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~Don~

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Bluenatic said:
Thanks for the update, great info! I love the looks so I'll grab one. Shame about the finish, I'm a matte black fan. Like, paint is already chipping on you bad? How do you like the throw? I've never owned a VC tube so I'm a bit curious.
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I think mine was used... it came with chips in the paint at the mid break and some wear lines when you screw it together... hasnt flaked away... nor can you see it when the mod is together.
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It's a Chinese mod, so done to Chinese Standards when painted. I mean its $115... can't expect perfect media blasted copper, acetone cleaned then Cerakoted perfectly for that price ;)

But like I said, can't see it... til I replace the battery.

There will be some that were done with media blasting, cerakoted correctly coming down the line soon... but they wont be the $115 variety ... probably closer to $190... which... if you got one, of the Brass, or Copper black ones and it truly bugged you... $42 and it can be cerakoted by Purge
 
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Very true. My buddy got a couple mods finished by Palmer's Powders a couple years ago that have held up quite nice. Maybe a little table rash/atty rash but that's all. I think he charges $35 for all black, more for different colors. If Purge's finishes hold up that would be awesome. The more places that customize the better. I have a few tubes I'd like done but I always end up putting that money towards more gear lol
 
Carambrda

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~Don~ said:
So I wanted to touch on this again.

I figured out the issue with its nasty voltage loss and remedied it.

What I thought was spotless clean (threads) the Comp S dual springs and its carrier also needed deep cleaning.

I thought I cleaned it well... wasn’t the case...

Fully tore it down removing the springs and hand cleaning them, and polished the grooves which the comp springs rest... this made it go from utter piece of shit 3.59v at .10 to 3.776v at .10 on 30Ts depreciating.

Significant enough to warrant me updating you in case you took my previous response as a put off.

As it stands now I am keeping it

Still not the hardest hitting mod with the factory silver plated copper... the ones you posted are .925 and worse than SPCs in my testing.

Only thing I can fault now is the paint is not the most durable, so consider the brass or stainless when it comes out or one of the custom colors due out soon.

And that it comes filthy

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The only key purpose of upgrading the contacts of a mech mod (any well-engineered mech mod) with solid silver ones is NOT to improve the voltage drop in any significant way. Instead, it is to get comparatively─compared to bare copper─slower oxidation and reduced arcing or to eliminate the problem of silver plating wearing off pretty fast. So it's about maintenance/durability and basically that's just it. Contrary to popular (read: noob-ish) belief. :):)

As for the black finish starting to peel off quite easily, I've seen the same thing happen to two identical black XXX mods (that were not mine), which explains why I only have that one in brass (stacked, upgraded to the Comp-S, plus the XXV, plus the Fat Heat), anodized aluminum purple plasma (stacked), anodized aluminum red plasma (stacked), and shiny copper (double-stacked, plus the XXV)... I do have one extra extension piece for the XXX mod in black, though, but because the black finish is easy to remove and it's still copper underneath I can always decide to use that for my triple-stacking, errr... needs. :p
 
~Don~

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Carambrda said:
The only key purpose of upgrading the contacts of a mech mod (any well-engineered mech mod) with solid silver ones is NOT to improve the voltage drop in any significant way. Instead, it is to get comparatively─compared to bare copper─slower oxidation and reduced arcing or to eliminate the problem of silver plating wearing off pretty fast. So it's about maintenance
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Solid silver is a loose term easily mistaken and interchanged with pure silver or .999 silver which in fact does increase conductivity even over pure copper and that will scale with a well engineered or not mech

As for the only key purpose... that’s conjecture... pure copper having 101% IACS vs pure silver having 106% is akin to your penis not benefitting from being 5% bigger... your girl (or guy/both no judging) would beg to differ

I do agree with the rest of your assessments.

Again I do hate being the type that is applied voltage first... has me never wanting to buy the “higher end” mods, only to stick a DMM on it and get a reading much lower than let’s say that $66 Arcless with Stack section...

