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Arthur-VU

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What sort of build do you have on the Wasp? I have used simple round wires and dual core fused claptons down to .25 ohms and don’t have a heat issue. I tried 28g quad core twisted wire once, and that turned the juice into molten lava though...
@uansari1

Simple round wire of 24g SS316L, 5x 3mm-apart-spaced wraps on 3mm ID, 0.25 Ohms.

See screencap from Steam Engine here:

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I don't do complex builds on anything now, and on mech mods with claptons, etc, ramp time is too slow for me.
 

The Cromwell

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try 26 ga in the wasp at closer to .3 or a bit above.
I started out with 25ga and it was a bit hot.

And I put the bottom of my coils at the same level as the bottom of the airflow channels.
 

Arthur-VU

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try 26 ga in the wasp at closer to .3 or a bit above.
I started out with 25ga and it was a bit hot.

And I put the bottom of my coils at the same level as the bottom of the airflow channels.
Ok thx. I will try that tomorrow.

I had another 26g build with Kanthal, and the wire is so thin that it is lost inside the wide slots under the screw, and fiddly to get it trapped. Seems that without a U-shape or something in the center of the slot, that this deck begs for either ribbon wire or something at least like a dual-fused clapton on acct of the width.

Going with 22g will increase the ramp with with enough wraps to get a 0.30 Ohm build on account of the additional wire mass and surface area. So I dont want to do that, which will likely be a hotter build.
 

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Ok thx. I will try that tomorrow.

I had another 26g build with Kanthal, and the wire is so thin that it is lost inside the wide slots under the screw, and fiddly to get it trapped. Seems that without a U-shape or something in the center of the slot, that this deck begs for either ribbon wire or something at least like a dual-fused clapton on acct of the width.

Going with 22g will increase the ramp with with enough wraps to get a 0.30 Ohm build on account of the additional wire mass and surface area. So I dont want to do that, which will likely be a hotter build.
You could try doubling-back the legs. Double-thick at the posts.

Definitely, I've built mine as high as 30G SS with no problems whatsoever

26G is not thin at all - its the beginning of chunky
 

jasonandsarah

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So after doing some research on the B2K, I'm beginning to consider it more than before. I was concerned about the airflow not directly hitting the coils, but most people claim it's almost like a bottom airflow RDA. It looks like the current edition comes with a SS cap and the deck isn't gold plated, which is nice compared to the ones I had seen before.

Is it really all that great?
I would say the accessories make it great but the rsa is just good. It's kind of a In between atty because it's 23mm. So it's a decent combination of flavor and clouds, I don't care about clouds but I do like being able to run bigger coils sometimes.

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uansari1

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@uansari1

Simple round wire of 24g SS316L, 5x 3mm-apart-spaced wraps on 3mm ID, 0.25 Ohms.

See screencap from Steam Engine here:

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I don't do complex builds on anything now, and on mech mods with claptons, etc, ramp time is too slow for me.

That’s interesting...I’ve run my Wasp on a Pico Squeeze, which is essentially a mech mod, with a 0.25 ohm build, and didn’t have a heat issue. Maybe coil placement is the issue. I’d definitely try swapping it onto the Inbox and dialing down the power to compare. The Cromwell’s advice is also valuable, since he has so much experience with this RSA.
 

The Cromwell

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That’s interesting...I’ve run my Wasp on a Pico Squeeze, which is essentially a mech mod, with a 0.25 ohm build, and didn’t have a heat issue. Maybe coil placement is the issue. I’d definitely try swapping it onto the Inbox and dialing down the power to compare. The Cromwell’s advice is also valuable, since he has so much experience with this RSA.
Same here I started out with 26ga .25 parallel coil in the Wasp. Decided it was a bit warm and went to .34 coil which for ME was just like baby bears porridge. I prefer warm but not hot at all as I take longer slower draws.

Note: I only use driptips on Wasps. Do not care much for it without a good open bore funnel inside styled driptip. The funnel style helps with any condensation and such as well.
 

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THOU SHALT NOT BRAG ABOUT INCOMING VAPEMAIL!

