Educate me on -- well, something. I'm not sure.

[MASSIVE]

I have only one question -- in forty-two parts.

First the gear:

The tank in question is the Tobeco Mini Super - *stock* 0.5 coil (absolutely unbelievable what this thing has been through and still rockin' - but that's for another thread).

Power (which is the whole point of this post): When this thing is on my cheap & cheesy eGo ONE 2600 mAh battery, I can draw a giant, long, wonderfully flavored but relatively cool plumes of thick, sweet, white puffy goodness.

When I strap it to my much more comprehensively controllable eVic VT, I can never get quite the same experience. When I run it up around 28-ish watts (3.75-ish volts), it's pretty close. But not quite the plume or (more importantly) the flavor. Plus, more heat (which is fine, but I'd love more sweet goodness and less wet cardboard).

QUESTION PART ONE: Why? Why does my "relatively" awesome mod not give me the same vape as my cheapie "self-regulated" stick? No matter the setting... I can make it much too cool, I can make it certainly too hot (although that coil holds up), but it's just not the same.

SIDE QUESTION: Why, OH why, when I'm burning through coils left and right on every tank I have (eGos, iJust 2's, Crowns, usually in 0.5) is THIS coil holding up in ways that I only hear about in vaping legend? It *says* Tobeco, but I don't know if it's just a rebranded Atlantis (same port size, etc.) or something. I've gone through -- I dunno, 15 Atlantis coils in various tanks in the past *month* and it's driving me batty.

Are their coils special in some way? Should I start ordering them on ebay or something and using them in all my other tanks (well, the ones that I can use them in)?

Don't get me wrong here -- I know I hit hard. A few shop-folk are calling me "The Iron Lung" already. I've had (several) Atlantis coils that lasted less than a half hour. A Crown 0.5 lasted less than a day before it was dry-hitting and black. But THIS one - it's magical.

It's just frustrating.

 

[JERUS]

I like car analogies as they are a common thing people have a basic knowledge of.

So your coil is the engine, your mod(battery) is the gas, your wicking material/juice is the air intake.

Run an engine at 120mph and you're going to burn your engine out if the air intake isn't able to cool it down enough. Just like your coil won't be able to run at a certain wattage unless the juice flow is able to keep up. It's what cools your coil and keeps it from going red hot and burning the wicking material.

So why isn't your bigger gas tank able to give a better vape? Well you're already at the desired goal, going beyond that doesn't help.

Why are certain coils working better than others? well the juice flow through the wick is simply performing better for your settings, I'm a big fan of Aspire and I know others are as well, people even put the Aspire coils in their Tobeco products. So I guess whatever settings you enjoy simply fit the coil the best, there's lots of variables involved and every company does their best to make the best for their goals, but those goals differ and of course then the results differ. Like the Tobeco coils the best then stick with them!

As a side note, juices matter on lifespan (as well as many other things like wattage and use) some juices will gunk and kill a coil quickly, 2 main things are citrus flavors and sweeteners.

Then there's also something to consider in quality control, duds get through, sometimes you just get a bad coilhead, it's the pain with premade coils, they're just bad sometimes.

Coils differ, the Crown uses SS which heats up quicker, it's a nice thing, but can also lead to overheating if the juice flow doesn't keep up. If you take long pulls in succession you may not give it enough "air" or juice to keep the coil cool leading to burning your wicking material. The Aspire and I believe Tobeco coils are Kanthal which is slower to heating but often more than quick enough. I was a big fan of the .5Ω Aspire coilhead when I was vaping that, they had other options but I found that the most enjoyable at a nice ~50w.

Anyways lots of variables, things suit different variables differently, so if you found something that you love, stick with it. Questioning why is GREAT it'll just lead to more knowledge of what's going on and "knowledge is power" but sometimes you just have to accept that while things may seem very similar there are differences that simply suit better. I don't know what the difference between a Tobeco .5Ω coil an Atlantis .5Ω coil are but apparently they work for you better so why change?!

 

[MASSIVE]

That's why I'm wondering if there's a difference - No one around here carries Tobeco coils. I certainly don't mind ordering from the bay or something, but I really wish the web sites for (many of) these companies had some detail. Tobeco can't even spell anything right, much less have a decent amount of detail in their descriptions.

 

[JERUS]

Yeah I had the same complaint about the premade coils. Just throwing the name isn't quite enough for me to feel comfortable I'm going to get what I want.

