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I tried and tried to get my son on those KF4s, since he likes big air and big clouds, but he says they're not airy enough! I really liked my old KFL+'s, but once i got spoiled on my Achilles attys, I couldn't even use the KFL+'s -- though I did get an authentic Svoemesto last year, so if my Achilles became unusable, I'd probably try to get back to my KFL+'s. For a tank type, they're probably the best I've used, and DAYUMM the threading on that authentic Svoemesto is like pure silk.
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Not sure you could get "big air" out of a KF4, even at its airiest. It sounds like our sons have somewhat similar inclinations in vaping - mine wants to fill up a room with vapor with a hit or two.
I had one dry hit during the night on the KF, just enough for me to still not have any confidence in it. In my mind, the vape isn't good enough for me to keep fooling around with it much longer. It's good, but certainly not better than a dozen other atties I have around here. Life's too short.
I don't mind fooling around with stuff a little bit, in order to learn. But I want to learn, remember, and move on to something else. No need to have to keep on and on fucking around with one thing. It shouldn't be that hard, and I'm not incompetent.
It's like I used to tell my son: if you have trouble with one thing, it could be you, or it could be the other thing. If you have trouble with everything, then the trouble is you. I don't have trouble with everything, so dammit, it ain't me. lol