What does the FDA want? If they regulate will it be bad for the vaping community?

[DEATHquidox]

Hey guys,
Just to start im sorry if this is on the wrong sub fourm I just figured it would be good under general discussion.

Onto my question, people dont want the FDA to regulate anything which I can understand in some sense but what does this mean for the vaping community if they do regulate anything?

Will it make things safer? Or will it hurt the vape community as a whole?

Any info will help me alot I just want to be educated in this area of vaping

 

[BigNasty]

If it was regulation to make safer awesome.
But it is not, it is to kill vaping.
cigalikes by script, rescheduled like mj was/is/still
Stupid as fuck taxes like shitcago has pushed.
Cats and dogs living together...

 

[DEATHquidox]

If it was regulation to make safer awesome.
But it is not, it is to kill vaping.
cigalikes by script, rescheduled like mj was/is/still
Stupid as fuck taxes like shitcago has pushed.
Cats and dogs living together...

So what can we do to stop it?

 

[BigNasty]

Outside of burning DC to the ground, and a very bloody revolt... I do not see much as happening.
DC is not run on logic but feels.

 

[Smokin' Iron]

It's all about money and power. Big tobacco is scared of the competition and is bringing their political lobbying guns to bear. Politicians who have less morals than your below average prostitute are nervous about losing tax dollars and tobacco PAC campaign contributions.

The only thing that politicians like more than spending other peoples money is getting re-elected. So our best chance is to write, call, and email our congressmen and senators to convince them that we vapors vote as a block and vaping is very important to us. This will persuade them to put pressure on the FDA.

The only other option is to write, call, and email the White House and try to convince the squatters living there that it is cool for Muslim Socialists to vape. It might also help to end the letter or email with the signature line "Allah Akbar"! The Commissar Obamassar is a smoker and the idea of vaping might appeal to him.

 

[BigNasty]

There is a line in the fda demon regs that says if the tests show no harm they are to add a chemical compound they know is harmful and retest.
So no matter what you do they will not apprrove it since they have to ffuck up their own tests to show harm and reduction.

 

[DEATHquidox]

It's all about money and power. Big tobacco is scared of the competition and is bringing their political lobbying guns to bear. Politicians who have less morals than your below average prostitute are nervous about losing tax dollars and tobacco PAC campaign contributions.

The only thing that politicians like more than spending other peoples money is getting re-elected. So our best chance is to write, call, and email our congressmen and senators to convince them that we vapors vote as a block and vaping is very important to us. This will persuade them to put pressure on the FDA.

The only other option is to write, call, and email the White House and try to convince the squatters living there that it is cool for Muslim Socialists to vape. It might also help to end the letter or email with the signature line "Allah Akbar"! The Commissar Obamassar is a smoker and the idea of vaping might appeal to him.

So i want to keep vaping what do I do to keep vaping when Shit hits the fan?

 

[Teresa P]

Money. That's it. Once they get it, they couldn't care less if it's dangerous or if it isn't. Remember, cigarettes are FDA approved, but there's money in it.
This will all blow over soon as the fatted cow gets fatter, and then they'll leave us alone.

 

[Teresa P]

So i want to keep vaping what do I do to keep vaping when Shit hits the fan?

Do you DIY? Stock up on all the nicotine you can. Stash back a few mods and batteries. If you don't make your own juice, get a stash going that'll last awhile, or make friends with someone who does DIY.
It'll blow over eventually.

 

[Neunerball]

....It'll blow over eventually....

You think? I'm not so sure about that.

 

[DEATHquidox]

Ive been looking into DIY. a bit but will do and good thats what we need is for this to blow over

 

[Teresa P]

You think? I'm not so sure about that.

I do. History always repeats itself with our government where money is concerned. Look at the Prohibition. Alcohol was treated just as vaping is now. The government figured out people were gonna do it no matter what, even if it meant going underground. Look at all the money they were losing on a ban! Now there are high priced, over-taxed liquor stores on every corner and Uncle Sam has a happy pocket. It's a proven fact that cigarettes kill. But not only does the government make a king's ransom in taxes on tobacco, they've also decided it's mandatory to have government health insurance. This way they can tax the FDA-approved habit that kills you and also make money while you're being treated for the illnesses it causes.
Trust me when I say that they may be working on "regulations," as they call them, but what that translates to is they're buying time to figure out how to make as much money off of it as they can. When they get a plan in place, they'll leave us alone and rake in the cash.

