Ok needs more watts. I vape up to 130 with my cloud beast.
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SXmini - G Class - Dual 18650 200W
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I'm a big DNA guy (not sure if you are aware of that). I have quite a few DNA200/250 mods and they are my favorite mods. I have two Triade DNA250's and like them quite a bit. I also posted my ecig file for them as well as a few other DNA mods. All you need to do is DL the file, put it on your mod and it's all set up with 7TC profiles, 1 for power, custom screens, custom theme, etc. Here's the link to the Triade 250 thread if you're interested:
Lost Vape Triade DNA250
Cheers,
Steve
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Ok googling around since I'm stuck in Los Angeles until tomorrow and Vivid Smoke still shows the g Class (smaller screen) at $239 and the g Class + (larger color screen) at $299. I wonder if they just haven't updated their site.
I believe that's the case. In the USA I consider Varitube to be the main place to get the SX Minis. Also on another forum it has been reported that Yihi is just releasing one mod called the G Class instead of two different models.
Cheers,
Steve
These Chinese folk haven't realized you can't get 200 watts out of (2) 18650 batteries..... They are either stupid, scammers, or simply liars......
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I've never tried. I rarely go as high as 130, but I guarantee someone will argue this point with you. LOL. Personally I don't see the need for that much wattage. Anything over 130 starts to make my lungs feel singed. I'm more intrigued by the other features of this mod.
Just because it says 200 watts on the screen it doesn't mean it's a 200 watt vape...
This also means that when you are vaping at 85 watts is really 55 watts.....
The max you can get out of a regulated mod (2) 18650 is around 150 watts............ Maybe 155 watts......
Why do you think they are heading to (3) 18650 batteries ? Longer battery life and accurate 200 watt readings.....
Research, watch videos, listen to vaping underground craziness, and finally make the decision, not every mod coming out is promising and what they promise !!!!!!!
These Chinese fucks want one thing..... And that's your money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This also means that when you are vaping at 85 watts is really 55 watts.....
The max you can get out of a regulated mod (2) 18650 is around 150 watts............ Maybe 155 watts......
Why do you think they are heading to (3) 18650 batteries ? Longer battery life and accurate 200 watt readings.....
Research, watch videos, listen to vaping underground craziness, and finally make the decision, not every mod coming out is promising and what they promise !!!!!!!
These Chinese fucks want one thing..... And that's your money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm not arguing with you because you can. The math proves it to be so. The thing is you could, but you have to use 30 amp 18650's and then you would only be able to get it with about 3.5v and above per cell (7.0v total - 7.0v x 30a = 210watts). Battery life would be terrible and with sag figured in, it would only be for part of the runtime.
Do I think it's a good idea? No I do not. Then again I'm TC only and rarely use more than 75 watts (preheat). I'm like @Banshee I'm not planning on using anything near 200 watts. I'm not even sure I would ever get the mod. I just mainly posted the thread to give people a place to discuss the mod. I do like some of the features, but the price tag is more than I'm willing to spend atm.
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Steve
Good luck with that... The chip will not let you do it..... I'm putting in my 2 cents ... I'm not here to argue or start shit.... I'm just being honest because I build boxes and all kinds of shit and I have never gotten a circuit to run 200 watts on (2) 18650 without fucking shit up.....
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Just like the Sigelei 213 watts
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I'm definitely with @Wingsfan0310. If the price comes down on this, I may give it a go for some of the other features. I could really care less about the wattage. It's more than what I need regardless. Battery safety aside, I'm not sure how safe it is for your lungs to vape at that high of wattage for any length of time. I think at some point you can start causing damage to your lung tissues from the super hot vapor. To me, buying a 200 watt or 250 watt device, isn't because I'll use the wattage, it's about peace of mind in knowing that what I will use it for will be more than safe. The device is more than capable of handling my meager demands now and in the future. I quit smoking to be healthier, not steam cook my lungs.
Manufacturers need to start concentrating in accuracy rather than wattage.
