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The BOREAS RTA by Augvape and Roxy
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Love what I see of the Allegra and Boreas (wish I was rich, I'd buy 2 of each to keep on hand and ready to swap out).......Griffin 25 (especially like the plug for single coil building on the Griffin) going be sweet too, but anybody looked these two versions over yet....
SMOK TF-RTA G2 & G4, Daniel has a nice review.
Only problem I see with the G4 deck is (and keeping greedy politician's hands out of our pockets) managing to keep enough juice (and Dental Cotton) on hand to "Feed Meeeee" Yikes!
SMOK TF-RTA G2 & G4, Daniel has a nice review.
Only problem I see with the G4 deck is (and keeping greedy politician's hands out of our pockets) managing to keep enough juice (and Dental Cotton) on hand to "Feed Meeeee" Yikes!
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Kinda like the pharase..................."The more you wrestle with pigs in the mud..the more you come to realize they enjoy it".
Kool !!! There's enough room on that baby for at least 4 more Clapton's !! But where ya going plug the car batteries into ??
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I'm throwing out 8-10 footers full of flavor and heat with these 3.2mm five wrap parallel (ten total) fused staged heating dual claptons at 185-200W, no other tank can even compare to the Boreas. To be honest, I don't think I own a single RTA/RDTA that isn't prone to a small amount of leaking from time to time. 99% of tanks, leak, it's in the nature of anything holding liquids that isn't 100% closed off most of the time.
A standard car battery is a nominal 12V, I've got 4S lipo boxes that can pump out 16.8 Volts fully charged before sag, you don't need a car battery to push over 1,500-3,000 Watts. #TeamLipo.
Also, Saytar, maybe condense your posts into a single post using multiple quotes. Just hit quote and copy the quote line out of the reply box and edit it in if you feel you have more to add later, or just do it all in the first post. Unless it's an older post.
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Skip the G4 deck unless you are patient. It's a bitch to get your leads trapped on the negative screws. I came up with a good method, but still. So many RTAs out now that are easy to build.
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I don't think the TF-RTA offers one single thing tons of other RTA's out don't do better, it has a 22mm RTA deck in a 24.5mm package and also holds 22mm RTA levels of juice. I'm a typical Smok hater, every product they've put out that I've owned or seen others own has been cheap crap. Smok never innovates, every product they release is a more cheaply designed version of something already out. The TF-V4 is the one anomaly, but one 4-star product with miles of 1-star products behind it doesn't redeem them. A lot of "Me too!" mentality goes into their products, copying everyone else, providing zero innovation of their own and using cheap materials. Countless SmokTech mods I've owned have crapped out or performed poorly.
Sure, the TF-RTA has that G4 quad deck, but as Roxy stated and I've stated before, it's an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE to build on, even if you are patient. Even if you get it built, it's going to be four tiny coils, not four huge ones. Plus they basically have enough wicking slots for two coils on a quad coil deck. Both the lead trapping and wicking on that deck make it a nightmare, and the fact you're forced to use small coils on it make it virtually worthless when compared to the G2 deck.
There's like, over 60+ RTA's that have been released since the 22mm Griffin launched late last year, companies have cranked out so many tanks so fast it's virtually killed off 95% of possible innovation for at least months to come. This is one reason I like RDTA's, plenty of innovation left in that department right now. Just my two cents, but 99% of these new RTA's are just 'Me too!' designs that hold very little water.
Every corner is nearly maxed out on possible innovation right now. We've got unthreading top fill caps, hinged top fill caps, press fit top fill caps, swivel top fill caps, grommet plugged top fill holes, etc. We've got 14mm decks, 15mm decks, 16mm decks, 17mm decks, 18mm decks and even 20mm decks plus every size in-between those. 2ml tanks, 3ml tanks, 3.5ml tanks, 4ml tanks up to 10ml tanks. Velocity post decks, postless decks, three post decks, standard non-velocity two posts decks, fixed decks, removable decks, floating decks, four post decks. Every color under the sun. RDTA's, RTA's, Genesis Style Tanks. Ceramic coils, notch coils, all kinds of coils. Tanks made out of every grade imaginable of stainless steel. Ten different versions of juiceflow control. Airflow that varies across the board, with and without control rings. Single coil decks, dual coil decks, quad coil decks.. ALL IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. I mean, I LOVE RTA's/RDTA's, they're basically all I use, but this market gets a little ridiculous sometimes.
