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ECC BANS ALL CLONES FROM BEING SOLD
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The real offenders are the ones overcharging for product and trying to get rich quick on the emerging vaping market. Market your product at a reasonable price, establish yourself in the community and reap the benefits. Fuck these clowns serving papers.
I think it's hilarious seeing people bitch about how expensive legit mods are. Shows your dumb asses have no education and understanding the time that goes into designing these mods, and the price of the software and equipment to make it. I hope you bust your ass at work daily for minimum wages. I'm done reading this shit half y'all shouldn't live in America!!!
I wonder if they had to hold their breath and stamp their feet for mom to let them out of the basement..
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HahahaFuck you Clone hater Cooper!
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Vapor Beast
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That video is hilarious, The clone haters really should take a look at who they send and when they send people to do legal work such as serving papers. With that bunch of clowns throwing documents around I would probably have reacted the same and torn them up.
In all honesty all this bullshit is pathetic, we all had a common goal to rid ourselves of tobacco. I really think these over grown punks as we see on that video are hurting the e-cig movement. It's almost as if those legit fan boys are working for the FDA.
In all honesty all this bullshit is pathetic, we all had a common goal to rid ourselves of tobacco. I really think these over grown punks as we see on that video are hurting the e-cig movement. It's almost as if those legit fan boys are working for the FDA.
As a machinist, if I came up with something original and the Chinese copied the design, I would take issue. I would not however if they sold something new and innovative they'd invented themselves at 1/10th of the price I'd have to sell my stuff at: they create it, they sell it at a price their country's wages and taxes allow them to, why should they be blamed?
As a consumer, I shamelessly go for the best value for money. Everybody does it, and those who claim otherwise are either liars or idiots.
Newsflash: Americans are wage slaves too, just not as competitive as Chinese wage slaves. If you still believe that fairy tale that Americans have it good, try living in northern Europe some day.
America is quickly turning into a third-rate place to live in (it's already second-rate), unless you're born rich.
What part of Oregon are you in?
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Now i don't normally support clones, but goodness what a group of losers, with a damn hand written cease and desist order. Fucking jokers need to invest their time onto a treadmill.
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I love when Joe plays a tabloid reporter.
Those who vote for a living and quickly outnumbering those that work for a living however
Why work..when big daddy gubbermint will send you a check [now Electronically!] (and before anyone get's their panties in a wad, that is for the greedy, NOT the needy)
I digress
But were they passing off the clones as authentic?
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I am going to make a simple comment on this......... stuff like this drives the average consumer and his money to online stores.... avoid the drama. This is the second vape meet / convention with an incident that should not have taken place...first the mod exploding in Texas, and now organizers policing their own vendors in a vulgar screaming match. Nice.
It doesn't matter what your stance is on clones vs authentic... behavior like this is BAD for the vaping community... exploding mods at vape meets during cloud comps, BAD for the vaping community.
Intentionally making a video serving papers, publishing it online for the world to see, while entertaining for some, is BAD pr for the vaping community.....
Grow up guys.......... this is not the kind of stuff people need to be seeing right now, organizers screaming at vendors that they are ripping people off, stealing from other vendors....wow........ all I can say is wow.
I am not defending anyone here, but that whole situation is ugly on a lot of levels, already covered in this thread. And as for myself as a consumer wouldn't want any part of it. Why go to something like ECC 2015 where that kind of display has the potential to happen........... I'll spend my money online without the drama.
It doesn't matter what your stance is on clones vs authentic... behavior like this is BAD for the vaping community... exploding mods at vape meets during cloud comps, BAD for the vaping community.
Intentionally making a video serving papers, publishing it online for the world to see, while entertaining for some, is BAD pr for the vaping community.....
Grow up guys.......... this is not the kind of stuff people need to be seeing right now, organizers screaming at vendors that they are ripping people off, stealing from other vendors....wow........ all I can say is wow.
I am not defending anyone here, but that whole situation is ugly on a lot of levels, already covered in this thread. And as for myself as a consumer wouldn't want any part of it. Why go to something like ECC 2015 where that kind of display has the potential to happen........... I'll spend my money online without the drama.
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Vendors paid between $2000 to $10,000 per booth, sponsors paid up to $150,000. Might want to do some research.
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Maybe for mods it's different, but I own a lot of designer items, ie duffle bags, clothes, shoes, watches etc.
Quality of counterfeits has never been up to par with the originals...
Take it with a grain of salt.
Today, I was standing there looking over their products when a guy bought a copper mutant..I overheard the vendor say $60.00 …I looked at the exchange…Anybody that knows better should realize the price gap here if they are truly AUTHENTIC…I call Bullshit! totally agree with the situation as I witnessed firsthand the sale of this clone to whomever that guy was…absurd..I understand if it were allowed..then no big deal..but this was strictly an authentic weekend..which we loved by the way..can't wait for the next
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Before, during registration.
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Joe, that's a bullshit lie. Name some US authentic mod makers that are working with China, and Vape Overload doesn't count because they are Florida based cloners.
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I used an eGo Twist to get off of cigarettes, I started buying mechanical mods as a hobby. That's a poor argument on your behalf.
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Does ODB stand for Old Douche Bag, or did you clone that name from Old Dirty Bastard?
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Lucky i dont live in America then isnt... Vaping is world wide btw..
sent via a smartphone with a dumb operator XD
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Umm, you're an idiot, I mean, I can't come up with a witty response, because your post just, well, left me speechless on how stuck you are on stupid.
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Nope. A Counterfeit is not determined by whether or not it is sold for too much money, or claims that it is the real deal. It's existence of being a Counterfeit remains after the sales process. It can be sold again, and again.
