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You are giving yourself standardized limitations, this my friend is one way to keep you in a box. Risks and errors are a part of growing and you have the skill set. The motivation, willpower, and faith to break those standards is all you need now. Trust me, much of the time I make something I dont get it right on the first try, especially with the experimental stuff....You will surprise yourself as you continue, experiment, and go out of your comfort zone....finding ways to make your prep/building faster will give you more time leniency....but dont hold yourself back thinking your not good enough or that your inferior in any way to anyone else here...everyone in this thread is more than capable.

*If needed, I can fly out to your location and beat you into thinking you can do it.*
I highly suggest to everybody copy this post and maybe print it to or write it to paper and put it near your build station and make sure you read it before every single build session. I know myself it will make so big of a difference like Raymo said you will have your jaws dropped to the floor kinda of effect what you just did when you say to yourself it's possible every single day.
 

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what have you failed at 46? ill admit that i have only done little aliens with it (36/46 and 32/46) and that might be why it feels easier than i thought it would. i have only gone up to 42 for larger/more complex builds like alien framed staples and stuff...
I haven't been able to do anything at all with it other than straight fuse Fused claps and framed staples. I did get about an inch of 2 core 32/46 SFC just fooling around one night. But the only thing I've given a good hard shot at was some 3 core aliens. Maybe 5 or 6 attempts. The problem is my fuse tension. My hands are shaky and it's hard for me to grip at a consistent tension. I get little twitches/spasms that cause my fingers to act up. Not even anything you can see happening. But a tiny little pinch with decored 46 means a mess lol. I can see the path to victory, but my body just wont cooperate for long enough. I'll continue to try and look for different techniques to subvert my physical shortcomings. But, if I can't ever get it I'll be ok with that. Cause I know it's a limitation of my body not my mind or willpower :D
 

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You are giving yourself standardized limitations, this my friend is one way to keep you in a box. Risks and errors are a part of growing and you have the skill set. The motivation, willpower, and faith to break those standards is all you need now. Trust me, much of the time I make something I dont get it right on the first try, especially with the experimental stuff....You will surprise yourself as you continue, experiment, and go out of your comfort zone....finding ways to make your prep/building faster will give you more time leniency....but dont hold yourself back thinking your not good enough or that your inferior in any way to anyone else here...everyone in this thread is more than capable.

*If needed, I can fly out to your location and beat you into thinking you can do it.*

Hey Raymo. You mentioned some things that make sense on a number of different levels and you gave me some perspective that is really encouraging. I think about the things you mentioned like motivation and will power and I can relate those terms to several interesting things I have accomplished in my life. My parents came over from Russia before I was born and my father brought me up on wrestling. In his day he was an Olympic alternate for the Russian freestyle team. He taught me wrestling inside and out at a very young age and, determined to make him proud, I did every single thing I could to be the best wrestler I could be, even though I had school and a social life to compete with wrestling time wise. I won my state championship in Greco Roman by the time I was 17.

Wrestling earned me a scholarship to a Division 1 school and paid for my education, which I would not have been able to afford without a scholarship. I remember him being so hard on me when I was younger. One time he was furious because I won a match, but I did not stick to my technique to win because my opponent wasn't very good. It was hard to find good guys in the Heavyweight division. He explained to me that simply overpowering my opponent wasn't going to be enough when it came to higher caliber wrestlers and he was right. Every day after that I always attempted to execute with the best technique I could regardless of who I was matched up with in the matches or tournaments.

My whole point is that if I think of myself as a person of limited talent in building than you are right in the sense that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. I have to believe I am capable of being better, put myself outside of my comfort zone like you said, and have the will power to make the time I do have to build count. If I can manage to do that, than I will continue to get better just as I did in wrestling. You know you were kind to even read my post and take the time out to give me the lesson, so to speak, that I needed to hear. When a person of your ability, who commands my admiration for your discipline and ability, takes the time to even acknowledge that I have a skill set, it's a tremendous thing in terms of encouragement. Thanks for the perspective and thank you to referring to standardized limitations to help me understand your message. I appreciate you.:cheers:
 

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Hey Raymo. You mentioned some things that make sense on a number of different levels and you gave me some perspective that is really encouraging. I think about the things you mentioned like motivation and will power and I can relate those terms to several interesting things I have accomplished in my life. My parents came over from Russia before I was born and my father brought me up on wrestling. In his day he was an Olympic alternate for the Russian freestyle team. He taught me wrestling inside and out at a very young age and, determined to make him proud, I did every single thing I could to be the best wrestler I could be, even though I had school and a social life to compete with wrestling time wise. I won my state championship in Greco Roman by the time I was 17.

