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FA Mango arrved today, and, well... I think I prefer the Inawera! The FA seems a bit thin, delicate, and subtle in comparison. It's still good, but when I thnk of Mango I think of something that tastes a bit 'thicker'.

Anyone else tried both?

I have another cart going, and I realized I only have an untouched 3ml bottle of FA mango. So, you think it's worth ordering IW mango? I really like mango so if it's that good I need it.

And, of course I don't have Wintergreen...............but thank goodness I haven't closed out my cart yet!
 

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I have both INW and FA mango, but my tastes are a bit different from yours. FA, imo is a deeper mango, more realistic and unique. 1-3%. The INW mango is not as "thick" as fa's but it is sharper and a bit more candyish although not candy tasting. I need more time with INW mango, because I got a perfume note from 1-3%. I see more potential using it as a mixer for a bright mango note.
FA Mango arrved today, and, well... I think I prefer the Inawera! The FA seems a bit thin, delicate, and subtle in comparison. It's still good, but when I thnk of Mango I think of something that tastes a bit 'thicker'.

Anyone else tried both?
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I have both INW and FA mango, but my tastes are a bit different from yours. FA, imo is a deeper mango, more realistic and unique. 1-3%. The INW mango is not as "thick" as fa's but it is sharper and a bit more candyish although not candy tasting. I need more time with INW mango, because I got a perfume note from 1-3%. I see more potential using it as a mixer for a bright mango note.

How strange... I find the INW Mango to give the deeper note, with more body, but without the subtlety and higher notes of the FA. There's no doubt that the FA is the more complex flavour. The INW needs a steep, but after that I don't really get 'perfume' from it, and I'd say it has minimal candy-ness (compared to other INW fruits) even though it's quite a sweet flavour. Beyond that, my descriptive powers are lacking :) But how strange to be finding almost the complete opposite - I'd add FA as the bright notes!
 

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I have another cart going, and I realized I only have an untouched 3ml bottle of FA mango. So, you think it's worth ordering IW mango? I really like mango so if it's that good I need it.

I'd say if you already have a cart going somewhere that sells it, then it's worth getting, otherwise no rush. Either way, you really should get round to trying your FA Mango :D
 

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How strange... I find the INW Mango to give the deeper note, with more body, but without the subtlety and higher notes of the FA. There's no doubt that the FA is the more complex flavour. The INW needs a steep, but after that I don't really get 'perfume' from it, and I'd say it has minimal candy-ness (compared to other INW fruits) even though it's quite a sweet flavour. Beyond that, my descriptive powers are lacking :) But how strange to be finding almost the complete opposite - I'd add FA as the bright notes!
Yeah its amazing how tastes are so subjective. What % are you using for the mangoes? Do you get any perfume from the INW fresh mixed?
 

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Has anyone found an ingredient to boost white peach without adding any additional flavor? I'm having a hard time getting a full peach flavor . Currently using 10%. Under 6% and its just not peach/ no flavor.
 

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Probably haven't tried it yet, because HIC hasn't put up a recipe LOL
Have too! It's a major flavor here: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-sunrise-smoothie-customizable.1845/

I also have a Mango Lassi I've never posted. It uses FA Fresh Cream, Mango, Cardamom, and anything with a hint of sour. I was never entirely satisfied with the sour ingredient. I settled on Lime but wished FA had a diacetyl-free yogurt flavor (to replace the Fresh Cream and most of the lime).
 

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Yeah its amazing how tastes are so subjective. What % are you using for the mangoes? Do you get any perfume from the INW fresh mixed?

I used just 1% of INW Mango in a mix, and my tester (made ages ago) is probably 2 or 3%. Started with the FA at 3%.... I'd group it along with Fuji and White Peach - lots of detail, sharp, bright. I like that, but since my current in-progress is a mix with Mandarin the INW seems to go better with it... gives me the bit of mango that I want there. I don't really get much of a perfumey taste from either, fresh (and I haven't had chance to steep the FA yet).

The two together is really good - if anyone wants a standalone Mango vape, do that!
 

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Have too! It's a major flavor here: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-sunrise-smoothie-customizable.1845/

I also have a Mango Lassi I've never posted. It uses FA Fresh Cream, Mango, Cardamom, and anything with a hint of sour. I was never entirely satisfied with the sour ingredient. I settled on Lime but wished FA had a diacetyl-free yogurt flavor (to replace the Fresh Cream and most of the lime).

That's why I have it! I did make that recipe but it was months ago, and I'd totally forgotten about it :)

Yum on the mango lassi. Hmmm, adding something else to my cart now:p
 

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Has anyone found an ingredient to boost white peach without adding any additional flavor? I'm having a hard time getting a full peach flavor . Currently using 10%. Under 6% and its just not peach/ no flavor.
What nic are you using? I use 3.5% in VT nic find same percentage in WL nic is lacking, imo.
 

