Heck even the DNC is contributing via their reduced donations and elections.
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Not to mention lost Democrat revenue from Bribes, Gun Running, Drug Dealing, Human Trafficking, Prostitution, Child Pornography & Smuggling, Sale of Aborted Fetuses, Organs & Body Parts on Demand, Murder Incorporated, as well as Sale of Classified Material, Resources and State Secrets with all operating expenses paid for by the US Treasury.
My god, with all the lost revenue, Trump is gonna crash the economy after all isn't he? LOL.
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While I prefer the country unify on things like the National Anthem. .... universal hate of Trump is a start.... unity breeds unity.... so far it's working for the rest of us. Go Donald... MAGA.
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LOL. No amnesty is a pardon for breaking laws.
am·nes·ty
ˈamnəstē/
noun
noun: amnesty; plural noun: amnesties
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an official pardon for people who have been convicted of political offenses.
"an amnesty for political prisoners"
synonyms: pardon, pardoning, reprieve; More
grace;
release, discharge
"the governor has granted amnesty to seven of the prisoners"- an undertaking by the authorities to take no action against specified offenses or offenders during a fixed period.
"a month-long weapons amnesty"
- an undertaking by the authorities to take no action against specified offenses or offenders during a fixed period.
verb: amnesty; 3rd person present: amnesties; past tense: amnestied; past participle: amnestied; gerund or present participle: amnestying
1.
grant an official pardon to.
I'm not sure where you don't understand the word "illegal" in "illegal immigrant". What part don't you understand?
They have already broken the law. Giving them a path to citizenship without having subjecting them to the consequenses of breaking the law is effectively a pardon. That's a pardon for millions of law breakers that are not even US citizens.
You can spin it anyway you choose to be a good Republican and Trump supporter, as would any Democrat or Hitlery supporter would do for their guy, but I prefer to call it exactly what it is. And what it is, is a pardon for people that broke the law. But that's not even the worst part. They are not just giving them a pardon, they are giving them a present for breaking the law, citizenship.
Giving the "Dreamers" amnesty and citizenship is nothing more than giving them a pardon and a gift for breaking our laws. And Republicans and Trump supporters going full libtard to pretend it's something else is moronic. It makes you no better than the libtards. Nobody should get the gift of citizenship for breaking our laws. And Trump promising "no amnesty" and then giving amnesty is a promise broken. No matter how you spin it.
Depends on what the definition of IS is.....
Yes he has said no amnesty. But he also always said the we would have to Take Care of the DACA people.... not deport them.... that's an impossible task.
But then it's only a whitehouse proposal... not a BILL intended to be made law... give parameters for Congress to consider when writing the laws
It like the wall and Mexico paying for it.... anyone expecting a pallet of cash prior to construction or the wall to extend sea to sea. Was delusional and lying to themselves.
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Coulter Gets Results! Lindsey Graham Banned and Booted from White House Immigration Discussions
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...d-booted-white-house-immigration-discussions/
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Never said I agree with the WH immigration proposal...... just being realistic. And noting that since both the left and right are hating and for many of the same reasons......
I'm thinking it must be a step in the correct direction.
Besides it would never get through congress as is..... numbers are all too high to get the votes.....
I reserve judgement till I see where things are actually going to go.....
I'm more worried about what he might sign than what is proposed from the WH.
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I have already said military service should be part of pathway to citizenship for DACA who have applied to the program PRIOR to Feb 1, 2018 only but I guess I would also accept a year or so of each of them helping to build the wall as an alternate service qualifier.
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Dumbest argument ever.
It's impossible to catch all speeders. But nobody is proposing raising all the speed limits so that speeders are legal to go as fast as they want. Why? Because it's a stupid argument.
It's impossible to catch all the murderers. But nobody is proposing that we make it legal for murderers to murder. Why? Because it's a fucking stupid argument.
I can go on with every law on the books. It's impossible to catch them all. But nobody is proposing to make them legal, except maybe XXXX but the argument is not that it should be legal because you can't catch them, lol.
