Guns!

[PoppaVic]

Unless you can get the Supremes to roll-back the illegal legislation from - what was it? 1934? Post-prohibition bbl-length nonsense that kept the ATF employed and was illegal even THEN - it won't be legislation that affects the change. Every iota pf federal legislation since then has been more and more infringing and illegal in the extreme.

I'm not sure which States come right out and say in THEIR constitutions that folks can't have guns, but in any event: federal, state or local - it's an infringement of a "basic human right" - which is what the BOR was and why they popped the sucker in there.

And, assuming folks even did defend themselves, the leftists (and even the rightists) would be persecuting them in every case in every court. Personally, I'd like to see every unarmed person taxed MORE by their local and state in order to pay someone ELSE to protect them all the time.

 

[raymo2u]

Unless you can get the Supremes to roll-back the illegal legislation from - what was it? 1934? Post-prohibition bbl-length nonsense that kept the ATF employed and was illegal even THEN - it won't be legislation that affects the change. Every iota pf federal legislation since then has been more and more infringing and illegal in the extreme.

I'm not sure which States come right out and say in THEIR constitutions that folks can't have guns, but in any event: federal, state or local - it's an infringement of a "basic human right" - which is what the BOR was and why they popped the sucker in there.

And, assuming folks even did defend themselves, the leftists (and even the rightists) would be persecuting them in every case in every court. Personally, I'd like to see every unarmed person taxed MORE by their local and state in order to pay someone ELSE to protect them all the time.

Your Talking about the NFA (National Firearms Act of 1934), the ATF arose shortly after prohibition, my guess is that prohibitions caused so many seats to fill in the Treasury that when prohibition was overturned they need a reason to keep all their new "members" around, thus Firearms became a BoogeyMan to go after and regulate/tax.The NFA creates the labels and descriptors for firearm types, many confusing, redundant and contradictive but have been ingeniously skirted recently in multiple ways (thank Jesus). It exceeds Congress's authority under the Commerce Clause, even without the Second Amendment its still Unconstitutional. The NFA made guidelines of what was "okay to have" and what needed to be taxed/registered, anything out of the ordinary was gone after and thanks to the NRA for helping to write it up it got passed through. It also created a Registry for the State that any of these "extreme firearms" would need to be Taxed and a State and Federal Collection was needed to be kept (this part is extremely unconstitutional).

A $200 transfer tax in 1934 is the equivalent of a $2,854 tax today, on top of fingerprinting and permission from the local head of law enforcement PER NFA Item.
The Constitution outlines that Taxes are Voluntary and cannot be used to undermine law, liberty, or Citizens Rights - The Registration System of Firearms is also Unlawful. If you are required to pay a tax and get a receipt that is, in effect, a license. They can simply refuse to take your money and issue you a receipt -- therefore, no license, and you are prohibited from owning them and they have done just that in other areas (New Jersey comes to mind). It is worth noting that 2A says "shall not be infringed". It does not say "shall not be prohibited", a Tax can be an infringement. Imagine if the tax wasn't $200 but it was $10,000 - that would make owning a Firearm listed by unobtainable for the masses.

States Rights are more powerful than Federal statues and Feds are not to argue or intervene with State statutes...which is why I dont understand the whole Plant debacle but I that wont be a problem in the coming few years, whether thats good or bad is another discussion but the point is overreach. This is why its very important that you keep an ear and eye out for local meetings/hearings for Firearm related legislation, your voice IS IMPORTANT and it can be the only factor in changing a large group minds if they are considering passing legislation. Apathy has been the biggest problem for Firearm Owners, we dont like bothering other people, we just want to be left alone but we need to start making noise and sharing information, its the only way to turn things around.
We need to Repeal the NFA 1934, GCA 1968, Hughes Amendment of 1986 and the 922(o). None of these have benefit anyone but the IRS/Government/Criminals/Gangs as mentioned earlier.

 

[inspects]

I stocked up significantly prior to the 2016 election, if that corrupt bitch may have won, I wanted to be fully prepared.

 

[Rossum]

Let's take Chicago as an example....toughest gun laws in the United States...highest murder rate in the history of our nation the last 4 years running. There are 3.3 million law-abiding gun owners in the USA with 12 trillion rounds of ammunition. If we were the problem; you'd know it by now...

I'm not sure where you got those numbers, but they are seriously flawed.

Chicago has a lot of murders, yes, but that's in part due to its huge population, and its murder rate (per 100,000 people) isn't exceptional at all. In fact there are a half dozen US cities with higher murder rates. St. Louis and Baltimore are currently at the top of that list. Both have murder rates more that double Chicago's.

There are a lot more than 3.3 million gun owners in the US. Heck, there are a fair number of individual States with more that 3.3 million gun owners each, and there are over 16 million people in the US with concealed carry permits. The number of gun owners in the US is generally estimated at 80 to 100 million.

