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WPMac

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Do you hand drill when binding?
Nope ... thought about getting one. But my drill has high torque mode, which also drops the max RPM to 400, which makes it extremely easy to go super slow at low throttle. I can literally get it down to damn near 2 full seconds for a single rotation if I need. Though, for the most part, I don't ever need it that slow if my prep is good, even with the fuse patterns like above. You find a groove based on angles and can just roll through at a moderate pace after a bit. The drawback is it is a pretty big drain on the battery. And if/when I do need more complete control over the chuck I can turn off the torque and it spins fairly easily by hand. It's not a super fluid motion to get a full rotation. But If I need that much control I don't need it to do that anyways.
 

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Back to basics. I really need to refresh all of this muscle memory more often. Been doing "exotic"/complex coils for long this felt kind of foreign.
30g Ni80 1mm Micro in the OG Kayfun Lite
26g SS316L 2.5mm Macro in the TF-V4 RBA
2x 28g KA1 Parallel and 22g KA1 Split in the TF-RTA G2

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2x 26g (SS316L and Ni80) Spiral wire w/ 40g Ni80 (should have done 38) Helix in the TM24Pro
**You can tell the difference in size in the 2 26g wires. One is .43 and one is .4. They didn't flatten evenly :(
2x28g KA1 twisted in the EHPRO Bachelor Nano

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CaFF

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I went a little nuts today and built a 9-wrap, 3mm I.D., dual-coil sleeper Ni200 build for my Smok TF-RTA-G2. :D
It's 0.08 Ohm and runs perfectly stable in TC on the CoV Tempest, with three 25R's in there. The mod itself is rated for down to 0.05 so no worries.

Pretty decent build IMO and it wicked up nicely. Didn't lose a drop.
I fine-tuned the coils a bit after these pics, trimming ends, evening the coil height, spacing, etc.











It's a flavor monster from hell. Hard to see the wattage being used while vaping it, but seems to be on target of 45-60W being used.
 

WPMac

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I went a little nuts today and built a 9-wrap, 3mm I.D., dual-coil sleeper Ni200 build for my Smok TF-RTA-G2. :D
It's 0.08 Ohm and runs perfectly stable in TC on the CoV Tempest, with three 25R's in there. The mod itself is rated for down to 0.05 so no worries.

Pretty decent build IMO and it wicked up nicely. Didn't lose a drop.
I fine-tuned the coils a bit after these pics, trimming ends, evening the coil height, spacing, etc.











It's a flavor monster from hell. Hard to see the wattage being used while vaping it, but seems to be on target of 45-60W being used.
Yeeeaaah buddy! Another G2 enthusiast :D It's such a cleverly designed RTA. Simple to wick, easy to make leak free, adjustable juice flow including a full close off for leak free re-fills, easy access fill port (I hate having to unscrew my cap to fill my tank) and the kicker (which often goes overlooked) is the middle post that gives the coil fresh air from the side. It's not the most flavorful RTA I've ever tried ... But the flavor is better than average and all the other bonuses put it on the top of my favorites list.
 

CaFF

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Yeeeaaah buddy! Another G2 enthusiast :D It's such a cleverly designed RTA. Simple to wick, easy to make leak free, adjustable juice flow including a full close off for leak free re-fills, easy access fill port (I hate having to unscrew my cap to fill my tank) and the kicker (which often goes overlooked) is the middle post that gives the coil fresh air from the side. It's not the most flavorful RTA I've ever tried ... But the flavor is better than average and all the other bonuses put it on the top of my favorites list.

Thanks!
Ya man, it was my first 'big-boy' RTA back when it came out. Still been used ever since. :)

Had to hand-wrap that sleeper build though. I love sleeper builds, just so solid and efficient if done right.
I did use the CoilMaster 3mm rod, but did the 'ol wrap/slide/pull routine to get nice wrap freehand on a velocity deck.
Think it turned out pretty good for an old blind guy like me. :cool:

PS, the flavor on this is outstanding. Always liked nickle for flavor, just hadn't done it in a long time since all the other metals came out.

