To Date which US Presidential candidate will you be voting for & why?

[HazyShades]

The first slave owner in America was black ironically.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

There were many black slave owners, often freedmen.
The civil war was not fought over slavery and many Republicans owned plenty of cheap labor.

 

[HazyShades]

How the FBI and ATF are aiding the Las Vegas shooting investigation
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...-aiding-the-las-vegas-shooting-investigation/

Investigation could take years huh?

I'll give the story credibility when
" A painstaking investigation is being carried out by federal agencies assisting Las Vegas law enforcement officials piecing together a puzzle left by the gunman responsible for the mass shooting at the Route 91 Harvest music festival" the above says gunmen instead of gunman

 

[Tpat591]

I'll give the story credibility when
" A painstaking investigation is being carried out by federal agencies assisting Las Vegas law enforcement officials piecing together a puzzle left by the gunman responsible for the mass shooting at the Route 91 Harvest music festival" the above says gunmen instead of gunman

You got any comment on the videos of the 17 ambulances lined up pulling bodies out of the Hooters in Vegas the night of the shooting that recently surfaced? I'm sure you have formulated a few opinions. You think:

• Hooters just became a Triage site for many legitimate victims at the fairgrounds as it was closest building with medical office offering shelter.
  
• Hooters had a separate gunmen that inflicted multiple casualties in addition to the Paddock event.
  
• Hooters was an NWO False Flag site for pre-positioning of "casualties" in a false flag scenario.

 

[Time]

You didn't read what dog whistling is. It isn't mind reading or twisting words. It is using words that sound innocuous to the unaware but has very specific meanings to people that are.

No need to panic.

And, you read my mind to know that I didn't read what you posted?

I read it. My point was quite clear. Unless you can read minds, you don't know if he intentionally used words that sound innocuous to the unaware but has very specific meanings to people that are, or if he used words without giving any thought as to how you or anyone else would interpret them because they were innocuous to begin with.

In other words, words that sound innocuous can indeed be innocuous.

A dog whistle in political terms is simply a way to accuse someone of something without actual proof. It's a way for you to claim a person meant one thing when they had said something else.

 

[Polargirl]

There were many black slave owners, often freedmen.
The civil war was not fought over slavery and many Republicans owned plenty of cheap labor.

The Civil War was fought over tariffs. Democrats try to dismiss this assumption based on a 30% tariff rate at the outbreak of the Civil War that was in place for a few decades before completely ignoring how the balance of power changed by the 1860 election would have changed the tariff rate.

The war wasn't worth the cost if all it were is the south seceding as slavery was only profitable on cotton and sugar plantations which the upper south didn't have hardly if any.

The NYC Draft Riots are a complete misnomer. It was a successful insurrection effectively rendering Manhattan a sovereign nation. Military troops never would have abandoned engaging a national security threat in Pennsylvania to put down a public safety one in NYC over a riot.

The NYC threat was a more urgent national security threat since the locals like Tammany Hall Boss Tweed or others would have exploited the situation far worse had they been aware of their defacto sovereignty rather than underestimate it as unimpeded looting.

This would have triggered many other succession movements in the north since new industrialists and free soil farmers were in conflict with each other almost as much as slave states. California certainly would have proclaimed its sovereignty as well if that happened.

The breakup of the entire union and not just the south is what justified the cost to the Northern Government.

 

[HazyShades]

You got any comment on the videos of the 17 ambulances lined up pulling bodies out of the Hooters in Vegas the night of the shooting that recently surfaced? I'm sure you have formulated a few opinions. You think:

• Hooters just became a Triage site for many legitimate victims at the fairgrounds as it was closest building with medical office offering shelter.
  
• Hooters had a separate gunmen that inflicted multiple casualties in addition to the Paddock event.
  
• Hooters was an NWO False Flag site for pre-positioning of "casualties" in a false flag scenario.

LOL..yes to the latter two. Medical office at Hooters? Otay...