Wrestling earned me a scholarship to a Division 1 school and paid for my education, which I would not have been able to afford without a scholarship. I remember him being so hard on me when I was younger. One time he was furious because I won a match, but I did not stick to my technique to win because my opponent wasn't very good. It was hard to find good guys in the Heavyweight division. He explained to me that simply overpowering my opponent wasn't going to be enough when it came to higher caliber wrestlers and he was right. Every day after that I always attempted to execute with the best technique I could regardless of who I was matched up with in the matches or tournaments.

My whole point is that if I think of myself as a person of limited talent in building than you are right in the sense that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. I have to believe I am capable of being better, put myself outside of my comfort zone like you said, and have the will power to make the time I do have to build count. If I can manage to do that, than I will continue to get better just as I did in wrestling. You know you were kind to even read my post and take the time out to give me the lesson, so to speak, that I needed to hear. When a person of your ability, who commands my admiration for your discipline and ability, takes the time to even acknowledge that I have a skill set, it's a tremendous thing in terms of encouragement. Thanks for the perspective and thank you to referring to standardized limitations to help me understand your message. I appreciate you.:cheers:

"Treat others the way you wish to be treated, this is something that I feel should ring through every persons mind".
Remember I started here, I care about the community, and I like seeing others ;earning things and succeeding.....Its a good source of positivity. We all can benefit from a change in perspective with substance.

Im just like everyone else here, no more special, no more talented....I may have a higher drive to succeed in certain aspects but nothing I have done is out of reach of anyone else. Most skills are learned, honed over time and the drive of motivation and success will work for anyone who wants to put in the effort. I see alot of people around me (usually family members) who wont even bother to try do something themselves, like learning basic computer functions/putting a stereo together/rewicking coils (cant imagine who this is :D:D). The only thing holding them back form doing any of these is not a handicap of talent or of the mind, but a handicap of effort and understanding.

People tend to choose not to do new things or having others do things for them when they decide not to try something the first time with real effort. This becomes a habit and they start to subconsciously talk themselves down, which makes it a self fulfilling prophecy as you said. The way out is to shed those regressive tenancies and attempt it, fail a few times, and get past it. Once the cycle is broken you have a fresh path with a new style of thought....

Watch the Movie "Yes Man", it reflects on this really well. :vino:
 

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I haven't been able to do anything at all with it other than straight fuse Fused claps and framed staples. I did get about an inch of 2 core 32/46 SFC just fooling around one night. But the only thing I've given a good hard shot at was some 3 core aliens. Maybe 5 or 6 attempts. The problem is my fuse tension. My hands are shaky and it's hard for me to grip at a consistent tension. I get little twitches/spasms that cause my fingers to act up. Not even anything you can see happening. But a tiny little pinch with decored 46 means a mess lol. I can see the path to victory, but my body just wont cooperate for long enough. I'll continue to try and look for different techniques to subvert my physical shortcomings. But, if I can't ever get it I'll be ok with that. Cause I know it's a limitation of my body not my mind or willpower :D

I have minor issues with my hands also, but you will learn to work with what you have. I cannot speak for you but I can speak on my case of Tendinitis from years of keyboarding with my wrists holding my weight as the table was lower than my knees and I sat there 10+ hours a day like that....now my hands swell up if I put a good build day in to twice their size, you can barely make out my knuckles and I lose sensation around the tips of my fingers making it hard to feel if Im touching wire or not (especially 44g+). Find ways around using your hands unless you have to, use spool tamers and clamps for making decores, resting your hands on your knees when paraclapping or fusing as much as you can. This way the movements of your hands are restricted and use potato chip clips to pinch the wire for paraclap so all you have to do it hold and guide the wire.
 