A Counterfeit uses designs with logos, and trade marks. Its not complicated. Clones are fine. Branding with someone else's logo, is identity theft. Is anyone confused?
If a company in China creates a line of VaperJoes hardware, says they are endorsed by Joe, uses the logos of the blog. Not a cent seen, not any agreement Would it be OK?
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Well the Texas event was called VapeBLAST.
We do everything big here in Texas! Kidding aside, all it really does is show lawmakers that there needs to be regulation of some sort. What that means is higher prices and import taxes for us end users. So hold onto your mods either authentic or clones they may be worth some change later!! Although, someone from OKC Vapes told me it will be a few years till there is any sort of tax implemented and less so in red states compared to blue ones. In the end all will have some sort of regulation, and he pointed to e-juice and not the devices themselves. I would find it harder to regulate juice than to regulate the device, since you can DIY juice fairly easily, not so with a mod. (maybe except box mods since those just require a bit of work, but no expensive CnC machine needed) The FDA and government will have a very tough time with this, but hey, more job growth!!
So is there some actual truth behind CBD candies being given out?
I am no lawyer but Las Vegas is pretty fucking strict on MJ and the trafficing of MJ.
Jesus wept, if ecc allowed this bullshit in the wake of the FDA and the whole fatstar video may many thousands of fucks be upon them.
I am no lawyer but Las Vegas is pretty fucking strict on MJ and the trafficing of MJ.
Jesus wept, if ecc allowed this bullshit in the wake of the FDA and the whole fatstar video may many thousands of fucks be upon them.
Dude i remember when you used clones just saying here is a cop out of your own remember when you traded me a SVD for a K101 because you broke your only mech and could not afford a new one. now i guess you could have used said svd while you saved your pennies for a new authentic mech.
So don't judge people for doing the same thing you have done your self. the K101 is a clone you know
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Cannabidiol made from industrial hemp is legal to purchase and consume in any state.
http://haenepsourcing.com/
http://healthyhempoil.com/cannabidiol-legal-status/
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Agree with all that, except if you are selling fake Rolexes at Fake Rolex prices, they will still be able to stop you. Remove Rolex, and little Crown Trademark, and you can sell them all the time, everywhere.
Considering industrial hemp is still not legal to grow in the US, currently thank Hurst for that.
Hemp oil is so much different that CBD. I use hemp oil to supplement fatty acids in my diet.
CBD is an entirely different critter, currently in the US unless imported illegally is only from medical grade MJ and even then the manufacture of CBD oils is considered manufacturing a schedule 1 narcotic, in those states as well.
And yes I am very invested in the research of CBDs for reduction of cancer and chemo side effects.
Beacause Wiki is probably the most updated....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#Legal_status
I visited thier booth. HEMP is what they use. Not MJ.
Edit: This is what they were handing out: http://haenepsourcing.com/canchew-gum/
"Canchew™ gum is a delicious, all-natural gum infused with CBD from hemp oil."
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Joe you buy mods from authentic modders all the time. Your comment about who wants to buy mods from an authentic modder is kinda funny, uhhhh you do??? Allby I think we all used clones at some point. Some choose to go the direction of authenticity.I buy authentics because the quality is far better to me, but that's my choice. I wish they would quit using the Logo's and such on clones. That's what's annoying, lots buy the clone because they want to appear as having the authentic.Without the graphics some clones would be just a generic copy. eeeeks the horror for clone lovers.
Legally derived or not why highlight in the vaping scene when we are all under the feddies little microscope?
Still not the time nor the place for it in a vaping convention.
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This wankers are complete idiots. Morons. I come to you and write a letter, saying stop X. It means nothing. I can burn it, eat it, trash it. A ceast and desist letter has NO legal authority. NONE.
All it shows, is that prior to doing a lawsuit, you as a company attempted to mitigate the damages, by telling them to stop. If they just stop, there are no damages, so no reason for a lawsuit, they could not win squat.
If they tell you to stop, you don't, AND YOU WIN, you can then say, after we told them to stop, they did this much more.
The biggest point, is this Video, will make any Jury, LESS sympathetic to them. Frankly I think the video would make them loosing in front of a jury, very likely.
morons at best.
Im not for or against it. Joe seems to be on a mission to try to trash talk ECC at any given opportunity; with little to zero knowledge on the subject. Had he said what you said; I may agree with him.
Dude a good point was people bought and saw them (Ijoy) not passing it off an authentic but as clones and within reason of what the market supports.
what that video shows is the people putting on ECC as a bunch of spoiled basement dwelling man babies who cannot hold a phone correctly acting like complete jack offs.
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Allby my main few points I am making is 99% of the people who say they cannot afford them can. They just choose not too. And also the people who sit and say that the clones are better quality only say that because they haven't owned one. People designs are their own art and they should be compensated for their designs and the capital they have invested in design and crafting their mods.
People buy clones because they want to feel like it is real. When's the last time a clone has done anything that's new and exciting or ground breaking. They make money on someone else's hard work.
Plot thickens!
Sorry there are also the people who refuse to shell out 250 bucks for what is a broken flashlight.
I use a clone hades because it works I get vaper, would I shell out that much for an authentic? nah I don't like the clone enough to do that.
I do not care about logos as I said earlier if I could get logo and serial number free I would be a happier camper.
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If it's just a broken flashlight and it's so easy to make why doesn't china just make their own designs. Instead they a banking on the logos to make them money.
To end all the clone hate I am going to take my dollars down to lowes and make a hardware mod then china will not get my money for clones then.
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Ironic, isn't it? The guy bitching about people stealing others intellectual property is using a batman image for his avatar.