 

[HazyShades]

you don't know if he intentionally used words that sound innocuous to the unaware but has very specific meanings to people that are, or if he used words without giving any thought as to how you or anyone else would interpret them because they were innocuous to begin with

I think Polar is being more than generous with the dog whistle.
PV is a blatant bigot. If you can't see it it's either because you're dense or don't want to...or something else.
But his objection to MEXICANS goes well beyond their strain on California's infrastructure
or that many are illegal. He just dislikes non whites and excuses it by claiming his family
is of dubious color.

 

[Polargirl]

And, you read my mind to know that I didn't read what you posted?

I read it. My point was quite clear. Unless you can read minds, you don't know if he intentionally used words that sound innocuous to the unaware but has very specific meanings to people that are, or if he used words without giving any thought as to how you or anyone else would interpret them because they were innocuous to begin with.

In other words, words that sound innocuous can indeed be innocuous.

A dog whistle in political terms is simply a way to accuse someone of something without actual proof. It's a way for you to claim a person meant one thing when they had said something else.

Like with Libertarianism, you keep defining things based on your own definitions rather than a commonly accepted one hence the reason I had to post a page from the LP website. It is impossible to communicate with someone who does that since accepted parameters are essential to communication.

If you link me to a site that defines dog whistling as mind reading, we might be able to continue this conversation. I likely will be able to continue a conversation based on those parameters but not on ones known only to you.

 

[Polargirl]

I think Polar is being more than generous with the dog whistle.
PV is a blatant bigot. If you can't see it it's either because you're dense or don't want to...or something else.
But his objection to MEXICANS goes well beyond their strain on California's infrastructure
or that many are illegal. He just dislikes non whites and excuses it by claiming his family is of color.

The thing is, I wouldn't care if he was a bigot if he'd only be straight up about it. It is the cowardice and hypocrisy that annoys me. Even the alt-right mocks people like this with the term, "cuckservative".

 

[HazyShades]

Like with Libertarianism, you keep defining things based on your own definitions rather than a commonly accepted one hence the reason I had to post a page from the LP website. It is impossible to communicate with someone who does that since accepted parameters are essential to communication.

If you link me to a site that defines dog whistling as mind reading, we might be able to continue this conversation. I likely will be able to continue a conversation based on those parameters but not on ones known only to you.

Wow.. Since I tend to resort to Webster's I often find myself having the same issue with a couple of my colleagues here...
At least it isn't as bad as at ECF where I found that I had to look up the words I used in the urban dictionary lest I break any rules

 

[Tpat591]

LOL..yes to the latter two. Medical office at Hooters? Otay...

Always thought a hotel/casino servicing large numbers as Topicana/Hooters complex did would have a medical office capable of early treatment of minor medical issues prior to transport to hospital in situations like cardiac arrest events, just like we had a Medical Office and Two Ambulances staged at Madison Square Garden for each & every event held there. Actually thought it was required in large venues.

 

[HazyShades]

The thing is, I wouldn't care if he was a bigot if he'd only be straight up about it. It is the cowardice and hypocrisy that annoys me. Even the alt-right mocks people like this with the term, "cuckservative".

Oh, me neither. Some of my best friends are bigots..in fact I can be a bit bigoted also.
Yes, Polar. PV is totally full of it.
He's very sensitive also..He can dish it out but goes crying to his..dog when he gets a taste of his own poop

 

[HazyShades]

Always thought a hotel/casino servicing large numbers as Topicana/Hooters complex did would have a medical office capable of early treatment of minor medical issues prior to transport to hospital in situations like cardiac arrest events, just like we had a Medical Office and Two Ambulances staged at Madison Square Garden for each & every event held there. Actually thought it was required in large venues.

I don't know, Pat.
Seems to me they wouldn't need a medical office for drunks..heck they don't even have nurses at public schools anymore.
I don't think they give a damn about cardiac arrests or they would make the waitresses wear real clothes..
Madison Square is different..People beat the shit out of each other and often get concussions.

 

[Time]

I think Polar is being more than generous with the dog whistle.
PV is a blatant bigot. If you can't see it it's either because you're dense or don't want to...or something else.
But his objection to MEXICANS goes well beyond their strain on California's infrastructure
or that many are illegal. He just dislikes non whites and excuses it by claiming his family
is of dubious color.

LOL.

Pulse put his dick in ya again or are you still assburnt over the last fucking he gave ya?

