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Ande9000 · Feb 19, 2015

I am going to be putting in an order for a bunch of bottles and was wondering if anyone knew how to get free shipping or if they offer a wholesale discount. Anyone know of anything?

Huckleberried · Feb 19, 2015

Paging @RocketPuppy!!

If any pup at all can answer that, it'd be that Pup. She's awesome.

Larry J · Feb 19, 2015

You can register to get wholesale prices on flavorings. It's much cheaper to buy wholesale if you want at least 4 ounces of a particular flavoring. I don't know if the bottles are available at wholesale prices or not.

RMarcusY · Feb 19, 2015

http://wholesale.heartlandvapes.com/flavoring.html
Ships free if over $75

Ande9000 · Feb 19, 2015

InMyImage · Feb 19, 2015

See "Shipping" http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/t-faq.aspx

Larry J · Feb 19, 2015

Andre9000, you're going to be doing some SERIOUS mixing. That would be a several lifetimes supply for me.

VinceV1 · Feb 19, 2015

You have a couple of "diacetyle" bottles in the lot. Are you sure you don't want to replace those with something else ?

Ande9000 · Feb 19, 2015

turns out there is not other discounts... at least for me. I signed up for the whole sale option and saved a few bucks... Also, I think that this lot of juice will last me a long time too! I wanted to get big bottles because i always seem to mix and when i get a good mix i am out of the flavors. I can't make a big batch afterwards! Plus I'm hoping that people will start buy a bit more of my juice.

RocketPuppy · Feb 19, 2015

Ande9000 said:
turns out there is not other discounts... at least for me. I signed up for the whole sale option and saved a few bucks... Also, I think that this lot of juice will last me a long time too! I wanted to get big bottles because i always seem to mix and when i get a good mix i am out of the flavors. I can't make a big batch afterwards! Plus I'm hoping that people will start buy a bit more of my juice.

You've tried and enjoy these flavors? That's a heck of a lot.

Besides signing up for a bulk account, there are no other ways to save. =(

RipTodd · Feb 19, 2015

VinceV1 said:
You have a couple of "diacetyle" bottles in the lot. Are you sure you don't want to replace those with something else ?

Which?

No cig

Huckleberried · Feb 20, 2015

Dairy Milk - acetoin/ acetyl proprionyl
Banana Cream - acetoin
Bavarian Cream - acetoin
Dulce de Leche - acetoin/acetyl proprionyl
Cheesecake (not the graham one) - acetoin/acetyl proprionyl
Hazelnut Praline - acetoin/acetyl proprionyl
Sweet Cream - Acetoin
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - Acetyl Proprionyl
Vanilla Custard - Acetoin/Acetyl Proprionyl
Caramel Candy - Acetoin/Acetyl Proprionyl
Marshmallow - Acetoin/Acetyl Proprionyl

That's the info listed on their site, per each flavor, with the following information, also listed on there:

"The following link explains the frequent questions & concerns involving custard notes.
http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/flavorsworkshop/custard.html"

This is stuff some vapers choose to stay away from. Some choose not to, and some use it knowingly, but more occasional than an every day type vape.

Pauly Walnuts · Feb 20, 2015

VinceV1 said:
You have a couple of "diacetyle" bottles in the lot. Are you sure you don't want to replace those with something else ?

Dude was not asking for our opinion regarding the diacetyl content of his order.
He was asking for help getting a discount.

Huckleberried · Feb 20, 2015

@RipTodd, I meant to post this also. It was late, I was tired, my apologies. In the FAQ, you can find a bit more information, including this link. I've seen this posted by HeadInClouds and saved it. TFA makes this information available so that people can make an informed choice. I have flavors that contain this stuff, myself. I do use them, but just not as much as others without. It doesn't bother me so much right now, there is still not enough research and information available to vapers. The biggest problem is when companies deny their flavors contain this stuff, then lie about it. TFA doesn't lie about it, they inform you. You did choose some tasty flavors, though!

http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=341620

VinceV1 · Feb 20, 2015

Pauly Walnuts said:
Dude was not asking for our opinion regarding the diacetyl content of his order.
He was asking for help getting a discount.

And I'm not asking you for such a helpful comment

Ande9000 · Feb 20, 2015

Huckleberried said:
@RipTodd, I meant to post this also. It was late, I was tired, my apologies. In the FAQ, you can find a bit more information, including this link. I've seen this posted by HeadInClouds and saved it. TFA makes this information available so that people can make an informed choice. I have flavors that contain this stuff, myself. I do use them, but just not as much as others without. It doesn't bother me so much right now, there is still not enough research and information available to vapers. The biggest problem is when companies deny their flavors contain this stuff, then lie about it. TFA doesn't lie about it, they inform you. You did choose some tasty flavors, though!

http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=341620

Thank you for the heads up. I was aware of this and took no offense to your post. I find that many of the high quality juice recipes call for some of these "iffy" options... Long story short, its what the people want. I do my best to give them what they want.