PPS: Neither the mod nor the tank are getting warm in the least on this build. CoV TC is working.

I have it set to 235C ATM, seems about as warm as I'd want it. Considering that I'm on 14mg 'Gooey Cinnamon Roll' DIY juice, it's a brain-twizzler of a vape for a 3-second pull. Glad I used the Madagascar cinnamon and a bit of DIYFS Holy Vanilla in there, because I can taste ALL of it now. :eek:
 
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WPMac

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Thanks!
Ya man, it was my first 'big-boy' RTA back when it came out. Still been used ever since. :)

Had to hand-wrap that sleeper build though. I love sleeper builds, just so solid and efficient if done right.
I did use the CoilMaster 3mm rod, but did the 'ol wrap/slide/pull routine to get nice wrap freehand on a velocity deck.
Think it turned out pretty good for an old blind guy like me. :cool:

PS, the flavor on this is outstanding. Always liked nickle for flavor, just hadn't done it in a long time since all the other metals came out.
That is a super clean sleeper btw :shades: That's not easy to do!
I hand-wrap almost everything. I find using the rod caps is only really good for stiff metals and lower gauges. The softer nickle based alloys tend to overlap on me when using them above 26g. And almost all of the coils I make that a cap is even an option are high gauge 30+ ... sometimes 28 but that's almost always Ni80.
 

CaFF

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That is a super clean sleeper btw :shades: That's not easy to do!
I hand-wrap almost everything. I find using the rod caps is only really good for stiff metals and lower gauges. The softer nickle based alloys tend to overlap on me when using them above 26g. And almost all of the coils I make that a cap is even an option are high gauge 30+ ... sometimes 28 but that's almost always Ni80.

Yup, I agree with all of that. And thanks for the compliment too. :D
Think I got the height/distance about right...that center post AF is flowing right underneath the coil and the big 'ol AF slots are about as good as I could get centered on with 9 spaced wraps.

Wicking is keeping up well too, not a drop lost on it or one iota of resistance change
Not a lot of forgiveness on a 0.08 ohm dual build, so I'm happy.

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WPMac

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A semi-successful Matrix wire build. The first stick didn't puff up as nice I would have liked. Will have to revisit this.
Coil - .3 para 38g decored from 26g, on 3x 28g twisted
Bridge - .3 para .2 decored from 24, on 3x 28g twisted

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Color on the SSFC
**No saturation edits. These colors just exploded!**
Have a bunch more shots but the color bleeding got weird with so many alloys. Will see how they turn out when I get around to them.
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Made a few more framed staples for a new rta coming in the mail today. 9 ply .3x.1 ribbon with 29GA frames and 38GA wrapping it up. Don't know the resistance yet they should come in around .13. Now I sit impatiently waiting for the mail man... :wait:

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Sweet!! I find 38 to be the perfect wrap for ADV fraples. 36 is beefy and tends to make them to hot for me. 40 is great but that's about where it starts to gunk up to fast.
 

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Sweet!! I find 38 to be the perfect wrap for ADV fraples. 36 is beefy and tends to make them to hot for me. 40 is great but that's about where it starts to gunk up to fast.
Yeah it does! I played with 40 last year and loved the flavor but didn't like how fast it gunked up. Agree about 36 too. For me, 38 is simple to wrap with compared to 36, lol. 38 has become my sweet spot for wrapping.

Mail finally ran and put the fraples in the new rta. The flavor on this is really good, I mean really good! Build came in at a .15. :D
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WPMac

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Yeah it does! I played with 40 last year and loved the flavor but didn't like how fast it gunked up. Agree about 36 too. For me, 38 is simple to wrap with compared to 36, lol. 38 has become my sweet spot for wrapping.

Mail finally ran and put the fraples in the new rta. The flavor on this is really good, I mean really good! Build came in at a .15. :D
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What RTA is that? I love the inner airflow!
 