 

[Tpat591]

I don't know, Pat.
Seems to me they wouldn't need a medical office for drunks..heck they don't even have nurses at public schools anymore.
I don't think they give a damn about cardiac arrests or they would make the waitresses wear real clothes..
Madison Square is different..People beat the shit out of each other and often get concussions.

Drunks tend to fall down on occasion, and you have already raised the issue of wardrobe effects on some elderly.....

 

[Tpat591]

I don't get the impression Pulse is a bigot, just fed up at liberal definitions as to what is bigoted and what is acceptable behavior when all they do is exude and exacerbate racism to divide at every single opportunity. It is a justifiable response.

Crotchety yes, Bigoted - I don't really think so.

 

[Polargirl]

Wow.. Since I tend to resort to Webster's I often find myself having the same issue with a couple of my colleagues here...
At least it isn't as bad as at ECF where I found that I had to look up the words I used in the urban dictionary lest I break any rules

Definition of dog whistle
1:a whistle to call or direct a dog; especially ne sounding at a frequency inaudible to the human ear
2politics :an expression or statement that has a secondary meaning intended to be understood only by a particular group of people

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/dog-whistle-political-meaning
----------------------------
Nothing about mind reading there. It seems to say the same thing as the Wikipedia link more or less.

 

[Time]

Like with Libertarianism, you keep defining things based on your own definitions rather than a commonly accepted one hence the reason I had to post a page from the LP website. It is impossible to communicate with someone who does that since accepted parameters are essential to communication.

If you link me to a site that defines dog whistling as mind reading, we might be able to continue this conversation. I likely will be able to continue a conversation based on those parameters but not on ones known only to you.

I didn't claim dog whistling is mind reading.

I said YOU are claiming to mind read.

You are either intentionally obtuse or your not as intelligent as I hoped. Since I can't read minds, I'll have wait for more information(more of your posts) to get a better idea of which it is. The Bernie vote gives me a starting point though...............

 

[Tpat591]

The Bernie vote gives me a starting point though...............

Truer words.....

 

[Polargirl]

I didn't claim dog whistling is mind reading.

I said YOU are claiming to mind read.

You are either intentionally obtuse or your not as intelligent as I hoped. Since I can't read minds, I'll have wait for more information(more of your posts) to get a better idea of which it is. The Bernie vote gives me a starting point though...............

Now where did I claim to mind read? Lol

 

[Polargirl]

I don't get the impression Pulse is a bigot, just fed up at liberal definitions as to what is bigoted and what is acceptable behavior when all they do is exude and exacerbate racism to divide at every single opportunity. It is a justifiable response.

Crotchety yes, Bigoted - I don't really think so.

I could care less if he were. If he is, at least not be a cuckservative about it.

 

[HazyShades]

LOL.

Pulse put his dick in ya again or are you still assburnt over the last fucking he gave ya?

What, you jealous? Both of you assholes support each other's bullshit all the time
but I have yet to see where either you or that dumbshit @pulsevape made any winning arguments...
You guys only do emotional assertions and baseless insults.
Pulse spouts unprovable drunken opinions and you just spew stupidity.

Maybe when you boys learn to speak Ingles we can have a real discussion...but I doubt it
as you'd have to drop back into elementary school.

 

[Rossum]

I could care less if he were. If he is, at least not be a cuckservative about it.

 

[HazyShades]

I don't get the impression Pulse is a bigot, just fed up at liberal definitions as to what is bigoted and what is acceptable behavior when all they do is exude and exacerbate racism to divide at every single opportunity. It is a justifiable response.

Crotchety yes, Bigoted - I don't really think so.

