I am sorry for the newbs, but the mods created this mess. Bring them here. I'll help them.
Amen!
Well, I have plenty of time to spend online, so I figure I should try to help other new vapers, as so many have helped me -- the real PIF, time and attention and experienced advice.
But it's very obvious that ECF itself doesn't value the contributions of people like me and people like Roxy, or they wouldn't have treated us the way they did. So, fine. We'll take our experienced-vaper selves elsewhere, and they can go whistle, piss up a rope, whatever they desire.
Andria
Amen!
You know... I never really had much of a problem with their silly ass censorship, though I did always wonder why it was so fucking important to use "family friendly" language in a place that's for 18+ and ENFORCED to be 18+... but the biggest problem is their totally fascist refusal to ever permit anyone to say one fucking word about their moderators, or raise any questions about the unfairness of that moderation. There is absolutely zero recourse to anything the moderators take a notion to do, and that is just plain NOT FAIR. Moderators are human beings and thus quite prone to the usual idiocy and bias of any other human being, and to allow them to just run roughshod over everyone, all the time, willy-nilly... it's just plain EVIL.
Andria
Amen!
Gearbest??????? AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH! As if! They're worse than FT, and I won't order from THEM! I'm a broke tightwad, but I do have some standards...
Andria
And, Amen!
Well, now that I got church outta the way (I actually don't go to Church anymore. When I am on my MOTORCYCLE, I think a lot about God. When I am in CHURCH, I think a lot about my MOTORCYCLE!)
So time for a round at the bloody pulpit. I don't want to give them any ideas over there to help themselves anymore. It's just putting a band-aid on someone dying of internal injuries. But if they are going to run the place like a corporation, replete with brown nosing underlings with more power than sense, who make poor snap decisions, and run for guidance when they are in too deep, and if they want to consider us like "employees" who can be laid off, and disciplined, and fired, then they need what those corporations have to prevent mass migration.
A union. Member Advocates who represent the members, and have some authority and are part of the disciplinary process, like a union steward. You can't just have an open thread for complaints. You'll get folks like that whiny lil pussy who wandered into the "Shameful Treatment" thread bitching about his 3 day vacay for acting like a chode. Someone on the MEMBER side needs to tell folks like that, ya had it coming, deal with it. But then, that clears the bullshit before it reaches the ears of the staff, which makes the REAL concerns, not just background noise.
I have a couple businesses of my own to run. I'm not going to run Olivers. But somebody with a BALANCED vision from BOTH sides needs to be put in place. I can tell from a few things that Oliver has said, that he is starting to believe that Vaping is ECF, and ECF is vaping. God complex, and it is easy to slip into when you have the biggest boat. And your crew trembles at your sight, and all the passengers want to dine at your table. Fatal, too.
I'm only concerned about the vapers that get driven off that DON'T find this place. The ones who come here, that's just a net/net for vaping. Good for VJ, bad for SJ, no loss or gain for vaping. Reddit?!? OMG. They'll give up the online experience all together. And with that, they lose touch of advocacy issues, legislation to be fought, changes in tech, PIF'ing, helping those with less experience, everything. THAT is the REAL loss to vaping, that driving folks away poses.
Alright, lift up your hearts to the Lord, give him thanks and praise, and go in peace.