As for the number of rounds of ammunition, that's really difficult to estimate. One could figure out how many rounds have been produced and sold over some period of time, but then one would have to subtract how many have been shot, and that's pretty much impossible to know. Then there's also the question of what constitutes ammo. I have a pretty good stash of reloading components. Is that considered ammo? If so, how do you count it? Number of primers? Number of bullets? Number of pounds of powder divided by some arbitrary number of grains per round? In any case, I think your 12 trillion figure is too high by at least an order of magnitude. If we have 100 million gun owners, 12 trillion rounds would imply that the average gun owner has 120,000 rounds. Even I don't have that many.

 

[raymo2u]

I'm not sure where you got those numbers, but they are seriously flawed.

Chicago has a lot of murders, yes, but that's in part due to its huge population, and its murder rate (per 100,000 people) isn't exceptional at all. In fact there are a half dozen US cities with higher murder rates. St. Louis and Baltimore are currently at the top of that list. Both have murder rates more that double Chicago's.

There are a lot more than 3.3 million gun owners in the US. Heck, there are a fair number of individual States with more that 3.3 million gun owners each, and there are over 16 million people in the US with concealed carry permits. The number of gun owners in the US is generally estimated at 80 to 100 million.

As for the number of rounds of ammunition, that's really difficult to estimate. One could figure out how many rounds have been produced and sold over some period of time, but then one would have to subtract how many have been shot, and that's pretty much impossible to know. Then there's also the question of what constitutes ammo. I have a pretty good stash of reloading components. Is that considered ammo? If so, how do you count it? Number of primers? Number of bullets? Number of pounds of powder divided by some arbitrary number of grains per round? In any case, I think your 12 trillion figure is too high by at least an order of magnitude. If we have 100 million gun owners, 12 trillion rounds would imply that the average gun owner has 120,000 rounds. Even I don't have that many.

We have close to 400 MILLION Firearms are in the Hands of 100 Million Gun Owners (1/3 of the US Population), 2+ Million in Active Military., it is suggested that almost 17% of All Americans have are of Ex Military. In 2008, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, there were 765,246 full-time police officers in the United States, roughly 251 police per 100,000 residents.
https://americangunfacts.com/ (This is using Data from before 2012, before civilian purchases really sky rocketed)
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-percentage-of-americans-have-served-in-the-military/
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has176250.000/has176250_0.HTM (Ammo purchased for Military)
https://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2016/07/24/how-many-police-are-there-in-the-united-states/ (has a well broke down look into this of Police)

With the Ex-President's signing of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) - a law that grants the U.S. military the "legal" right to conduct secret kidnappings of U.S. citizens, followed by indefinite detention, interrogation, torture and even murder. This is all conducted completely outside the protection of law, with no jury, no trial, no legal representation and not even any requirement that the government produce evidence against the accused. It is a system of outright government tyranny against the American people, and it effectively nullifies the Bill of Rights. This along with the Patriot and Freedom Acts,and Militarization of the Police Force shows you what direction this Country is heading....Keep some ammo on hand and train as much as possible.

The 12 Billion Rounds is a number being tossed in the air but your right @Rossum, the dont list how they got that figure or what constitutes "Round", whether purchased or homemade over what span of years. I like to have atleast 500rds for each Caliber I have, but much more of 22LR, 9mm, and 5.56 than anything else. I couldnt see owning much more than that,most likely will not use it all if a Hillary Scenario happened but I would help out others by handing some out.

Some interesting topics with sources...you know since most use "anonymous sources" today, which mean "made up"....
https://ammo.com/articles/gun-ownership-in-america
https://ammo.com/articles/tsa-airport-security-theater-guide
https://ammo.com/articles/gun-control-guide-major-state-acts
https://ammo.com/articles/gun-control-guide-major-federal-acts
https://ammo.com/articles/us-constitution-interactive

With some Time and Effort and a Understanding of what your looking for the FOIA can allow you to get the most up to date information.
https://ammo.com/articles/right-to-know-a-historical-guide-to-foia

 

[VAPEROXX]

I'm not sure where you got those numbers, but they are seriously flawed.

Chicago has a lot of murders, yes, but that's in part due to its huge population, and its murder rate (per 100,000 people) isn't exceptional at all. In fact there are a half dozen US cities with higher murder rates. St. Louis and Baltimore are currently at the top of that list. Both have murder rates more that double Chicago's.

There are a lot more than 3.3 million gun owners in the US. Heck, there are a fair number of individual States with more that 3.3 million gun owners each, and there are over 16 million people in the US with concealed carry permits. The number of gun owners in the US is generally estimated at 80 to 100 million.