Oh boy..I respect you, Pat..Because of that I hate to throw the dictionary at you.
big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun

1. a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
   "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
   synonyms: chauvinist, partisan, sectarian;

 

[HazyShades]

Oh boy..I respect you, Pat..Because of that I hate to throw the dictionary at you.
big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun

1. a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
   "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
   synonyms: chauvinist, partisan, sectarian;

crotch·et·y
ˈkräCHədē/
adjective

1. irritable.
   "he was tired and crotchety"
   synonyms: bad-tempered, irascible, irritable, grumpy, grouchy, cantankerous, short-tempered, tetchy, testy, curmudgeonly, ill-tempered, ill-humored, ill-natured, cross-grained, peevish, cross, fractious, pettish, waspish, crabbed, crabby, crusty, prickly, touchy, snappish, snappy, cranky, ornery
   "it's the dreadful arthritis that has made him so crotchety"

 

[HazyShades]

crotch·et·y
ˈkräCHədē/
adjective

1. irritable.
   "he was tired and crotchety"
   synonyms: bad-tempered, irascible, irritable, grumpy, grouchy, cantankerous, short-tempered, tetchy, testy, curmudgeonly, ill-tempered, ill-humored, ill-natured, cross-grained, peevish, cross, fractious, pettish, waspish, crabbed, crabby, crusty, prickly, touchy, snappish, snappy, cranky, ornery
   "it's the dreadful arthritis that has made him so crotchety"

I'd say Pulse is a crotchety bigot..stupid as heck too.

 

[Tpat591]

I'd say Pulse is a crotchety bigot..stupid as heck too.

Your on a real roll this evening aren't ya Hazy?

 

[Time]

Now where did I claim to mind read? Lol

Right here;

Why do you get so triggered by your dog whistling coded racist conspiracy theories when it gets too close to saying like you mean -- just like you did with Caitlin Jenner above.

And the best part is, Pulse didn't mention Bruce Jenner. That was somebody else's post that you attributed to Pulse while you "read his mind". He didn't even hit the like button on that post.

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Not only are you claiming you can read minds("when it gets close to saying it like you mean"), you're using other peoples posts to do it.

 

[Polargirl]

Right here;



And the best part is, Pulse didn't mention Bruce Jenner. That was somebody else's post that you attributed to Pulse while you "read his mind". He didn't even hit the like button on that post.



Not only are you claiming you can read minds("when it gets close to saying it like you mean"), you're using other peoples posts to do it.

Calling people people out for liking a bigoted post is mind reading. I guess saying that deadnaming Jenner on your part is also "mind reading". Lol.

 

[Time]

What, you jealous? Both of you assholes support each other's bullshit all the time
but I have yet to see where either you or that dumbshit @pulsevape made any winning arguments...
You guys only do emotional assertions and baseless insults.
Pulse spouts unprovable drunken opinions and you just spew stupidity.

Maybe when you boys learn to speak Ingles we can have a real discussion...but I doubt it
as you'd have to drop back into elementary school.

Fuck off, I ain't on your lawn old man.

I didn't say a word to you and you come out saying I'm dense;

because you're dense

and you call me a dog;

He can dish it out but goes crying to his..dog

If you start it, I'm gonna finish it. You stuck your nose into the conversation so quit fucking whining. Nobody mentioned you.

 

[HazyShades]

Your on a real roll this evening aren't ya Hazy?

No, not all. Just trying to state my opinion using the accepted definition of words in a civil manner.
Both Pulsevape and /Time don't seem to know the definition of discussion or civility, let alone civil discussion.
A cursory inventory of this thread demonstrates ample proof that neither of them
welcomes opinions different from their dogmatic opinions or experiences different from their limited life experience.
Not everybody has grown up on the farm..not everybody appreciates being treated like livestock.

In the past year alone Pulsevape has insulted EVERYBODY who doesn't toe his particular bizarre line
and his boy Time follows right along kissing up to Pulse's words and vice-versa.

I happen to agree with Polarchick and can't condone their wholesale insults
not am I ready to continue to put up with Time's asinine uneducated retorts.

Maybe their animals will put up with it but not this vaper.
I think a first move other than the mutual respect that their family's did not teach them to have
is to use the same language.
A bigot is a bigot even if and when you agree with the bigot's politics.
An idiot is an idiot even when he occasionally proves to be an idiot savant.
If you want to call that being "on a roll"...LOL, I'm rolling.

 

[Time]

Calling people people out for liking a bigoted post is mind reading. I guess saying that deadnaming Jenner on your part is also "mind reading". Lol.

Go back to the post. He didn't post it and he didn't like it. Apparently, I'm a better mind reader than you.