Well, the first rule of vapemail, is you don't talk about vapemail until it's delivered.

Today, I broke that rule and now I am in vapemail hell.

My tracking says "Delivered" but there is nothing in my mailbox.

Oh Vapemail gods, I repent! I repent!

:tantrum:
 

Pastorfuzz

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THOU SHALT NOT BRAG ABOUT INCOMING VAPEMAIL!

Well, the first rule of vapemail, is you don't talk about vapemail until it's delivered.

Today, I broke that rule and now I am in vapemail hell.

My tracking says "Delivered" but there is nothing in my mailbox.

Oh Vapemail gods, I repent! I repent!

:tantrum:
I had that problem last year twice.
Turns out there was a woman that lived in our part of town that was stealing packages .
She eventually got caught and is doing some time.
I feel your pain.
 

snake94115

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@BrewBear

I started my building on a Kanger RBA head a long time ago, so I got no issues with tiny build decks, of course I have to wear a headband magnifier now for anything close up, but that's what happens to most folks when presbyopia kicks in...

I only built a 3.5mm vertical coil in it, and I am good with that. :)

I can see that some folks might find it too fiddly, but for me, I find coil building to be very therapeutic and it helps me purge stress. For some reason I have lots of patience with myself when I build/install a coil.
Forget those huge monster looking things just grab a pair of these things below.

https://www.magnifier.com/eyeglass-jewelers-loupes-10x-25x-egdl10x-25x.htm
 

Le Furet

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Heya Bonkz,
Breaking in here when I have a minute, been busy as a nutter working on a cool 1978 themed project..been mining for soundtrack music the past week... leaving for Europe now in just over a month (Fcuk!) ..and with around -$17 to my name.
Was actually messaging with our Lady Juicy over the weekend and told her I’m leaving VU ...just not feelin the fire like I used to & need to focus on some kinda important life stuff. High time to tone down my obsession with fiddly bits!
Annnd speaking of, my travel rigs are all dialed in.. and not a squonk or RDA in sight (?!)
(I know..I know...shaddup)
Gonna be rocking the Rev4a and a couple Petite Box’s.. was able to score the uber-limited white and red leather sleeves.. so as you can imagine I’ve had a big Vaponaute chubby ever since.
And damn if I don’t still totally love the Herakles Nano. With the Lawless tips it’s just pure butter...

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Butt... to keep it a squonky post, check out the new beauty coming soon from Stratum OLC, machined delrin 18650

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So, that’s about it here for me dudes & juicydudette.. it’s been fun!
Happy to add you on Facebook or send ya a postcard from Paris...
Shoot me a PM

Big hugs & keep on’ poking, ya crazies

SEACREST OUT.
 
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~Don~

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If I catch my postal person vaping a squeeze/wasp combo tomorrow, their ass is grass.

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snake94115

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I had that problem last year twice.
Turns out there was a woman that lived in our part of town that was stealing packages .
She eventually got caught and is doing some time.
I feel your pain.
Yeah we had 1 of those mail thief's hit our apartment building.Bitch stole my zamplebox and a mod/device.She's in prison now & will not be out for a very long time.The judge threw the book at her and called her "sub-human" during sentencing a tirade which lasted about 10 minutes.
 

Arthur-VU

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That’s interesting...I’ve run my Wasp on a Pico Squeeze, which is essentially a mech mod, with a 0.25 ohm build, and didn’t have a heat issue. Maybe coil placement is the issue. I’d definitely try swapping it onto the Inbox and dialing down the power to compare. The Cromwell’s advice is also valuable, since he has so much experience with this RSA.
@uansari1

Yes, thank you for the reply.

I switched the Wasp Nano over to the Inbox, and the build is actually reading 0.35 Ohms of 5.5 or 6 wraps (depending how you count them) of SS316L.

In wattage mode, I am finding a nice vape without any drip tip @ ~18w-20w, and with drip tip ~22w...

