ANd a lot of the "legit" mod makers have stolen their logos from other products they are no better
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http://pagesix.com/2014/08/25/sarah-silverman-flaunts-liquid-xxx-on-emmys-red-carpet/
To pour more salt on the wound.
BTW thanks for the blog update.. picked up that Turbo righty quick!
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For a second I thought you meant something like this: https://plus.google.com/100043282938188839923/posts/HMCjf8cmLtR
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I have nothing to gain by hurting ECC. Im simply reporting what I feel is news. I don't force people to read anything I write.
so many sides and wonky levels of fuckery this weekend.
We both agree there
I was there though, this was a vendor C&D (kryptonite) "served" (not really....) by a customer and a modder.
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Its hard to freeze the video, but you can do it. The complaint is about the unregistered Trademark Kryptonite Vapors. They want all the people that sold them anything with that "Mark"...they want all the records.
Here is the thing, since they took the video, and then said what they said about IJoy as a business. And then published it.
I think that iJoy has a strong case against them for liable and slander. They said everything they sold was crap and a counterfeit. Truth is a defense, but there is no way that statement is true. Was this all just to harm the reputation of a business and publish that on the internet to liable their business?
The Attorney is Tamara L. McNulty, Esq, 15333 Culver Dr Ste 340-261 Irvine, CA 92604 the address given on the letter is of the Postal Annex, store of Post boxes, located in a strip mall. Box 261
http://www.superpages.com/bp/Irvine-CA/Postal-Annex-L0111276558.htm
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/165050
Here is the thing, since they took the video, and then said what they said about IJoy as a business. And then published it.
I think that iJoy has a strong case against them for liable and slander. They said everything they sold was crap and a counterfeit. Truth is a defense, but there is no way that statement is true. Was this all just to harm the reputation of a business and publish that on the internet to liable their business?
The Attorney is Tamara L. McNulty, Esq, 15333 Culver Dr Ste 340-261 Irvine, CA 92604 the address given on the letter is of the Postal Annex, store of Post boxes, located in a strip mall. Box 261
http://www.superpages.com/bp/Irvine-CA/Postal-Annex-L0111276558.htm
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/165050
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OK I have seen a lot of replica and authentic bashing in here. What I have noticed about most people who buy clones and only use Replics is they will buy 10 to 15 mods in a row trying to find a decent one and at least 3 of those mods end up broken all but one sits on a shelf collecting dust. What I have noticed from authentic buyers they will buy 1 or 2 a year almost none will collect dust and time was put into researching the mod to try and get their preferences in it. I have no problem with replicas if they do not steal names and logos. Plenty of mods have been renamed(which you legally only have to have 3 changes to it) and sell amazing. Replicas do not save lives mods are are easy to make out of pipes if you really needed one to stop smoking. The fact is mod users are the failure rate of normal ecigs. As a failure rate you should expect more money into because you aren't a large market for ecigs you are the 1% of 1% of smokers take that into consideration.
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Reporters research. You're a gossip.
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Oh and one more thing to add you all spent roughly 1916.25 dollars on cigarettes a year but now have complaints on mod costs the real complaint you should have is with these overhyped juice makers and their piece of shit fancy premium label and glass bitch bottle.
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Going after vendors...... That video really doesn't help their cause at all, crying assault for a piece of paper being tossed? You do realize yelling curse words at the guy you're serving is also assault, right? Seemed a lot like harassment as well, and what exactly was trying to be gained here? The vendor isn't the one ripping people off, you manufacturers are.
Manufacturers want to stop clones? Stop price gouging in outlandish fashion, it's almost comical the way companies in this industry are pricing their products, Hana Modz are amongst the worst offenders (and the one leading the charge with legal action, more cartoonish behavior considering their business practices). Hana charging $250 for an aluminum box with 4 wires and a chip that costs $50 RETAIL (much less when bought in bulk). So just using Hana Modz as an example, the cost of materials alone is no way more than $75 per unit, that's a mark up of almost $200.... I can build that exact box for $70 right now if I bought all the parts online, at retail prices, and it'd probably be built better.