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Here's a flavour build I tried, it's not so flavourful anymore, probably time for a re-wick. First time using a stainless coil. Spaced something or other, not too sure. I don't mind it, it's a good vape at about 55 watts but needs a decent amount of pre-heat to get up to speed.

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I'm normally a Ni80 guy for my ADV. But I've been having problems finding a great vape on a parallel box. I can get a satisfactory vape but not a great one. So, I figured I'd try out some full SS in the Rebirth and throw it on my DPRO.**Note: the last shot is not on the DPRO since I pulse on a regulated mod.**
6 ply .3,30,38 all SS316L, 3mm ID, .11 ohms

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Severinomotta

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I'm normally a Ni80 guy for my ADV. But I've been having problems finding a great vape on a parallel box. I can get a satisfactory vape but not a great one. So, I figured I'd try out some full SS in the Rebirth and throw it on my DPRO.**Note: the last shot is not on the DPRO since I pulse on a regulated mod.**
6 ply .3,30,38 all SS316L, 3mm ID, .11 ohms

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Great color bro!
 

WPMac

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Great color bro!
Thank you sir!
Oh! Didn’t post the tricore razor with colors...

Here they are (and with some edit help from @raymo2u - thanks bro)

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Still one of the most technical difficult builds I've ever seen. Getting that razor over 3 cores is some serious work. And to be able to get it consistent for what 2 - 2.5 inches? Bravo my man :cheers:
 

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Still didn’t have time to complete the color process on this one, but I think it looks quite ok till this point. Hope I can end and shoot during weekend.

I’ll try to be here more often, miss you guys.

Best
Oh! Didn’t post the tricore razor with colors...

Here they are (and with some edit help from @raymo2u - thanks bro)

:)

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Insane.:D
 

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A semi-successful Matrix wire build. The first stick didn't puff up as nice I would have liked. Will have to revisit this.
Coil - .3 para 38g decored from 26g, on 3x 28g twisted
Bridge - .3 para .2 decored from 24, on 3x 28g twisted

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Color on the SSFC
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Have a bunch more shots but the color bleeding got weird with so many alloys. Will see how they turn out when I get around to them.
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That SSFC looks like it has twisted ribbon wire in the middle. It looks like there were three fuse passes... I could be wrong.. but it's one of my favorite builds that I've seen in recent times. You always give me some great ideas on what I could possibly try to become better.. whether I end up having the fortitude to actually try them is another story.:D I do love the work.
 

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That SSFC looks like it has twisted ribbon wire in the middle. It looks like there were three fuse passes... I could be wrong.. but it's one of my favorite builds that I've seen in recent times. You always give me some great ideas on what I could possibly try to become better.. whether I end up having the fortitude to actually try them is another story.:D I do love the work.
Thank you sir :D
That is mostly correct. Specs are 2x twisted .3 SS, 4x .3 Ni80, 30g Ni90, 42g Ni80. Fusing is a single strand. Skip 1 3 times then skip 3. If you were to try to fuse them as separate strands you would end up having to skip 7 ... and while that is doable, it's a hell of a lot more work to keep track of how many stags your skipping every single rotation. Just skipping a stag or 3 is way easier. The top 1/2 of the stick in >>>This Post<<< is what the back of that stick looks like so you can kinda see how it all works. Using this idea you can do all sorts of variations based on this concept.
That is an excellent first attempt!!
Getting a round center core to keep from pushing up out of a framing of ribbon can be difficult. When I was learning ,it took me a number of times to get it right the first few times I tried. The biggest help is going to be using as little fuse tension as possible, having frames that are bigger than your ribbon, and stopping to pinch with nylons more often. Once you get a feel for how to keep it all nice and tidy you'll be able to drop fame sizes.
 

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Dropping back to less complex builds has taught me that I've gotten lazy. This SFC was more difficult than a SSFC. Only got 5 or so inches out of an 8 inch stick. I think the gaps made by the ribbon, in a SSFC, give you more room for error with fuse angle.
28/38 Ni80 inception in the not so flattering VandyVape LiT.