So on the Pulse BF, with a freshly charged battery, as per Ohms Law, I am getting roughly double that power from the battery, and thus it is too hot for me. SO maybe I need to build higher, like 0.65 Ohms and see how that is.

What this tells me is that the tiny chamber of the Wasp Nano, and coil placement and the way that the airflow works is actually supremely effecient compared to my other attys, like the Pulse 22 and Druga 22, which need a 0.25 Ohm build to get a comfortable vape for me in temp, flavor and clouds.

Conversely, I put the Nudge 22 on the Pulse BF, with a build of 5 spaced wraps, 24g Kanthal A1, 3mm ID which comes out to 0.48 Ohms on the Inbox (where it was previously), and on the Pulse BF, this is a near-perfect vape for me. I had thought it would be cold and weak to vape, but it almost matches the above setup with the Wasp on the Inbox.

So again when I tried kanthal builds ~0.5 Ohm on the Pulse 22 and Druga 22 on the Pulse BF, the vape was weak and cold, so again it seems that the Nudge 22, which is similar in build deck to the Wasp Nano, but the cap is larger, is ALSO a more efficient atomizer...

My thinking is that if I can build in either @ ~0.5 Ohm and get a happy vape, this will be very good for extending battery life on a mech squonker since at the very least, it is pulling less current by about half.

Please correct me if I am wrong. I want to learn to get this right. Thank you. :)
 

MyMagicMist

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My thinking is that if I can build in either @ ~0.5 Ohm and get a happy vape, this will be very good for extending battery life on a mech squonker since at the very least, it is pulling less current by about half.

Around 0.50 ohms seems a good 'sweet spot' build for a few of us. I will at times drop to around 0.30 ohms depending on the RDA, usually bigger chambered ones. Have tried down to around 0.20 ohms and found it too hot for me no matter the RDA. Others might go even lower, more luck to them I say.

@The Cromwell , minor note too regarding the Wasp. It gave me & Shrek a start the first build I put on. The coil itself popped like a .22 going off. It wasn't a 'bad' pop as in it trashed the coil, it was heating juice that well as to make it pop but not boil. For a little bit thought I had vented or exploded a battery & experienced an odd Limbo. Got to working it through, figured out it was the coil.

Trying to recall exactly the specs, might have to see if I can repeat it. I used a 5 wrap 3 mm ID so as to stay in the 0.30 to 0.50 range, do recall that much. Might have been Kanthal & NiChrome 80 in combo/Clapton. At any rate, kind of not a fun experience as Shrek hid up under my desk. Not sure why but it seems I attract 'gun shy' dogs.
 

Arthur-VU

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I think I've solved the puzzle of the best way for me to use the Wasp Nano to get the vape I like.

With the same coil as before^ 5.5-6 spaced wraps of ss316L, 3mm ID...

So, all of this came to be once I updated and changed some of the materials and their TCR/TFR values in Escribe and uploaded with relevant profiles to the Inbox v3...

Using a TCR of 0.00111 for SS, and 22.2w (with 22.2w pre-heat) @ 420F. I am getting a nice, hot, moist, flavorful vape, on the Wasp Nano, without any added drip tip...

So much so, that this combo is a lock for me. Ramp time is quick enough and with long, slow pulls that I like, similar to Mr. Cromwell @The Cromwell, it seems just right.

I have the afc closed just under half way. Ahhh. All is right in the world :stars2: (at least for now)...

FYI, the wire I am using is the 550 ft, 7-pack 22g-34g of ss316L branded 'Master Of Clouds' from Amazon for $18 back in Nov 2017. I'd share a link, but apparently it's not listed on Amazon any more.
 

snake94115

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I hope he tossed War And Peace at them. It is a rather hefty tome.
I meant it figuratively...Cheers!

PS : As he was leaving the courtroom I just happened to glance he did have a hard-back edition of (Mountain of Black Glass by Tad Williams) in his hand.While not as solid as the book you mentioned but still pretty hefty.
 