By NO means do I mean to imply innovation and competition are bad things, I get that it makes it to where there's basically something out there for everyone. Nobody is without a product choice that isn't a perfect fit for them personally.. and then there's 100 other tanks. When you have two RTA's coming out EVERY WEEK, it produces two major things. One, outlandish hype that drives people to waste money on a product that is virtually identical to three they already own, and two, a type of fanboyish infighting around the vape community which essentially turns into a dick measuring contest between companies and their fans. It's a bit TOO much, is all I'm saying. I just wish these products were a little more thought out. You do have 5-star products like the Boreas, the Supreme, the Herakles RTA and etc, then you have a bunch of 3-star me-too products that literally overcrowd the market and make it to where it's difficult to find the hidden gems because you're having to dig through a sea of identical Chinese products to even see them.
Sure, the TF-RTA has that G4 quad deck, but as Roxy stated and I've stated before, it's an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE to build on, even if you are patient. Even if you get it built, it's going to be four tiny coils, not four huge ones. Plus they basically have enough wicking slots for two coils on a quad coil deck. Both the lead trapping and wicking on that deck make it a nightmare, and the fact you're forced to use small coils on it make it virtually worthless when compared to the G2 deck.
There's like, over 60+ RTA's that have been released since the 22mm Griffin launched late last year, companies have cranked out so many tanks so fast it's virtually killed off 95% of possible innovation for at least months to come. This is one reason I like RDTA's, plenty of innovation left in that department right now. Just my two cents, but 99% of these new RTA's are just 'Me too!' designs that hold very little water.
Every corner is nearly maxed out on possible innovation right now. We've got unthreading top fill caps, hinged top fill caps, press fit top fill caps, swivel top fill caps, grommet plugged top fill holes, etc. We've got 14mm decks, 15mm decks, 16mm decks, 17mm decks, 18mm decks and even 20mm decks plus every size in-between those. 2ml tanks, 3ml tanks, 3.5ml tanks, 4ml tanks up to 10ml tanks. Velocity post decks, postless decks, three post decks, standard non-velocity two posts decks, fixed decks, removable decks, floating decks, four post decks. Every color under the sun. RDTA's, RTA's, Genesis Style Tanks. Ceramic coils, notch coils, all kinds of coils. Tanks made out of every grade imaginable of stainless steel. Ten different versions of juiceflow control. Airflow that varies across the board, with and without control rings. Single coil decks, dual coil decks, quad coil decks.. ALL IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. I mean, I LOVE RTA's/RDTA's, they're basically all I use, but this market gets a little ridiculous sometimes.
By NO means do I mean to imply innovation and competition are bad things, I get that it makes it to where there's basically something out there for everyone. Nobody is without a product choice that isn't a perfect fit for them personally.. and then there's 100 other tanks. When you have two RTA's coming out EVERY WEEK, it produces two major things. One, outlandish hype that drives people to waste money on a product that is virtually identical to three they already own, and two, a type of fanboyish infighting around the vape community which essentially turns into a dick measuring contest between companies and their fans. It's a bit TOO much, is all I'm saying. I just wish these products were a little more thought out. You do have 5-star products like the Boreas, the Supreme, the Herakles RTA and etc, then you have a bunch of 3-star me-too products that literally overcrowd the market and make it to where it's difficult to find the hidden gems because you're having to dig through a sea of identical Chinese products to even see them.
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Phil Busardo told me Boreas was "Me, too!".
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No offense to any of Phil's fans who may read this (But if you are Phil, go fuck yourself.) but he's fallen under the mental self-given status of 'I'm OG and I have an oscilloscope so I'm a fucking god in this community' and has gotten a bit useless as a reviewer. Plus 99% of what he reviews are mouth to lung tanks, I don't even understand the weight of his comment when I've never seen him using anything like the Boreas. He isn't even relevant to these types of tanks, because he never even uses them. I own three oscilloscopes, I'm an electrical engineer, he can shove his up his ass because it seems to make him feel entitled. I've met the man personally at a local store he worships, Mountain Oak Vapors, he's very pompous and has a generally condescending demeanor about him. Same with his buddy Dimitri. He calls the Boreas a Me Too tank and reviews the same tank every month, some obscure MtL Kayfun rip-off from Europe. EVERY TIME.