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For someone with your expertise, yes. For the average user... no need. Just saying whether wattage or temp control, most users, like me aren't experts nor beginners. Most of us are at an intermediate level. Would accuracy be nice? Sure but we wouldn't be able to tell the difference. We fill a tank with the flavor of the day, screw it on, put in batteries and adjust settings to what we like. The numbers aren't as important as the end result and comfort in knowing we are vaping safely.
Another reason accuracy isn't that important to many is elevation affects the vapor. If I'm driving at sea level I have to use a higher wattage, but once I hit a mountain range, I have to turn it down or it starts burning. My best uneducated guess is the elevation is affecting the wicking, but what do I know? When I'm driving, it's a few clicks up or a few clicks down. I don't look at the number other than when I first fire up a mod to make sure it hasn't been accidentally turned up all the way.
For advanced users like yourself, I can understand the desire for accuracy and that probably has a lot to do with why you build your own. For intermediate users, as long as we can get out of it what we need, a cheaper price tag can many times help us grant forgiveness for small misunderstandings. That's why you're going to have a hard time rallying people to demand accuracy.
But like I said, I've only been vaping for 5 years. I dabble in stuff here or there, but on a daily basis I keep it simple and safe.
looks to be a gimbal switch.
Well I see progress.... The chip in the Ohmewrecker G2, the design of the Triade, The Rx200 and Rx200s, The Maxo, But we need to start reporting, advertising, promoting, you tubing, real numbers, real facts that have been tested. The SD mini G class..... Good idea but $219.00 ?
Most new vapers are inexperienced and very susceptible to false information and getting ripped off...... That's why this is targeted for a young audience.
I'm here not as the FDA, but as a 52 year old colleague passing on information and things I have experienced in our vaping world.
So when I see a (2) cell mod advertising 200 watts I go fucking crazy !!!! Because I see who the marketing target is.
I want to see:
A mod that will assist you by having built in presets for metals, that warns you when fumes become toxic, market the size, the looks, the battery door, the screen, the fire button, the materials, not the wattage....
We need to figure out how to keep the kids of 15 or 16 years of age away from all this vape, smoking, and non sense environment......
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Most new vapers are inexperienced and very susceptible to false information and getting ripped off...... That's why this is targeted for a young audience.
I'm here not as the FDA, but as a 52 year old colleague passing on information and things I have experienced in our vaping world.
So when I see a (2) cell mod advertising 200 watts I go fucking crazy !!!! Because I see who the marketing target is.
I want to see:
A mod that will assist you by having built in presets for metals, that warns you when fumes become toxic, market the size, the looks, the battery door, the screen, the fire button, the materials, not the wattage....
We need to figure out how to keep the kids of 15 or 16 years of age away from all this vape, smoking, and non sense environment......
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That's a very informative video.
I might just buy one.....
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I might just buy one.....
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I don't think it's just younger vapers that get blinded by pretty things, color screens or numbers. I myself do. When I first saw this G Class my eyes lit up. Thank god its $219 or I'd have one on preorder. I have more than enough gear to satisfy me for years. Maybe decades, but I'm going to order a Triade 250... because I like the look and I want a "grown up" mod. The reviews are pretty good and I can afford it. I like getting new things. Many of us do... look at our shelves. I agree that safety and truth in advertising would be awesome, but when has that been a priority in any advertising. It's not just the Chinese. I have yet to own a car that gets the fuel mileage in the commercials. Hell my hubs bought one of those stupid ass countertop oven things for $100 and used it twice because it didn't do as they promised in the infomercial. Advertising lies regarding what country you're in. Have you not seen the ads for the vitamins that are supposed to make a mans junk bigger... yeah their raking in millions while housewives around America remain disappointed. LOL
Also, education that you don't need the most would be key. I see brand new vapers in this forum buying DNA devices they have no clue about. I have at least 5 years experience and I'll be getting my first DNA. That said, I can be just as guilty of wanting the latest and greatest. That's human nature and as such a majority of us will get blinded by puffed up claims.