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Has anyone found an ingredient to boost white peach without adding any additional flavor? I'm having a hard time getting a full peach flavor . Currently using 10%. Under 6% and its just not peach/ no flavor.

I've heard that adding a bit of Apricot will boost the Peach.
And adding a bit of Peach will boost the Apricot.

Never tried it myself tho...
 

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I've heard that adding a bit of Apricot will boost the Peach.
And adding a bit of Peach will boost the Apricot.

Never tried it myself tho...
I've tried it. Apricot does boost the peach but peach just overwhelms the apricot the other way around. White peach that is. Passion fruit boosted the peach as well.

edit: papaya not passionfruit :confused:
 
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I've tried it. Apricot does boost the peach but peach just overwhelms the apricot the other way around. White peach that is. Passion fruit boosted the peach as well.

OK, thanks, good to know it only works in 1 direction, lol.
 

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Has anyone found an ingredient to boost white peach without adding any additional flavor? I'm having a hard time getting a full peach flavor . Currently using 10%. Under 6% and its just not peach/ no flavor.
You could check out my just peachy recipe. It's good.
 

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Off-topic, but I made an order for some Atmos Lab flavours today:

Banana, Biskoto, Blueberry, Chestnut, Cinnamon Cookies, Honey Moon, Kaimaki, Mastic, Pistachio, Soursop (guanabana), Vodka and Waffle.

Hey Hermit, make us a vape version of this with Mastic! http://theepicentre.com/?recipe=turkish-delight-recipe
I had no idea what mastic even was...tree sap from Greece, interesting. I've never used the real stuff - have you?
 

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Hey Hermit, make us a vape version of this with Mastic! http://theepicentre.com/?recipe=turkish-delight-recipe
I had no idea what mastic even was...tree sap from Greece, interesting. I've never used the real stuff - have you?

Nope, never used or tasted mastic knowingly! I had to google a few of their flavours to find out what they were - still not sure what the difference between Lukumi (aka Greek Delight?) and Turkish Delight is, they're both pink at least :D
 

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Finally, my apple cider recipe is posted. Sorry that took so long, but I think the results are worth it.
Bonus points for anyone who already has all the flavors, lol!
 

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Finally, my apple cider recipe is posted. Sorry that took so long, but I think the results are worth it.
Bonus points for anyone who already has all the flavors, lol!
Holy crap, no wonder it took you a long time.

On a darker note, if you guys want to read between the lines over in this thread : http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diacetyl-acetyl-propionyl.17624/#post-112606

Seems even our beloved Flavourart is probably in the liar category when it comes to Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl.
 
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Thank you! Can't wait to try this!
And.... I have all the flavors....... on my "to buy" list ;)
 

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Holy crap, no wonder it took you a long time.

On a darker note, if you guys want to read between the lines over in this thread : http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diacetyl-acetyl-propionyl.17624/#post-112606

Seems even our beloved Flavourart is probably in the liar category when it comes to Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl.

I can't find the post you're referring to, but FA published clearstream sheets showing the lack of these chemicals. Of course their kitchen line, as they say, does have these ingredients!
 

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I can't find the post you're referring to, but FA published clearstream sheets showing the lack of these chemicals. Of course their kitchen line, as they say, does have these ingredients!
Post #15

Like I said you have to read between the lines and I guess she could have been referring to flavors in the kitchen line but I'm not going to be surprised if something bad comes out about Flavourart. If eliminating these chemicals was as easy as switching to Flavourart I don't see how this issue would be so difficult to remedy.
 

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I can't find the post you're referring to, but FA published clearstream sheets showing the lack of these chemicals. Of course their kitchen line, as they say, does have these ingredients!
I've been reading that thread he's talking about. It's a very bold statement for someone to make after he mentioned FA.
 

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I've been reading that thread he's talking about. It's a very bold statement for someone to make after he mentioned FA.

I've been following that thread too, but unless I'm forgetting something these clearstream sheets also ruled out all diketones, not just diacetyl. Maybe she's talking about the kitchen line? Who knows!
 

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I wondered that too. I wanted to ask her but had to leave for work. It appeared as though he final mixes contained them. So I wonder if she had single flavors done as well.


Sent from my stupid iPhone because I don't have an Android.
 

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Sorry, I don't want to turn this awesome thread into yet another diacetyl bash.

One last thing can someone post a link to the clearstream documents concerning diketones. Everything I have seen is the live cell testing results.
 

