You guys are hilarious LOL. That was great haha
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Framed staples . 6 ply .3x.1 ribbon with 29g frames and 38g wrapping it all up. Made 8 more today to add to the 4 I made last weekend. Now I need to get em in some attys.
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TMI... lol
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Oh wow I really like that. Looks like you claptoned that ribbon wire in the middle. Looks amazing!Nothing new...
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That's wicked man. Bet you could get some crazy flavor off of that coil too.Nothing new...
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Haven’t had a chance to do a fun build in a while so this one was kinda cool.
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May not be new. But damn that's clean.Nothing new...
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Nice clean build! Good jobTricore Alien 28-36 five wraps
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@Shredtravolta @midknight420 @Wb80 Thanks guys, they arent difficult to make but I love the look and vape off them. Its better with mixing N80, N90, or SS Ribbon with Kanthal for the internal staple and kanthal for the outer ribbon frames, and N80/N90/SS framing. The only issue when making them is sometimes when you go to pinch ribbon sliders around it to hold it all together for fusing - you some times crimp or bend the ribbon frames and have to re-prep again.
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I started using .2 for ribbon frame sliders. I find I ruin the frames less often.
Speaking of ...
Here's a gut shot of a build that might be in the chuck for a few days, depending on how much time I get to put into it each day, before it's finally done.
all .2 ribbon
And, with some 32/42 stags framing them, in the chuck ready to start fusing up.
Cool getting to see other builders work stations. You all on vu r the only builders i know so i never see anyones other than my own makeshift area. Somehow my brain always thinks every1 else's is fancy and elaborate.
Damn it... why is there always sales on shit i want when im waiting on $ and can't shop.TMI... lol
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ThanksNice clean build! Good job
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Well I purchased mine through a builder friend on IG - @wireox_swivel. He makes them periodically. Before that I spent quite some time on a couple of 2x4's nailed together sitting precariously on my desk. And before that it was just a drill in my garage. And before that it was just my hands. There's a shot of my 2x4 station in the build stations thread. Some of the best builders in the world sit at broken down old desks and workbenches with $20 drills and a mish-mash of hand-me-down tools. Hell, one of the current rising superstars, in the creative department, built sitting on the floor of his apt up until like a month ago - @builds_by_talien
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Ya right now im in an apartment so while i havr all the tools i need space is limited. So its a folding table in front of my easy chair. With my swivels looped off of a kitchen table chair. And juice stuff covering the dresser. Lol. My wife loves that part. Lmao
I know that feeling. I moved from open table to open table as needed for a long time lol. It was a lot easier before I started using swivels though. I could build on my lap on the couch while watching tv ... oh the good ol' days lol
I have been building for years, I've been a relatively slow learner but I have put in a lot of time practicing. I have my own mancave in my house where I do it and I still don't think my wife has a single solitary clue what I am doing when I go in there.
Hey Raymo. Hope all is well brother. Can you tell me what size the ribbon, binding for the ribbon, and frames are? I'm just basically asking for the specs cause it looks like something I'd love to try when I get around to it. As I stated before I think the way you did this was very nice and I'd love to give it a try myself cause I'd honestly love to see how it vapes. I'm a single coil guy most of the time and this looks like it would make a killer N80 coil. I think it also happened to color very nicely.Nothing new...
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My 18 yr old daughter, sidewalk chalk, and about 10 mins. She is amazing. I should get some shots of some of the other things she's done and show them off here. The size 13 foot shot is for size reference
My 18 yr old daughter, sidewalk chalk, and about 10 mins. She is amazing. I should get some shots of some of the other things she's done and show them off here. The size 13 foot shot is for size reference
Hey Raymo. Hope all is well brother. Can you tell me what size the ribbon, binding for the ribbon, and frames are? I'm just basically asking for the specs cause it looks like something I'd love to try when I get around to it. As I stated before I think the way you did this was very nice and I'd love to give it a try myself cause I'd honestly love to see how it vapes. I'm a single coil guy most of the time and this looks like it would make a killer N80 coil. I think it also happened to color very nicely.
Inner Staple is 6 x .2R/48g Framed by 2ply .3R and 27g, 40g Stagger and fuse.
Thanks for the reminder ... Need to get me some odd gauges on my next order. I like playing with depth.
Well this was mostly a flop ... The concept is solid but I need another go at it to fix multiple execution issues.
1) To big to fit in any atomizer (lead to lead is approx 30mm lmao)
2) Major fusing issues on the clapton
3) Calculated wraps for a 3.5mm ID and wrapped it on a 3 so the seams are all f'd up. Plus the smaller ID makes it look all weird and thinned out.