As far as keeping young kids away... living in a country where w**d, prescription drugs and alcohol is readily accessible to most kids makes me feel like vaping is the least of our worries. I'd much rather see a kid vape than smoke a **** or down liquor or even smoke a cig. I started smoking cigs at 14. If I caught my kids vaping, it wouldn't bother near as much as if I caught them smoking. I'm thankful that this younger generation has a safer alternative than we did. I'm about 10 yrs behind you in age, but I sure wish vaping had been a thing when I was 14. I would have started with that rather Marlboro Reds...
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Once you get it and test it, keep us updated.. ...
I'm the same way with my Modfather RTA...... The best thing in vaping I have ever bought...... I push and advise every one to get one .... But I do it because I have had it with me 18 hours a day for 6 months.
It has been tested....
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I'm the same way with my Modfather RTA...... The best thing in vaping I have ever bought...... I push and advise every one to get one .... But I do it because I have had it with me 18 hours a day for 6 months.
It has been tested....
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I will if it ever comes down in price. Although I may not be the best one to test it. I'm hardly an expert. @Wingsfan0310 would be much better at that than me, but I think he's shying away from the price too. I can't imagine they will sell very many with the $220 price tag. I'm guessing they'll have no choice but to eventually bring it down at some point. It would have to come down at least $100 for me to justify buying it. Until then I'll order my Triade. I've seen you mention the Modfather before. I have to have things that won't leak, especially when changing elevations. How is the Modfather with leaking? An RTA is the one thing I haven't bought yet. I use my RDA when I'm parked, but rarely anymore. I've been mainly sticking with my Atlantis V2, Cleito and TFV8. So far those don't leak, but I kind of miss making coils and have been thinking about an RTA.
I'm watching TV with the only 2 mods That don't leak 1 drop on their side....
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The Modfather and The Aromamizer Supreme
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I may spring for one of them when I order my Triade. I want to try some of the new wires out now. The last time I wrapped my own coils, plain kanthal was the only option. LOL I need to get up to date on the new fangled coil options out now. The choices are ridiculous! I was thinking of the limitless plus, but heard it leaked.
Look up the Modfather thread that's a true love thread........
The Modfather is something that will change the way you see vaping..... It is remarkable......
A real vaping fanatic,enthusiast, crazy, serious, picky, la crème de la crème...... must own one !
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The Modfather is something that will change the way you see vaping..... It is remarkable......
A real vaping fanatic,enthusiast, crazy, serious, picky, la crème de la crème...... must own one !
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Lol. Some of us enjoy vaping below 40 watts and some RTAs are superb vaped below 40 watts. I too look for well designed and well mods. I still have a DNA 40 I picked up from @Vash. I like a flavorful vape and I doubt yopu could convince me your Modfather is better than my authentic Hurricane JR. I squonk at 30 watts usually and my vape tastes phenomenal.
I do agree that 200 watt, two battery mods are ridiculous. I do occasionally vape gigher than 40 watts - own more than one mech series mod. But size and power are not the be all end all. I would buy the G series IF I was convinced it was well made and accurate and I would vape it with an Ubertoot at 25 or so watts and adjust it and fine tune by .1 increments IF it was accurate.
My problem is also accuracy. On some mods I need them to be adjustable in .1 watt increments so I get the pwerfect vape. Yes I'm OCD sometimes. Any mod that can do that has my attention. I don't mind it if it goes up to 150 watts on two batteries because I wiull occasionally put a Iron Maiden on top of a mod. Or my VCMT 30. But I use these very occasionally. Only weekends. Daily I like a nice flavorful RTA or squonk atty. On an accurate sety up. I generally use DNAs to get that - either DNA40 or DNA75 - both efficient enough at lower watts.