But somehow, some people think that because we can't catch all the illegal immigrants, we should just make them legal and it solves the problem. It does not. Just like making speeding legal does not make people drive slower and making murder legal does not solve the problem of murder.
Keep spinning it though. The laws are enforced to reduce crime, not eliminate it. It's impossible to eliminate illegal activity. If you have a law that is not enforced, you don't have a law. Plain and simple. Especially when you turn around and reward them for breaking the law by giving them citizenship. Giving them citizenship does not deter others from also breaking the law. It invites them to break the law.
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I see your point and I feel that there will have to be some form of amnesty given, but not total amnesty what chucky wants, and I do think that chucky does not expext to end up with total amnesty. There has to be some give and take on both sides Trump knows it and chucky knows it.He is fooling somebody but I don't think it's the Dems this time.
Everything I see leads me to believe large scale amnesty is going to happen. We'll see in a few weeks.
I'll just park this here.
Besides Trump knows that there could be some (posible) future votes there, and there is no need to close and lock the gate behind you. No negotiator worth a pinch of salt would do that!!
Food For Thought here>> If Trump got exactly what your expecting "No Amnesty" and they all have to go...........................How many do you think will actually go??
Keep the faith!!
Maybe I am missing something here or you quoted the wrong post. But What has the central bank got to do with what I said about Trump??
Well if we can't deport and any sort of legalizing is amnesty.....
What's your suggestion???? Status Quo or extermination?
Because I fail to see any other options on the table...
They leave they stay or we continue to ignore. ..
Besides this is about DACA at this point.... It's step 1 of immigration reform.
Just like the Tax Thing is also step 1 to the fiscal issues.
Just like the Obama care fiasco was round 1 of that....
Promises made promises kept..... or at least in progress.
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I'm expecting full amnesty. Trump promised no amnesty.
It doesn't matter how many actually go, as long as some of them do. That's better than none. If you give the ones here already amnesty and citizenship, more will come not just the ones here already. Besides, Obama suckered 800,000 of them into giving their names and addresses when they signed up for his DACA EO. They are illegal and the government has a list of them. That's 800,000 that could be gone. A good start, IMO.
Just between you and I don't think 90% will be where they should be when the time comes.They are illegal and the government has a list of them. That's 800,000 that could be gone. A good start, IMO.
We can deport. We do deport. We actually have a list of about 800,000 that signed up for DACA that gave their names and addresses. It's not like we don't know who they are. They signed up as being illegal.
My suggestion is to continue to deport.
Can't argue with that!!10% is better than zero.
Well I do agree that the PARENTS should be deported. I assume that number is at least the 800K.
I really have no issue with most people brought or arriving as young kids... many will be and should be sent back. But some we are stuck with.
Oh don't forget the governmental inflation factor...
The numbers are always off. There are way more than the 800K DACA people....None are Kids... and if they want 25B they will spend at least 100.
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They should all be deported. They can blame their parents.
It's all well and good to say it's not their fault. But it isn't the US's fault either. Their parents caused their deportation not anybody else. They can be mad at their parents or they can thank their parents for trying, I don't care. But I'll not take responsibility for their parents failure. Deport them and let their parents explain why they are being deported because their parents broke the law. And let other parents know that if they care about their kids, don't break the law.
yeah not only is it dumb arguement it's a lie,and one of the main talking points the globalist shills in both parties preach
keeping faith with Trump you said...my point is, I'm not sure Trump can or even wants to stand up against the global elite,,the central bankers of the world who want to bring down western civilization.
deport them, deport their kids, deport their fucking goldfish....or breaking the law will never ever stop...enough with being the worlds cuckhold.send the message ...no more.
what an asshole thing to say...what a fucking rino/dnc piece of propoganda..."status quo or extermination"..fuck Opra the DNC should run you for president...you can make life so unberablly uncomfortable for illegals they leave, you don't have to deport them they will deport themselves...if they can't enroll their kids in our schools, if they can't get driver's licenses, if they can't pass an E-Verify check, if they can't get jobs, if the can't get food stamps, if they can't get wlefare....they will go home...they didn't come here to be american, they came here for the stuff.
we can go into debt forever for pointless wars, we can sacrifice our own childerens lives.we can sarfice the prosperity of our own childeren and grandchilderen ..we can send fucking aircraft carriers half way around the world we can depose goverments left and right we can somehow manage to institute westeren democracies in third world shitholes no matter how many have to die.....but we can't deport illegals....what the fuck am I missing here.If the goverment can't do it's job it needs to be replaced."can't". isn't an option...Hungary, the Czechs, the Poles are keeping the invasion out of their country so can we
Millwall's got buddies...
