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raymo2u

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Do you hold the spool at a 90 degree angle, forward towards the swivels, or backwards towards the drill?
I hold it 90° towards me and then back towards the drill SLIGHTLY, thist ensures the wraps are as tight as they can be and if you start working with higher guages it stands out more and more if they arent tight when you go to wrap your coil.

If its not tight you will get this when wrapping your coil (See the Spacing between the wraps):
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If you get it tightly wrapped the entire length it should look alot like the coil on the right in this pic:

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When using the spool I keep havin the wire wrap up on itself and go backwards and shit. I dont guess I just dont know the right tension to put on it or exactly how i should be holding the spool in my hand
 

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How do these look?
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I have almost went thru the entire 100ft of 32g today lol. I think I have finally got it downpat. I also have 2 bandaids on now ugh. I guess I will move up to 34g when I run thru the rest of the 32.
 

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When using the spool I keep havin the wire wrap up on itself and go backwards and shit. I dont guess I just dont know the right tension to put on it or exactly how i should be holding the spool in my hand
You need to pull it slightly forward from where it doesnt wrap back on itself, this also depends on how perfectly flat across the wire is and if its not at a angle in any direction.
 

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I had a lot of grief trying to make clapton wire in the beginning because I would constantly do well for 4-5 inches then have the wire wrap back onto itself. Then I made use of a swivel and started using wire still on the spool for my outer. When wire is coming directly off the spool it tends to have less imperfections, and imperfections can really bite you in the ass when you haven't perfected your technique yet. A spool also helps because the spool itself becomes a tension point for the outer wire. I don't think there's any one magic way that works for everyone, it's kind of this thing you can get tips on and then you just gotta master your own craft so to be speak. I will say, once you venture into specialty builds like claptons, helix wire, track coils, staple coils and things of the like, round wire builds just don't satisfy you anymore. Another key factor is keeping the perfect amount in tension in all the right places. Not too much, not too little, and it always has to be in the right place.

It can be overwhelmingly frustrating in the beginning, but once you get the craft down you can bang out ten feet of wire in just minutes like you were born to. But when you start out, you are GOING to fuck up, and you're going to fuck up a lot. You're going to fuck up when you've gotten good at it, it's just part of it. I remember spending sometimes two hours sitting there fucking up attempt after attempt and I began to just think I'd never get there. But if you keep at it, you do.

Your rhythm will vary on two things, how good your hand/eye coordination is for keeping tension on the right spots and what drill speeds you use most. To this day I try to avoid just hammering down the drill trigger because every time I get overly confident is when I fuck up the most, but you also don't want to go so slow every clapton wire session lasts twenty minutes for just a few feet.

The best way to look at it outside of the box, is to think of forces. You have wire going onto thicker wire, wrapping length by length side by side. Depending on the speed, which determines how fast the wraps happen, you'll need to modify your hand lean in the direction of the wraps. Too far, your wraps will gap out, too close, your wire will wrap over itself. There's a perfect 'lukewarm' zone of hand lean, tension and drill speed that you kind of just have to discover for yourself because everyone does things just a little different. A good thing to do is to prevent your tension point (like the spool) on the outer wrap to not be too close to the wire or too far away. There's a middle point that makes it easier. Too far out, and you'll have to lean into the direction more, too close and even the slightest leans can cause gaps.

As stupid as this may sound, when you hit your rhythm, you kind of become one with your drill speed. Leaning at just the right angle, with the right amount of tension, moving your hand along at just the right speed as your drill spins faster. You do eventually kind of go zen when doing it, your focus becomes unbelievable when you do this long enough.
 
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@mach1ne Finally got more wire. This is a pic of my first attempt on a fused clapton. Was suprisingly easier than single core.
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After this attempt I just fused about a 24 inch strand of fused now so I can build more coils. They didnt come out as tight cause my hand started getting tired lol but I think they will work. Will post more pics later.
 

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looks great man. you can see vast improvement from one post to the next in this thread. awesome :cheers:

and yeah i find fused and other cores that seem like they should be pretty wild to work with arent very different in the end. wrapping claptons feels like wrapping claptons. my hardest part is setting up things to clapton right now. i spent way too long yesterday trying to set up framed staples, so i gave up and made another set of regular ones. maybe ill get it today...
 

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my hardest part is setting up things to clapton right now
I cut about a 1ft piece of 2x4 and drilled a screw in it to attach my swivels to. Then I clamp it to my desk and lay my drill on its side. Then I take my core wire and bend it in half and put the 2 ends in the drill then hook the other side with the hoop to the swivels. Basically the same method that MTerk uses.
 

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I cut about a 1ft piece of 2x4 and drilled a screw in it to attach my swivels to. Then I clamp it to my desk and lay my drill on its side. Then I take my core wire and bend it in half and put the 2 ends in the drill then hook the other side with the hoop to the swivels. Basically the same method that MTerk uses.
I think he means stacking the strips of ribbon wire and that kind of setup.
 

mach1ne

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yeah im talking about getting back to the drill from your swivels with like ten (or eleven if you count the clapton wrap) strands that all have to stay parallel and un-twisted. practice practice practice sedatives practice practice
 

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yeah im talking about getting back to the drill from your swivels with like ten (or eleven if you count the clapton wrap) strands that all have to stay parallel and un-twisted. practice practice practice sedatives practice practice
Ahh my bad I didnt read it close enough. I will eventually get into n80 and ribbon wire and shit. Right now just wanna learn how to build the basics. Here is the first build goin into an Aromamizer Supreme... 7 wrap 2.5mm KA1 26/32 at around .37 ohms
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