@wllmc Just wanted to double check on this, the best one is with both the orange and the red wine, right?
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@wllmc Just wanted to double check on this, the best one is with both the orange and the red wine, right?
atmos! Should it be its own thread? I'm looking forward to reading your descriptions, wherever it is!
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Yes, I will make a thread, for now I'm just letting my FA Club buddies know what I'm up to
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This is NOT finished, just a first cut that still needs to steep (Pistacchio mellows a lot):
2% Pistacchio
2% Mandarin (could go 3%)
1% Mango (e-aromat)
1% Meringue
0.5% Cream Fresh
0.5% Brandy
But it definitely has promise
I made a mix with no Pistachio, 3% Mandarin and everything else the same, so I could play around between those extremes. The pistachio does help in small amounts, but too much and the woody note just doesn't fit right. Definitely needs steeping.
This is much closer, I think...
0.5% Pistacchio
2.5% Mandarin
1% Mango (inawera e-aromat)
1% Meringue
0.5% Cream Fresh
0.5% Brandy
Probably fine to replace the Inawera Mango with FA Mango at about the same %, but maybe boost the 0.5% Cream Fresh a touch. It won't be quite as good IMO - Inawera Mango and FA Mandarin go really well together.
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No but got a ehpro Pontus. Sux though because the center tube is too narrow and condensation gets trapped in it way too easily. Big dripper has much wider center tube so should work great, but I gave up and got a REO.
I sure agree with "woody" as regards FA Pistachio! I like it some tobaccos in place of or to supplement Oakwood. It worked in biscotti for me with varying levels of success, but not much else. This might be a time that saline could help, assuming you taste the salt when you add it.
Hey, I wonder if the lightly-toasted bit of Marzipan would work with it? The sweetness would sure help.
Had to order Kiwi and Mad fruit......sounds good...gonna try it !
I remember some of you mentioning "Summer Clouds" a while back. Anyone have any experience with this one ?
The ecigexpress descriptions says:
FlavourArt has done it yet it again with this fantastic fruit flavor. Sweet yet subtle, Summer Clouds delivers the pleasant taste of fruit punch—an exquisite combination of the summer fruits we all know and love.
The ecigexpress descriptions says:
FlavourArt has done it yet it again with this fantastic fruit flavor. Sweet yet subtle, Summer Clouds delivers the pleasant taste of fruit punch—an exquisite combination of the summer fruits we all know and love.
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At 0.5% it's very much just a hint of pistachio. I will be trying it over the weekend with the Atmos version, of course
I have a love/hate relationship with Marzipan, if mixed at any normal amount - love it for a while, then can't wait to change to something else!
OK, I think I found it. Basically FA used to publish percentages in the flavor descriptions but no longer uses percentages, instead "This flavor contains Diacetyl and/or related diketones. Not suitable for vaping. For further details see diacetyl page in Vape Heaven section". So our expectations are based on the reformulation which removed diketones as flavor elements but there is no statements about trace contamination or independent testing or components/msds sheets?
Not criticizing, just trying to get my facts straight.
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I didn't care for it much, but I had a lot less to say against it than some! The floral (rose?) veil over the fruits rather let it down, and otherwise you might be better off mixing your favourite fruits together. OTOH, if you dig a bit of floral, you might love it! I think, IIRC, we2rcool liked it.
i like it, but I keep it to around .5 to .75% and normally add other floras to it.
lil marshmallow or cream, and it's good..
you could contact FA on all of this and get it cleared up for yourself.
just a thought..
I did but I didn't ask for any testing or anything.you could contact FA on all of this and get it cleared up for yourself.
just a thought..
This was their response if anyone is interested:
"Hello Ryan
We tested about 30 flavors which are the most representative of our flavor materials, and results have been encouraging.
Testing further has been postponed as we directed our resources and money to the clinical trials made by Dr. Farsalinos that couple well the in vitro studies.
We will start again in vitro studies soon and we expect good results as well.
We removed diacetyl from our formulas long time ago, acetoin can be present in tiny amount on some recipes but latest info we got about it seems to exclude a similar role for it compared to diacetyl.
We never used acetyl propionyl.
We reformulate of course trying to mimic as much as possible but for certain flavors, as butter, it is not possible to avoid it.
We point out flavors containing it
Cordiali saluti/Best regards,
Massimiliano"
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yes
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Awesome, 30mls mixed and in the crockpot. I'll taste it tomorrow, and then put it away for a month (.......patience, patience - not something I'm very good at with juice LOL).
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I know right, if I want to steep some Ill just make a little to much so that it gets put away when I get on to something else. if it turns out it does make a difference Ill make like 60 0r 120 ml so its always there
Hey @Cramptholomew , that link I posted about 1ml syringes... well mine came in a couple days ago. What I failed to notice since I was searching "luer lock" was that these are luer SLIP. Just thought I should let you know in case. They still work fine, they just don't "lock" on.
I noticed that! They work fine, though, right?
Cavediver and I ordered about a ka-gillion of the 1 ml syringes....slip on. The luer lock tips work just fine. They just push right on. I havent had one fall off yet.....not even during washing them.
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Hear they are pretty good! I don't have any 26650 mods though.i have the big budda
I've always wanted to try this but have never remembered to pick up the wine flavor
would it be good without it or maybe sub something else in there?
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I havent tried it without the wine. I bet it would still be good. maybe double up on the orange like HIC does.I've always wanted to try this but have never remembered to pick up the wine flavor
I am vaping it without Cinnamon and without Wine right now - left everything else as you wrote it. And it's aweeeesome - just like Anna's Orange cookies. YES I made the whole version, too - and packed it away to steep!