Specs -
.2/32/42 ssfc
28/40 sfc
24/38 fc
1) To big to fit in any atomizer (lead to lead is approx 30mm lmao)
2) Major fusing issues on the clapton
3) Calculated wraps for a 3.5mm ID and wrapped it on a 3 so the seams are all f'd up. Plus the smaller ID makes it look all weird and thinned out.
Specs -
.2/32/42 ssfc
28/40 sfc
24/38 fc
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For storage I use the segmented boxes for bead storage. Something like this ...
amazon.com/Plastic-Organizer-Dividers-Compartment-Container/dp/B07C718QMV
Wasn't in a place I could get a picture yesterday. But, this is actually my storage box. It was like 15 bucks from walmart. probably could get it on amazon as well.
Was feeling frisky ... wanted to do something different ...
1st thought - I don't have any square wire
2nd thought - I can make the same aesthetic by stacking ribbon horizontally!
**ensue 20+ mins of futzing with different ribbon stacks to get them all straight. Then slow and meticulous framing and crimping and sliders and pulling and more sliders ... ect ...
3rd thought - I'm gonna fuse this as tight as possible
**Proceed to a nice tight clean fuse
4th thought - SHIT ............. All that work just to cover it up
Even witha 20x macro I couldn't find an angle to see the "square" in the center. Hopefully figure something out when I color it.
Build specs: 3 ply .2 KA1 horizontal, 4 ply .3 SS316L, 28g Ni80, 2x 42g Ni80, 5 wraps on a 3mm ID, .12 ohms, mounted in the rebirth.
1st thought - I don't have any square wire
2nd thought - I can make the same aesthetic by stacking ribbon horizontally!
**ensue 20+ mins of futzing with different ribbon stacks to get them all straight. Then slow and meticulous framing and crimping and sliders and pulling and more sliders ... ect ...
3rd thought - I'm gonna fuse this as tight as possible
**Proceed to a nice tight clean fuse
4th thought - SHIT ............. All that work just to cover it up
Even witha 20x macro I couldn't find an angle to see the "square" in the center. Hopefully figure something out when I color it.
Build specs: 3 ply .2 KA1 horizontal, 4 ply .3 SS316L, 28g Ni80, 2x 42g Ni80, 5 wraps on a 3mm ID, .12 ohms, mounted in the rebirth.
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Amen.
Looks amazing.
I stretch it until they look like little mountains when looking at the wire laid on the table
As long as you can keep that tension consistent, just make sure to wash your hands just beforehand. Personally I like stretching it so it barely needs tension, then I only need to let it slip through my fingers.
I find that having a very tiny microscopic amount of understretch results in a more tightly wrapped alien, and IME that gives them that angrier type of performance that's nicely making it crackle if you don't put too much cotton inside them. Some say it's the only way to get real flavor, some say it's just a subtle improvement... some say it's purely psychological. Personally, I, say it all simply depends on who you ask so if you ask me, how I go about it is I try to strike a middle ground of sorts, by matching the angriness level to be in balance with how airflow characteristics and coil positioning also need to work in tandem. But too much understretch gives it a tendency to flurb too much as you wrap with too much extra tension (at least that's what I found if using 36g Ni80), which leads to frustration, possibly also resulting in anger management issues if it persists.
I'll see what I can do today about a pic. But in the end your not going to get it until you get it yourself (i know that is a bit ridiculous). Trying to match the stretch from a picture is unlikely to yield good results. Here is my suggestion to find the right stretch. Intentionally understretch. Then chuck it up and get it started a bit. Then stretch a little more, while it's on the core, and then spin a couple of times to see if it's right. Stretch more if needed. Repeat until happy with the wrap
Since I dont decore extremely often I'm typically out of practice and, even after a year of doing it, not super comfortable in knowing what the perfect stretch looks like ... So the aforementioned technique is my go-to. The drawback is it's hard to do that with much more than a couple of coils worth of decore at a time. So your stuck making 1 set at a time. Which for me is just fine since I've taken to making my ADV coils as I need them instead of stocking up.Everyone is a little different. Ever build is a little different. Every prep-job is a little different. It will be different with different gauge ratios. It will be different for different drill speeds, as a faster rpm will pull harder on the wrap given the same fuse hand tension. But, on average I prefer to understretch just a little bit unless I'm going with low mass or super wide cores. Then I want a perfect stretch with a moderate to slow fuse speed (for my 1200 RPM drill is about 3/4 to 1/2 throttle)
Good luck!!!
