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Hank F. Spankman

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Smokeyjoe just replied..

OK, thanks for everyone's input. I'm looking closely at this and discussing with admins. I'd please ask everyone to understand that our adminsdon't comment specifically on why these decisions are made, and that they're not arbitrary decisions.

Separating the commercial interests from the user-community is something we do really well (and have done consistently for many years), and hours of time and energy have gone into creating the foundations by which we do it.

We do this not to be difficult, but solely because it does actually protect the ECF community from being manipulated. Trust me when I say that lots of attempts have been made over the years to get in under the radar.

Now, I'm not saying that's what's happened in this case, but that's the backdrop to the current situation. The money that suppliers pay to register ($50/year) pays for our full-time suppliers administrator (it's her job!!) to help steward suppliers, and this is done SOLELY to protect the membership.

TL;DR - I'm looking at this, and we'll get it sorted fairly.
Drivel. He's just trying to shield the precious Modnazis' from critique
 

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Andria, that is the idea to Fuck Them! Since these moderators are being paid, time to remove this supplement from their incomes streams. Since Barney and Cagney & Lacey got too big for their britches I think we need to return the favor.
 

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Andria, that is the idea to Fuck Them! Since these moderators are being paid, time to remove this supplement from their incomes streams. Since Barney and Cagney & Lacey got too big for their britches I think we need to return the favor.

I guarantee you, if they lose their popularity, nobody there will be getting paid much longer. Those servers they use cost a LOT of money. Vote with your feet (figuratively speaking -- actually, your mouse!).

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Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. Malfeasance in office is often grounds for a for cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election.
 

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Which thread/mod caused the ban? When I search, I only see her posting on March 23. Did this happen last week and we are just now finding out?
I think it was unforseen or something like that that actually deleted the thread.

I knew about it last week when the thread was removed, and subsequent other threads started and removed.
 

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Yeah it was total Mass of Moderator Mayhem deleting threads. I was receiving emails for threads that were gone by the time I got to click on the links to them. Other threads were started asking what was up and those got deleted.
 

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What a crock of shit! No list that is public but the Retarded one has his own list of members he stalks and deletes posts for no reason. Heaven forbid you criticized him one time. He banned one guy before he even had 5 posts............

Smokey Joe's response to LouisL

I hope you can trust me when I say that no such list exists, and that every decision that is made is done with detailed discussions in the private moderators forum. There's honestly nothing arbitrary, or based on personal grudges.
 

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Ahh. Now it's starting to make sense.

Roxynoodle-- I owe you another thanks for leading me here.

Hey Kent, nice to see ya here!

This all put me in mind of one of my favorite Floyd songs.... One slip, and down the hole you fall... ;) They've pissed off a lot of folks over the years, and that's why we have VU... but you know that last straw that broke the camel's back...?


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Hey Kent, nice to see ya here!

This all put me in mind of one of my favorite Floyd songs.... One slip, and down the hole you fall... ;) They've pissed off a lot of folks over the years, and that's why we have VU... but you know that last straw that broke the camel's back...?


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Great minds think alike, Chopdoc just posted Pigs (Three Different Ones)
 

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I think it was unforseen or something like that that actually deleted the thread.

I knew about it last week when the thread was removed, and subsequent other threads started and removed.

AHHHH...well, not sure why I even thought I would be able to go back and read what the hell happened. Threads are deleted so fast, and so many, that it makes my head spin
 

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They are trying to get into damage control mode over there now but good luck on that........

The fact that SJ didn't shut it down and is trying to field some questions makes me think a Mod got overzealous and stepped out of bounds. He can't publicly blame and shame his Mod so he is trying to "give their side of the story", which is at the least bullshit and at most extortion.
 

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The Free Roxy thread is up to 6 pages now and the Joe guy is responding. But still open strangely enough.

Like I said damage control............... And he is the only person showing as online. I have not seen a Moderator over there in a couple of days. Either they are on stealth mode or they have been restricted. Have you seen any posts from any of those classless biotches?
 

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Funny how he never responded to my private message but used the wording I used. Personal grudges, Biased and Arbitrary.............

Makes more sense for him to be speaking in a thread about it instead of replying to PMs like that for now.
I used to Admin a couple of pretty large forums in the past and I know first hand how rough things can get when the shit hits the fan and a bunch of people want someone's head on a pike.

Roxy already said she won't go back, so reversing the ban (if they decided to do that that) would not serve much purpose. The bridge has already burned down. Now it is really just about how to repair some of the damage that has been done. How to best retain as many members as possible and stem any further fallout.

A lot of Veteran Members speaking out on it too, folks that have been around longer than some mods on there. Either way you look at it, this is a PR headache for them that IMHO could have been avoided by putting down the ban hammer and making a decision before it came to that. If there were posts or threads they felt were violating their rules, well that is what the report button is for. That is why I used to have a moderator forum where things could be moved for review and then put back in place or archived if necessary.

