 outperformed the HG2 a bit. Seems like the voltage held up longer on the VTC6 as I recall.

 

[gsmit1]

Never buy li cells from ... most vape shops.

This is huge because people quite understandably, yet erroneously believe that a vape shop must have good batteries right?

Not necessarily and a real crapshoot for a list of reasons. A known reliable vendor with battery and related industry specific expertise is always the best way to go.

 

[5150sick]

I only use dual (except for a couple 26650 devices) because the battery life.

I've had problems with all the cells in the "HG" series for some reason.
They usually just stop working out of nowhere for no apparent reason.

 

[The Cromwell]

This is huge because people quite understandably, yet erroneously believe that a vape shop must have good batteries right?

Not necessarily and a real crapshoot for a list of reasons. A known reliable vendor with battery and related industry specific expertise is always the best way to go.

And most often quite a bit cheaper from the vendors listed on Moochs approved vendor list.
Around $5-6 for a GOOD battery at most vendors, vape shops seem to be more like $10.
For Efests and such no less.

 

[5150sick]

This is huge because people quite understandably, yet erroneously believe that a vape shop must have good batteries right?

Not necessarily and a real crapshoot for a list of reasons. A known reliable vendor with battery and related industry specific expertise is always the best way to go.

There is a MUCH better chance that a vape shop owner could bet tricked into buying a case of fake cells to save a few bucks than it is for a prominent online vendor.

 

[The Cromwell]

I only use dual (except for a couple 26650 devices) because the battery life.

I've had problems with all the cells in the "HG" series for some reason.
They usually just stop working out of nowhere for no apparent reason.

I have had one cell out of 12 I think to do that to me.
The rest just keep on going.
I have demoted a few of them to flashlight duty just because of the age.
If you do not like the HG2 then 30Q or VTC6?
Been using some 30Q's for a year I think now and no issues at all.
again around 30W in a single cell mod.
had some VTC5A's but gave them to my grandson to keep him from blowing his face off.
I only vape around 30-40w in a mech and use 25R's for that.

 

[The Cromwell]

There is a MUCH better chance that a vape shop owner could bet tricked into buying a case of fake cells to save a few bucks than it is for a prominent online vendor.

And many of them are pretty battery illiterate.
They actually think that Efests are good to use to 40 amps or more.

I think these battery factoids are still true.
There are no 3000 mah 18650 cells with over a 20 amp rating.
And there are no 18650 cells with over a 30 amp rating.
if not totally accurate it is pretty close.
Not been following Mooch's test results as close lately.

 

[PoppaVic]

www.18650batterystore.com
www.akkuteile.de
www.batterybro.com
https://ecoluxshopdirect.co.uk
www.fogstar.co.uk
www.illumn.com
www.imrbatteries.com
www.liionwholesale.com
www.nkon.nl
www.orbtronic.com
www.rtdvapor.com

 

[5150sick]

And many of them are pretty battery illiterate.
They actually think that Efests are good to use to 40 amps or more.

I think these battery factoids are still true.
There are no 3000 mah 18650 cells with over a 20 amp rating.
And there are no 18650 cells with over a 30 amp rating.
if not totally accurate it is pretty close.
Not been following Mooch's test results as close lately.

Those facts are what I follow as well.
I think I may have heard of a 30 amp cell that's actually capable of something like 32 amps.
If any cell claims more than the those ratings it has either been manipulated (they lied) or it's that "pulse" bullshit.

Don't even get me started on that pulse rating bullshit.

Mooch explains clear as day many times in his "minding your mahs" series that "pulse rating" doesn't mean shit without the info on how long the "pulse" was and how rapidly it was applied.

In other words there is no standardized pulse test that all companies use.
The shady battery companies conveniently don't have any of the relevant info on display.

So in theory a 100amp "pulse" rating might mean the cell can do that once, for 1/2 of a second.
That makes pulse ratings meaningless.


^^^ It appears as if I got started on that pulse rating bullshit ^^^

 

[5150sick]

I have had one cell out of 12 I think to do that to me.
The rest just keep on going.
I have demoted a few of them to flashlight duty just because of the age.
If you do not like the HG2 then 30Q or VTC6?
Been using some 30Q's for a year I think now and no issues at all.
again around 30W in a single cell mod.
had some VTC5A's but gave them to my grandson to keep him from blowing his face off.
I only vape around 30-40w in a mech and use 25R's for that.

Oops, my bad.
The cells I had trouble with were the "HE" series.
The ones that gave me the trouble were the red HE2 and the yellow HE4

I had six yellows and four reds and now I have one.. All but one red quit working.
I still have all of the 25r's that I bought six months before the HE's so it's kind of weird.
They all just quit working.