As for the number of rounds of ammunition, that's really difficult to estimate. One could figure out how many rounds have been produced and sold over some period of time, but then one would have to subtract how many have been shot, and that's pretty much impossible to know. Then there's also the question of what constitutes ammo. I have a pretty good stash of reloading components. Is that considered ammo? If so, how do you count it? Number of primers? Number of bullets? Number of pounds of powder divided by some arbitrary number of grains per round? In any case, I think your 12 trillion figure is too high by at least an order of magnitude. If we have 100 million gun owners, 12 trillion rounds would imply that the average gun owner has 120,000 rounds. Even I don't have that many.

I wasn't quoting actual numbers...I was simply illustrating a point.

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[VAPEROXX]

The overarching point is: law abiding gun owners that are educated with their proper use and when that use becomes proper are not the problem here. Guns don't kill. People kill. All the accurate data and numbers in the world mean very little to the fact that bad guys will gave guns...of all types. And if we law abiding citizens aren't armed equally, and prepared equally to defend our persons and property; then civilized society as a whole goes to shit. Period.

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[VAPEROXX]

And as far as the claim on St. Louis; the murder rate is very high there per capita. That's why; as a Missouri native, I always take a gun to STL.

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[UncleRJ]

Guns dont kill people.

My wife's cooking does

 

[Rossum]

The 12 Billion Rounds is a number being tossed in the air but your right @Rossum, the dont list how they got that figure or what constitutes "Round", whether purchased or homemade over what span of years. I like to have atleast 500rds for each Caliber I have, but much more of 22LR, 9mm, and 5.56 than anything else. I couldnt see owning much more than that,most likely will not use it all if a Hillary Scenario happened but I would help out others by handing some out.

12 billion rounds might be a reasonable estimate. That works out to 120 rounds per gun owner, rather than 120,000.

 

[Rossum]

I wasn't quoting actual numbers...I was simply illustrating a point.

Using numbers that are off by that much detracts from the credibility of your illustration.

 

[raymo2u]

12 billion rounds might be a reasonable estimate. That works out to 120 rounds per gun owner, rather than 120,000.

I would put it up around 200 per person to make it more realistic but a conservative estimate is better for public perspective. Some of us hold a bit more than others though.

 

[Rossum]

Some of us hold a bit more than others though.

True, dat!

Then again, I know some "Fud" type hunters who probably have fewer than 50 rounds for their deer rifles, which are the only guns they own.

 

[raymo2u]

True, dat!

Then again, I know some "Fud" type hunters who probably have fewer than 50 rounds for their deer rifles, which are the only guns they own.

Yea, those types of "Firearm Owners" are part of the problem when defending Gun Rights, Ive seen many people say "You dont need a AR15" or "Why do you need a 30 Round Magazine" because they for whatever reason think 2A was for Hunting, which makes absolutely no sense. If you didnt hunt back then you didnt eat, they wouldnt have needed to added that as an amendment if that were the case. 2A says it well enough what it was for (Security of the Free State) and those Fud''s need to understand that all guns and gun parts matter, anything that gives any civilians a chance to fight the State or Defend the State and we have already lost so much due to that sort of mentality....luckily we've had some ingenious ideas to get a few of them back through other paths like AR Pistols/Braces (SBRs), Binary Triggers (Autos), and making shorty "firearms" like the Mossberg Shockwave/Remington Tac-14 (SBSs).

People like to think that Everyone would have Nukes and Explosives, Tanks, Blackhawks if there was no NFA or the other "controls" that were passed. Yet they dont realize that people can own Tanks that can fire right now....how many of those do you see rolling around shooting up the place? Nukes and other Hazardous Chemicals/Explosives are restricted through a variety of clauses, registries, statues, and directives so they wouldnt be in anyone's hands even if they could afford them (legally). No matter what legislation passes you have the Right to own any small arms you want, just dont let the Policy Enforcers know about it and keep it for when it will be needed, history tends to repeat itself and those who dont heed the warning will suffer the most.

 

[PoppaVic]

Yea, those types of "Firearm Owners" are part of the problem when defending Gun Rights, Ive seen many people say "You dont need a AR15" ...
:
... Nukes and other Hazardous Chemicals/Explosives are restricted through a variety of clauses, registries, statues, and directives so they wouldnt be in anyone's hands even if they could afford them (legally). No matter what legislation passes you have the Right to own any small arms you want, just dont let the Policy Enforcers know about it and keep it for when it will be needed, history tends to repeat itself and those who dont heed the warning will suffer the most.

Well, AR's are just funny. They'll be lying around for free all over. (Damned gopher-getters)

I don't see much of the NBC limitations helping all that much: they continue to (they say) "stop" Biochem and dirty-bomb "terrorists" - mostly, I think of all government as the terrorists - and mine is closer than most of the 'threats'.