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I have minor issues with my hands also, but you will learn to work with what you have. I cannot speak for you but I can speak on my case of Tendinitis from years of keyboarding with my wrists holding my weight as the table was lower than my knees and I sat there 10+ hours a day like that....now my hands swell up if I put a good build day in to twice their size, you can barely make out my knuckles and I lose sensation around the tips of my fingers making it hard to feel if Im touching wire or not (especially 44g+). Find ways around using your hands unless you have to, use spool tamers and clamps for making decores, resting your hands on your knees when paraclapping or fusing as much as you can. This way the movements of your hands are restricted and use potato chip clips to pinch the wire for paraclap so all you have to do it hold and guide the wire.
Yah I've found ways to deal with a lot of problems with things like you mentioned. Aliens are where the problem really shines for me since you don't really have any options but to pinch and guide. Even with a perfect stretch you still have to have some way to hold the wire in a way that doesn't deform it. I've gotten around this issue up to this point with clean hands and juice on the fingers. But even that isn't quite enough with the 46 decores so far. Would love some ideas if you got any?!?
 

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I haven't been able to do anything at all with it other than straight fuse Fused claps and framed staples. I did get about an inch of 2 core 32/46 SFC just fooling around one night. But the only thing I've given a good hard shot at was some 3 core aliens. Maybe 5 or 6 attempts. The problem is my fuse tension. My hands are shaky and it's hard for me to grip at a consistent tension. I get little twitches/spasms that cause my fingers to act up. Not even anything you can see happening. But a tiny little pinch with decored 46 means a mess lol. I can see the path to victory, but my body just wont cooperate for long enough. I'll continue to try and look for different techniques to subvert my physical shortcomings. But, if I can't ever get it I'll be ok with that. Cause I know it's a limitation of my body not my mind or willpower :D
you are doing great for a guy with shaky hands dude :cheers: when i do them, my grip changes as my wrap gauge goes higher. with lower gauges (< 40) i tend to hold the decore like i would hold the wire for claptons (between my thumb/index) and apply tension there...when i go > 40, i find myself settling into a 'sabre grip' on the decore. i dont actually apply tension to anything by squeezing it between two parts of my hand/fingers, but there are a lot of points of contact between the decore and my hand as it passes through. you can angle your hand so that the wire has an easier/harder time slipping through. it just slides over my index, and the angle i hold my hand (the point of your 'sabre' to the sky) will determine how much it stretches as it does. i usually stretch from 50-75% on >40 decores and the rest just happens as a result of that angle and the speed of the drill pulling on it.

i know our hands (and everything else) are different, but it always helps me a lot to 'think things through' with the builders here, so i present you with all the information and observations i made :cheers: anyone else doing 40+ aliens got any thoughts on the matter?

great posts @raymo2u <3 the build gods often seem cruel with their 'lessons', but i think you summarized what they actually mean to teach us quite nicely :cheers:
 

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But even that isn't quite enough with the 46 decores so far. Would love some ideas if you got any?!?
Yea, dont make 46g aliens ;):p

I would do the same except I wouldnt advocate for equid as its too viscous, try sanding your fingers tips smooth with some 2000-3000 grit sand paper and then baby powder them (or that chalk stuff for pool). Dry lubricant will last longer and wont add tension.
 

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you are doing great for a guy with shaky hands dude :cheers: when i do them, my grip changes as my wrap gauge goes higher. with lower gauges (< 40) i tend to hold the decore like i would hold the wire for claptons (between my thumb/index) and apply tension there...when i go > 40, i find myself settling into a 'sabre grip' on the decore. i dont actually apply tension to anything by squeezing it between two parts of my hand/fingers, but there are a lot of points of contact between the decore and my hand as it passes through. you can angle your hand so that the wire has an easier/harder time slipping through. it just slides over my index, and the angle i hold my hand (the point of your 'sabre' to the sky) will determine how much it stretches as it does. i usually stretch from 50-75% on >40 decores and the rest just happens as a result of that angle and the speed of the drill pulling on it.

i know our hands (and everything else) are different, but it always helps me a lot to 'think things through' with the builders here, so i present you with all the information and observations i made :cheers: anyone else doing 40+ aliens got any thoughts on the matter?