I do agree that 200 watt, two battery mods are ridiculous. I do occasionally vape gigher than 40 watts - own more than one mech series mod. But size and power are not the be all end all. I would buy the G series IF I was convinced it was well made and accurate and I would vape it with an Ubertoot at 25 or so watts and adjust it and fine tune by .1 increments IF it was accurate.
My problem is also accuracy. On some mods I need them to be adjustable in .1 watt increments so I get the pwerfect vape. Yes I'm OCD sometimes. Any mod that can do that has my attention. I don't mind it if it goes up to 150 watts on two batteries because I wiull occasionally put a Iron Maiden on top of a mod. Or my VCMT 30. But I use these very occasionally. Only weekends. Daily I like a nice flavorful RTA or squonk atty. On an accurate sety up. I generally use DNAs to get that - either DNA40 or DNA75 - both efficient enough at lower watts.
I have a hurricane v3 stashed away...... Nice it is......
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The Modfather is a man tank..... Looks good on anything the damb thing....
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Gingervapes.com has a Boxer mod that uses the same chip but the last time I checked it is more expensive than the G Class.
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I saw that but they look flimsy. They look like they're made from nerf material. LOL
Wait it's a man tank. But I'm a woman! Dammit! Where's the Modmother then?
Have you seen Daniel djlsb video on the g-priv. It is a dual 18650 and does 218 true watts. Go watch it. Not trying to argue but there are mods with dual 18650 that do 200 watts. It can be done, probably not smart to do though.
Yeah, but is it really 130 watts what you vaped ? It could be 65 watts. .. ..???
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Yeah, there like a nylon material. They seem to be real popular, I have seen used Boxer mods sell on ebay for close to there new price, craziness.
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Couldn't say for sure. I know that whether I'm at 65 watts or 120 watts, it tastes and feels the same across all the mods I currently use. I mainly use an RX200S, 2/3, IPV 5 & 6S. I tend to stick with the cheaper mods simply because of the job I do and they get banged around a lot. I won't be too upset if one gets ruined. Since none of them are "high end", I will have to compare them to the Triade when I get it. I don't have fancy equipment to test them, just taste and feel.
It would be cool to see this chip in a Triade style mod. At least that would be my preference.
You will like the Triade... Very accurate....
That's the best mod that I have owned that gives me the most accurate wattage...
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That's the best mod that I have owned that gives me the most accurate wattage...
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I'm excited. I'm going to order it as soon as I find the best price. Unfortunately it will sit in a locked mailbox until I get home around Christmas time. I usually don't get home but every 6-8 weeks and soon it maybe as long as 3-4 months, so I usually have stacked up vape mail.
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.00001? *key music*
Push it to the limit lmao
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Push it to the limit lmao
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If I ever wanted to vape at 200W, it would be on one of my 3 battery mods. Then again, I'll never vape at 200W. I do have some 2 battery mods. One is a Therion 133W that works beautifully. The other is an Alien. Yes, it is essentially misbranded as a 220W box, but as I'll never use it above 70W (maybe, on a special day), I can live with it. It's actually a nice mod for the price. Same way I wouldn't really run my VT75 at 75W. And that has a helluva better chipset than say the Alien, but I'm not going over 40-50W on that with a single battery.
But it's the same crap as a V8 350 hp engine in a coupe you'll never drive above 85 mph (assuming you're cool going 10 over on a 75 mph highway). Big numbers sell, and it's no different in mods, cars, or computers (OK, yes, at least there I can max out my OC'd i7, but not while I'm here on a forum in a browser).
But it's the same crap as a V8 350 hp engine in a coupe you'll never drive above 85 mph (assuming you're cool going 10 over on a 75 mph highway). Big numbers sell, and it's no different in mods, cars, or computers (OK, yes, at least there I can max out my OC'd i7, but not while I'm here on a forum in a browser).
