Loved One's Vaping Issue

[trecenters]

So I have been vaping around 2 years now and have been away from cigs. I am not even tempted when I see one at all anymore. The problem is my wife is still on that pack-a-day routine.

I started with Blu Cigs cartomizer and she tried to do that also. In the process of vaping BLUs for a week she developed pneumonia and said never again.

Maybe a year down the road I had graduated Clearomizer then to a Atomizer. I wasn't convinced that the pneumonia wasn't just a coincidence or maybe the BLUs were just made out of bad stuff "well we know the BLUs are nasty".

We were on Vaca. and going to stay in a Hotel so I had her go down to a shop to get her an Atomizer. She picked some flavors and tried some different vg/pg ratios.

She vaped for about two days while on vacation and developed a bad wet cough and felt like she couldn't breathe. It took a few days for her to get over and now back to Misty 120 Menthols for the past two years again.


Now I am not sure what to do. I really hate to have her try again and have the same issues"if she even will this time".

I have had people tell me that some people just go though this wet couching stage when switching from dry smoke to wet vapor and the only way is to just stick with it.

I have had other people say it could be PG allergies.

Then other people say Nicotine allergies..

Is there VG allergies?



So really I know the only way is for her to try again. Do we have anyone that knows a best method for this situation?



She can't do patches because the adhesive breaks her out. She breaks out from band-aids even. Then Chantex gives her really bad nightmares. She has cut down before to one or two cigs a day, but life things happen and the higher the anxiety the more cigs are smoked.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Tre

 

[PuffPuffPass]

Tough call here. It could be related to anything, even a combination of things. But your wife has had 2 strikes.

A wet cough is normal for some, especially with the high VG. I get it occasionally, but it quickly passes. High PG causes itching for me.

I have no real advise for you. Other than to allow your wife to continue as she feels comfortable.

 

[eSMOKA]

Hate to say it but sometimes the answer stares you right in the face and you don't see it (usually because you don't want to).

Sounds to me like she needs to get off the cigs cold turnkey and not vape or else just continue to smoke.

If she quits cigs, this could mean that you need to get off the e-cigs, too.

Pneumonia isn't something to play with.

Hmmm, I also wonder if maybe it is merely the absence of smoke. Maybe she should try quitting cold turkey for a few days to see what happens. Never know.

 

[pulsevape]

Pg allergy or even PG sensitivity is not that uncommon...VG allergy is rare ,but yes there are people who seem to have an allergic reaction to VG, though it could be because of what the VG is dervied from I've heard of people that have reactions to soy based VG, but are fine with coconut based VG.

 

[Huckleberried]

Personally, I can't vape high VG. Even at 30% it can be a bit too much for me. I develop symptoms similar to what your wife was experiencing.

I also wonder if maybe it is merely the absence of smoke.

And then, there's that^^^^^^^. A lot of people go through a transitional stage when they put down cigarettes. Your body can go through all kinds of stuff when withdrawing from cigs. It's not just nicotine and the delivery. There's a ton of chemicals that the body can withdraw from. I went through a lot of weirdness when I stopped smoking cigarettes. Temporary, but weird.

Of course, there's always the possibility that vaping may not work for her.

 

[trecenters]

@Huckleberried

What ratio do you vape then?

I let her try my 70/30 and she said it was harsh.

So I went and mixed a 95/5 since I have no VG flavor. Her eyes lit up at how much smoother it is.

So when you vape VG does it instantly make you cough or it gives you chest tightness? Have you tried other VG types?

 

[trecenters]

Sounds to me like she needs to get off the cigs cold turnkey and not vape or else just continue to smoke.
.

I would like to be little more optimistic then to jump to that conclusion when all she has done is tried a 50/50. Especially when it is her that is interested in trying a different ratio. Scared but interested.

 

[BigNasty]

what atty was she using?

 

[trecenters]

Pg allergy or even PG sensitivity is not that uncommon...VG allergy is rare ,but yes there are people who seem to have an allergic reaction to VG, though it could be because of what the VG is dervied from I've heard of people that have reactions to soy based VG, but are fine with coconut based VG.

Good point, I really wish she hadn't tryed anything before hand. Everything previous was all mixes where I have no idea what the B&M nor what BluCigs used. At least now I can help her by controlling the mixture all the way to VG flavors & Nic even if needed. None of this "Max VG" guessing.

 

[OBDave]

VG sensitivity usually manifests in the form of heaviness in the chest, and that cough could be a sign of it. But there's also the fact that lots of us hacked for a few weeks after quitting - for me it was twice as bad as the morning routine I was used to as a smoker, but then it cleared up and never came back.

fat fingered flubs courtesy dumb mobile phone

 

[trecenters]

what atty was she using?

Blu Cigs Cardo the first time then Kanger Aerotank.

 

[BigNasty]

She could also be sensitive to the silica or poly fill they use, possible nickle allergy also.

 

[Huckleberried]

What ratio do you vape then?