great posts @raymo2u <3 the build gods often seem cruel with their 'lessons', but i think you summarized what they actually mean to teach us quite nicely :cheers:
Well the whole story is - I don't really have "shaky" hands. I have severe upper back issues that cause unsteady hands and spasms and twitches and fatigue in my arms and hands, mostly on the right side. I've considered swapping build hands, but I think that will be even worse since that would mean my right arm is up all the time on the drill. To counter that would be a foot peddle, which I haven't researched yet. As far as your 'sabre grip' I'm not sure I understand completely. Could you get a shot of it for me? :D

Yea, dont make 46g aliens ;):p

I would do the same except I wouldnt advocate for equid as its too viscous, try sanding your fingers tips smooth with some 2000-3000 grit sand paper and then baby powder them (or that chalk stuff for pool). Dry lubricant will last longer and wont add tension.
lol Yah I'm not ready to give up on the aliens yet. I hadn't considered hand chalk!!! Definitely have to give it a try :D
 

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As far as your 'sabre grip' I'm not sure I understand completely. Could you get a shot of it for me?
its the way you hold a knife so its pointing forward when you extend your hand (as opposed to an 'icepick' grip, which is similar to a kid holding a crayon in his fist). heres a couple pics with a big white string for visibility....

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there are a lot of points of contact that you can adjust just by moving your hand around. normally the rest of my fingers would be more relaxed/closed (but still opened enough that you could slip a hammer or similar object into my hand), but i am holding them opened here so i can take a pic of whats going on with the string...basically, the downward tension created by the meaty base of my thumb and the upward tension on my index finger is enough to hold the decore steady without having to actually hold it. you can kinda just adjust your hand in a way that it slides through easier or harder, but there is nothing actually holding the wire. if i turned my hand to the wrong angle it would just fall out. its all feel, like some kind of kung-fu death touch training....
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its the way you hold a knife so its pointing forward when you extend your hand (as opposed to an 'icepick' grip, which is similar to a kid holding a crayon in his fist). heres a couple pics with a big white string for visibility....

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there are a lot of points of contact that you can adjust just by moving your hand around. normally the rest of my fingers would be more relaxed/closed (but still opened enough that you could slip a hammer or similar object into my hand), but i am holding them opened here so i can take a pic of whats going on with the string...basically, the downward tension created by the meaty base of my thumb and the upward tension on my index finger is enough to hold the decore steady without having to actually hold it. you can kinda just adjust your hand in a way that it slides through easier or harder, but there is nothing actually holding the wire. if i turned my hand to the wrong angle it would just fall out. its all feel, like some kind of kung-fu death touch training....
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Whoa, I wanna try that

I sometimes use the little triangle of my thumb over an inside knuckle, whichever inside knuckle is smoother at the time

That's the easiest way for me to keep everything the same - make a little tunnel
 

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Whoa, I wanna try that

I sometimes use the little triangle of my thumb over an inside knuckle, whichever inside knuckle is smoother at the time

That's the easiest way for me to keep everything the same - make a little tunnel
thats what i like to do too, but i am not gentle enough to do it passed 40 or 42 gauge :sad:
That's how I do up to 40. 42 and up I lube up my index and thumb and let the decore slide up between them.
its the way you hold a knife so its pointing forward when you extend your hand (as opposed to an 'icepick' grip, which is similar to a kid holding a crayon in his fist). heres a couple pics with a big white string for visibility....

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there are a lot of points of contact that you can adjust just by moving your hand around. normally the rest of my fingers would be more relaxed/closed (but still opened enough that you could slip a hammer or similar object into my hand), but i am holding them opened here so i can take a pic of whats going on with the string...basically, the downward tension created by the meaty base of my thumb and the upward tension on my index finger is enough to hold the decore steady without having to actually hold it. you can kinda just adjust your hand in a way that it slides through easier or harder, but there is nothing actually holding the wire. if i turned my hand to the wrong angle it would just fall out. its all feel, like some kind of kung-fu death touch training....
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Sweet!! Thanks for the tutorial :D
 