Wish I had a buddy who was the high end mech user... and let me take his mods for a spin... so I could forever say, “sure everything is perfect, threads, materials, switch, makes dinner for you, but it hits like a sack of mushy potatoes”

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

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dubya314

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Oh yeah, usps finally decided to deliver that @MrMeowgi mail:bliss:
The Lighthouse is everything I hoped and then some, just love the detail. And the unbelievably generous add ins. Thanks so much Catman.. Always wishing you the best.
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And my Ez Dripper bottles showed up today! So stoked to try them. They did not send what I ordered, but no chance in hell I am arguing right now
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Carambrda

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~Don~ said:
Solid silver is a loose term easily mistaken and interchanged with pure silver or .999 silver which in fact does increase conductivity even over pure copper and that will scale with a well engineered or not mech

As for the only key purpose... that’s conjecture... pure copper having 101% IACS vs pure silver having 106% is akin to your penis not benefitting from being 5% bigger... your girl (or guy/both no judging) would beg to differ

I do agree with the rest of your assessments.

Again I do hate being the type that is applied voltage first... has me never wanting to buy the “higher end” mods, only to stick a DMM on it and get a reading much lower than let’s say that $66 Arcless with Stack section...

Wish I had a buddy who was the high end mech user... and let me take his mods for a spin... so I could forever say, “sure everything is perfect, threads, materials, switch, makes dinner for you, but it hits like a sack of mushy potatoes”

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

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I disagree with you about the conductivity part. It makes no significant difference when it comes to how hard a well-engineered (notice how I never said anything about being high end?) mech mod hits after it's cleaned, and neither does your or anyone else's penis BTW. The reason why the conductivity matters not is because the total surface area of the patch, which varies with every button press due to surface irregularities in cohort with arcing damage plus variable movement and mechanical stress on contact make, is still the dominant factor by an astronomical huge margin.

To better understand how the resistance is affected by the contacts, think of the contact patch as a bunch of conductors, or irregular-shape "wires" hooked up in a parallel config. The areas that separate them spatially being where the two metal surfaces pressed flat against each other do not touch. In a well-engineered, properly maintained, cleaned, mech mod the combined thicknesses of these multiple "wires" is still going to be so thick compared to their individual lengths, you might just as well be thinking of, what? An 18g single piece of wire that measures something like maybe only one hundredth of a millimeter in length? It doesn't make a difference what metal type the piece of wire is made of. Don't want to believe? Then go ahead and calculate the resistance of a Kanthal piece of wire following the aforementioned example wire dimensions. Next, do the same for SS 316L using those same wire dimensions. That's right, bud... the difference in resistance resulting from the metal type is still orders of magnitude too small for any human to be capable to feel that effect by vaping. So there's your reality check. Well-engineered just means the contact patch has to be a little bit bigger than your penis. That's all.

P.S. - What I don't like about that $66 Arcless beside the way that it looks is, Mooch posted a video the other day, showing that the Arcless, errr... hmm... how shall I put this essentially? Alrighty then. It arcs. ?
 
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~Don~

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Carambrda said:
I disagree with you about the conductivity part. It makes no significant difference when it comes to how hard a well-engineered (notice how I never said anything about being high end?) mech mod hits after it's cleaned, and neither does your or anyone else's penis BTW. The reason why the conductivity matters not is because the total surface area of the patch, which varies with every button press due to surface irregularities in cohort with arcing damage plus variable movement and mechanical stress on contact make, is still the dominant factor by an astronomical huge margin.

To better understand how the resistance is affected by the contacts, think of the contact patch as a bunch of conductors, or irregular-shape "wires" hooked up in a parallel config. The areas that separate them spatially being where the two metal surfaces pressed flat against each other do not touch. In a well-engineered, properly maintained, cleaned, mech mod the combined thicknesses of these multiple "wires" is still going to be so thick compared to their individual lengths, you might just as well be thinking of, what? An 18g single piece of wire that measures something like maybe only one hundredth of a millimeter in length? It doesn't make a difference what metal type the piece of wire is made of. Don't want to believe? Then go ahead and calculate the resistance of a Kanthal piece of wire following the aforementioned example wire dimensions. Next, do the same for SS 316L using those same wire dimensions. That's right, bud... the difference in resistance resulting from the metal type is still orders of magnitude too small for any human to be capable to feel that effect by vaping. So there's your reality check. Well-engineered just means the contact patch has to be a little bit bigger than your penis. That's all.

P.S. - What I don't like about that $66 Arcless beside the way that it looks is, Mooch posted a video the other day, showing that the Arcless, errr... hmm... how shall I put this essentially? Alrighty then. It arcs.
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You’re changing the tune.

Anyhoo...