Huckleberried · Feb 20, 2015

One thing about knowing what's in it... if you notice yourself feeling a bit differently, or reacting to it, then you know to either use it occasionally or not at all. Some of those types in question do make me cough, or feel out of breath. That's with a chain vaping session with a tasty flavor I just don't wanna put down, though, lol.

VinceV1 · Feb 20, 2015

There is a caramel flavor without diacetyle on TFA Website.
There is a french vanilla without diacetyle (not the Deluxe one)
The graham crust cheesecake is without diacetyle
The malted milk can be useful with cream (no diacetyle)
The whipped cream is without diacetyle
The sweet cream (only acetoin, not good, but better than diacetyl and acetyl propionyl)

VinceV1 · Feb 20, 2015

For marshmallow, the best choice is Flavourart.
In the nuts department, "toasted almonds" is the best TFA choice.

VinceV1 · Feb 20, 2015

To share what we know will not hurt anybody.

Pauly Walnuts · Feb 20, 2015

Im just pointing out that not everyone is a member of your crusade.

Huckleberried · Feb 20, 2015

Somewhere in the notes at TFA, I read that they don't use flavors that contain diacetyl. They do note that ones that contain acetoin and acetyl proprionyl. The company where they get their stuff is restricted by their insurance company to use diacetyl. If I were a scientist I'd be able to explain the concerns better with the other 2 ingredients, but my understanding is they can turn into it. At least, that's what the notes at TFA said. Someone has better information and understanding on how that works exactly. I'll try to find what I read. It might actually be in the links I posted above. BIG paragraph on their site that'll hurt your eyes reading it, lol.

OK, it's in the first link I shared in post #12. It hurts your eyes to read it, but it's in the longer post.

lirruping · Feb 24, 2015

Pauly Walnuts said:
Im just pointing out that not everyone is a member of your crusade.

People need to try to be a little less touchy about this. Giving a bit of information is not the same as "crusading".

Since when is any mention of diacetyl and acetyl propionyl and acetoin taboo? I get that people might feel judged about their decision to imbibe substances thought to be associated with lung disease, but I think we can all manage whatever social pressure occurs as a result of someone pointing out that this or that flavoring or juice has a risk associated with vaping it.

And on the up-side, it's more information for newbies who might not know anything about it.

Time · Feb 24, 2015

lirruping said:
People need to try to be a little less touchy about this. Giving a bit of information is not the same as "crusading".

Since when is any mention of diacetyl and acetyl propionyl and acetoin taboo? I get that people might feel judged about their decision to imbibe substances thought to be associated with lung disease, but I think we can all manage whatever social pressure occurs as a result of someone pointing out that this or that flavoring or juice has a risk associated with vaping it.

And on the up-side, it's more information for newbies who might not know anything about it.

I see no need for every thread that mentions one of these flavors to contain a discussion about this. It really does come off as crusading. The OP said he was aware of the issue so half of his thread is filled with off topic posts.

I respect peoples concern over the topic but the effect that inserting the topic into every thread that contains one of these flavors has made the topic redundant and dull. I think "crusade" was a good choice of words. It is very much like having a religious fanatic insert their views into every discussion. Nobody wants to be preached at every time they post a list of flavors they bought, IMO.

Laughmore · Feb 24, 2015

VinceV1 said:
In the nuts department, "toasted almonds" is the best TFA choice.

If you use this one a lot, try Capellas version too. They are very similar, but the Cap version is a tiny bit drier and changes with a steep a bit more, barely wins for my palette. Both are tasty.

lirruping · Feb 24, 2015

Time said:
I see no need for every thread that mentions one of these flavors to contain a discussion about this. It really does come off as crusading. The OP said he was aware of the issue so half of his thread is filled with off topic posts.

I respect peoples concern over the topic but the effect that inserting the topic into every thread that contains one of these flavors has made the topic redundant and dull. I think "crusade" was a good choice of words. It is very much like having a religious fanatic insert their views into every discussion. Nobody wants to be preached at every time they post a list of flavors they bought, IMO.

I get what you're saying, Time. Preaching is annoying, on the whole, let alone crusading. But your point would carry more weight if it really were the case that every time (or anything close to every time) a questionable flavor comes up people jumped all over it. I really haven't noticed that happening much at all.

What I have noticed in my (needless to say, subjective and solitary) travels through internet forums:

1. When people do bring it up, they frequently make an attempt to convey a lack of judgment about what people choose to vape
2. Some people usually get kind of bent out of shape and defensive when it does come up
3. There are DIY threads where the topic is so studiously ignored that it feels socially inappropriate to even mention it

It's that last thing that seems most problematic to me. It seems important to have some kind of balance on the subject of baddies in the juice so that it can be discussed in a productive way by those who care to consider it. It doesn't have to be either a crusade or see-no-evil type of situation.