Mech Mods costing over $200, sometimes in the $400 range? It's a metal tube, period, get over yourselves, there is very little you can do to that tube to justify prices like that, the V3 flip being one of the few that has a tangible justification for the cost as it's engraving is a substantial differentiating feature over other mech mods.
RDA's? I have a couple lathes, mills, drills, and a CNC machine in my garage, don't tell me it's justifiable to charge over $100 for a small chunk of steel, because it's not.
I bought a lot of authentic items when I first really started getting into mechs, and RDA's, and high power VW mods, but then I realized it's completely ridiculous to buy an authentic Atomic RDA for around $100 (which I did), when the clone is identical in every way, and costs 1/5th the price. You don't like logos on clones? Fine, go after the manufacturer about that, but cloning will not stop until this industry stops blatantly ripping off its customers because few people can afford to spend the kind of money being asked for these products, and these products are not offering anything special that justifies and requires the high prices (like the first iPod/iPad), or an experience that isn't easily replicated.
I appreciate the innovation many RBA and VV/VW manufacturers are providing the industry, I love how far this industry has come and I support people profiting off their creations, but there is a difference between profiting off your product and straight up robbing people, and companies have been crossing this line for far too long, can't blame anyone but yourselves for the clone epidemic, customers aren't stupid.
Manufacturers want to stop clones? Stop price gouging in outlandish fashion, it's almost comical the way companies in this industry are pricing their products, Hana Modz are amongst the worst offenders (and the one leading the charge with legal action, more cartoonish behavior considering their business practices). Hana charging $250 for an aluminum box with 4 wires and a chip that costs $50 RETAIL (much less when bought in bulk). So just using Hana Modz as an example, the cost of materials alone is no way more than $75 per unit, that's a mark up of almost $200.... I can build that exact box for $70 right now if I bought all the parts online, at retail prices, and it'd probably be built better.
Mech Mods costing over $200, sometimes in the $400 range? It's a metal tube, period, get over yourselves, there is very little you can do to that tube to justify prices like that, the V3 flip being one of the few that has a tangible justification for the cost as it's engraving is a substantial differentiating feature over other mech mods.
RDA's? I have a couple lathes, mills, drills, and a CNC machine in my garage, don't tell me it's justifiable to charge over $100 for a small chunk of steel, because it's not.
I bought a lot of authentic items when I first really started getting into mechs, and RDA's, and high power VW mods, but then I realized it's completely ridiculous to buy an authentic Atomic RDA for around $100 (which I did), when the clone is identical in every way, and costs 1/5th the price. You don't like logos on clones? Fine, go after the manufacturer about that, but cloning will not stop until this industry stops blatantly ripping off its customers because few people can afford to spend the kind of money being asked for these products, and these products are not offering anything special that justifies and requires the high prices (like the first iPod/iPad), or an experience that isn't easily replicated.
I appreciate the innovation many RBA and VV/VW manufacturers are providing the industry, I love how far this industry has come and I support people profiting off their creations, but there is a difference between profiting off your product and straight up robbing people, and companies have been crossing this line for far too long, can't blame anyone but yourselves for the clone epidemic, customers aren't stupid.
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What have I reported thats false? Please enlighten me.
All my sources are vendors AT ECC.
Did I invent that video? Fake the screenshots? Lie about the clones?
The candy Joe.
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They handed out CBD candy... People HAVE IT. Legal or not, it sends the wrong message. This is a vape meet - not a Cannabis meet - in any form. People bitch about kids and boobs sending the wrong message? give me a break.
Didn't you say it wasn't legal in California? That's implying that ECC is turning a blind eye to illegal activities but coming down hard in clones. Why even post it in this thread? Cmon. Own it.
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Wrong. Sorry, but I'm take Merriam Webster's word over your opinion.
1coun·ter·feit adjective\ˈkau̇nt-ər-ˌfit\
: made to look like an exact copy of something in order to trick people
See for yourself.... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/counterfeit
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I never spent 2000 a year on cigarettes.