This thing is very cool. It looks and feels very high end. The problem is I am with Manny, The DNA250 is simply a better board. Not trolling it is kind of a fact. If you like this and want to spend it then fine but it is not the finest vape if that is what you really want. Buck/Boost and doing 200W on 20A batteries which can really only sustain like 16A good luck with the plastic surgeon. What they did to prove it outright sick. Typical chinese. They could give a shit about anyones safety. If you do get this I highly recommend you do not run it over 130 and that in fact is really only like 100 anyways. It is super no doubt but 2 batteries and their board just do not cut it for that price IMO. You are paying for the case only.
While I agree the DNA200/250 boards are great boards (my personal favorites), I wouldn't say it's better yet since this will be the first mod this board is released in. What I'm saying is the board isn't out yet so saying something is better than it is impossible unless you are looking at a crystal ball and seeing into the future.
A couple of other things,
1. if you were trying to push this mod, why would you use 20 amp cells? There are 30 amp cells readily available.
2. There are other dual cell mods released that are claiming over 200 watts (Smok, IPV's, etc and single cell mods claiming 100+ watts - Hohm Slice, etc). Why am I not seeing this post in their threads as well?
I don't really think 200 watts is a good idea with dual 18650 mods. I'm not really arguing that point. Can it be done safely with 30 amp cells? I believe it can, but for only part of the runtime. Do I think it's a good idea? Not really. Do I ever run my mods that high, definitely not (I'm never over 100 watts and that includes preheat).
The other thing is that the yihi 350/450/550 are very accurate boards. This board is very capable and an argument could be made that it has more functionality than the evolve boards. Not needing a computer to make changes is in my opinion a giant plus. I don't understand how anyone who has no experience with this mod would be able to know that it is inaccurate.
just a bunch of hot air being spewed.
Manny what do you use to test wattage accuracy?
just a bunch of hot air being spewed.
Manny what do you use to test wattage accuracy?
Yeah, I do agree with you guy's. I did not know there were real 30 amp cells. In that case you could do it. I think their demo was with 20 amp cells but not sure. Not using a computer or having a Mac to some is a big bonus. I do not think it will allow you to dial in as much as the DNA does but like you guy's said who knows. It is not released yet. I did give it that it certainly looks the part. Also many people do not need to/care to dial in their vape so much in case it does not allow that functionality. I like to change preheat and it's time, ramp up etc. All they ever had was their few choices but maybe that will change. If it is buck/boost it wil never be as efficient as the DNA. That is a given, if indeed it is using that. Then 30 amp batteries must be lower MAH I would gather. The Triade on 3xHG2 should easily outlast it I would think. Then there is the price. This is not a custom mod. It will be quickly obsolete.
I think YiHi makes a good product with a well designed board. To me, the old Evolv vs. YiHi comparison just seems silly. Both are excellent and both offer lots of customization of your vape. A different philosophy in each, but it comes down to individual preference. Either way you should get a well performing device.
Now, as to the new G class it appears to be quite capable. I expect the performance will be excellent. On a completely individual taste preference, the mod is just unattractive to me. I don't care for the look. For those that do, it looks like you'll get a solid mod. Obviously assuming it lives up to reputation after actual release.
And GorGon, you are correct, the 30A batteries do have a lower mAh, usually 1500 from what I've seen. For my mods and pattern of use, I'm just really happy with my simple 25Rs. Readily available at a good price, reliable, and 20A is more than sufficient for my use. But sure, the LGs and Sony's are also excellent choices. Probably if I were planning on a competition with a mech I'd care more about having to get a 30A battery.
Now, as to the new G class it appears to be quite capable. I expect the performance will be excellent. On a completely individual taste preference, the mod is just unattractive to me. I don't care for the look. For those that do, it looks like you'll get a solid mod. Obviously assuming it lives up to reputation after actual release.
And GorGon, you are correct, the 30A batteries do have a lower mAh, usually 1500 from what I've seen. For my mods and pattern of use, I'm just really happy with my simple 25Rs. Readily available at a good price, reliable, and 20A is more than sufficient for my use. But sure, the LGs and Sony's are also excellent choices. Probably if I were planning on a competition with a mech I'd care more about having to get a 30A battery.