Give him time. Has to drain the swamp first. Then he will probably take on the bankers. After all hes taken on world leaders and anyone else that try to get in his way, what the heck are a few bankers.
Maybe most, if not all, politicians would not even think about taking then bankers.............. But then again Trump is not a politician and scared of no one.
Idk, I'm not keen on the amnesty. I don't know why it's even a debate, they broke the fucking law, deport their asses. Pure and simple. At least it should be if it weren't for so many fucktards in congress. Left up to Trump solely I'm sure he would deport them but he has to work with jackasses to get things done. I also think it's bullshit that it applies to the parents, the ones who knowingly broke the law.
My only hope is this, while the wording from the white house sounds ugly (to me anyway), it's also probably a nonstarter from a negotiation standpoint. Considering the whole of it, a 'pathway' to citizenship over the course of what 8-10yrs? They can't commit any crimes and have to stay completely up to date and legit for quite a lengthy period of time. In addition that same proposal is asking $25B for the wall, way more than the dims want to cough up. It also introduces fast tracking the deportation process and ending catch and release giving border patrol more bite.
If (big IF) the dems agree to it, it's a fat chunk for the wall. 8-10yrs of keeping their noses clean is plenty of rope for the shithead illegals to hang themselves with. Loosening the leash on border patrol and ice means when those clowns screw up, let their requirements lapse even for a minute, adios. That may realistically remove 30-40% of 'dreamers' and under the terms of a 'fair' deal is hard to argue with.
On the other hand it's quite an ask so while the proposed amnesty may look like shit to many of us, good chance the dims will shoot themselves in the foot by refusing to accept it. Trump may know he's asking more than they're willing to give, can technically say he offered extremely passionate pathways to citizenship while knowing it won't be delivered because the left won't agree to the other stuff. He's hustling the left and doing a pretty good job of it.
Like saying 'sure, I'll trim your grandpa's nasty ass toenails for 3mo - if you pay me $500k' *wink wink*. Who the hell would offer to do that? The person asking for so much in return it's either A, not going to happen or B, ridiculously heavy handed in your favor. That's how I see it anyway. Many look at Trump and on the face of it think he's a clown. I tend to read between the lines and pay careful attention to his wording. Like him or hate him, disregarding what money he may have been given from his father to start with, a clown doesn't 'stumble' into achieving and maintaining a global construction empire or 'stumble' into becoming president with 20 other candidates between multiple parties.
My only hope is this, while the wording from the white house sounds ugly (to me anyway), it's also probably a nonstarter from a negotiation standpoint. Considering the whole of it, a 'pathway' to citizenship over the course of what 8-10yrs? They can't commit any crimes and have to stay completely up to date and legit for quite a lengthy period of time. In addition that same proposal is asking $25B for the wall, way more than the dims want to cough up. It also introduces fast tracking the deportation process and ending catch and release giving border patrol more bite.
If (big IF) the dems agree to it, it's a fat chunk for the wall. 8-10yrs of keeping their noses clean is plenty of rope for the shithead illegals to hang themselves with. Loosening the leash on border patrol and ice means when those clowns screw up, let their requirements lapse even for a minute, adios. That may realistically remove 30-40% of 'dreamers' and under the terms of a 'fair' deal is hard to argue with.
On the other hand it's quite an ask so while the proposed amnesty may look like shit to many of us, good chance the dims will shoot themselves in the foot by refusing to accept it. Trump may know he's asking more than they're willing to give, can technically say he offered extremely passionate pathways to citizenship while knowing it won't be delivered because the left won't agree to the other stuff. He's hustling the left and doing a pretty good job of it.