It deeply bothers me that people act like he's an electrical genius because he has the ability to point out types of signals on a very easily used piece of equipment that you can buy on Ebay for $50. So he's been vaping for years, so have I and thousands of others. He only reviews certain types of products, so he's also full of personal bias. I can't stand the man personally, his real life attitude is nothing like his camera persona, and even then he's become a bit of a sell-out douche on camera as well. I was okay with him right until he sat down with one of those liars from HOhmTech RIGHT AFTER bashing their product and acted like everything was all good when the company was releasing a product under a sea of lies used as marketing for it that barely even functioned as a mod. Then I just hit unsubscribe and forgot about him.
It's not just Phil either, every reviewer who has any kind of real subscriber base is falling victim to 'Rip Tripper's syndrome' these days. It's hard to tell who's being honest these days on Youtube.
It deeply bothers me that people act like he's an electrical genius because he has the ability to point out types of signals on a very easily used piece of equipment that you can buy on Ebay for $50. So he's been vaping for years, so have I and thousands of others. He only reviews certain types of products, so he's also full of personal bias. I can't stand the man personally, his real life attitude is nothing like his camera persona, and even then he's become a bit of a sell-out douche on camera as well. I was okay with him right until he sat down with one of those liars from HOhmTech RIGHT AFTER bashing their product and acted like everything was all good when the company was releasing a product under a sea of lies used as marketing for it that barely even functioned as a mod. Then I just hit unsubscribe and forgot about him.
It's not just Phil either, every reviewer who has any kind of real subscriber base is falling victim to 'Rip Tripper's syndrome' these days. It's hard to tell who's being honest these days on Youtube.
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True...........that's one reason I'm researching and not pulling a trigger yet....passed on the TF-4's mainly due to the massive juice habit it has, went with Crown's and so far great enough clouds and flavor for me with that, but I'm a really, really big cheap skate when it comes to "consumables"....the price of the ticket is one thing, but all the extra "popcorn" at the movie is the item that breaks ya.....
Got the easy tanks, Looking for the "THE RTA".....cheaper to mix DIY, build coils and re-wick than to buy pre-made juice, and pre-made coils and since I'm not really into massive or "designer" coils once I find an RTA or two that's simple, let's me play with "mildly exotic" if the fancy grabs me, give's me good flavor and makes a cloud or two when I feel the "need" I'll buy 2 or 3 and set them up for my "variety".
And since there are so many coming out right now.......would like to find 6-10 ml RTA to give me an all day carry around for the juice that's easy to build, and just works...............the one thing that most manufacturer's are avoiding seem to be the high volume tanks......all the other trick's that don't add a whole lot of value and convenience..............let's face it, if you've got a larger multi battery MOD to enable an all day run around, the small additional size for a higher volume tank shouldn't really be an issue..............
Maybe a Boreaus (Velocity Style) build deck on a "squarish" tank if necessary, somewhat like the new Mini Cubis tank, but lose the pre-built proprietary coils BS ????
Got the easy tanks, Looking for the "THE RTA".....cheaper to mix DIY, build coils and re-wick than to buy pre-made juice, and pre-made coils and since I'm not really into massive or "designer" coils once I find an RTA or two that's simple, let's me play with "mildly exotic" if the fancy grabs me, give's me good flavor and makes a cloud or two when I feel the "need" I'll buy 2 or 3 and set them up for my "variety".
And since there are so many coming out right now.......would like to find 6-10 ml RTA to give me an all day carry around for the juice that's easy to build, and just works...............the one thing that most manufacturer's are avoiding seem to be the high volume tanks......all the other trick's that don't add a whole lot of value and convenience..............let's face it, if you've got a larger multi battery MOD to enable an all day run around, the small additional size for a higher volume tank shouldn't really be an issue..............
Maybe a Boreaus (Velocity Style) build deck on a "squarish" tank if necessary, somewhat like the new Mini Cubis tank, but lose the pre-built proprietary coils BS ????
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I own the TF-RTA, and I will say there's nothing about it that makes it worth buying over other RTA's.
Also, if you don't mind using a FILL SCREW ( I do, which is why I do not own one ) and paying $200 there's a tank literally called THE TANK by Scottua. Four post 22mm build deck, a ton of Kennedy style airflow (non-adjustable) and it doesn't have juice flow control either, but it has a massive, easy to build on deck and holds a ton of juice. Plus the quality is top notch. No JFC/AFC, filling through a screw and price are the cons, but as far as nice RTA's go it has the NICEST build deck I've seen on one, full 22mm build deck with huge wicking ports. http://stcdesignsllc.com/store/devices/the-tank.html
10ml capacity, 4ml in the short mode. You can fill from the top or bottom but it won't give you full capacity sadly.