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awesome ! , thanksgiving dinner is going to be pretty sweet with a biscochito vape
My still-smoking, anti-vaping friends are going to be SO jealous when I break out my biscochito after the turkey LOL
FA began reformulating flavorings to eliminate diacetyl in November, 2010. They basically finished (all but a few we now have in the e-cig line) by March, 2011. During that time, they posted the results of diacetyl tests on all flavorings that contained any. That list got shorter until it contained only their Kitchen flavors with their percents listed. Eventually they removed that data from their website. You can understand why if I give you an example.
Their Boiled Beef flavor was measured to have 0.00005% diacetyl. That is 5 parts per 10 million, which is 0.5 ppm. This was posted on their website from November 2010 until sometime after March 2011. Now, if that were a tasty-sounding flavoring like Croissant, and it was shown to have such a tiny amount of diacetyl, many people would blow off the tiny number and vape it anyway. Right? Heck, Vapor Bar is using higher concentrations in ready-to-vape, diluted eliquid as a selling point! I can see why they removed the list, to prevent misuse. I will not repost the list here when FA has chosen to remove the data from their website.
I have copies of the data posted on their website from 12-28-2010 (most flavors still containing diacetyl); January 24, 2011 (many e-cig flavors now reformulated); February 8, 2011 (mostly current kitchen flavors remaining), and reference to Max's statement that a couple others were cleared on 2/28/2011. Several of us saw Pistachio cleared of its previous 0.0015% quite recently. If you dig on Google, you can find the tables I referenced here.
One interesting observation regarding FA's testing is that they reported to the hundred-thousanth of a percent. Even a fraction of one part per million keeps the inhalation warning and remains a Kitchen only flavor. Any flavoring with ANY diacetyl (measured at least to parts per 10 million) keeps it OFF the e-cig line. All e-cig flavors measured 0 (parts per 10 million, at least).
I do not know WHY FA won't toot their own horn on this point!!
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ugh who wants to vape broiled beef
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A Ramen noodle vape anyone?
hahaha - wllmc vaped Roasted Chicken !
Awesome, they really should make this information available. Seems like they could make big market grabs during these diketone scares. Think maybe the way back machine would give me those charts? I'll start digging, thanks. Still would be easier if I could email my local B&M a web link.
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Anyone else get mixers block while waiting for an order to come in? I have SO many flavors but waiting for my latest batch to come in tomorrow. Bull City just added Cold Press, Fig, Clove, and Black Tea btw. I'm excited to try cold press stand alone!
Cold Press is good stuff. I think it makes most fruits better fruits.
I vaped panettone, which is basically the same thing. I'm still alive! I wouldn't vape it everyday though...
That's why its in the kitchen magic line only
I loved pannettone
I never knew I was surrounded by such daredevils. You guys probably clip the tags off of your mattresses too.
edit: I guess if you vaped it at 1% and didn't breath any other diacetyl in the mean time you could do 1ml every three days and still stay under Dr. F's limit.
edit: I guess if you vaped it at 1% and didn't breath any other diacetyl in the mean time you could do 1ml every three days and still stay under Dr. F's limit.
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What to vape is always an individual's choice - should be an informed one, however.
Pandoro was last reported at 2%; no FA flavoring ever reported more.
TFA calls anything under 0.5% a 'trace,' to put that in perspective.
Other US flavor manufacturers call anything <1% diacetyl-free (yes, it is legal to do so)
2% = 20,000 ppm in the full-strength flavoring, correct
It is more potent than all of the ecig flavors, so dilution come into play.
What I vape is absolutely an informed choice. It's not bravery (and not cowardice to avoid it).
I hate mattress tags, though.
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I bought the panettone from PV, assuming it was DA/AP/A free. I vaped it for a couple days until I found out it's Kitchen Magic. I got mad and threw it out, then I promptly notified Nikhil. He replied stating that he knows about it, but chooses to sell it anyway, but that's why the big disclaimer on their 3ml page. I didn't realize the disclaimer was pertinent to flavors he sells. I thought it was just a "the more you know". Long story short, that was silly of me. Everything in moderation. Especially if it tastes good.
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lmfao !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm thinking about asking them if they would consider posting a list of the percentages for their e-cig line in light of this most recent diacetyl scare and the whole testing craze going on right now. Do you think they are afraid of some kind of liability or something if there is any irregularity in their production process? I wouldn't want them to think I have some kind of ulterior motives or whatever.
You don't understand, Rygon. There is no list to post for their e-cig line. They are all 0, or they wouldn't BE in the e-cig line. They could state the unit of precision they use, though - and should, IMO. Zero ppm is danged impressive, assuming it's still that. (I have no reason to believe it has changed)
And I think there is no way in the world they will publish the numbers for their Kitchen line. But you could always ask.
P.S. - there used to be a link on their website, really buried, to the lab that does their testing. I can look for it tomorrow if you don't find it.
I'm not interested in the Kitchen line. I totally understand their position on that but zero ppm in writing that we could point people toward would be awesome. Think about all the attention this stuff is getting right now. Imagine an FA rep with a suave Italian accent on some of these big podcasts/vlogs. That would be a game changing interview.
You want Fig, Curly. Yep.
Though I haven't mixed with one yet, I did play around with it. Yep, stayed securely on. I might even like this a bit better. Didn't expect that, so didn't need to do a face-palm. Just wanted to inform you when I did find out, since you asked for the link. I'm also glad that Tball said they worked out great for him, too.
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Take it Fig is good?