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42 and up I lube up my index and thumb and let the decore slide up between them.
i have never tried lube, but i will sometimes press my thumb into the side of my index finger to make a 'v' so the wire doesnt slide to the side/off my knuckle (which would force me to change the angle of my hand to stop it, which would make me lose all my carefully adjusted points of tension, or drop the decore)...
Sweet!! Thanks for the tutorial
:cheers: never hurts to see another way to do it. for me, this is the only way to do it at these gauges...hopefully there is some tip or idea in there that will help you find a way that works for you :D
 

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A coil I made was fused with 46g kanthal d from kingorchid. I was really trying to get color but I couldn’t get anything noticeable. Compared to ss316l, should I color lower or higher wattage? More time glowing low or more really hot pulses? Or thorough cleaning?
i havnt tried kd, but i remember someone saying you gotta get it way hotter for the color to pop.
 

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A coil I made was fused with 46g kanthal d from kingorchid. I was really trying to get color but I couldn’t get anything noticeable. Compared to ss316l, should I color lower or higher wattage? More time glowing low or more really hot pulses? Or thorough cleaning?
Kanthal D likes SERIOUS HEAT....
If your coloring KD then heat it until it glows yellowish white (you will need to pulse it, no torches here)...and then count to 3 and let go...you may need to hold longer to get those pastel pinks.

This is a quick video I did a long time ago showing how I color Kanthal D. It wont let me copy and paste it here....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJazieGhunx/
 

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I really wanna try a hedgehog tomorrow.. I tried once with 36g but I couldn’t quite get it. I have 40g now so I think I might be able to get it. I also wanna try some stitching with 46g. Oooh build gods grant me your favor lol
36g hedgehogs are easier if you oversize the decore (or undersize the cores) by a little bit. It allows for less fuse tension. And, personally, I find single wire 40g hedgehogs difficult. They get easier with interlocks as that gives the fuse a little more stoutness. I've been working on getting consistent razorback hedgehogs. I find them to be infuriating.
 

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A coil I made was fused with 46g kanthal d from kingorchid. I was really trying to get color but I couldn’t get anything noticeable. Compared to ss316l, should I color lower or higher wattage? More time glowing low or more really hot pulses? Or thorough cleaning?
The colors from Kanthal will never "pop" like Ni or SS. They are beautiful when done right. But they are soft pastels, not bright and vibrant.
 

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It’s working boys.
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I’m thinking I’m going to end up making my own bolts for the top but for now these’ll do. Gotta put these fuckers in the top and grips today and then it’s on to shaping the grips to be a bit more ergonomic like myaaa
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I should be able to get the shaping done today and then the finishing done in the next few days when I have time.


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It’s working boys.
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I’m thinking I’m going to end up making my own bolts for the top but for now these’ll do. Gotta put these fuckers in the top and grips today and then it’s on to shaping the grips to be a bit more ergonomic like myaaa
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I should be able to get the shaping done today and then the finishing done in the next few days when I have time.


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Man that's beautiful!! Wish I had the ability to plan something out like that. I can't see past what's in front of me lol
 

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That's my whole point ... I can't see the end of a project until I get there lol

I understand and can relate to that. This project has changed multiple times in the process. I’ve replaced parts and reengineered it in my head 5 or 6 times before cutting or dremeling materials. It gave me nightmares dude quite literally. But it came out pretty streamlined and easy to disassemble to clean because of that process. Deal with the nightmares and make something man. Edison may have been an asshole but the old quote on failure attributed to him was spot on


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Took a swing at stitched hedgehog. 5x28, 40g, 46g. Couldn’t really see what I was doing but got a couple cool little spots. I’m thinking a little more stretch next time and definitely not round cores.. I knew they’d collapse but I tried anyway. Also made some more 46g framed staples.
Edit: looks more echidna than hedgehog ;)
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nice wood @EndDetour, i remember seeing you post 'im thinking of making a a series box' or something like that. pretty cool to see it only a few steps away from being done :cheers: i have one question though, why are you holding out on us man? post one of your crazy meticulous staggered-fused cable-core builds man :teehee:
 

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Took a swing at stitched hedgehog. 5x28, 40g, 46g. Couldn’t really see what I was doing but got a couple cool little spots. I’m thinking a little more stretch next time and definitely not round cores.. I knew they’d collapse but I tried anyway. Also made some more 46g framed staples.
Edit: looks more echidna than hedgehog ;)
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NICE!!! Yah I've definitely found that working with new fuses is much easier with a fraple core. I know you hate wasting ribbon, but wasting 10 ft of wrap wire is more expensive than wasting a couple ft of ribbon.
 