 

[Rossum]

 

[raymo2u]

Considering that all Rifles combined killed 374 people last year I'd say almost anything you can see or touched has killed more people each year than your AR15, AR15's count for less then 30% of those deaths...How many thing do you know that have taken less than 100 lives across the Nation in one year? I love to point that out when people talk about how dangerous they are and the outrage there is about them....why not tell women they cant use Make-up anymore, or toothpicks? They both killed thousands more people than Rifles have every year...where is the outrage for those?

 

[DOAUSMC0331]

I have been carrying my Sig p365. It will hopefully be the last EDC I will ever have to biy

 

[raymo2u]

I have been carrying my Sig p365. It will hopefully be the last EDC I will ever have to biy

You know, B&T just made a new brace for the P320, I really hope they make one for the P365...would be the perfect "all in one"....I may get one for the G17

 

[IcepickMaker84]

My edc is an RIA m206 but I figure everyone needs a flamethrower...side note, my in-laws sold their property that I shoot on like a week after I bought this so it’s just been a shop beauty.



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[raymo2u]

Just an update...

Trump just passed the Bumpstock Ban that allows the ATF to redefine "Fire rate" which will allow any semi-automatic to be considered a "Machine gun". Every Semi-Auto is now on the plate for banning in the near future as the ATF now has been given the power to re-class any of them as "Machine Guns", if your firearm is semi-auto and is made after May 1986' then it has the possibility of being banned. This bill also gave way to the arbitrary banning of parts, accessories, and attachments for any reason. So expect that when a Democrat as power of a Town, City, State, or the Country - all your Semi-Auto's are now sitting on the chopping Block thanks to this legislation riding through...that was Backed both by the NRA and Trump.

The Second Amendment protects the First and with more and more infringements that target the average gun owner and not criminals it only points out that the Government is out for control over its population and not its best interest. Criminals dont spend thousands of dollars on new firearms, they dont buy high end 3d printers or cnc machines to machine/print out AR lowers, they dont spend hours and hundreds of dollars building their own guns, they dont spend $400 on bumpstocks and binary triggers. They steal firearms from family and friends, business's or get them from other gang members, usually pistols or older long rifles.

I find it insane that people push for gun control and say regulations and restrictions are lawful or even helpful. The Revolution was sparked off over gun control....2A was meant to be absolute, the people as armed as the state, and a "hands off" description to Government Officials....but they dont interpret it that way...our officials need to read the Federalist Papers and look into what the Founders thought and practiced. The supreme court should do the people a favor and do some research before signing anything that infringes a right of their citizenry. Government infringing on the only insurance policy the people have against Government is a Conflict of Interest...there shouldnt be any regulations as intended. The only people those regulations effect are the average citizen who has done nothing wrong, criminals dont follow the law and thats why after 130 years of increasing gun control and legislation/regulation/restrictions/taxing there has been no dramatic positive change. There is not a crime that you can commit with a firearm that is not a crime without the firearm, just about every gun law is unnecessary, if they want to punish criminals then penalties are whats called for....which would not effect those that obey the law.

2A should be Absolute as it was intended to be, let us hope that Gun Owners of America wins the Lawsuit they just filed. Please do not support the NRA and instead support GOA and JoinFPC.org

The NRA is the reason this legislation is even around, they proposed it and got officials to support it just like the Unconstitutional NICs System. They have given in so much of our Firearm Freedoms its asinine at this point in time would anyone who wants firearms give them any support.

They helped write up the NFA of 1934, they gave full support of the 1968 GCA and 1986 FOPA/Hughes Amendment - they told their supporters they would fight the Hughes Amendment tooth and nail to repeal it, after it passed they went dead silent.

They have supported and endorsed the majority of the legislation in the past decade (almost 300 Bills [State and Federal], all while claiming to be a gun rights organization. There has been more Gun Legislation passed under Republicans (Including Trump) than any Democrat...this I find very troubling. When Trump took office he told us that "The War on Gun Rights is Over" yet he has signed more legislation to destroy those rights than Obama who was labeled a 2A destroyer....Trump will not be getting a vote from me in 2020 unless he repeals the NFA or Hughes Amendment because that would be the only things that would save him at this point (for me anyway). Gun Rights are a good way to judge on how Civil Rights and Freedom will lay out when Politicians are in office, this isnt a good sign for the future with the way things are going so far...Trump has been around for 2 years and has done more damage than Obama in 8 years....whats to come?

They were against Open Carry Texas, calling it a distasteful and dangerous Movement...when Open Carry Texas won their Lawsuit the NRA took credit for the win. Please, if you do support the NRA - remove your funding and put it to a organization that actually cares for your rights and the Constitution.

 

[Rossum]

Please, if you do support the NRA - remove your funding and put it to a organization that actually cares for your rights and the Constitution.