 

[DEATHquidox]

I do. History always repeats itself with our government where money is concerned. Look at the Prohibition. Alcohol was treated just as vaping is now. The government figured out people were gonna do it no matter what, even if it meant going underground. Look at all the money they were losing on a ban! Now there are high priced, over-taxed liquor stores on every corner and Uncle Sam has a happy pocket. It's a proven fact that cigarettes kill. But not only does the government make a king's ransom in taxes on tobacco, they've also decided it's mandatory to have government health insurance. This way they can tax the FDA-approved habit that kills you and also make money while you're being treated for the illnesses it causes.
Trust me when I say that they may be working on "regulations," as they call them, but what that translates to is they're buying time to figure out how to make as much money off of it as they can. When they get a plan in place, they'll leave us alone and rake in the cash.

Hopefully ejuice prices dont skyrocket cause then I really will go into DIY

 

[AmandaD]

Hopefully ejuice prices dont skyrocket cause then I really will go into DIY

They already have in some states. Taxes have seen to that!

 

[DEATHquidox]

They already have in some states. Taxes have seen to that!

Not here in sc 30ml is 10$ for most bottles

 

[Smokin' Iron]

It all depends on if this is a passing fad with Washington to placate big tobacco or if they want to turn vaping into a cash cow.

 

[msrfrog]

The fda regulates and approves drugs that are taken by virtually all mass shooters. So the what good would come of any approval from them? I think you'll see the only legal eliquids will be put out by big tobacco that can afford the lobbyist and payoffs just like big pharma. Sorry for my venting.

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[DEATHquidox]

It all depends on if this is a passing fad with Washington to placate big tobacco or if they want to turn vaping into a cash cow.

I think they should totally turn it into a cash cow instead of killing it off cause we can always make our own liquid thats not a problem im just fucked if they take the mods cause idk how to build my own stuff honestly

 

[Ryedan]

So i want to keep vaping what do I do to keep vaping when Shit hits the fan?

I make my own juice, I have a few mods and attys and if need be I can make my own. Batteries, VG, PG, flavorings and voltage regulators are used for a lot of other things too so we should always be able to get them. The only thing that I think could get nasty is if nic base is controlled to the point that it gets really hard to get or is outrageously expensive.

By the end of my first year vaping I had weaned off nic totally and now I use it once in a while. I have a liter of 100 mg/ml in the freezer which should easily last me a couple of decades at the rate I use it and if it spoils after one decade I know I can vape without it.

I doubt anything is going to change significantly fast, so there is time to learn to DIY, learn how long things last and stock up on stuff. Just don't wait too long.

 

[Neunerball]

I make my own juice, I have a few mods and attys and if need be I can make my own. Batteries, VG, PG, flavorings and voltage regulators are used for a lot of other things too so we should always be able to get them. The only thing that I think could get nasty is if nic base is controlled to the point that it gets really hard to get or is outrageously expensive.

By the end of my first year vaping I had weaned off nic totally and now I use it once in a while. I have a liter of 100 mg/ml in the freezer which should easily last me a couple of decades at the rate I use it and if it spoils after one decade I know I can vape without it.

I doubt anything is going to change significantly fast, so there is time to learn to DIY, learn how long things last and stock up on stuff. Just don't wait too long.

I agree with running out of nicotine base. However, if push comes to shove, either I'll plant my own tobacco plants, or buy some "unflavored" pipe tobacco, and extract the nicotine somehow.

 

[Samantha2058]

The best we can do right now is join CASAA, SFATA and follow Not Blowing Smoke on facebook. We have been calling and emailing the White House and all the reps, submitting testimonials, tweeting like crazy, getting attention drawn to HR2058, etc. It's going to take everyone possible getting involved, for sure. SFATA met a few days ago with OMB/OIRA and presented them with a 136 pg document that exposed the costs of not changing the grandfather date of the FDA regs, explained how what the FDA is doing is illegal and if the FDA continues, there will be litigation and when this type of litigation has been brought against the FDA, the FDA has lost every time. On December 15, CASAA will be meeting with OMB/OIRA and submitting testimonials. I really recommend following these groups and getting active. Black marketing this stuff or making your own isn't going to be as easy or safe as one might think. If you're interested in what is going to be taken away, it is everything produced after February 15, 2007. That includes but is not limited to ejuice, whether it has nicotine or not, coils, batteries, mods, tanks, all of it. It will ALL be labeled as tobacco. If a company wants to produce or sell any of this stuff, that company will have to apply for every product they make/sell at a cost of 2 million dollars per application. That means, for example, $2 million per flavor of juice, per nicotine strength, per pg/vg ratio. This is why it will put vape businesses out of business and this is part of what makes what the FDA is doing illigal and subject to litigation. There is a bright side and we can get HR2058 passed. Just a few days ago, it picked up 3 more co-sponsors, bringing it to 32 known supporters and something like 23 non-supporters.