I agree that a slight understretch typically yields a tighter wrap on the average set of cores. But it also depends on drill speed and decore ratio. If I'm looking to slam through a build as fast as possible then oversize the decore a bit (I have randomly sized wire laying around like .43 lol) and understretching is the way to go. If I'm cool with tootling along I find great success with a 'perfect' stretch, exact 3:1 ratio, and a slower RPM. As far as the vape goes ... That is going to depend on your palate, wicking, power. At lower power levels it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other. You've already covered a bit of the wicking, and then the big one. A "refined palate" is going to notice the subtle difference in flavor caused by slight changes. I believe 100% that there are people who do taste the differences between no-stretch and full stretch since it does change aspects of the tension between the cores. But, me ... I have a pretty unrefined palate. I don't notice any flavor difference between the two given that everything else is the same.I find that having a very tiny microscopic amount of understretch results in a more tightly wrapped alien, and IME that gives them that angrier type of performance that's nicely making it crackle if you don't put too much cotton inside them. Some say it's the only way to get real flavor, some say it's just a subtle improvement... some say it's purely psychological. Personally, I, say it all simply depends on who you ask so if you ask me, how I go about it is I try to strike a middle ground of sorts, by matching the angriness level to be in balance with how airflow characteristics and coil positioning also need to work in tandem. But too much understretch gives it a tendency to flurb too much as you wrap with too much extra tension (at least that's what I found if using 36g Ni80), which leads to frustration, possibly also resulting in anger management issues if it persists.
For me, the bigger difference is noticeable in how the vape feels (for better or worse), whereas the actual flavor itself tends to be much less directly affected by this, up to a certain point at least, and also only generally speaking that is, as it also depends on the atomizer used. If the vape feels right, then, to me, it enhances the flavor so it becomes truly magnificent as a result, but only if the flavor already is close enough to being excellent already before adding this same enhancement effect so probably it means my palate's refinement wakes up only after these particular conditions are met... it's a gosh darn lazy refinement alright.
And this wasn't even touched on when i watched you tube vids stating no stretch was easier. Thank you all for the technical advice.
No stretch is "easier" based on not having to prestretch. Which includes learning what the correct stretch is for any given build, and changes depending on your ratios, fuse tension, core/wrap mass. But, in the end learning to no stretch is just as much work. You will have to learn all of that based solely on fuse tension, instead of the look of the decore, anyways. Plus no-stretch will limit you in ways, especially when it comes to higher mass wraps with lower mass cores. Say you want a 36g wrap around 30g cores ... no stretch will likely collapse your cores by the middle of the stick where the tension across them is the least. And even with 'good' core:wrap ratios (8-10+ gauges) collapse becomes more likely as soon as you add more than 3 round cores, and fairly imminent when you venture above 4 round cores unless you wrap wire is a good chunk smaller. Now, I find that a well prepped framed staple gives you a little more leeway before collapse.
Again, if I'm looking to get it done quick I'll do no stretch or understretched almost every time. It's definitely "easier" to bang out set of coils in just a couple mins. Plus it's easier to get longer runs just using one super long decore with no stretch. But as far as how easy it is to learn to get a consistent fuse ... niether one is really any easier imho.
I lol'd a bitit's a gosh darn lazy refinement alright.
That’s a very clean very beautiful build. Bet it’s a great vape too. Loving it!Was feeling frisky ... wanted to do something different ...
1st thought - I don't have any square wire
2nd thought - I can make the same aesthetic by stacking ribbon horizontally!
**ensue 20+ mins of futzing with different ribbon stacks to get them all straight. Then slow and meticulous framing and crimping and sliders and pulling and more sliders ... ect ...
3rd thought - I'm gonna fuse this as tight as possible
**Proceed to a nice tight clean fuse
4th thought - SHIT ............. All that work just to cover it up
Even witha 20x macro I couldn't find an angle to see the "square" in the center. Hopefully figure something out when I color it.
Build specs: 3 ply .2 KA1 horizontal, 4 ply .3 SS316L, 28g Ni80, 2x 42g Ni80, 5 wraps on a 3mm ID, .12 ohms, mounted in the rebirth.
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I find that you’re absolutely correct. Well put.I find that having a very tiny microscopic amount of understretch results in a more tightly wrapped alien, and IME that gives them that angrier type of performance that's nicely making it crackle if you don't put too much cotton inside them. Some say it's the only way to get real flavor, some say it's just a subtle improvement... some say it's purely psychological. Personally, I, say it all simply depends on who you ask so if you ask me, how I go about it is I try to strike a middle ground of sorts, by matching the angriness level to be in balance with how airflow characteristics and coil positioning also need to work in tandem. But too much understretch gives it a tendency to flurb too much as you wrap with too much extra tension (at least that's what I found if using 36g Ni80), which leads to frustration, possibly also resulting in anger management issues if it persists.