 

[The Cromwell]

Oops, my bad.
The cells I had trouble with were the "HE" series.
The ones that gave me the trouble were the red HE2 and the yellow HE4

I had six yellows and four reds and now I have one.. All but one red quit working.
I still have all of the 25r's that I bought six months before the HE's so it's kind of weird.
They all just quit working.

Never had any of the HE cells.

 

[gsmit1]

And most often quite a bit cheaper from the vendors listed on Moochs approved vendor list.
Around $5-6 for a GOOD battery at most vendors, vape shops seem to be more like $10.
For Efests and such no less.

This is also why I don't understand people buying rewraps. Even good rewraps. Why would I spend 30-40% more for a rewrap of a battery, when I can just get the oem cell under the wrapper, AND for less money?

There is a MUCH better chance that a vape shop owner could bet tricked into buying a case of fake cells to save a few bucks than it is for a prominent online vendor.

No doubt about it. Jon from LIION was over here the other day ADDRESSING this very thing.

 

[The Cromwell]

This is also why I don't understand people buying rewraps. Even good rewraps. Why would I spend 30-40% more for a rewrap of a battery, when I can just get the oem cell under the wrapper, AND for less money?

ignorance. Only a very small number of vapers are battery literate.
And most buy their stuff at vape shops....

 

[Vape_guy]

Hey dude, how are you?
I dedided to go for the VTC5A instead of the VTC6 one, what do you think?. I am using the Revenger x mod (60 watts - 75 watts). Sorry for the noob question but how can i know if the device is running series or paralell? By the way, those 25r batteries look pretty good!

 

[JuicyLucy]

Hey dude, how are you?
I dedided to go for the VTC5A instead of the VTC6 one, what do you think?. I am using the Revenger x mod (60 watts - 75 watts). Sorry for the noob question but how can i know if the device is running series or paralell?

In series, the batteries are placed with on side positive up, the other side positive down

In parallel, both batteries face the same way

 

[JuicyLucy]

As long as you are using a regulated mod like the Revenger, it's less critical to worry about such things

Mechs are another world though and it is critical to understand ohms law and how batteries work before ever going that route

Check this out - Mooch is the rock star of all vape battery related topics

13:41Battery Basics for Vapers Ep2 – Series and parallel battery setups

 

[Vape_guy]

In series, the batteries are placed with on side positive up, the other side positive down

In parallel, both batteries face the same way

I thought it could be possible to change the series/parallel mode by adjusting the settings. Thanks

 

[JuicyLucy]

I thought it could be possible to change the series/parallel mode by adjusting the settings. Thanks

There is just an incredible amount to soak in when you first start - especially now when there are so many choices

 

[gsmit1]

There is just an incredible amount to soak in when you first start - especially now when there are so many choices

I had absolutely no idea what I was getting myself into when I bought my first setup. I don't mean that it was super confusing, but the whole hobbyist thing, I hadn't the first flickering clue that all this was going on.

 

[Vape_guy]

I had absolutely no idea what I was getting myself into when I bought my first setup. I don't mean that it was super confusing, but the whole hobbyist thing, I hadn't the first flickering clue that all this was going on.

Well, same here... I've been searching a lot about coils - wires and so on. It is not really complicated at all but sometimes it gets confusing!

 

[Synphul]

I have a question if you don't mind.

Have you ever owned the Brown 20amp 3000mah LG's?
If so how do they preform compared to the VTC6?

I vape at around 70 to 75 watts
In your opinion would it be worth it to buy the Sony's instead of the LG's when I get my next six cells?

Mooch tested and compared the vtc6's, samsung 30q's and lg hg2's. They came out in that order best to worst, the samsung 30q's were closer to the vtc6's though rather than right in the middle.

As far as lasting, vaping 60-70w on dual 18650 mods like the revenger or ipv eclipse I haven't had a real issue with either vtc6's or 30q's falling flat at the end of the cycle. The revenger seems to cut off around 3.3-3.4v, a bit higher than the others I have. The eclipse like clockwork runs out of juice at 3.2v and the alien I was using before that would run them down to 2.9-3v no problem. I've got some 30q's that are a couple years old and have regularly been used at around 60-65w. Sure they don't hold as much of a charge as they did when new but they're a couple years old lol. 30q's tend to be cheaper than vtc6's and honestly I don't see a lot of difference between them.

The only real difference I've seen of anything worthwhile, sony uses janky insulators. Disappointing for a premium priced battery. After just a couple of months the insulators got cracked. They're like thin sunbaked plastic and just crumble away in a critical spot on the battery. Samsung's insulator rings on the other hand are durable plastic and have lasted years with multiple rewraps. Even the adhesive backed paper insulators like the ones from liion on the little sheet are thicker and more durable than sony's factory insulators.