Like saying 'sure, I'll trim your grandpa's nasty ass toenails for 3mo - if you pay me $500k' *wink wink*. Who the hell would offer to do that? The person asking for so much in return it's either A, not going to happen or B, ridiculously heavy handed in your favor. That's how I see it anyway. Many look at Trump and on the face of it think he's a clown. I tend to read between the lines and pay careful attention to his wording. Like him or hate him, disregarding what money he may have been given from his father to start with, a clown doesn't 'stumble' into achieving and maintaining a global construction empire or 'stumble' into becoming president with 20 other candidates between multiple parties.
That's allot of words to say you don't like the idea of amnesty, but if Trump does give them amnesty he has excuses.
Well, excuses are like assholes. The more one uses them, the more they stink.
Trump can get his border funding the same way Obama got his Obamacare funding. Refuse to sign a funding bill that doesn't have it. He doesn't need to use it as an excuse to give illegals amnesty.
I judge Trump based on what he does. I'll judge him based on whether or not he gives amnesty after he said he would not.
Bush had excuses too, ya know.
I don't like the idea but I'm also an adult who realizes when you're dealing with two polarized entities such as the left and the right, compromise generally has to occur somewhere. The only way you avoid compromise is in a dictatorship where the leader's views align with your own. Expecting more than that tends to bring one's sensibility into question.That's allot of words to say you don't like the idea of amnesty, but if Trump does give them amnesty he has excuses.
Well, excuses are like assholes. The more one uses them, the more they stink.
Trump can get his border funding the same way Obama got his Obamacare funding. Refuse to sign a funding bill that doesn't have it. He doesn't need to use it as an excuse to give illegals amnesty.
I judge Trump based on what he does. I'll judge him based on whether or not he gives amnesty after he said he would not.
Bush had excuses too, ya know.
Well I want this and this and this and that. Well wish in one hand, shit in the other. Do you always get what you want? I know after nearly 40yrs on the face of this rock I sure don't.
What I was saying is, in a perfect world I think the amnesty is bullshit. But then in a perfect world, shillary and obummer and other committed crimes and should be held accountable and charged. Plenty of things 'should' be that 'aren't'. That's life. Taking a more realistic view of things back on planet Earth, my hopes were the following - that the proposed amnesty required so much additional compromises that the left will 'resist' as they usually do. In which case Trump can honestly say he tried, he even offered 'amnesty' so any failure for it to succeed falls on the libs.
On the other hand, worst case scenario, the libs agree and 1.6 or 1.8m people get amnesty. But they only get there by adhering to strict prerequisites that if they fail to follow during the 8-10yr probationary period allows them to be deported. They don't just have to mind their p's and q's for 90 days, over a decade if they're bums they've got enough rope to hang themselves.. It also allows ice and border patrol to be more effective and funds the wall and then some. Definitely not the worst case for a 'worst case' scenario.
You put too many words in my mouth in short order by saying I was giving excuses for Trump. Comparing to Bush is just weak, Trump said lower taxes and what do we have? Your kneejerk desire to hate on Trump for something is making you a bit twitchy. Getting all worked up before the results are even realized. Whoa wtf you're gonna pay $100 for that hamburger are you friggin NUTS?!?!?! Chill bro, I said it looked like it'd taste good. Didn't even reach for my wallet. Cart goes behind the horse.
that is why it is more important to end DACA,deport people on a massive scale,end goverment benifits for illegals jail employers of illegals, prosecuting sanctuary cities,...in short to create havoc in the DNC's invader community, to create fear and uncertanty,to disrupt the infastructure of the beach head the invaders have made,,,,,,,so that forgien nationals are afraid, uncertain,dubious, and hesitant too risk crossing our borders, afraid that america will vote another Trump into office, afraid that America could elect another nationalist and disrupt their lives again...afraid that everyday they lived in America would be shrouded in uncertainty and fear....they way all criminals live.