I’ll concede that 5% isn’t a great deal considering the “different points” you’re making about contact surface and button pressing et al... you just have to concede in knowing your initial comment was also vague and dismissive along with being half assed... especially coming from Mr. Run on Paragraph

5% is still better
 
Carambrda

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~Don~ said:
You’re changing the tune.

Anyhoo...


I’ll concede that 5% isn’t a great deal considering the “different points” you’re making about contact surface and button pressing et al... you just have to concede in knowing your initial comment was also vague and dismissive along with being half assed... especially coming from Mr. Run on Paragraph

5% is still better
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Sorry, but no, when talking about the effect it has on the total amount of voltage drop that occurs in the mech mod as a whole, which is the only factor that is relevant because you were talking about how hard the mod hits, it's not 5% nor anywhere close to that. You are just confusing the conductivity [of the metal type] with the resistance [of the contact patch between the two metal surfaces coming in contact]. That is not vague. That is just what a lot of kids learn in high school during physics class at the age of barely 14. As for the length of paragraphs and the grammar police, lets make a deal. You quit writing noob remarks of how simple physics knowledge applies to real-world implementations as if you were smarter than a normal 14yo, and I'll quit writing long paragraphs the length of which is commonly more suitable for academic writing. Academic, which high school isn't. So now you know why I did that on purpose. It's so people like you might stop being such a penis by showing a bit of respect to those who do have some proper knowledge of simple physics. There. I am making it official now. You, Sir, are just a noob.
 
~Don~

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Carambrda said:
Sorry, but no, when talking about the effect it has on the total amount of voltage drop that occurs in the mech mod as a whole, which is the only factor that is relevant because you were talking about how hard the mod hits, it's not 5% nor anywhere close to that. You are just confusing the conductivity [of the metal type] with the resistance [of the contact patch between the two metal surfaces coming in contact]. That is not vague. That is just what a lot of kids learn in high school during physics class at the age of barely 14. As for the length of paragraphs and the grammar police, lets make a deal. You quit writing noob remarks of how simple physics knowledge applies to real-world implementations as if you were smarter than a normal 14yo, and I'll quit writing long paragraphs the length of which is commonly more suitable for academic writing. Academic, which high school isn't. So now you know why I did that on purpose. It's so people like you might stop being such a penis by showing a bit of respect to those who do have some proper knowledge of simple physics. There. I am making it official now. You, Sir, are just a noob.
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No I’m not.

No matter the contact surface area.. or how it’s pressed or how it’s not pressed... the 5% is always there.

By your example of a press of the button never being the same, you’re also saying that the benefit of .999 silver if that exact press I made with pure copper it being pure silver wouldn’t be 5% better... and that’s just false.
 
~Don~

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Again I only respond based upon your first response to me... regarding the only key purpose...

And you should know that the only responses I’ve had is which metal is better as a conductor.

Calling me a noob is rather a badge of honor coming from you cause it means at one time you thought differently... not that I truly care(d)...

I don’t need or didn’t need to go into the totality of how a mod is built nor go into how that 5% translate across the spectrum of a mod... you walked into that and went all Carambrda about it, which I knew you would. I gave a view of the contacts only, and already deferred the totality points you made...

5% is better

apologies that the little 12 spaces of text ran so deep... I guess 5% is a big deal

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In closing... I have no I’ll will towards you, can easily say you’re smarter, but in this instance and in my opinion (right or wrong to you) you went a little further than truly needed.. all because someone has a differing opinion on metal conductivity.

I am done with this and washing my hands of it... you can respond for posterity and or for reasons of Carambrda... it’s your right... just know even if quoted I won’t read it...

Happy Holidays to you and yours Mr. Willy
 
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dubya314 said:
Oh yeah, usps finally decided to deliver that @MrMeowgi mail:bliss:
The Lighthouse is everything I hoped and then some, just love the detail. And the unbelievably generous add ins. Thanks so much Catman.. Always wishing you the best.
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And my Ez Dripper bottles showed up today! So stoked to try them. They did not send what I ordered, but no chance in hell I am arguing right now
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Hell yea man finally. Starting to worry me with all this late mail. I've got to get back on there and see what all is still in limbo. My mail being stalled as well. Terrible season for mail.

Sent from my LM-Q730 using Tapatalk
 
Carambrda

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~Don~ said:
the 5% is always there.
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5% as far as the conductivity of the metal type goes, yes of course, but not as far as the part of the total resistance that is resulting from the actual contact patch goes. Simple high school physics 101.
 