And if you'll twist his words into a dog whistle, I have no reason to believe you won't do it to mine or anyone else.

It didn't take long before you accused someone else, did it?

That right there is why you won't get any respect.

 

[HazyShades]

Fuck off, I ain't on your lawn old man.

I didn't say a word to you and you come out saying I'm dense;



and you call me a dog;



If you start it, I'm gonna finish it. You stuck your nose into the conversation so quit fucking whining. Nobody mentioned you.

There you are showing us how witty you aren't.
Hey dumbshit..this is a discussion. You have a right to kiss up to the imbecile pulsevape
and I have a right to butt in when you two idiots insult Polarchick.
If you don't like it go practice bestiality with those too stupid to realize what you're doing.

No, I didn't call you a dog..I have much respect for dogs. You're just an imbecile with airs of grandeur.

Look, some of us pay attention.
You've said on this forum that you've been convicted of a felony.
If you have been convicted of a felony you do not have the right to vote.
Tell us how the fuck you rationalize taking part in this thread.
I'll fill in the blank for ya, convict. You're full of shit and have no clue about rules.

Moreover fatboy. Call me an old man!? You should live this long and be as healthy.
Judging from the size of your man boobs you won't...

Keep trying.

 

[HazyShades]

Go back to the post. He didn't post it and he didn't like it. Apparently, I'm a better mind reader than you.



It didn't take long before you accused someone else, did it?

That right there is why you won't get any respect.

Maybe she will and maybe she won't..but you don't have any except for your "old man". LOL
That says a lot but you're too fucking stupid to read between the lines

 

[Time]

No, not all. Just trying to state my opinion using the accepted definition of words in a civil manner.
Both Pulsevape and /Time don't seem to know the definition of discussion or civility, let alone civil discussion.
A cursory inventory of this thread demonstrates ample proof that neither of them
welcomes opinions different from their dogmatic opinions or experiences different from their limited life experience.
Not everybody has grown up on the farm..not everybody appreciates being treated like livestock.

In the past year alone Pulsevape has insulted EVERYBODY who doesn't toe his particular bizarre line
and his boy Time follows right along kissing up to Pulse's words and vice-versa.

I happen to agree with Polarchick and can't condone their wholesale insults
not am I ready to continue to put up with Time's asinine uneducated retorts.

Maybe their animals will put up with it but not this vaper.
I think a first move other than the mutual respect that their family's did not teach them to have
is to use the same language.
A bigot is a bigot even if and when you agree with the bigot's politics.
An idiot is an idiot even when he occasionally proves to be an idiot savant.
If you want to call that being "on a roll"...LOL, I'm rolling.

LOL. Pot calling the kettle black.

Nobody was talking to you and you come and insult, and then accuse others about not being civil?

Your fucking dementia is kicking in again.

 

[Time]

Look, some of us pay attention.
You've said on this forum that you've been convicted of a felony.
If you have been convicted of a felony you do not have the right to vote.
Tell us how the fuck you rationalize taking part in this thread.
I'll fill in the blank for ya, convict. You're full of shit and have no clue about rules.

There you are showing just how fucking libtarded you really are.

I am a felon. And I do vote.

http://www.idahovotes.gov/registration_faq.shtml

If you meet the other qualifications to register to vote, but have been convicted of a felony (in Idaho, or any other jurisdiction), your civil rights for voting purposes are automatically restored upon completion of your sentence, including any probation or parole.

Moreover fatboy. Call me an old man!? You should live this long and be as healthy.
Judging from the size of your man boobs you won't...

So, you can walk without a walker? That says nothing about your brain and your posts show a serious clue to dementia. It doesn't matter if the house moves if there ain't nobody home.

 

[Polargirl]

Go back to the post. He didn't post it and he didn't like it. Apparently, I'm a better mind reader than you.



It didn't take long before you accused someone else, did it?

That right there is why you won't get any respect.

There is an unlike function you know.

Except that wasn't a dog whistle. That was straight up trans bashing on your part. If only Pulse did that with race and wasn't a hypocrite, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Time]

That says a lot but you're too fucking stupid to read between the lines

Read between these lines

 

[Time]

There is an unlike function you know.