There is a wall, but this wall needs to be torn down...the wall around our minds....America has the most sophisticated,most expensive, most prevasive propoganda/thought control structure in the world..our media...We are told certain thins are possible and certain things are impossible, we are taught certain things are good and moral, and certain things are dark and evil, we are taught certain things are real and certain things are a fantasy......and it all bullshit it is all thought control...Just look at the elction of Trump..we were told it was ridiculous, a joke,impossible,unattainable, dark ,evil, and shamefull.....the purpose was to defeat us before we could even get started, to not even attempt the effort to give up,to vote for the establishment again to settle for surrender with the best possible terms.We were told our minds were dysfunctional our hearts black we were told to doubt what our eyes saw and to doubt our hearts, and when that didn't work they used physical violence aganist us...We are told the same shit about the invasion of illegals we can't stop it.it's ridiculous and even evil to contemplate the idea, it goes agaonst the laws of the physcial universe,we are stupid and evil to even attempt it,we must settle for surrender with the illegals under the best terms possible.....but the real truth is it is easy,attainable,and it is we who dictate the terms of their surrender. and in the end will benifet the everyday person of all countries.they want us not to even try and attain our DREAMS.
From where I stand Trump is negotiating the terms or our surrender not the strategy of Mexico's defeat.I didn't vote for Neville Chamberlin...I voted for Patton.
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The reality is, Republicans in general, are pussies. Keep "compromising" and what you have is progression of liberalism. IE, the Progressive. Compromise is what adds to an ever increasing government. A Progressive government. Compromise gave us 6 years or so of Obama dominated politics with a Republican House, Senate and Supreme Court. Trump did not turn the Supreme Court to a conservative court, his nomination prevented a liberal court. The only time Dems want compromise is when they are on the short bus and still want to pass their agenda. They didn't "compromise" on Obamacare when they owned the Presidency, the House and the Senate. It's only Republican pussies that go for compromise when they control all branches of government.
Trump has been great because he's been aggressive. But when we compare him to other R candidates and their policies, Trump is waffling on some of the things that set him apart. Immigration is a big one. Either Cruz or Rubio would have nominated a conservative Supreme Court Justice and signed a tax cut bill. Where Trump differed from other R's, was on illegal immigration. We could have gotten amnesty from Cruz or Rubio.
I didn't vote for a standard Republican to compromise with the Dems. Any pussy Republican could have done that. We still have Obamacare because of pussy Republicans. I voted for Trump. He said no amnesty.
People that accept compromise is why we have a fucked up government. Rather than threaten the R's or D's in the House and Senate with losing their seats, pussy Republican voters send the message that it's okay to give the Dems their amnesty even though we voted for the guy that said no amnesty. It's not Trump that is compromising, it's Trump's voters. Some of them, at least.
No, I won't give them a pass. I could have "compromised" before the election and voted for an amnesty candidate. Why would I change my mind now? Changing my mind only allows politicians to go back on their words. It's not "compromise", it's a reversal of policy.
Do I expect to get everything I want? No. There where things I'd like to see happen that Trump did not run on. But, he didn't say he would do those things. He didn't campaign for those things. I don't expect them. I've always said Trump was a step in the right direction, not perfect.
Do I expect Trump to stick to the things he said. Absolutely. Those are the things I voted for him to do. I didn't vote for him to "compromise". I voted for him to do what he said. DACA and Amnesty are all his. If Congress won't fund the wall, that's on Congress. But if he signs an amnesty bill, that's on Trump.
Anyway, I voted. I voted for what Trump said he would do. He said no amnesty and that's what I voted for. That doesn't mean that I'm done with politics. It's my job to do what I can to make sure he does what he said. Going back on what I think is right, isn't going to happen. I'm not a party hack. I'm not a "Trump can do no wrong" guy. My opinion is the same now as it was before the election. Trump changed his policy, I did not change mine. Just because Trump changed does not mean that I must follow. I'm going to stick to my opinion and not make excuses. Compromise is for pussies. The "reality" is that Republicans let the liberals push them around. That's what you call reality. I don't disagree that compromise is reality. It is. I disagree that it has to be reality. Those that don't want amnesty don't have to compromise but the reality is that many of them are pussies and will.
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