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~Don~ said:
And you should know that the only responses I’ve had is which metal is better as a conductor.
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TL; DR... it does not matter to how it vapes. The resistance of an 18g piece of Kanthal wire that is 0.01mm long is only 0.0000176 ohms, which is orders of magnitude too small for any human person to feel it by vaping so, even if it were possible to make it 99% better conducting, the net result will be the same, that you can not feel it.
 
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This morning, I received my cheap little eleaf Pico squeeze 2, of which I switched out the drip tip for something taller. Then, I put on one of them deals for holding a cell phone in a car, because it works just fine and dandy for holding a vape mod when it ain't in my hand.
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Smigo

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Fastest delivery ever. Ordered Monday night came today Wednesday midday from Melbourne!
Most of the concentrates are for the misses cooking. Just 2 are mine. The Flavorah Ginger and err...um....the E Caffeine. Have seen the Caff for years and thought "nah thats nuts" but curiosity got the better of me. :giggle: I finally succumbed to the stupid inner me.
Also got a Aegis Max and 21700 Molicell.
All from a Ho Ho Ho Xmas sale ?
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It has arrived! You know, I have never cared for gold tanks but when I saw the pictures of this, I knew I wanted to have it in my collection. It's absolutely stunning. Not sure which mod I like it on best, I'm leaning towards the purple.

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Got this little doo dad in today also. The 510 adapter for the RPM80. I grabbed a second one for a dear friend too. Works as expected and kind of nice to have

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debinnv said:
It has arrived! You know, I have never cared for gold tanks but when I saw the pictures of this, I knew I wanted to have it in my collection. It's absolutely stunning. Not sure which mod I like it on best, I'm leaning towards the purple.

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Got this little doo dad in today also. The 510 adapter for the RPM80. I grabbed a second one for a dear friend too. Works as expected and kind of nice to have

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That plus is beautiful!

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debinnv said:
It has arrived! You know, I have never cared for gold tanks but when I saw the pictures of this, I knew I wanted to have it in my collection. It's absolutely stunning. Not sure which mod I like it on best, I'm leaning towards the purple.

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That is nice! Esp on the purple. Really like that the deck behind the af is also gold and the locks aren't as noticeable. Good color consistency.
 
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debinnv said:
It has arrived! You know, I have never cared for gold tanks but when I saw the pictures of this, I knew I wanted to have it in my collection. It's absolutely stunning. Not sure which mod I like it on best, I'm leaning towards the purple.

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I never cared for the gold tanks/rdas either. However that purple setup looks sweet!!
 
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My vape mail is taking the scenic tour as I have never seen before. They were in my city out for delivery and then took the package miles away to another city it had already come from. Oh well, maybe today or Saturday.
 
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Pastorfuzz said:
From Vaping Delights. Point Blank V2, Asgards, Trinity Glass View attachment 175272View attachment 175273View attachment 175274and Series decks
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And a Corsair mouse. You forgot that part.

The Point Blank is possibly the coolest mod ever devised. I just cannot afford that much money on a single mod. I need to stumble over somebody with a used one in mint condition for about half the price. That has happened with other stuff. One can hope. :D

The Asgard Mini will be awesome on there.
 
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gsmit1 said:
And a Corsair mouse. You forgot that part.

The Point Blank is possibly the coolest mod ever devised. I just cannot afford that much money on a single mod. I need to stumble over somebody with a used one in mint condition for about half the price. That has happened with other stuff. One can hope. :D

The Asgard Mini will be awesome on there.
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I got my Point Blank from a local vape shop. They had a used section and was just informed that day that they couldn't sell used gear anymore, so he sold me the whole section for $150. I got around 8 atties and 5 mods. There were probably 3 good mods, and 3 or 4 good atties. That was the best deal I have ever got on vape gear.
 
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Syythe said:
I got my Point Blank from a local vape shop. They had a used section and was just informed that day that they couldn't sell used gear anymore, so he sold me the whole section for $150. I got around 8 atties and 5 mods. There were probably 3 good mods, and 3 or 4 good atties. That was the best deal I have ever got on vape gear.
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You can also find some good authentic gear at Pawn Shops.
 
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Syythe said:
I got my Point Blank from a local vape shop. They had a used section and was just informed that day that they couldn't sell used gear anymore, so he sold me the whole section for $150. I got around 8 atties and 5 mods. There were probably 3 good mods, and 3 or 4 good atties. That was the best deal I have ever got on vape gear.
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