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That's what the first Kayfun cost. Authentic, handmade (dude at Scottua makes them all himself, he's a machinist.) products like that go for that much. Plus if you own a The Tank you'll be vaping off an RTA you know there's less than 250 of out right now.
Given my DNA-obsession, I don't think a single one of my mods cost me under $150, but that being said, those are MODS, not toppers. Still, if that tank had topfill I'd gladly throw that kind of money at it.
Given my DNA-obsession, I don't think a single one of my mods cost me under $150, but that being said, those are MODS, not toppers. Still, if that tank had topfill I'd gladly throw that kind of money at it.
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If Svoemesto made a 25mm RTA with a big build deck, we'd have a new standard. For MtL RTA's, I don't think there's anything better than Kayfun's.
If I was wealthy like you, I ain't gonna buy that ELKONOGIN LOOKING TANK, now way bro....
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SEMI-WEALTHY, I don't even make six figures. Yet, just gotta tough out college for good few more years and get my Master's. Plus 75% of my income goes to bills, Suboxone doctor payments, insurance, property tax and other such bullshit. My dream was to become an astrophysicist or an astronomer, I got into engineering for the money. Still waiting on most of that money while the Universe keeps expanding.
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Im waiting for it to arrive actually... any day it should be here...Hey @raymo2u here's your kind or RDA! https://www.subtanksupply.com/rda-atomizers/horney-rda-by-wild-bull.html It'a a horny RDA
Ive built crazier shit then that and had everything go smoothly...it s all in how you build and what you use..
Airflow hits all three coils, you can easily fit enough wick down the sides while piggy backing the wicks...if you keep it loose and fluffy then all the coils should get enough juice but you wont be able to chain vape it. Its has AFC rings so you can adjust airflow for each coil or a ring to adjust all three at the same time...
And you hear B&B's whining about not being able to compete with online. Maybe if they didn't charge 100%+ mark up ya know
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All Cotton Bacon is just Sterilized medical cotton. Save yourself a ton of money and get it online for around $15 for a 1lb roll
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Are you the fucking no leak fill princess?? JHC!
I buy it for $3 a pack...its really not that bad.
I see my Signature is gaining popularity
Works out you're paying roughly $453 for what you can get for $15,yes it isI buy it for $3 a pack...its really not that bad.
I see my Signature is gaining popularity
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You will never use even a quarter of that cotton...3 bags have lasted me over 2 months and I still have atleast a full bag and maybe 2 strips left in another...and I build throughout the day wicking and rewicking constantly...a few bags will last most people almost a year...Its not like your going through pounds of wick every day...You should be able to get around 30-40 wicks out of one bag with 3mm 6 wrap Fused Claptons...more if your using smaller sized coils. I understand your input but I dont mind using it.Works out you're paying roughly $453 for what you can get for $15,yes it is
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Its a nice resealable bag, and its shiny...that alone was worth the $3
I'm in the same boat as you are.... I saw this video a couple months ago and started saving my old coils from the Crown. I have rebuilt a couple of them in the last few weeks per the video and its working out great for me.
At last!
Received my Boreas yesterday.
Wonder why it took more then three weeks from Charleston, WV to Lisbon, Portugal?
Well, it seems that my Boreas got carried by some wind and went all the way to Thailand before getting here.
Nice trip, don't you think?
I only had the time to clean it (it had a little bit of glue on a couple of spots), I'll build it later today.
But I can say this: it's beautiful and very well machined!
I bought an RX200 specifically for it but it also sits very nicely atop my Apollo Reliant (go figure).
Received my Boreas yesterday.
Wonder why it took more then three weeks from Charleston, WV to Lisbon, Portugal?
Well, it seems that my Boreas got carried by some wind
and went all the way to Thailand before getting here. Nice trip, don't you think?
I only had the time to clean it (it had a little bit of glue on a couple of spots), I'll build it later today.
But I can say this: it's beautiful and very well machined!
I bought an RX200 specifically for it but it also sits very nicely atop my Apollo Reliant (go figure).
