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Soundsystem00

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Okay guys. I know there have been millions of posts about this. And I know that it is getting more and more heated. I know this because now literally every day I hear the news bashing Vaping in a different way. Now my grandmother, who hated my smoking habit and was so relieved to see me quit that she let me vape inside, is now BEGGING me to quit. She is saying that is what is causing my shortness of breath and my heart issues that I have been dealing with.

Has there ever been any evidence proving any of this, or is it just another bash by big tobacco paying people off? Or is it really true? Because big tobacco vapes are some of the main ones getting targeted.

Currently I have a Squonk Mod. I chain vape literally all day long and I am at 3mg nic. I got a Vuse Alto from the gas station one day because I left my Squonk at home. I loved it. It is funny because I usually hated Tobacco flavors and gravitated toward more sweet flavors, but with this, I found it to be more satisfying and less irritating to my health. Then again, I can't blame the Squonk totally because I have no proof, and do other unhealthy things in my life other than vaping. That being said, it does seem to feel better.

So I guess my main two questions are this :

1) Is there any direct proof that vaping is as bad for us as they say on the media? If so, can I please have a link? And yes I have done personal research but want to hear what the community has to say.

2) Is salt nic, in your opinion and experience, less harmful than dripping directly?

Thank you all, and for your previous help. Looking forward to what I hope will be an enlightening discussion.
 

dr_rox

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You have to be more specific and cite the studies that say it is harmful.
Look for any studies by this doc and his associates.
https://vapescom.wordpress.com/2017...-immediate-benefits-for-myocardial-functions/

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/new...-cigs-may-not-be-so-bad-after-all-042516.html

Farsalinos's work centers around the cardiac effects which in all cases appears favorable when compared to smokers.

However, some recent reports have lumped thc/cbd vaping in with 'nic reduction therapy' (which should be called 'heat not burn' harm reduction, aka HnB).

One of the recent reports out there also theorize that some lung disease is caused by the humectant properties of the base liquids. They create or sustain a moist environment for nasty shit to grow. This will not effect everyone the same way either.

The lung damage from smoking and vaping habits will be different.

One thing I haven't seen is a report where peeps that drink and vape develop issues with their liver due to the introduction of a new source of glycerine - basically a fatty alcohol - that the liver metabolizes.

IOW, choose your sources and studies wisely.

One thing I noticed that makes a difference in my amount of liquid consumed or hand/mouth behavior - nic level. If I raise mine, I vape less. Why?? Read the following.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/tobacco/_PReptdisc/00000025.htm

When you vaped the Vuse, you changed one or more of your vape parameters (nic level and total vape volume consumed) which may also have affected your vaping habit and got less irritation (although it could have been what was in your dripping liquid vs the Vuse, too). You have to be aware of these changes and how your body responds. There is a reason for everything if you look for it. For example, 8 yrs ago I went from Blu's to mods. When I was just starting out, I did not do both - vape and smoke. I got my first eliquid from Johnson Creek since they supplied Blu with their liquid, which I liked. I had initially ordered high nic level and ended up diluting the liquid to cut the nic level down since the delivery system changed. To adjust my nic level, I did take a hit off a cig a few times to see if I got that first cig of the morning nic 'high' to determine where my best level was.
 
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Soundsystem00

Member For 1 Year
Yeah! Well personally, I have been getting a lot of shortness of breath, heart palpitations, and low energy. I started vaping 6 years ago after smoking marlboro lights for 11 years. I stopped smoking immediately and started on the 24MG eLiquid with Mini Nova tank and Ego T battery. I felt much better for a while.

I started dripping about 6-7 months ago but was having some issues before that. Like I said, I have other things like low exercise, bad diet, drinking, etc, but when I started using the vuse I did vape less and blow smaller clouds. Although I am back at 50mg Nic from my 3 dripping, I am inhaling a ton less PG/VG and I think that is actually making a difference. I will read ALL of your links and post again, thank you so much, it is greatly appreciated.

My grandmother is hearing on the news where people died because of vaping, but never do they have any proof. She is reading where people are getting negative effects from them including some of the ones that I have complained about. She is basically in a state of panic. The news has always bashed vaping, but never to this extend. I am from Dallas, TX.
 

Carambrda

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https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/phe-publishes-independent-expert-e-cigarettes-evidence-review

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vaping-in-england-an-evidence-update-february-2019

https://publichealthmatters.blog.go...e-patterns-and-use-in-adults-and-young-people

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6603453
Please note how the article linked above points out near the end that the American Lung Association now tries to shift the blame entirely towards the nicotine itself, a substance that, if consumed without burning tobacco smoke or without using any other nicotine delivery system that has specifically been tailored to force it to become addictive, hasn't been scientifically proven to be addictive in humans despite it being THE most studied chemical of them all. So, what this thing about the nicotine itself boils down to is that nicotine by itself has a significant potential to be harmful to children and young adolescents whose brain hasn't fully developed yet, and also to any person suffering from cardiovascular disease, but the whole "nicotine addiction" catchphrase is a multi-billion dollar lie, and, this same multi-billion dollar lie is an astronomical threat to public health, very much unlike the so-called vaping "epidemic" among teens.

That said, here's some additional food for thought on the burning(...) topic of which addictive substances might be causing serious harm to people in the state of Texas.

https://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/JCO.2019.37.15_suppl.4538

https://www.govtech.com/fs/data/Air...Causing-Compound-Near-Texas-Oil-Refinery.html

https://www.worldoil.com/news/2019/...-after-chemical-fire-extinguished-as-expected
 

ajvapes

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Member For 3 Years
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Yeah! Well personally, I have been getting a lot of shortness of breath, heart palpitations, and low energy. I started vaping 6 years ago after smoking marlboro lights for 11 years. I stopped smoking immediately and started on the 24MG eLiquid with Mini Nova tank and Ego T battery. I felt much better for a while.

I started dripping about 6-7 months ago but was having some issues before that. Like I said, I have other things like low exercise, bad diet, drinking, etc, but when I started using the vuse I did vape less and blow smaller clouds. Although I am back at 50mg Nic from my 3 dripping, I am inhaling a ton less PG/VG and I think that is actually making a difference. I will read ALL of your links and post again, thank you so much, it is greatly appreciated.

My grandmother is hearing on the news where people died because of vaping, but never do they have any proof. She is reading where people are getting negative effects from them including some of the ones that I have complained about. She is basically in a state of panic. The news has always bashed vaping, but never to this extend. I am from Dallas, TX.
50 mg dripping is extremely high, not sure what you mean by less PG/VG. I am not a health professional but it sounds like too much nic...
 

PopcornSmell

Member For 1 Year
In my country, our government also states that vaping is only for those who want to quit smoking, not for those who never smoke. Is vaping bad? Somewhat yes, but it's a good way to help you quit smoking. The vaping "epidemic" among teens is just like the smoking "epidemic" among teens that always happened before vaping becomes the trend. Young kids always try to do something that is illegal because it looks "cool".
I feel sorry for you guys in the US because a lot of media over there just want to create click baits to attract more views, instead of proving a good education about the bad and the good of vaping.

I've just introduced vaping to my heavy smoker mate, giving him this vapor world palm fit (a local vape kit brand that is kinda similar to Vuse) and he loves it and starts to gradually stop smoking. The news never picks these stories up because they may offend the big tobacco companies. And I would never recommend vaping to anyone who never smokes. Maybe a zero-nicotine vape pod if they really really want to try.
 

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