 

[Neunerball]

The best we can do right now is join CASAA, SFATA and follow Not Blowing Smoke on facebook. We have been calling and emailing the White House and all the reps, submitting testimonials, tweeting like crazy, getting attention drawn to HR2058, etc. It's going to take everyone possible getting involved, for sure. SFATA met a few days ago with OMB/OIRA and presented them with a 136 pg document that exposed the costs of not changing the grandfather date of the FDA regs, explained how what the FDA is doing is illegal and if the FDA continues, there will be litigation and when this type of litigation has been brought against the FDA, the FDA has lost every time. On December 15, CASAA will be meeting with OMB/OIRA and submitting testimonials. I really recommend following these groups and getting active. Black marketing this stuff or making your own isn't going to be as easy or safe as one might think. If you're interested in what is going to be taken away, it is everything produced after February 15, 2007. That includes but is not limited to ejuice, whether it has nicotine or not, coils, batteries, mods, tanks, all of it. It will ALL be labeled as tobacco. If a company wants to produce or sell any of this stuff, that company will have to apply for every product they make/sell at a cost of 2 million dollars per application. That means, for example, $2 million per flavor of juice, per nicotine strength, per pg/vg ratio. This is why it will put vape businesses out of business and this is part of what makes what the FDA is doing illigal and subject to litigation. There is a bright side and we can get HR2058 passed. Just a few days ago, it picked up 3 more co-sponsors, bringing it to 32 known supporters and something like 23 non-supporters.

I'm a member of CASAA, and have done everything they asked for.

The only unsafe thing to do is extraction of nicotine, in order to be used for DIY. However, there are nicotine test kits, that can be used to determine the strength of the nicotine base, and/or juice.

 

[Samantha2058]

Using anything unregulated can be dangerous. Yes, I am sure there are experts who can get away with it, but out of the more than 9 million who vape, that number is pretty tiny.

 

[Ryedan]

I agree with running out of nicotine base. However, if push comes to shove, either I'll plant my own tobacco plants, or buy some "unflavored" pipe tobacco, and extract the nicotine somehow.

I have not looked seriously into extracting nic, but from the little I've read about it it's not easy to do. OTOH, there there's a will, there's a way

 

[Neunerball]

I have not looked seriously into extracting nic, but from the little I've read about it it's not easy to do. OTOH, there there's a will, there's a way

Extracting the nicotine won't be easy, especially when you're spoiled by the high quality nicotine bases, like sold by VT and others. The nicotine that you are able to extract, will have some additional flavor, depending on the source of your tobacco you're utilizing for extraction.

I've done my own research as well. And I'm not a chemist either. However, I didn't sleep in my Chemestry classes in school (9th grade) in Germany either, when differentiating the different alcohols, etc.

 

[drugarth]

just buy yourself a few litres of nic concentrate and some spare mods/tanks and your good to go regardless of what the FDA, or european TPD will do. It's the smokers who have not had the pleasure of the vaping experience who wil be fooked.

 

[Tarotcat]

Nic is pretty frequently used in research, so I have a hard time imagining that it will be banned, you might just have to order from a lab supply or convince your local research scientist to go into a little black market nic sales. (Also getting grey market, iffy stuff from other countries isn't difficult, worst case scenario your stuff gets grabbed by customs.)

 

[johnhdz21]

I'm a member of CASAA, and have done everything they asked for.

Just joined CASAA as well. Vape On!

 

[vape me]

Do you DIY? Stock up on all the nicotine you can. Stash back a few mods and batteries. If you don't make your own juice, get a stash going that'll last awhile, or make friends with someone who does DIY.
It'll blow over eventually.

Sounds just like people stocking up on guns after every mass shooting.

 

[Teresa P]

Sounds just like people stocking up on guns after every mass shooting.

I'm fine in that department with the one gun I have - it's a doozy.

 

[Kleinman]

Rarely does anything good ever happen when the government steps in to "help!"