With that a few times I ordered Atlantis coils I got either old versions or slightly different ones than what I was expecting (they have different size airholes and juice holes with v1 and v2, and early versions of them were with a ceramic wicking material which could flake off and really screw up your throat, it was not fun).

That said: http://sweet-vapes.com/tobeco-supertank-coils.html

I've ordered from this company quite a few times and I've never had any issues. One of the companies I prefer if they carry what I want at a competitive price point.

 

[DED420]

There are Atlantis coils (v1-v2), Triton coils, and Tobeco coils, and the new cCell coils. The Atlantis coils (v1) had a weird ceramic based cotton sleeve something or other, and was unfavorable to vapers. So they fixed their coils in the (v2) using only cotton, which perform great (come in Kanthal, and Ni200 for TC). The Triton coils are designed the same, just use different wires (Clapton and SS) and perform amazing. Tobeco is the "proprietary" coil for your tank, which is very similar in design to the Atlantis/Triton coils, but has larger wicking holes on the coil head, and a slightly different airflow intake, which is probably why the seemed to perform alot better. Vaporesso's new cCell is a Ceramic coilhead which are also compatible. They have great reviews so far, everyone seems to love them (great flavor, great vapor production, long lasting coils) so they may be worth checking out (probably only find them online, none of our shops have them in stock).

but yeah TLDR: Tobeco's coils have larger wicking holes and a different airflow system, providing a better vape experience for your personal preference. The Triton coils are pretty standard at B&Ms now, you may want to give them a shot (SS coils are better than Kanthal IMO, but the Clapton is pretty sweet too)

Hope that helps

 

[MASSIVE]

Hope that helps

Holy crap! YES! That helps!

So getting this straight -- I can use Triton coils in any tank that uses Atlantis coils (as well as Tobeco)? I see the 0.5's are Clapton... But Eric's cool, so I can only imagine his coils are decent as well. I've heard nice things about the Vaporesso as well but didn't even know that it was Atlantompatible. So that's an option.

 

[JERUS]

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/aspire-atlantis-coil-fits.110143/

List of tanks that can use atlantis coils. While maybe not fully reversible it is a list of potential coils you could use as well

Also for the Atlantis coils, just a FYI to DED420 and other folks, though it doesn't really matter as they probably aren't producing the V1's anymore. The V1 coils actually had both the original ceramic and also a cotton variation before switching to the V2. V2's though have larger juice holes, airflow holes and a larger internal diameter coil... IIRC (been a while but I know they swapped to cotton before the V2 stuff came as I have some cotton V1 coils with the smaller stuff). I truly hope the original ceramics are completely out of circulation. I had that flaking issue happen to me right before we went to dinner for my buddies bachelor party, I was coughing up a storm for like 15 minutes while getting ready, luckily it eventually calmed down with the help of many of the refreshments we brought.

 

[Cereal_Killa]

I have the same eVic VT but I always run it at 35-45watts with .5 coils that might help a little, 28 sounds a lil low, .5 coils are usually recommended at 35-45 watt range. I'd stay away from EBay also way too many fakes being sold on there trust me I found out the hard way. The Claptons are the best in a Triton 2 imo (for vaping high VG juice & vapor production) but they have no temp control so you might burn threw more coils in the long run as they only come in .5ohm. If you wanna burn less coils you can go with the Aspire replacement coils that come in different resistances but high VG content juice & wattage also decides what coils will work best for you. The Aspire Replacements come in .3, .4 and 1.8 and are also compatible with the Atlantis, Atlantis 2, and Atlantis Mega as far I know. The gClapton Gold OVC coils sound good I haven't tried them yet but check them out. They claim these coils are really long lasting, heavy vapor producing coils at low wattage compatible with most Atlantis and Triton Tanks. Hope that helps

 

[MASSIVE]

OH. My. Gawd.

(Okay, I'm posting a lot of the rest of this copied & pasted from a post I made on a closed group on the FB this morning so I don't have to type it all again)

OKAY, my Vaporesso cCELL ceramic coils just arrived. 0.9 ohm and very pretty. Dropped them into a pair of iJust 2 tanks that were using (and roasting) Atlantis and eLeaf coils.

