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Darth Omerta

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Hey darlin. After it sits that long, it's possible the alcohol might evap out. But since you mentioned it I will tell you that according to Kurt Kistler who is kinda the resident chemist on ECF, and just looking it up, it's really not good to inhale alcohol. I wouldn't think drinking alcohol would be much different than rubbing alcohol in this sense. Just wanted to let you know.
Yeah I did see that and I knew about it when I tried it, but my mindset was more along the lines of what I inhaled when I smoked being far worse than the tiny amount that Im consuming in the e-juice. Im nowhere near the level of chemist that Dr. Kurt is and I would never dispute his claims but personally I see a difference in the alcohol content between drinkable alcohol at 40% and rubbing alcohol at 90%+. Im definitely not making any claims that using drinkable alcohol in e-juice is safe. Just sharing my experience with taking a shot on something different. By no means is this something I intend to do regularly.
 

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Howdy Deb!!!!(did I say that right? I mean with my quirky Canadian accent and all? ;) )

This thread sure did perk up a bit today its been fun! :D

Never tried soaking bread in milk before adding to ground beef, if I were to try it I'd lean more towards buttermilk or cream for the fat content. Sounds like a good trick though.

Awesome score on your GC!!!! Just DONT order the Predator(on a flash sale right now for real cheap)...mine still hasnt arrived yet and Im already disappointed!:(
hehehe Jup you howdy'd just fine! Proud of ya! :teehee:
Yuck, sorry yur predator hasn't shown up. No idea what I'll end up getting. Maybe a few inexpensive mods to be able to give to folks that want to try vaping. Met a lady at church that tried it a few years ago, but didn't do well with it. I told her a lot has changed in the last couple of years. Mostly she didn't like fruity juices, so I told her to call me, I could make her some unflavored juice and let her try some of my stuff.

jup just soak a couple slice of white bread in a little milk, til it falls apart then mix it into the meat. I honestly haven't tried it in burgers, but did in meatloaf one time. It was ok, definitely made it moist, and tender, but dunno, just something about it that didn't impress me. Not sure what exactly.

Nope sitting in a pew which was padded :)
And the roof did not fall in because I was there.
actually pretty nice service. a real Pipe organ and a a string quartet.
Glad you enjoyed it. :)
 

Debadoo

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I would never dispute his claims but personally I see a difference in the alcohol content between drinkable alcohol at 40% and rubbing alcohol at 90%+.
that was just me, he was just talking about folks putting rubbin alcohol in the juice for TH, and I don't know nuttin about it so there might be a difference. And LIS, after that amt of time, the alcohol might have evapped off.
 

Darth Omerta

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hehehe Jup you howdy'd just fine! Proud of ya! :teehee:
Yuck, sorry yur predator hasn't shown up. No idea what I'll end up getting. Maybe a few inexpensive mods to be able to give to folks that want to try vaping. Met a lady at church that tried it a few years ago, but didn't do well with it. I told her a lot has changed in the last couple of years. Mostly she didn't like fruity juices, so I told her to call me, I could make her some unflavored juice and let her try some of my stuff.

jup just soak a couple slice of white bread in a little milk, til it falls apart then mix it into the meat. I honestly haven't tried it in burgers, but did in meatloaf one time. It was ok, definitely made it moist, and tender, but dunno, just something about it that didn't impress me. Not sure what exactly.


Glad you enjoyed it. :)

My fault for ordering from China, but apparently its in Canada and waiting on customs to get a look at it before its on its merry way. Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll reject it and I'll get a full refund! I am not impressed with what Ive seen so far with the 510s popping out because of a terrible decision to press fit the connection and doom the mod to failure.

I currently have 4 mods and tanks out on "loan" with bottles of DIY juice custom made for the person I gave them to for the sole purpose of getting them into vaping! So many people around my town have such a bad taste in their mouths from going to the local B&Ms(one specifically) that they have no idea how good vaping can actually be. Good on ya for helping others get into the game!
 

Debadoo

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My fault for ordering from China, but apparently its in Canada and waiting on customs to get a look at it before its on its merry way. Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll reject it and I'll get a full refund! I am not impressed with what Ive seen so far with the 510s popping out because of a terrible decision to press fit the connection and doom the mod to failure.