Juice prices can be too high, you're right, but glass bottles are safer considering plastic has the risk of leeching/cracking. Labels tell people that at the least you're not just mixing some liquid together in a dirty garage and show some pride/brand recognition among an ocean of juice vendors, and that goes a long way when someone's shopping for juice as Five Pawns is a lot more memorable than the ten thousand brands that have a white sticker with black font stuck on a generic plastic bottle.
Yeah some brands are too expensive, but the ridiculousness of prices does not compare with the way devices are priced. There are multiple mods that easily pull in $100-150+ profit off every single unit. Don't want clones? Start pricing items realistically, I support making a profit, absolutely, but a lot of this industries pricing is absolutely classless, and they should be ashamed of how they're trying to rip off this community. It's bad enough we have the government breathing down our necks, we shouldn't have to budget a months pay for a new RDA.
And the fact is that half or more of these logo's or artworks they call logo's and designs they worry about have been taken or stolen from other company's or products
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That part was removed after I found out it was from industrial hemp. I own what i write, and corrections are made when necessary. When things are breaking fast they become fluid, its the nature of the beast. As far as it being legal or not - its still the wrong message and the majority of the community will agree. ANYTHING cannabis related is horrible press.
I see you removing them from Facebook now too. Thank you.
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Glass bottles pose more risk then proper plastic bottles that do not leach PET bottles which quality vendors use instead of overhyped vendors. Those fancy labels are a big no no when regulation is coming especially with the think of the kids arguments. Those glass bottles more often then not don't work a lot of the time and it only takes one time dropping it to have shards of glass and a pool of eliquid to be on the ground which in turn fuels the think of the kid arguments. Not to mention I can't carry around 5 to 10 glass bottles in my pocket no worries or even fit that but I can with pet which is a must for me I need to change flavors often.
Now you say you are okay with a profit but think they are trying to rip off the community that makes no sense as in order for them to ever have hope in making mods large scale and cost effectively it is gonna take years with small scale operations. Most mod makers have other jobs and you are only factoring in the cost of materials forgetting the fact you also have labor cost(which is time away from their family) machine costs to get one, electricity cost, basic maintenance costs, oh shit it broke costs. Taking that into consideration they aren't making much profit profit after taxes and fueling money into savings to do larger scale
Edit: how bout doing this instead of saving up to buy stuff get a jar every day you didn't buy cigs put the money you would have in that jar that is your new vape budget buy no new mods or anything unless needed to by that I mean big problem caused it to break. Only buy juice wire and wick see how much money you have left over after justca month times it by 12 and think about how much authentics cost then
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I think we agree entirely. The copying of the logo makes it an exact copy. Without the logo, etc, its just a clone. Just saying if a counterfeit, is given away, never sold, its still a counterfeit. If you take a picture, and it looks the same, with all the writing, engraving, everything, the brand. Its not cool. If it looks the same, except where the logos should be there is nothing, or a different brand name= Clone, and if being sold on the streets in NYC, the police could not seize them, like a fake Coach purse.
FWIW, I just bought a spare Nautilus Mini, it was a complete fake. And it was a shitty fake at that. Big name vendor too. They even had fake BVC coils.
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There is a difference between making a profit, and charging exorbitant prices. Think DNA mods, Hana, Vaporshark, etc. making well over $100 profit when looking at materials. I want people to profit off their creations, I don't want to pay $250 for something that costs $75 or less to make.
People can charge whatever they want, but if you overcharge (and in many cases, make your product difficult to get), don't get mad at clones and those buying/selling them. I've been ripped off one too many times from pre-order authentics when I could have just bought the clone, in stock, for like 80% less. Just not going to do that again, if I want a new cutting edge RDA and it's over $75, I'm going to buy the clone.
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Nope, I don't think we do agree. A very important aspect of identifying something as a clone is the judgement call made on motive.... the part in the definition that clearly states that the point is to deceive. No one is being deceived when a clone is sold. It's clearly identified as a clone. It's understood and priced as a clone. If an unscrupulous individual obtains said clone and tries to pass it off as an authentic, then, and only then, does that item become a counterfeit. The only thing we agree on is that clones should not be represented as authentics.