Bear in mind that I didn't bring up this topic, but was responding to someone being snapped at for having (or so it seemed to me) merely tried to share some information with someone new.

Time · Feb 24, 2015

lirruping said:
I get what you're saying, Time. Preaching is annoying, on the whole, let alone crusading. But your point would carry more weight if it really were the case that every time (or anything close to every time) a questionable flavor comes up people jumped all over it. I really haven't noticed that happening much at all.

What I have noticed in my (needless to say, subjective and solitary) travels through internet forums:

1. When people do bring it up, they frequently make an attempt to convey a lack of judgment about what people choose to vape
2. Some people usually get kind of bent out of shape and defensive when it does come up
3. There are DIY threads where the topic is so studiously ignored that it feels socially inappropriate to even mention it

It's that last thing that seems most problematic to me. It seems important to have some kind of balance on the subject of baddies in the juice so that it can be discussed in a productive way by those who care to consider it. It doesn't have to be either a crusade or see-no-evil type of situation.

Bear in mind that I didn't bring up this topic, but was responding to someone being snapped at for having (or so it seemed to me) merely tried to share some information with someone new.

I believe there are sticky threads on the subject and no lack of discussion on the topic here.

I think that others, not just myself, see it happen often enough that they consider it "crusading" is a fairly strong indicator that it does come up quite often. I actually got bored with the forum because of the non stop, off topic postings and rants and don't read much anymore. The OP caught my attention because, on topic, I only buy bulk. I wasn't expecting a "safety" topic. Again.

My comments are not directed to you directly. It's just a general observation. I understand some have a strong desire to take every opportunity to inform others of their perception of "bad" flavors. It's still off topic.

Pauly Walnuts · Feb 24, 2015

lirruping said:
I get what you're saying, Time. Preaching is annoying, on the whole, let alone crusading. But your point would carry more weight if it really were the case that every time (or anything close to every time) a questionable flavor comes up people jumped all over it. I really haven't noticed that happening much at all.

What I have noticed in my (needless to say, subjective and solitary) travels through internet forums:

1. When people do bring it up, they frequently make an attempt to convey a lack of judgment about what people choose to vape
2. Some people usually get kind of bent out of shape and defensive when it does come up
3. There are DIY threads where the topic is so studiously ignored that it feels socially inappropriate to even mention it

It's that last thing that seems most problematic to me. It seems important to have some kind of balance on the subject of baddies in the juice so that it can be discussed in a productive way by those who care to consider it. It doesn't have to be either a crusade or see-no-evil type of situation.

Bear in mind that I didn't bring up this topic, but was responding to someone being snapped at for having (or so it seemed to me) merely tried to share some information with someone new.

The only reason I was 'snappy' is because ive seen vince do this on other threads, where he will bring up diacetyl seeming out of thin air. The topic of these threads were not about chemical content, the OPs were not asking for alternatives, and the information was shoved forward anyways.
To me, thats what crusaders do.

I do realize, its probably out of the best intentions. I am not saying people who do this are bad, or that I dislike them, I just dont agree with them.
I believe in personal responsibility and freedom. Its up to individuals to research their own shit, its not up to me to teach them, and there are plenty of stickies about. Im happy to share information where its asked for, or humourous, or relevant, but you will never catch me shoving my views of 'whats healthy and whats not' in anyones face. Its all better than cigarettes, so I could care less.

Heabob · Feb 25, 2015

Lol, maybe like joining a smoking forum and telling everyone about all the bad stuff that's in them.

I've seen quite a bit of this here, when recipes are posted, or flavor questions are asked.

It's fine if someone is concerned and asks about it, but Pauly is right about not jumping in and Nitpicking every other thread.

Huckleberried · Feb 25, 2015

The only reason I offered the information from the TFA site was because post #11 inquired about which flavors were in question. True, the OP did state they were aware, but someone else did ask. Not trying to stir, was simply answering a question, then sharing the info on the site.

Pauly Walnuts · Feb 25, 2015

Huckleberried said:
The only reason I offered the information from the TFA site was because post #11 inquired about which flavors were in question. True, the OP did state they were aware, but someone else did ask. Not trying to stir, was simply answering a question, then sharing the info on the site.

Huck, Im sorry if it looked like I was snapping in your direction, since you were not the person I was aiming at.
I probably shouldnt snap at anyone, but when I get aggravated with people, I feel they need to hear a sharply dissenting opinion.
But again, none of my comments were pointed at you.

Huckleberried · Feb 26, 2015

Pauly Walnuts said:
Huck, Im sorry if it looked like I was snapping in your direction, since you were not the person I was aiming at.
I probably shouldnt snap at anyone, but when I get aggravated with people, I feel they need to hear a sharply dissenting opinion.
But again, none of my comments were pointed at you.

Nope, didn't take it that way at all. No worries

Dixie1954 · Mar 1, 2015

Just my 2 cents worth but gripping about it has totally changed the topic of this room LOL

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