I currently have 4 mods and tanks out on "loan" with bottles of DIY juice custom made for the person I gave them to for the sole purpose of getting them into vaping! So many people around my town have such a bad taste in their mouths from going to the local B&Ms(one specifically) that they have no idea how good vaping can actually be. Good on ya for helping others get into the game!
Well in that case I hope it doesn't come! :D That's great you're able to help folks. I don't get out much, and haven't actually been able to get anyone vaping yet, but keep trying. That's all I can do, they gotta be ready and willing
 

Darth Omerta

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Well in that case I hope it doesn't come! :D That's great you're able to help folks. I don't get out much, and haven't actually been able to get anyone vaping yet, but keep trying. That's all I can do, they gotta be ready and willing
I love to get people into vaping but you're absolutely right, they gotta want it. If someone mentions that they might want to try it then I give them the info I have and offer to get them set up with a test run. I'll help with ordering and make them juices if I have something that suits their palate. Generally speaking though, I dont offer unless the interest is expressed in the first place.
 

Rixsta

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I'm going to behave today !

I really wanted to get a review up of a fantastic mod today and part write a few more for later in the week but I have been called into a meeting in the shop to discuss these new stupid vape laws that are coming into effect next month..
 

Rixsta

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Have they come up with a plan yet to recycle all those 10 ml bottles? :slowclap:
Not to mention the little boxes they come in ha
^This!

To me the 10ml bottle and the 2ml tank thing is excessive and unnecessary.
It's going to kill every single vape shop in the UK because the money is in the juice, always has been, plus nobody wants to buy 2ml tanks unless your a MTL vapor and there isn't much of a call for that around here.

I see no way forward but to close the shop before we lose more than we make.

We mix our own and the new nic laws are killing that too, our in house juice is now too expensive to make (or will be soon) and we can't even sell it in 30ml bottles, our 120ml bottles of in house juice was our bread and butter.

Game over, I've had the guy that build this shop up from scratch in tears today as he has a family to support and it's heart breaking to see this popular place go under.

Of course, we can still sell 300w mods :rolleyes:

oh and @Debadoo Congrats, that's great news !
 
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Darth Omerta

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Not to mention the little boxes they come in ha

It's going to kill every single vape shop in the UK because the money is in the juice, always has been, plus nobody wants to buy 2ml tanks unless your a MTL vapor and there isn't much of a call for that around here.

I see no way forward but to close the shop before we lose more than we make.

We mix our own and the new nic laws are killing that too, our in house juice is now too expensive to make (or will be soon) and we can't even sell it in 30ml bottles, our 120ml bottles of in house juice was our bread and butter.

Game over, I've had the guy that build this shop up from scratch in tears today as he has a family to support and it's heart breaking to see this popular place go under.

Of course, we can still sell 300w mods :rolleyes:

Is it not still possible to make your own and use heat shrink wrap to "tamper proof" your bottles? Make big batches of your top selling juices and package them into small 10ml bottles. It kills the customizability but even with the new laws people will still need juice. Id imagine the 2ml tank rule will lead a lot more people to RDA usage but Im guessing squonking would be out of the question unless you're allowed to carry larger portions than 10ml and the law only affects the sale of bottles.

My thoughts would be along the lines of selling 10ml bottles for $3 which should cover the cost of making and packaging them, plus a bit of profit. Its not the 900% markup that I get on my juice here($10 for a juice that costs less than $1 to make including bottles and labels) but if you're making big batches and selling them in large numbers of small quantity it does add up.

Just something to think about.
 

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The whole damned thing is just so arbitrary. How did the brain trust decide that 2 ml tank-ettes and 10 ml bottles (let's not forget the nic level thing either) was the "right" idea? :facepalm:
Because to chip away at the vaping industry will hopefully make people switch back to smoking, there is no other reason, it sure as hell isn't for our safety or the welfare of our children, if that really was the case then a complete ban on (REAL) tobacco products would have been done when it became common knowledge that it was killing people but Mr Big and his friends are making way to much money for that to ever happen.

And what do they attack the most, nicotine, this dangerous drug that they have been selling for 100s of years and still are, along with the other 10 thousand chemicals in their death sticks. Nicotine on it's own in liquid form is a totally different beast and is less harmful than sugar, it's even been known to have it's benefits. They say they are diluting it for safety, in case a child drinks it maybe, how many years have we had a bottle of bleach under the sink, no, it isn't for safety reasons, it never has been.

Rixy has always said that Nic without all those other chemicals is way less addictive.

It's shocking that we have finally found something that works, something that actually makes people stop smoking and we have never said it is 100% safe but it's a far far better alternative to smoking and instead of destroying it, they should be funding it, what is more important than saving lives ? Oh yes, making money.