80PG/20VG is what works best for me. I can tolerate 30VG, but not nearly as well. I've purchased VG from different vendors, but I've not noticed any difference. Dave described what I get... coughing, tight chest, winded easily kind of feeling.

 

[trecenters]

After reading up on pneumonia and VG/PG it seems to me that vg/pg is not something that would cause pneumonia

I would lean more towards that stopping smoking would cause tar and other particles to be released by the lungs "hence most people coughing". After releasing the particles you have new lung cells with lower immunity exposed to air making them more susceptible to infection.

VG/PG are absorbed from what I read. PG even used in inhalers.

The researchers also found that "the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would--within a few seconds--kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot."

I remember coughing up Lung Butter for months and months when I started vaping. Now it is very seldom. I would love to get an x-ray at this point and see a comparison. I was 30 and the Doctor said my lungs were the equivalent to a normal 60 year old's lungs. That is when I kind of flipped out and vaped no matter how much I hated it. Hated vaping due to some of these B&M's setting people up with crap devices and flavors. I am just happy that I can set her up with the best of the best.

I may even get a UV Sanitizer to minimize bacteria. I guess with all things considered anyone should wear a mask in public when going through that transition.

Stopping the vaping in the middle of the transition is probably the worse thing to do based on the research I ran across.

 

[Barbara E.]

Personally, I would bet a lot of money that the pneumonia was simple coincidence. I see this all the time - I'm a RN - patients blame all sorts of things of making them sick (cold/rainy weather, what they ate for dinner, etc. etc.) It's human nature to see patterns where there aren't any.

As to the cough that developed, that might actually be good. Human breathing passages are lined with cilia (little hair-like projections) that work to sweep up 'bad stuff' from our lungs to our mouth/nose (where we cough/sneeze it out). Smoking paralyzes/kills those cilia. If a smoker switches to vaping, those cilia start regenerating and doing their job - which can make people who didn't have a cough develop one. The cough generally lasts a week or two or up to a couple of months but it does go away.

 

[AmandaD]

I had the same experience as Huck for perhaps the first 18 months of vaping, and I couldn't tolerate high VG at all. In the past 6 months my lungs must have recovered from their 40 years of smoking, and I can now vape max VG with no problems (generally).

I do agree with Barbara E. that the pneumonia was most likely coincidence.

 

[trecenters]

I spent a Benjamin on getting a setup for her. Purple Snow Wolf Mini with a Purple Steamboat RDA. I did a 28ga 0.8ohm coil @ 32W and she said it was way too hot. I took a coil out and she was ok at 1.6ohm @ 16W

Spyglass vapor sent me their line of juice which is amazing of them. I will have her use that to see what she likes. I owe them a review for that. She tried the Buccaneer Fruity Rum vape 6mg @ 90vg

She was coughing a lot and unable to inhale much smoke at all last night. I noticed she headed to the back room without it and lit up a cig an hour later. I couldn't blame her.

Today, I was delighted when she called me and was extremely excited. She told me that she took it with her on a smoke break and is now able to take in a lung full of smoke with no issue, no coughing, and no breathing issues. She said it was wonderful the amount of vapor she is able to take in now. She said no device before this ever felt like smoking because of the small amount of vapor and the irritation that came along with it.

I am really happy for her and I find it hilarious that I was worried that 75W would not be enough to start with. I didn't realize I started out on lower then 10W and gradually went up over two years. Not having a 70W now for me is not a good device. So I could have went with an older DNA30 for her instead of a TC 75W. At least she has a device that will go up in watts if she decides to.

 

[AmandaD]

I spent a Benjamin on getting a setup for her. Purple Snow Wolf Mini with a Purple Steamboat RDA. I did a 28ga 0.8ohm coil @ 32W and she said it was way too hot. I took a coil out and she was ok at 1.6ohm @ 16W

Spyglass vapor sent me their line of juice which is amazing of them. I will have her use that to see what she likes. I owe them a review for that. She tried the Buccaneer Fruity Rum vape 6mg @ 90vg

She was coughing a lot and unable to inhale much smoke at all last night. I noticed she headed to the back room without it and lit up a cig an hour later. I couldn't blame her.

Today, I was delighted when she called me and was extremely excited. She told me that she took it with her on a smoke break and is now able to take in a lung full of smoke with no issue, no coughing, and no breathing issues. She said it was wonderful the amount of vapor she is able to take in now. She said no device before this ever felt like smoking because of the small amount of vapor and the irritation that came along with it.

I am really happy for her and I find it hilarious that I was worried that 75W would not be enough to start with. I didn't realize I started out on lower then 10W and gradually went up over two years. Not having a 70W now for me is not a good device. So I could have went with an older DNA30 for her instead of a TC 75W. At least she has a device that will go up in watts if she decides to.

Great news!

 

[pitbullpup]

awesome news... it only gets better from here

 

[goingcrazy614]

For me, PG is harsh and irritates my throat. I started out smoking and vaping for the first couple of weeks to ease the change over.