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not to mention screaming assault over a paper being tossed at them, while committing assault by cursing and insulting them and their business....they made themselves look REALLY bad.
I do not smoke pot any more but do not mind it and lumping in hemp with pot is not cool. You can not get high from hemp and it has a million good uses. We as a country should have re embraced hemp a long time ago. Hemp is to pot like ecigs are to tobacco in a way.
People need to be educated so they know what hemp is. If it was truly a hemp candy then I say more power to them. Hemp is not just some hippy thing its a viable and very versatile material that if fully legal could be used in about every facet of our lives from food to clothes and a fuck ton of other things.
People need to be educated so they know what hemp is. If it was truly a hemp candy then I say more power to them. Hemp is not just some hippy thing its a viable and very versatile material that if fully legal could be used in about every facet of our lives from food to clothes and a fuck ton of other things.
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After watching the video, I dont know the guys 'serving', but I want to as I will NOT be buying from them. Ever. 'Federal Offense'?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? All that looked like was harassment. Plain and simple. Could be said the guys 'serving' could see themselves on the wrong side of the law too...
exactly joe well put. The fans of the cake decorators don't care where they get their logos. Just care if you copy them from their favorite mod maker
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This is not a hard concept.. The guys 'serving' ARE NOT THE ECC AUTHORITIES... Just a bunch of harassing punks.. The photo of the 'cops'?? Um, they are called 'security' and work for the center. They were called in because of a complaint. They talked. They took notes.
If a group of fat and frankly homeless looking dudes wearing jansport hobo bags walked up to me and shoved some shitty looking photo copy paper in my face and started talking shit I would tell them to fuck off to. I love vaping and a fair amount of the community but its asshole like those shitheads that ruin it for the rest of us. All they did was make themselves look like a bunch of harassing losers even if the others were in the wrong.
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Hmmm, were you there? I saw iJoy sell Manhattan clones for $180. Yes, actual Manhattan clones. For $180, saying they were authentic.
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Pics or it didn't happen...hell, find those who bought them and bring them here.
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Screenshot from the clip.
"Buying clones supports terrorists".
Attitudes like this should be bypassed.
"Buying clones supports terrorists".
Attitudes like this should be bypassed.
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So, just how many troll accounts are you gonna create?
Not to mention the cost of travel and such to get there. To find out this bullshit. I would want more then a refund of table cost
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You know there are no Cannabinoids in Hemp wick, right? Or do you just pretend to know what you're talking about? EVEN the federal government knows that Hemp is not what gets you high, and that's why they let people use henp in clothing again, as well as bags, etc.It's the Tetrahydrocannabinol that gets you high. Hemp is just a fiber material
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Who are you referring to? This is my only account
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BUSTED! HAHAHAHahahahaha
saying cbd in candy equates to a cannabis convention is like saying vaping is a tobacco convention. be prepared for vaping to be lumped in with tobacco, its the same mind set, just funny how you change ur mentality when it comes to bud. just pointing that out. both are using an extract from plant being used in various forms that have less negative effects on the body
I'm buying an Anubis mod, it's not a clone,however it is manufactured in china. It is a great price, 60 bucks for both the atty AND a mod, they are even serial numbered. This is the way I think the Chinese manufactures need to go. I think ECC should have told the retailers about the clone ban more than a day before the event however.
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An object can not change definition just because of perception. I buy a Rolex MOD, they tell me its not the real deal. 30 bucks. So you think even though it has Rolex all over it, and it looks just like it, with logos, that its just a clone. I then walk up to my buddy, and say I just scored this Rolex MOD, I will sell it to you for 200, of course its real, shit bro, why would I sell it for just 200 if you were not my friend. Suddenly the same object, seconds later, is now a counterfeit under your definition.
If you have swipped peoples logos, and brand names, its a counterfeit. If you are a vaper, and just want to vape, buy the unbranded clone, or something like a Siegeli.
Its not so complicated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit_consumer_goods