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I'm neither a female or royalty, you seem to misunderstand my gender. I'm a male, a gay male, but a male. Either that or you just exclusively get butthurt over my comments, in which case you should probably talk to someone about that, deeper problems and such.
At last!
Received my Boreas yesterday.
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Wonder why it took more then three weeks from Charleston, WV to Lisbon, Portugal?
Well, it seems that my Boreas got carried by some wind
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Nice trip, don't you think?
I only had the time to clean it (it had a little bit of glue on a couple of spots), I'll build it later today.
But I can say this: it's beautiful and very well machined!
I bought an RX200 specifically for it but it also sits very nicely atop my Apollo Reliant (go figure).
Jesus christ. I've seen packages take weird routes due to placement of sorting locations and the easiest routes to get there for the carriers, but this is a bit much.
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At last!
Received my Boreas yesterday.
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Wonder why it took more then three weeks from Charleston, WV to Lisbon, Portugal?
Well, it seems that my Boreas got carried by some wind
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Nice trip, don't you think?
I only had the time to clean it (it had a little bit of glue on a couple of spots), I'll build it later today.
But I can say this: it's beautiful and very well machined!
I bought an RX200 specifically for it but it also sits very nicely atop my Apollo Reliant (go figure).
I had one come from China to the US, go back to China, then finally come back here. It was silicone mod sleeves, but was rejected by US customs!
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I've never had one rejected, though I have had it sit for almost a month. What was the reasoning behind rejection?
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Hey man if bulk sales are your thing me and my boys from Ecuador can hook you up.
Boreas was my first order from Subtank Supply, and they performed excellently. I'll definitely order from them again.
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I don't know.
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Since they ended up coming back to you I'd say it was an issue with the packaging or label. If it doesn't contain batteries or juice, stuff typically goes over well when ordered from China. Just takes a while, unless you DHL it.
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FT thought it was the shape of the package. If it could possibly resemble batteries or juice, it was rejected. All they had to do was handle it to know it wasn't. Soft and squishy and very light.
Filling BOREAS
Fill it with JFC/AFC close
Shut top cap
Flip it, wait for juice drips.... When it stop
Open one air hole
Flip it back... Bubbles bubbles
Do quick pulls with out power button
YOU GOOD TO GO
VAPE IT
EJ you're the best. I tried all the other methods and had a little bit of leaking, beyond a couple of drops, through the AFC/JFC. This is the only method that worked for me. Zero leaks!
Thanks again!
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When you fill it, tilt it upside down BEFORE you close the AFC/JFC off, then close it off, flip it back up and then fill it, flip again, open and then wait. There's no leaking this way, it clears all the juice out of the wicking area around the deck before filling. Bottom filling works too. I usually just deal with the one hit worth of spitback for quickness, it's not a big deal. If you're getting a LOT of leaking after filling, maybe use more wicking in the deck or use the deck with smaller JFC holes.
I just don't like to be gouged.
So I take it you buy G-Plat also
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I've tried the sterilized medical cotton and while it wicks like the cotton bacon I got an off taste and it had a break in time. I don't get the off taste with the cotton bacon and it's worth the extra $ for me.
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Lol! When I managed 200W, I knew it wasn't a problem for good builders!
A funny memory that will always be with me: before I got started many asked me what kind of build would be needed, and I had to truthfully admit, "I don't know!".
Actually I buy wire from Kidney Puncher as its quality Sandvik wire, smelted in Sweden and Milled in America. I dont trust many other cheaper brands anymore as they usually have oil residue or a faint odd taste to them. Just because you dont agree with someone else's choices doesnt make them any less of a person then you are. Condescending statements and accusations can be placed over anything, its just a matter of what you believe in and the choices that you, yourself make. I never told you not to buy the cotton you chose to buy or cared when you said that you would rather buy the Dental Cotton, Im not going to try and make you out to look ridiculous after just because I choose to buy something else...you justify what you buy because your reasoning due to its cost, I choose to buy it because I like it and I dont mind paying the price..I just don't like to be gouged.
So I take it you buy G-Plat also
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I dont think $3 is that bad...
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Vaping at 120W. Flavor is very nice.
Don't think I'm going above 120W and certainly I am not going up to 200W.
Of course you should never say never.
I said that, too. But, had to test it and find out
I knew it would do 150W easy. We still don't know it's upper limit. Raymo went to 240W? And it said it could do more, lol!