 

[stevegmu]

Maybe consult a doctor, rather than rely on vaping myths for health information...

 

[trecenters]

Maybe consult a doctor, rather than rely on vaping myths for health information...

That is just as good as rolling a set of dice. Depending if the doctor is pro or anti vape.

I have had doctors tell me ecigs are terrible and other doctors say they are one of the best ways to quit smoking.


I have seen several doctors misdiagnose people over and over. That includes me and my family. Several times we have figured out a correct diagnosis from the internet.

I would rather hear real world results.. If people tell me facts about their experiences then it isn't a myth. Especially when they can tell me to try max vg, I do, and it works. Especially when you find out that pg is an germacide. Especially when you hear about that people who quit cold turkey have had the same issues with pneumonia from new " low immunity" cells being exposed.

Most doctors I have talked to don't know what ejuice is made from.

So far the info from this thread has been spot on.

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[stevegmu]

If you say so... I'd point out a number of myths stated in this thread, but you will believe what you will believe...

 

[trecenters]

If you say so... I'd point out a number of myths stated in this thread, but you will believe what you will believe...

Not sure what myths you are pointing out especially when you apparently didn't even read the thread. If you had you would have known she is no longer having issues and is able to vape without issue. What is the need in consulting anyone if there is no longer an issue.

Good job trying to make everyone sound like idiots though.

 

[OBDave]

Not sure what myths you are pointing out especially when you apparently didn't even read the thread. If you had you would have known she is no longer having issues and is able to vape without issue. What is the need in consulting anyone if there is no longer an issue.

Good job trying to make everyone sound like idiots though.

I see you've met our resident troll, of the common bridge-overpass-dwelling variety. The vast majority of his posts, you'll notice, are contrarian to the popular direction in which a thread is heading, often just for the sake of sowing discontent. Many will also focus on physical appearance insults or personal attacks on the disabled.

This site was created to give freedom of speech to vapers, many of whom choose to use it while a few exist only to abuse that privilege. Your new friend knows exactly how detrimental to the overall user experience here at VU he's allowed to be before running afoul of our rules, and he'd love to see if he can coax you into crossing the line he lives at the very edge of. We have a handy "ignore" feature that can be accessed by left-clicking once on the name of any user you find troublesome - it's effectively giving you the option to "ban" that person from participating in your forum experience.

 

[stevegmu]

Not sure what myths you are pointing out especially when you apparently didn't even read the thread. If you had you would have known she is no longer having issues and is able to vape without issue. What is the need in consulting anyone if there is no longer an issue.

Good job trying to make everyone sound like idiots though.

Many of them are...

 

[tr1age]

This is really great news! I am glad you found her something that worked. There isn't an exact science to this. For instance I was a smoker for 15 years and I dislike the mouth to lung hitters. I actually prefer the direct to lung now. It is crazy how things change. I was also HIGHLY allergic to high doses of PG throat closures, rashes, diarrhea. Oh yeah you name it I got it. So I stopped. Then i found a nice mixture and I am a happy camper. Still working out kinks with my princess stomach but we are out there and we are here to help, if not only through our own experiences!

 

[trecenters]

This is really great news! I am glad you found her something that worked. There isn't an exact science to this. For instance I was a smoker for 15 years and I dislike the mouth to lung hitters. I actually prefer the direct to lung now. It is crazy how things change. I was also HIGHLY allergic to high doses of PG throat closures, rashes, diarrhea. Oh yeah you name it I got it. So I stopped. Then i found a nice mixture and I am a happy camper. Still working out kinks with my princess stomach but we are out there and we are here to help, if not only through our own experiences!

Well at least you found a good medium. That is great to hear. I would hate for anyone to be denied a smoking habit cure. I can't believe that anyone is even thinking of regulations.

They need to realize people will not stop vaping even if they could make it illegal.

 

[marilyngurl22]

When I quit smoking (two of the many times) I got walking pneumonia. The other two times I didn't. So, it could just be that. BUT when I started vaping (just a month ago) I tried a high VG because I liked the hit better and I noticed that heaviness in my chest you mentioned. I stopped using that brand (can't recall but an organic PG free one) and tried a new brand at 70/30 and it got better. But I've learned that PG gives me a wicked headache so I tried a different brand of PG free (open source vapor) and haven't had that issue at all. They thin theirs down so I think that helped me. Not sure if it's a good thing that it's thinned but I like it. I am noticing that with one of the two flavors I tried I get a pounding heart (I'm going to post about that soon to see what's up) so I'm learning that for me, there's going to be a fine line between good and bad. I agree that maybe she should try to quit cold turkey and see what her lungs do. Then if she doesn't have a problem, you can re-evaluate.

 

[trecenters]

I sent you a PM Marilyn. I hope you figure it out.

 

[Woodsman]

If you're in the mood to part with about fifteen bucks, try a small bottle of Velvet Cloud Mount Shasta Frost. The menthol hit is memorable.