From what I can tell off the bat, needs a little time and non-powered hitting to prime properly. Had a "dry-ish" hit at first... There's no cotton against the (Kanthal) wire, so no truck-backfiring-into-the-mouth, though not pleasant. Dripping straight down the pipe to prime doesn't seem to do the trick either - Well, not immediately - Again, it takes a little time.

A few minutes later though... Holy crap, this is amazing. Huge flavor - and huge vapor production - which I wasn't expecting at all using a relatively high-resistance coil. My 1.0 ohm coils draw like a cigarette. My 0.5's I can probably just breathe through. These have a relaxed but controlled draw and absolutely zero cotton flavor. I'm tasting the juice and nothing else here. 27 watts on my eVic VT in VW mode. On a self-regulating iJust 2 "stick" it's running a bit too cool for my liking. Probably great with a "sharper" fruity flavor (which I'm priming now in another tank) but a bit weak for more subtle "rounder" creamier flavors (I'm running a half-and-half mix of T1V's French Custard and Element's Crema in the tank at the moment).

Super consistent -- As the packaging states so far, no spitting at all.

Confirmed, the sharper flavor works pretty well on the stick. Still better on the box. Warm & silky when approaching 30W -- Can't get used to pumping this much power into a nearly 1-ohm coil without it starting on fire. ;-)

Might have more to add later but for now, I really need to start crankin' out the hits. Whoa - Double meaning there. I'll take it.

And around 6 hours (and ~12ml of max VG) later, this thing is just absolutely golden. Flavor is coming through HUGE. Warms up nicely over a few hits (both the coil and the flavor). And *so* consistent -- It's like the vapor is being gently expelled as opposed to being drawn out (if that makes sense).

I'm lucky that it's a really busy day or I'd be out of juice. I only hope this thing has the longevity I've heard about. Burning through so many coils so fast was the purpose of trying these in the first place. But the flavor will keep me coming back.

 

[pulsevape]

you lost me at Tobeco.

 

[MASSIVE]

Geez, these things are insane... #ChicagoAreaDenseFogAdvisory

 

[Cereal_Killa]

Lol Hopefully no1 calls the fire department, I ordered the Reuleaux DNA 200 and some new drip tips the other day, I fkn hate buying coils like crazy. I get like maybe 2 days out of the new Clapton .5ohm with my high VG juice and compulsive vaping. I still like keeping a tank on hand when I'm out, I hate drawing attention dripping in public and the clouds of vapor always catch the police attention.

 

[Cereal_Killa]

OH. My. Gawd.

(Okay, I'm posting a lot of the rest of this copied & pasted from a post I made on a closed group on the FB this morning so I don't have to type it all again)

And around 6 hours (and ~12ml of max VG) later, this thing is just absolutely golden. Flavor is coming through HUGE. Warms up nicely over a few hits (both the coil and the flavor). And *so* consistent -- It's like the vapor is being gently expelled as opposed to being drawn out (if that makes sense).

I'm lucky that it's a really busy day or I'd be out of juice. I only hope this thing has the longevity I've heard about. Burning through so many coils so fast was the purpose of trying these in the first place. But the flavor will keep me coming back.

This is what I do to avoid burning coils and getting the most out of them, maybe it'll work for you if you don't already do this. First drip some juice on the exposed cotton holes on the coils, I do this a few times letting it absorb before each new drop. Then I install the coil like usual in the tank, fill with juice and let it sit for 15-20 mins(seems a little OCD I know). Lower the watts to around 20 take a few brief puffs, turn it up to 30watts take a few more brief puffs, take a few puffs at 35, then take some regular but not too long of hits at 40 watts till the juice taste right. You'll always get a lil a bit of a dry plastic taste at first but if you get a burnt taste right off the bat that coil isn't gonna last long. It's a lot of patience & diligence which I lack but I got sick of buying two 5 pack of coils a week. Stuff ends up costing way more than smoking cigarettes when you add in the cost of e juice ect.

 

[MASSIVE]

Been doing the same -- Plus poking the cotton (HUGE help there actually). Getting more out of them to some extent. Still, hoping these Vaporesso cCELL things will be the -- well, *an* answer.

 

[MASSIVE]

Well after about 5 days with the Vaporesso cCELL coils, I've found an answer.

An answer to unbelievable flavor and crazy vapor with a 0.9 ohm coil that draws like 0.5 and as far as going through juice, if on one side you have "drippers" this is the faucet.

Absolutely amazing. But cranks through juice like a beast.