Yep. I'm an NRA life member from way back when (Bill Clinton's first term), but ever since they ran Neal Knox out in 1997, my money has gone to Gun Owners of America and the Second Amendment Foundation.

 

[Rossum]

Very confusing:

 

[PoppaVic]

Not to me, (and it looks like the Simpsons). It's one of those Evil Orange-Man Guns!

 

[raymo2u]

Very confusing:

Reminds me of a Webley-Fosbery Landstad 1900 or the Dardick Model 1500...both funny and odd but I would give my left nut to own either.

 

[Rossum]

Reminds me of a Webley-Fosbery Landstad 1900 or the Dardick Model 1500...both funny and odd but I would give my left nut to own either.

I had no idea anything like that ever existed in real life.

 

[PoppaVic]

THe Dardick was cute ;-)

 

[NotNew2VapingNow]

I'll not bore y'all with tons of pictures...jsut a couple of my builds...and before any of y'all start flappin' your gums, yes, the supressors and SBR's all have tax stamps...I'm not a fan of being some dude's bitch in federal prison !

Built, not bought! 10/22 variant: only the magazines are Ruger...


Top: S&W M&P10; slightly customized
Bottom: Built 5.56; Started as a plain jane DPMS & upgraded basically everything


Top: Built Black Rain Ordnance SBR in .300 B/O with dedicated home-built can
Bottom: Built Aero Precision SBR in 7.62 X 51 with dedicated home-built can


Left: M&P 1522 in .22LR
right/bottom: Daughter's Pink AR I built for her..she now knows the problem of having pink (or any color) firearms....resale


Top: Remington 12 gauge; daughter's
Bottom: .300 B/O built on an F1 firearms "skeletonized" reciever set


Top: Built Tapco 5.56 SBR with home-built can
Bottom: S&W Model 1000 Police 12 Gauge Shotgun...I couldn't talk my dad out of it & all my daughter (at 14) had to do was to give him her "sad puppy dog eyes" & he folded like a wet noodle

 

[raymo2u]

and before any of y'all start flappin' your gums, yes, the supressors and SBR's all have tax stamps...I'm not a fan of being some dude's bitch in federal prison !


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Free men care not what Government thinks...nice rifles and cases!

 

[Rossum]

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

I have trouble seeing a S&W revolver, especially in stainless. I got injured badly in a car accident about eight years ago and had to sell my S&W 627 and my 629. So anytime I see a stainless it brings back bad memories of having to sell my favorite gun (the 627) and my first revolver (629). I feel a little ill just because some clown didn’t think he/she had to look before pulling out in front of me. Then didn’t think it necessary to stop to see if I survived my car flipping 3 and a half times before wrapping around a tree. Because of this clown I no longer own these works of art, poetry in motion, that is the S&W revolver. C’est la vie

 

[Izanagi7]

I think guns are a cool hobby if you can afford it and your state allows you to do target shooting on your property.

That said, the reality is that a whole lot of gun nuts don’t spend money on health insurance or a retirement savings plan or any investments for that matter, yet have no problem collecting cool guns and gun related products. The same can be said for car nuts. Probably also some vape nuts. Financial responsibility comes before hobbies, yo.


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[Rossum]

I think guns are a cool hobby if you can afford it and your state allows you to do target shooting on your property.

I understand that there are local laws that prohibit shooting in built-up areas, but I wasn't aware of of any states that prohibit it state-wide.

 

[Jenn F]

That looks like my Security Six!! Just one in my little collection!

 

[Izanagi7]

I understand that there are local laws that prohibit shooting in built-up areas, but I wasn't aware of of any states that prohibit it state-wide.

It’s actually illegal everywhere in the democratic people’s republic of Canada. In fact if you own a firearm other than a long rifle, you must be a member of a shooting range. And if a cop pulls you over when you’re on your way home with a handgun in the car, maybe you stopped at a corner store for some beer, that’s grounds for arrest. You can only carry handguns to your home or to a firing range. Anything else is pound you in the ass prison. Pardon my French.


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[Rossum]

It’s actually illegal everywhere in the democratic people’s republic of Canada. In fact if you own a firearm other than a long rifle, you must be a member of a shooting range. And if a cop pulls you over when you’re on your way home with a handgun in the car, maybe you stopped at a corner store for some beer, that’s grounds for arrest. You can only carry handguns to your home or to a firing range. Anything else is pound you in the ass prison. Pardon my French.

I guess I'm not surprised at that in Canada.

Back in 2006, my buddy and I rode our motorbikes across Canada. Entering at Niagara Falls, the only thing the very attractive border guard wanted to know was whether I was bringing in any guns. In fact, she played tricky:
Her: "Do you own any guns?"
Me: "Yes, I do." (never, ever lie to cops or border guards; they can smell it!)
Her: "What kind of guns do you own?"
Me: Started rattling off a list.
Her: "OK, did you bring any of them with you?"
Me: "No, of course not; I know they're not welcome in your country."
Her: "Welcome to Canada."