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She tests the raw flavours and the finished juice. I asked her last night if any F.A "e-cig" line flavours ever came back positive and she said "Unfortunately yes:(".

not sure what to make of this. The juices that I've DIY have certainly not tasted as buttery-slick as a lot of my pre-made, but I'm no expert of being able to detect butter notes.

All it would take is testing a couple of the most suspect flavours to figure it out I guess.
 

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I've been reading that thread he's talking about. It's a very bold statement for someone to make after he mentioned FA.

I'm guessing somebody claimed that FlavourArt e-cig flavorings contain diacetyl? Where did they post lab test results? Did they even bother to name the flavoring(s), or just trying to generally slander the brand? Have they shown FlavourArt a lab test that disputes the Italian lab's results? Is this person by any chance someone with a competing product to sell? I truly don't know the details, but I'm guessing that last answer could be a yes.

Anyone disputing the diacetyl-free claim that FA has built their reputation on needs to either show the proof (just like that Canadian vendor did with Flavor West flavorings) or just shut the fuck up. Aaand that will be my last comment until/unless evidence is produced.
 

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This may not be apples to apples here. If she tested the straight FA flavors at 100% that would presumably produce a much higher level of diketones compared to the clearstream tests which are diluted flavorings with pg/vg/nic @ their recommended % for ecigs. The FA Kiwi for example was analyzed at a 2%, FA Almond at 4% and so on. Just throwing it out there...
 

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I'm guessing somebody claimed that FlavourArt e-cig flavorings contain diacetyl? Where did they post lab test results? Did they even bother to name the flavoring(s), or just trying to generally slander the brand? Have they shown FlavourArt a lab test that disputes the Italian lab's results? Is this person by any chance someone with a competing product to sell? I truly don't know the details, but I'm guessing that last answer could be a yes.

Anyone disputing the diacetyl-free claim that FA has built their reputation on needs to either show the proof (just like that Canadian vendor did with Flavor West flavorings) or just shut the fuck up. Aaand that will be my last comment until/unless evidence is produced.
I have not TASTED anything even REMOTELY custard note from ANY of the e-cig line flavors. Not saying it's not POSSIBLE, but if there's ANY diketones in the e-cig line, then they must be barely traceable. I'm with HIC.
 

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I think Rygon is right if those lab results are Claerstream results? I can't even bring them up in English so...

Dr Farsalinos stated-
"The Clearstream studies had nothing to do with diacetyl and acetyl propionyl."

Not saying at all that they aren't A&D free, only that I don't believe it's the clearstream tests that will be verifying this.
 

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FA have said many times their line that is specifically for vaping (not the kitchen magic line) and contains no diacetyl or diketones. They've made a big point of stating this going several years back, and they're constantly reformulating flavors from the kitchen magic line to be safe to vape. I'd be very interested to know which flavors the other party tested and found to contain these substances - at the very least, I'd be interested to know the outcome of her correspondence with FA (I'm assuming there will be some, since she says she found diketones).
 

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The only flavoring actually listed on the lab sheet she provided was a FW flavoring, and well that doesn't much mean anything to me...
 

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Anyone disputing the diacetyl-free claim that FA has built their reputation on needs to either show the proof (just like that Canadian vendor did with Flavor West flavorings) or just shut the fuck up. Aaand that will be my last comment until/unless evidence is produced.

Exactly HIC! To me (at least), it's a HUGE difference between outing juice vendors and flavoring houses. Let's face it, the flavoring houses have WAY more liability in the big picture. Especially FA, who, like you said, built their reputation on being diacetyl and AP free. FW was exposed, TFA and Cap are working on reformulating lots of their stuff...but if FA's line is smoke and mirrors, somebody is gonna need to SHOW that to me before I'll believe it. I won't deny that what this lady is doing is a good thing and I applaud her if she can truly prove all her juices are clean. But casting vague doubt about a flavor house that most diyers (much less juice companies) haven't caught up to yet, sounds like "profit protection" to me. I mean if you think her sales haven't at least TRIPPLED just since she was on Kevin's show the other night, you are naive. Just sayin'. I'm open minded and if it's proven I will accept it, but I gotta see proof.
 

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Well... it's probably fair to give her a little time to decide how to respond to the latest batch of posts. I'm sceptical of those claims w.r.t. FA too, but let's see if any more specifics are forthcoming.
 

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Well... it's probably fair to give her a little time to decide how to respond to the latest batch of posts. I'm sceptical of those claims w.r.t. FA too, but let's see if any more specifics are forthcoming.

Evasive maneuvers in the dark... watching her (I predict) trying to backtrack should be worthy of a bowl of popcorn.
 

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