Except that wasn't a dog whistle. That was straight up trans bashing on your part. If only Pulse did that with race and wasn't a hypocrite, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Ahahahahahaha.

Keep moving the goal post, Sunshine.

First you said he posted it. He didn't. The proof is there.
Then you say he liked it. He didn't. The proof is there.
Now you say he changed it. No proof.

You go ahead and keep throwing shit at the wall trying to get something that sticks. I'll wait.

 

[Tpat591]

James Comey and Robert Mueller Imperil the Rule of Law
The former FBI directors tend to investigate Republicans far more zealously than Democrats.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/james-comey-and-robert-mueller-imperil-the-rule-of-law-1508798756

 

[Tpat591]

Irony – Rep Frederica Wilson Wrote Legislation Demanding DoD Policy That Framed Lethal Mission of Sgt. Johnson…
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...cy-that-framed-lethal-mission-of-sgt-johnson/

 

[HazyShades]

You men, boys, and the intelligent well versed LADY can argue among yourselves.
I just had another death in the family and I need to go be with the survivors.
Be nice..LOL

 

[Time]

You men, boys, and the intelligent well versed LADY can argue among yourselves.
I just had another death in the family and I need to go be with the survivors.
Be nice..LOL

Sorry about your loss.

 

[Polargirl]

You men, boys, and the intelligent well versed LADY can argue among yourselves.
I just had another death in the family and I need to go be with the survivors.
Be nice..LOL

Sorry to hear.

I'll be leaving anyway. No point sticking around people that only see others as either with them or against them. That gets old fast.

 

[pulsevape]

I think Polar is being more than generous with the dog whistle.
PV is a blatant bigot. If you can't see it it's either because you're dense or don't want to...or something else.
But his objection to MEXICANS goes well beyond their strain on California's infrastructure
or that many are illegal. He just dislikes non whites and excuses it by claiming his family
is of dubious color.

Hey what do you know @Hellcarrdyr got it right.....Hazy has become Cromwell

 

[Time]

I'll be leaving anyway. No point sticking around people that only see others as either with them or against them. That gets old fast.

I have no idea who or what you are "with or against".

My only disagreement with you is your insistence that you know what people mean, despite what they actually say.

 

[Tpat591]

You men, boys, and the intelligent well versed LADY can argue among yourselves.
I just had another death in the family and I need to go be with the survivors.
Be nice..LOL

My condolences on your loss.

 

[pulsevape]

No, not all. Just trying to state my opinion using the accepted definition of words in a civil manner.
Both Pulsevape and /Time don't seem to know the definition of discussion or civility, let alone civil discussion.
A cursory inventory of this thread demonstrates ample proof that neither of them
welcomes opinions different from their dogmatic opinions or experiences different from their limited life experience.
Not everybody has grown up on the farm..not everybody appreciates being treated like livestock.

In the past year alone Pulsevape has insulted EVERYBODY who doesn't toe his particular bizarre line
and his boy Time follows right along kissing up to Pulse's words and vice-versa.

I happen to agree with Polarchick and can't condone their wholesale insults
not am I ready to continue to put up with Time's asinine uneducated retorts.

Maybe their animals will put up with it but not this vaper.
I think a first move other than the mutual respect that their family's did not teach them to have
is to use the same language.
A bigot is a bigot even if and when you agree with the bigot's politics.
An idiot is an idiot even when he occasionally proves to be an idiot savant.
If you want to call that being "on a roll"...LOL, I'm rolling.

God you're a pathetic old cunt.....what the fuck ....do you live in a trailer and raise chiquaquas....

 

[Polargirl]

Arizona GOP Sen. Jeff Flake, Appalled by Trump, Won't Seek Re-Election
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-flake-won-t-seek-reelection-dismayed-n813841

 

[pulsevape]

The thing is, I wouldn't care if he was a bigot if he'd only be straight up about it. It is the cowardice and hypocrisy that annoys me. Even the alt-right mocks people like this with the term, "cuckservative".

I'm still waiting for you to tell eveyone which of the GOP candidates had the shipping of Black Americans back to Africa as a plank in their platform....or was that just.......ummmmm Dog whisteling....