NIOSH recommendations are for occupational limits. NIOSH has done zero studies on vaping.
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NIOSH recommendations are for occupational limits. NIOSH has done zero studies on vaping.
Yes that is why I started vaping. There is nothing definitive either way. Yes I don't want to be lied to if there are "known" chemicals that cause a risk to me. But I'm also going to enjoy my new healthier life. And I was actually trying to have a rational conversation with you Steve. Why add an antagonistic statement.
Not all of them HAVE to be.
As long as a sufficiently sized subset of vapers are concerned enough with their health to pay attention and do things like this, the rest of the vapers that don't give a rats ass will be protected by the self regulation.
It kinda works exactly like welfare, doesn't it?
It really amuses me watching the big government supporters go nuts when the solution to a problem comes from the people. We found the cure for smoking, and unfortunately, none of the political class or their crony friends have been able to make a nickle off of it... Haha...
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Vaping shouldn't have to be a hobby or social subset to be safer. Vaping should be mainstream, not relegated to being a fringe method of smoking cessation. I have been asking vapers at work if they knew about custards and diacetyl and none have heard about it. One lady loves a custard flavor she buys from a local chain vape shop and she said it should be safe if it is sold at a store...
Who supports big government? I support limited regulation, as I do for any product I buy, because there are shady people who own businesses, like 5 Pawns...
Given the recent outbreak of e-coli, I'm grateful for the FDA and CDC for issuing the warnings and tracing the sources of the outbreak...
You've done a good job of clarifying your opinion here. I agree very much with how you've stated in this comment.
That last part was a bit of a tangent. I didn't intend to imply that you were pro big government.
see steve, i knew you had it in you to state your differing opinion without being rude or condescending, and make a very fine statement
i agree to a point with you, but once a huge entity like the FDA has a say so in something, it hurts the industry in other ways. The FDA is unelected and can often get things turned into law without any of us knowing until its too late.
SO while I think it would be nice to have some impartial entity setting standards to protect the public without having to do tons of research, i personally do not trust the FDA or the US Federal government to set regulations that are strictly for safety reasons. I think it is a general distrust in the US Federal Government that fuels the fire behind self regulation for the industry While on the other side it is a general distrust in "business" to do whats best for saftey reasons that fuels some of the fire behind people who want to have some sort of federal regulations imposed on the industry
I'm glad there are laws in place that allow people to challenge vendors who misrepresent their products. If the courts find Five Pawns knowingly lied, they deserve the consequences. There are plenty of honest liquid vendors who deserve a level playing field.
Link in the OP is bad.
Other than that, if they were advertising low/no specific chemicals and a trustable 3rd party test lab showed the numbers were actually high or super-high, then yeah, they deserve a legal attack.
But, is it actually worth the money they're looking for? Where does that money go? Lawyers? I'm a huge fan of Five Pawns along with their Taken Three line and get quite a bit for myself. Do I get a portion of that money? I'm no fan of 'legal action' for the sake of a payday.
Other than that, if they were advertising low/no specific chemicals and a trustable 3rd party test lab showed the numbers were actually high or super-high, then yeah, they deserve a legal attack.
But, is it actually worth the money they're looking for? Where does that money go? Lawyers? I'm a huge fan of Five Pawns along with their Taken Three line and get quite a bit for myself. Do I get a portion of that money? I'm no fan of 'legal action' for the sake of a payday.