 

[raymo2u]

It’s actually illegal everywhere in the democratic people’s republic of Canada. In fact if you own a firearm other than a long rifle, you must be a member of a shooting range. And if a cop pulls you over when you’re on your way home with a handgun in the car, maybe you stopped at a corner store for some beer, that’s grounds for arrest. You can only carry handguns to your home or to a firing range. Anything else is pound you in the ass prison. Pardon my French.


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Thank god I live in the free state of Vermont where Constitutional Carry is...If I wanted to I could carry my 10.5" AR Pistol with Armour Piercing Rounds, a suppressor, a vertical front grip, and a SBA3 brace and walk down to my local gas station and pick up a few cans of soda with no alarms raised - If a cop pulls up and asks me a question I have the right to refuse to speak to him and ask if I've committed a crime, if not Im allowed to leave (Ive yet to have this happen though).
The people here know me well and I provide services like pest control but we are used to seeing firearms in peoples hands so the stigma isnt there - this is the second largest city in Vermont so its not a small town either. People here understand that guns dont make a person and a person with intent to do harm WILL do harm regardless of law, and having more good people you know armed will keep them from acting out or solve the problem if it arises (for now anyway). We can shoot on our own property as much as we like, atleast 500ft from main roads and housing. Recently we had a few pointless regulations pass here that wont help anything other than criminalize the average citizen but the police have said they will not be enforcing the laws - because they also feel they are pointless and un-enforcable (Magazine restrictions with grandfather terms). Before May of this past year we only had the Federal Laws - no State Laws...and we were in the top 3 safest places to live in the USA, no crime or murder and yet one of the most armed states in the USA.

Its all about perspective and education. If people actually knew the real statistics for firearms and the media didnt plaster the screen for weeks on end with material of an individuals crime trying to push a message that firearms are the problem then we would not have the mess we live in today in terms of firearms. Imagine if the news only did one report per shooting....it would be far and few between and people wouldnt fear going outside and catching a stray bullet....but thats exactly what has been happening, every firearm crime is reported for weeks on end overlapping the next so there is almost always a firearm related crime on screen. Subconsciously this drives a message that "it never ends" and that the problem is very prominent.

This is something I use alot to drive the point: Do you fear that you will perish getting a physical by your doctor? An intense rage and emotional outburst in terror if you have to get a checkup? Most likely not as there isn't nonstop negative media to strike fear into your heart telling you that doctors kill more people than almost anything else around you. Now imagine if the news/media reported every death by a doctors hand every day (400+ reports per day, everyday, for a year) - for 2+ decades. People would then have that same immense fear over doctors. This is what has been done to firearms since the mid 1970's and for what ever reason the average gun owner receives the blame for a Individual's criminal actions.

Federal Governments have generalized their populations instead of local Governments being part of their community like they once did in the past. Loosing the thread which brought the idea to take care of each other and thats a dying breed today. People today look at their neighbors as if they are threats instead of someone to rely on putting us against each other instead of trying to bring us together...that is a scary thing and the fact that the minority gets to control what the majority says or does is not helping the situation.

You may be right with the life insurance/health insurance thing but health insurance here is provided and the hospitals cannot turn anyone away - you get help the day you go in and prescriptions are filled in minutes. I've seen the waiting times for Canada and I can understand the concern. Currency inflation and the spastastic direction of the Government is the reason I dont plan on the future, if things continue the way they have the past 20 years I see a large fight for the future, the US Dollar is being crippled every day and unless you own property/precious metals then you really have nothing to ensure that your future is secured as most currencies seem to be on the edge of collapse...this is another reason I buy firearms and ammo - they themselves are currency and would be one of the most sought after items if anything happened.

 

[Rossum]

 

[raymo2u]

Just wanted to sare some NEWS, it it Devastating and Depressing...but we must remain vigilant and fight it as much as we can...our Children and Children's Children depend on us fighting all of this. This is all stirring up blood pressure for many Patriots, myself included and I am looking for ways to create a mass communication app where meetings and news can be shared so we can stay more informed and rally the troops if (when) needed. Its a terrible thought but with the constant criminalizing of average citizens, while treasuring illegal aliens, tax increases, censorship, propaganda and more the line in the sand seems to be drawing nearer everyday.