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Decided to throw together a set of coils to replace ones that are a couple months old. They are starting to get a little funky. Planned out my build, cleaned up the work station, set everything up all nice and pretty!

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And then ...

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I know I know I should have a back-up battery. But, I just can't bring myself to buy a $30 new battery for a drill they don't even make anymore. Don't get me wrong, It's a great drill. Fully adjustable for torque and speed, 400-1200 rpms. But I'm starting to hear the brushes and some other unknown sounds creeping out of it.
 

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Decided to throw together a set of coils to replace ones that are a couple months old. They are starting to get a little funky. Planned out my build, cleaned up the work station, set everything up all nice and pretty!

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And then ...

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I know I know I should have a back-up battery. But, I just can't bring myself to buy a $30 new battery for a drill they don't even make anymore. Don't get me wrong, It's a great drill. Fully adjustable for torque and speed, 400-1200 rpms. But I'm starting to hear the brushes and some other unknown sounds creeping out of it.


I could hear my brushes when I bought mine, and then Broke the brushes a few months ago...still works haha
 

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Tried the straw route that Jewbster uses. The only thing easier about it is your guaranteed to not have a "loose" core. But it's so damn wobbly it's not worth it imo. 3-4 missed fuses due to wobble causing bad angles. But This wasn't a show piece. It's for Squonking!!
3 core 30/40 Ni80 SFC, 5.5 wraps on a 2.5mm ID, .25 ohms, in the voopoo rune

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Today I tried to make a squalien with one round core - almost got it, after about 5 tries, figuring out how to get it to stay and not twist, interlocking, stitched, over a claptoned core, etc - will be a cool build, I have some other plans with it to complicate things further :teehee:


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Today I tried to make a squalien with one round core - almost got it, after about 5 tries, figuring out how to get it to stay and not twist, interlocking, stitched, over a claptoned core, etc - will be a cool build, I have some other plans with it to complicate things further :teehee:


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That is HAAAARRRDDD stuff. I've tried a few times. Always get the helix.
 

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Actually no ... what I did was a mohawk in the same fashion. Haven't done a square

I started out trying to razorback 0.3 on 30g, I want to really do this squalien/round core razorback. But my razorback on 30g game is weeeak...that's hard too, to get the ribbon tight enough to stand up straight without being so tight it rips the 30g out of the drill
 

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I started out trying to razorback 0.3 on 30g, I want to really do this squalien/round core razorback. But my razorback on 30g game is weeeak...that's hard too, to get the ribbon tight enough to stand up straight without being so tight it rips the 30g out of the drill
ooohhhh yah ... That's rough. Your best bet is to use the softest ribbon you have. KA is going to be miserable to razorback onto 30g
 

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ooohhhh yah ... That's rough. Your best bet is to use the softest ribbon you have. KA is going to be miserable to razorback onto 30g

I like making it hard on myself :xD:

I know I can do it, this was my 2nd try today (one stick I cut up after 30g broke)
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After I get it down, I'll use SS for prettiness - I generally experiment/waste wire that I have the most of, in this case it's kbee 0.3

That's how I got 46g down, so I figure I'll keep on going that way
 
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2x twisted fused claptons (2x 28 gauge kanthal/36 gauge nichrome 80) somewhat a helix I guess, my own version it's twisted with 34 gauge SS 316L. Ohms out at 0.18 flavor is great as well as vapor production! really enjoying this one!
 

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2x twisted fused claptons (2x 28 gauge kanthal/36 gauge nichrome 80) somewhat a helix I guess, my own version it's twisted with 34 gauge SS 316L. Ohms out at 0.18 flavor is great as well as vapor production! really enjoying this one!

Looks cool. Whats with the plastic wrap and rubber band? Mod looks like its set up for a kill room.
 

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