It is not like someone came and created an account to spam the forums with ads. This was a long standing member with a shit ton of posts and likes. How about giving her a little benefit of the doubt?
 

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Like I said damage control............... And he is the only person showing as online. I have not seen a Moderator over there in a couple of days. Either they are on stealth mode or they have been restricted. Have you seen any posts from any of those classless biotches?
I actually saw Robino post in a thread yesterday I think.
 

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Maybe SJ got tired of bleeding members and fired the whole lot of them (the mods). Probably too optimistic, though...

Roxy said she's not going back, and I've been saying that for 2 months... Well actually, I said I might go back if retarded1 was gone, in whatever way that was accomplished, but I don't anticipate him being gone, so it's basically just "I'm not going back." And even without retarded1, there's still that humorless and personality-less classless, and overzealous Robin....

I like VU; the mods aren't douches.

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I sent him a friendly message concerning the Moderators before the shit hit the fan and this whole Roxy debacle started. He was curious as the which moderator I was referring to. I responded by saying I did not feel comfortable naming names for fear of retaliation.


Makes more sense for him to be speaking in a thread about it instead of replying to PMs like that for now.
 

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I sent him a friendly message concerning the Moderators before the shit hit the fan and this whole Roxy debacle started. He was curious as the which moderator I was referring to. I responded by saying I did not feel comfortable naming names for fear of retaliation.

Ah, yeah, I don't know then, lack of time due to impending shit storm maybe? I guess at least you know he read it?
 

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Like I said damage control............... And he is the only person showing as online. I have not seen a Moderator over there in a couple of days. Either they are on stealth mode or they have been restricted. Have you seen any posts from any of those classless biotches?
I got PM responses from Robin & Classwife (real name used because I haven't run into her bad side yet! & yes I checked my back after our convo!)& she actually was helpful to my surprise! @SteveS45 DO NOT PUT ME ON BLAST! I'M NOT DEFENDING CLASSWIFE! Just saying maybe things are STARTING to change! But on the other hand that pussy RETARDED1 never even had the decency to aknowledge my PM!
 

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Since I first joined that forum the Retarded1 has been a thorn in my side. He speaks to members like they are children and abuses his power. He posts in one thread about doing things properly or accurately then in another he admits to doing hings the cheap or lazy way. Uh which is it the right way or whatever way you feel like? Oh, I am sorry whatever way you feel like today is what is considered the right way?

Right and wrong can be subjective as what works for one does not always work for others...........
 

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@AngiBe it happened between 11:30-11:38pm last Wednesday night. They deleted the Boreas thread and disabled my acct. No questions asked of me. There was just a notice pasted to me at the top of the site to email them at their supplier's email, so I did. A day later I got a reply saying either I or Augvape could be a registered supplier and the others' account would be closed. I forwarded it to Leon at Augvape so he could read it himself, and we discussed it. Sweetheart that he is he said I could, lmao! I said, no, I really can't, lol! I don't work for you. I know nothing about the business and would mess up royally.

So I responded to ecf about what really happened, what I thought about it, and told them to close my account. They've never replied. Sunday night I emailed again asking that they please close my account already because I feel like they're displaying me like a deer's head trophy. No reply to that either.

And no, I would never go back. Would you? I'm not bribable so there is nothing they could offer me. And I don't believe any of them would ever apologize.
 

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They even went so far as to say I was a supplier of attys from other companies because I recommended them. Ok. I think that makes me a supplier for 100 things from the US to Australia.
 

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Since I first joined that forum the Retarded1 has been a thorn in my side. He speaks to members like they are children and abuses his power. He posts in one thread about doing things properly or accurately then in another he admits to doing hings the cheap or lazy way. Uh which is it the right way or whatever way you feel like? Oh, I am sorry whatever way you feel like today is what is considered the right way?

Right and wrong can be subjective as what works for one does not always work for others...........

Totally agree, and classless speaks to members in exactly the same way. I don't know if she abuses her power as he does, but she is utterly without humor, personality, or compassion; she's a lot like a teacher/nanny-bot. Retarded1 is just a giant asshole whose karma will find him someday.

Andria
 

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Totally agree, and classless speaks to members in exactly the same way. I don't know if she abuses her power as he does, but she is utterly without humor, personality, or compassion; she's a lot like a teacher/nanny-bot. Retarded1 is just a giant asshole whose karma will find him someday.

Andria
They warn about off topic in one thread then go to another and say good mornings and haven't seen for for so long in another right after. I posted an Off Topic Imoji after that and guess what? Deleted and was warned to to criticize moderators? WTF? Posted only an imoji?
 
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