Diane Feinstein just proposed the Assault Weapons Ban of 2019 which will essentially leave everyone with Pump Shotguns, Muzzle Loaders and Revolvers, Bolt Action Rifles but cannot hold more than 10 rounds, cant have detachable magazines, or threaded barrels or pistol grips. It also bans pistols that are over 50 ounces and pistol braces for the injured/physically disabled. Background checks for everything, no truly private sales or homemade firearms ammunition will go under strict regulation. We will in time become like the UK, with no means of making a stand once they start making decisions for us and our views/opinions will no longer matter....This needs to be stopped and this is not "over-dramatization" as it is seen through history by EVERY Government except ours (until now). This ban coupled with the Bumpstock Ban and Red Flag Laws will strip us clean of any chance we have, the other Civil Rights will fall afterwards - it needs to be taken very seriously.
https://gununiversity.com/assault-weapon-ban-of-2019/

Mark Rubio just proposed Nation Wide Red Flag Laws that will destroy Due Process and they dont even need evidence or proof to roll out a call to confiscate firearms and take your civil rights in the middle of the night now, which has resulted in deaths already. Those who are victims of these Red Flag Calls loose their rights and need to fight in a special court to get them back, which may take years and the costs are staggering.
https://freedomoutpost.com/national-red-flag-gun-laws-are-coming/

Status of State ‘Red Flag’ Laws Red flag law enacted (13 states, quickly sweeping up the rest.) - https://www.thetrace.org/2018/03/red-flag-laws-pending-bills-tracker-nra/
N.J. lawmakers approve 'red flag' law and other gun measures New Jersey already has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but Gov. Phil Murphy, a Democrat, has vowed to tighten them further by signing every piece of gun legislation that Republican ... So-called “red flag" laws that allow police to temporarily take guns from people deemed by a judge to pose a threat have drawn renewed attention after a (the known staged false flag) deadly shooting at a Florida high school last month, and New Jersey could be one of the states to adopt such a measure.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/n...jersey-debate-gun-control-measures/380374002/

Maryland Law Enforcement Goes to Confiscate Guns, Kills Gun Owner - Anne Arundel County police shot and killed 61-year-old Gary J. Willis while executing a firearm confiscation order under Maryland’s ‘red flag’ law.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ment-goes-to-confiscate-guns-kills-gun-owner/

After Parkland shooting, numbers of children hospitalized for mental health care jumped - The day after the (staged false flag) Parkland shooting, there were at least 177 ‘Baker Acts’ of children statewide. On Feb. 20, some 188. The 195 seen on Feb. 27 appears to be the peak, the university's numbers show.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/...ol-shooting-baker-act-law-20180427-story.html

Trying to Legislate YOUR 2nd Amendment Nationwide

Republican Majority Want Your Guns, Do not trust them. This is How We Are Set Up To Victims Of Crime, & Million Defy NJ Gun Law.

A New Bill Requires Social Media Passwords To Buy Guns, Renew Permit; Parenting Via GPS Ankle Monitors.

H.R. 5717: To authorize the Attorney General to make grants to States that have in place laws that authorize the seizure of firearms from dangerous Individuals, and for other purposes. (What are ‘other purposes’ Martial Law?)
SEC. 5. There is authorized to be appropriated $50,000,000 to carry out this Act for each of fiscal years 2019 through 2021.
SEC. 4. Requirements for firearm seizure law. (2) SEIZURE OF A FIREARM WITHOUT A WARRANT.— A law enforcement officer may seize a firearm from an individual who the law enforcement officer determines there is probable cause to believe is dangerous without obtaining a warrant under paragraph…- (Do you trust the Police to determine YOUR state of mind given how they fabricated shit all the time.)

The U.S. Department of State granted $133,000 to Michigan State University in support of research developing new technologies that advance arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament through the Verification Fund. (AVC)
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/map/index.htm

Now that the news is done I would like to share something important that many people dont seem to have a grasp of.
Everyone should check out this video done by Political Juice "The History of The Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

A well regulated Militia,
Richard Henry Lee: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.” (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)

James Madison: “A WELL REGULATED militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.” (1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789

"The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves, ... all men capable of bearing arms;" - Richard Henry Lee 1788

A Regulated Militia was anyone 18-40 that was capable with firearms.
Im Well Armed, Well Versed in Firearms, and I am one of the People (US Citizen)...therefore I am part of a Well Regulated Militia.

being necessary to the security of a free State
It says exactly what it was intended for, not for the defense of your home but the security of freedom within the "state" meaning Country. This encompasses the entire Country, not just a home or individual....

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms
The Right of the People, meaning every man, woman, and child has an Individual Right. Meaning that even if the majority of people demand to have their Rights taken by the Government I still have my Right, I never forfeited or gave consent for them to be taken and no one speaks for me. Even if Government wrote unlawful laws to diminish the Constitution those Rights are still mine as the Government does not have a higher claim of Authority over me than I do. Keep and Bear means on person or in hand, any and all arms* that exist. Arms meaning any weapon used for offense or defense.

shall not be infringed.
I shouldn't have to break this down but meaning zero restriction. No regulations, no restrictions, no taxes, that all bearable firearms/accessories/parts/ammunitions/destructive devices and all other weapons are to be free to own by the citizenry. No Government or Union/Group shall interfere/limit/restrict/touch on this Amendment in any degree/form, or manner. For the citizens will carry arms to keep the security of the free state, against all threats foreign or domestic.

Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243 (1846) is a Georgia Supreme Court ruling that a state law ban on handguns was an unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment. This was the first gun control measure to be overturned on Second Amendment grounds.[1]
"Nor is the right involved in this discussion less comprehensive or valuable: "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta!"

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson

"That whenever any form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness." -Declaration of Independence

 

[PoppaVic]

Actually, the low-end of Militia was 15, from what I read - which makes more sense, since that and earlier centuries typically had them 'adult' and working by around 14.

Get used to it, though - they are coming for us. Both left and right.

Unintended Consequences.

 

[raymo2u]

Actually, the low-end of Militia was 15, from what I read - which makes more sense, since that and earlier centuries typically had them 'adult' and working by around 14.

Get used to it, though - they are coming for us. Both left and right.

Unintended Consequences.

Correct but I was using the definition of "Adult Male" which typically refers to "Military Age Male" present time, 18-35. You are correct though, there were as young as 13 year old "Men" in some cases....

Funny we allow people as young as 15 to drive multiple thousand pound projectiles with no supervision on public roads surrounded by people with no safeguards without any question of responsibility or concern....but those same people cant own a firearm for the same dangerous reasons...They would like to lower the Voting age, which compared to Firearms and Driving is ever more dangerous as your not just effecting yourself and a small amount of people around you...you are affecting everyone the vote encompasses and are responsible for the decisions the winner makes, which can destroy millions of lives in some cases...

If anything - voting age should be raised to 30, a brain isnt fully developed for thinking until 25. 18-25 is when the brain matures in impulsive decisions and planning behavior...so being able to vote at 18 or younger puts the nation/community at risk....we wouldnt have alot of the issues we have today if we didnt have impulsive, short sighted, self centered, self absorbed people voting....I think the democrat party would just about vanish if that were the case though...but today the Republican Party doesnt seem to be any better and both geared to destroy the Constitution and what it stands for.

 

[PoppaVic]

Well, it's similar with the nonsense about "jobs no one else wants" - that's where we damned well started out as teens, too. We tended to loath them, didn't last long in any of them: but they paid for the gas and spare used-tires.

This country is circling the drain too fast to believe - but it's been building for years.

 

[Rossum]

Diane Feinstein just proposed the Assault Weapons Ban of 2019

DiFi has introduced an AWB in every new Congressional session for as long as I can remember. There's some chance it might pass the House, but it isn't going anywhere in the Senate and Trump wouldn't sign it if it did. Two years from now, that might be different, but I'm cautiously optimistic that it won't be.

homemade firearms ammunition will go under strict regulation.

Got a reference/cite for that?

The Red Flag Laws are outrageous and probably the most immediate thing we should concern ourselves with.

 

[susieqz]

i shoot bulls eye at 25 n 50 yards with this.
good for rattlers n evil bunnies too.

 

[raymo2u]

DiFi has introduced an AWB in every new Congressional session for as long as I can remember. There's some chance it might pass the House, but it isn't going anywhere in the Senate and Trump wouldn't sign it if it did. Two years from now, that might be different, but I'm cautiously optimistic that it won't be.


Got a reference/cite for that?

The Red Flag Laws are outrageous and probably the most immediate thing we should concern ourselves with.

After the Bumpstock Ban and Trumps support for the Red Flag Laws...it has me concerned...before that I wouldn't have second guessed it flopping. The scary thing is it could be plausible if a "deal" is bartered for the Wall.

The Homemade Firearms and Ammunition comment seems to be removed from the article but in the article was a link to certain California regulations implemented that were also going to be proposed alongside or in combination with the Assault Weapons Ban at a National Level. California Ammunition Law and other Registration Requirements, Ill see if I can find a archived link. However, I dont believe that these will pass but I do have a worry about the National Red Flag Laws and the AWB 2019...unless the Wall gets built immediately. or through National Security/Emergency.

 

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[akpostal]

My favorite way to annoy my neighbors.

 

[IcepickMaker84]

My favorite way to annoy my neighbors.

Nice! Is buying one of those launchers the same as buying any other firearm?


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[akpostal]

Nice! Is buying one of those launchers the same as buying any other firearm?


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Not considered firearms unless you plan on making it a DD, they are signaling devices. I might form the 12" launcher as a DD.

I shorted the lifting charge on these, full powder will launch them passed the driveway down there on the right.

 

[akpostal]

The Shockwaves