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Macro is little fuzzy. Still having problems finding good focal points.

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Severinomotta

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Thank you sir!

Still one of the most technical difficult builds I've ever seen. Getting that razor over 3 cores is some serious work. And to be able to get it consistent for what 2 - 2.5 inches? Bravo my man :cheers:
Bro, in actually I menaged to do like two sticks of that razor, a small, with half foot, and other with 28 cm (little less than one foot). And I was planing to coil it up. But no mater how I tried it was impossible to keep the non staggered core up, and as I was coil ing the wire it keep on twisting.
After loose the first small stick and half of the second I decided to change my approach and thought about that mix build :) so with that little strand just slightly bent I could make the non staggered core to be on top.
To do that razor I made a long razor Clapton and force fuse a 36g (not a 38g, to have more room), then remove the round and cut in half. Glued the ends and add the naked wire above. Glued all, attach to the swivel and start the last razor fuse holding extremely tight with the clamps and close as I can to the cores but in a distance that I could spin the core and not loose the razor. It’s something i’ve Tried a lot till get the feel. But once you get it I would not say is no pita, but is doable :)
And thanks bro :)
 

WPMac

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To do that razor I made a long razor Clapton and force fuse a 36g (not a 38g, to have more room), then remove the round and cut in half. Glued the ends and add the naked wire above. Glued all, attach to the swivel and start the last razor fuse holding extremely tight with the clamps and close as I can to the cores but in a distance that I could spin the core and not loose the razor. It’s something i’ve Tried a lot till get the feel. But once you get it I would not say is no pita, but is doable :)
Again a lot of different techniques require to achieve the final product. And that final fuse requires a STEADY hand and nerves of steel.
 

Severinomotta

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Love me a single core razor squarelien. Such a cool look to them.
And did you do that alien as an OG single core? Or did you fuse with 3 then decore?
Hey bro, thanks :)
Don’t know what OG means :huh:
The no-core Alien (or alien skin - don’t know how to call) is a 28g. I decore from 20g and use 2*20g and 8 ply of .5 as core.
It was very hard to take it off lol. But I started from the ribbon cores and then the rounds were easy.
If I try again I would use maybe .4, or less plys or stretch more. Will need to try to see I guess...
Best bro :)
 

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Hey bro, thanks :)
Don’t know what OG means :huh:
The no-core Alien (or alien skin - don’t know how to call) is a 28g. I decore from 20g and use 2*20g and 8 ply of .5 as core.
It was very hard to take it off lol. But I started from the ribbon cores and then the rounds were easy.
If I try again I would use maybe .4, or less plys or stretch more. Will need to try to see I guess...
Best bro :)
O.G. is an acronym Original Gangsta' ... it's a really old term from the streets. Now-a-days it just means old school or original concept.

The first alien coils were single core on one side. Pretty sure both Dylan and Proxo have done a couple of them if you go through their pages. You can check out coil legion as they posted one of goons first aliens about a month ago or so. Doing it that way would make it WAY easier to decore.
 

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Don't have the umph to get all shooty and edity today. Single quick snap of something I need to redo. The concept is pretty solid. Just need to tighten up some stuff.
Gauges smallest to largest: 2x40 twisted and helixed with 2x30 all helixed with 2x22


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Severinomotta

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O.G. is an acronym Original Gangsta' ... it's a really old term from the streets. Now-a-days it just means old school or original concept.

The first alien coils were single core on one side. Pretty sure both Dylan and Proxo have done a couple of them if you go through their pages. You can check out coil legion as they posted one of goons first aliens about a month ago or so. Doing it that way would make it WAY easier to decore.
I'll try that! Thanks bro :)
 

WPMac

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Just a 4 core 6 wrap but gives a different impression on first glance. This opens up some cool ideas in my brain!!
4 core 28g, 38g fused clap, 40g SFC
Wrap spacing is intentional

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A shot of some of my scrap planning paper and how the center 2 wraps look laid out flat

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