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Had to get a 2nd


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Contacts thicker than a penny. Nice. Where can I find those or do they just come with the mod

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The Cromwell

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FYI, the wire I am using is the 550 ft, 7-pack 22g-34g of ss316L branded 'Master Of Clouds' from Amazon for $18 back in Nov 2017. I'd share a link, but apparently it's not listed on Amazon any more.

Got all my Lightning vapes wire at Amazon too.
But they no longer sell LV wire there.
 

troydestroy

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@uansari1

Yes, thank you for the reply.

I switched the Wasp Nano over to the Inbox, and the build is actually reading 0.35 Ohms of 5.5 or 6 wraps (depending how you count them) of SS316L.

In wattage mode, I am finding a nice vape without any drip tip @ ~18w-20w, and with drip tip ~22w...

So on the Pulse BF, with a freshly charged battery, as per Ohms Law, I am getting roughly double that power from the battery, and thus it is too hot for me. SO maybe I need to build higher, like 0.65 Ohms and see how that is.

What this tells me is that the tiny chamber of the Wasp Nano, and coil placement and the way that the airflow works is actually supremely effecient compared to my other attys, like the Pulse 22 and Druga 22, which need a 0.25 Ohm build to get a comfortable vape for me in temp, flavor and clouds.

Conversely, I put the Nudge 22 on the Pulse BF, with a build of 5 spaced wraps, 24g Kanthal A1, 3mm ID which comes out to 0.48 Ohms on the Inbox (where it was previously), and on the Pulse BF, this is a near-perfect vape for me. I had thought it would be cold and weak to vape, but it almost matches the above setup with the Wasp on the Inbox.

So again when I tried kanthal builds ~0.5 Ohm on the Pulse 22 and Druga 22 on the Pulse BF, the vape was weak and cold, so again it seems that the Nudge 22, which is similar in build deck to the Wasp Nano, but the cap is larger, is ALSO a more efficient atomizer...

My thinking is that if I can build in either @ ~0.5 Ohm and get a happy vape, this will be very good for extending battery life on a mech squonker since at the very least, it is pulling less current by about half.

Please correct me if I am wrong. I want to learn to get this right. Thank you. :)
Welcome to the world of single coil flavor chasers...

The big guys aren't quite getting it yet...

It's a whole nother world from 120w chunky dual coil setups. I'm able to get a great vape and great battery life running around 10a...

Some RSAs to try:
O-atty
Hadaly
Narda/Narca
Hussar
GR1

You'll find these, and similar far outshine the pulse/dead rabbit/nudge/etc that are trying to jump on the RSA scene.

Everything now a days comes with a squonk pin because it's the newest 'big thing'... Don't mean they're designed for squonking ;)

Oh and I'll leave you with a hint... Restricted direct lung. Try it :)
 

The Cromwell

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Lightning Vapes screwed the pooch on my last 2 orders so i'm done with them.
I am using Kidney Puncher now. No more issues.
not ordered from them since the fire and new owner thing...
At least I think ownership changed.
 

MrMeowgi

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Welcome to the world of single coil flavor chasers...

The big guys aren't quite getting it yet...

It's a whole nother world from 120w chunky dual coil setups. I'm able to get a great vape and great battery life running around 10a...

Some RSAs to try:
O-atty
Hadaly
Narda/Narca
Hussar
GR1

You'll find these, and similar far outshine the pulse/dead rabbit/nudge/etc that are trying to jump on the RSA scene.

Everything now a days comes with a squonk pin because it's the newest 'big thing'... Don't mean they're designed for squonking ;)

Oh and I'll leave you with a hint... Restricted direct lung. Try it :)
That's just a small list of rsa's also. Tons more to add. But that's a pretty decent list. One could spend all their money squonking.

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troydestroy

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That's just a small list of rsa's also. Tons more to add. But that's a pretty decent list. One could spend all their money squonking.

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Oh yeah, there's more to add to that list! I don't think anyone here would frown on a fasttech haul :)

You could pick up all the above for less than one authentic (except the GR1, it's $40 authentic and worth every penny)

Find what you like and support the maker if you can find/afford it, or don't. Who the hell am i to tell you what to do with your money :)
 

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