My sister was a prime example of what vaping can do for you, she never smoked and vapes nic free, she had a very big weight problem, a total sweet tooth, she replaced sugar with vaping dessert type vapes and lost all her weight, probably saved her life.

The success stories are endless but they would rather advertise exploding batteries than the lives that are being saved. I'll take an exploding battery over suffocating to death which I watched my Grandad do with the tar on his lungs from their products..puking up brown shit as his grand kids held his hand.

I say, you want to cut nicotine, reduce tank sizes and the ml or e liquids, why don't you set you cigarette making machines to cut your death sticks shorter so they are only one inch long, isn't that a better way of reducing harm ? Or maybe you should ban fucking superkings !

Bastards (and I don't swear lol)
 

Rixsta

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Is it not still possible to make your own and use heat shrink wrap to "tamper proof" your bottles? Make big batches of your top selling juices and package them into small 10ml bottles. It kills the customizability but even with the new laws people will still need juice. Id imagine the 2ml tank rule will lead a lot more people to RDA usage but Im guessing squonking would be out of the question unless you're allowed to carry larger portions than 10ml and the law only affects the sale of bottles.

My thoughts would be along the lines of selling 10ml bottles for $3 which should cover the cost of making and packaging them, plus a bit of profit. Its not the 900% markup that I get on my juice here($10 for a juice that costs less than $1 to make including bottles and labels) but if you're making big batches and selling them in large numbers of small quantity it does add up.

Just something to think about.
We have being discussing the very thing today, I have suggested to put the biggest order of 7.2% nicotine in and we can freeze it, just like we have all being doing for out own personal use but on a much larger scale, big chest freezers full of the stuff...

We are unclear whether that is against the law though, as in, does this law apply to old stock and can we still use it after the law takes effect in May.

I say bollocks to it, lets just do it and keep quiet lol

Trouble is, this is just the start of these silly laws, if this doesn't slow down the vaping industry and increase their profits, they will bring more and more laws out until there is nothing left.

There is a lot more BS to come yet.
 

Rickajho

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The nicotine argument is total bull. If I do my ciphering... at my current vape levels I'm only taking in about 15 mg's of nicotine per day. Tops. But if anyone wants to drive me right back to my 2 PAD habit then that would shoot up to over 40 mg's per day.

The blinders are clearly up when they start limiting "bad" nicotine while the cigarette market - tar and all that jazz included - is still a free for all. Of course we can see that. The problem is doing something about it. Sigh...
 

Rickajho

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We have being discussing the very thing today, I have suggested to put the biggest order of 7.2% nicotine in and we can freeze it, just like we have all being doing for out own personal use but on a much larger scale, big chest freezers full of the stuff...

We are unclear whether that is against the law though, as in, does this law apply to old stock and can we still use it after the law takes effect in May.

I say bollocks to it, lets just do it and keep quiet lol

Trouble is, this is just the start of these silly laws, if this doesn't slow down the vaping industry and increase their profits, they will bring more and more laws out until there is nothing left.

There is a lot more BS to come yet.

I see you guys selling the same twelve 10 ml bottles over and over again. What happens behind the bottles is no one's business.
 

Rixsta

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The nicotine argument is total bull. If I do my ciphering... at my current vape levels I'm only taking in about 15 mg's of nicotine per day. Tops. But if anyone wants to drive me right back to my 2 PAD habit then that would shoot up to over 40 mg's per day.

The blinders are clearly up when they start limiting "bad" nicotine while the cigarette market - tar and all that jazz included - is still a free for all. Of course we can see that. The problem is doing something about it. Sigh...
Absolutely.

I vaped nic free for 2 weeks and I was OK, yeah, slightly moody and edgy but take my smokes away for a day and I would of killed someone lol

I see you guys selling the same twelve 10 ml bottles over and over again. What happens behind the bottles is no one's business.
Yup, this too !
 

Debadoo

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Hugs and luvs...sounds like care bear names
yuck! lol :rolleyes:

I'm going to behave today !
you always behave luv, just sometimes, badly :D

Have they come up with a plan yet to recycle all those 10 ml bottles?
excellent point

Sweet win! I must have missed that contest, congrats Deb!
thanks darlin!

Game over, I've had the guy that build this shop up from scratch in tears today as he has a family to support and it's heart breaking to see this popular place go under.
Of course, we can still sell 300w mods
oh and @Debadoo Congrats, that's great news
That breaks my heart. But hopefully y'all can figure something out. Definitely find out soon as you can if it applies to old stock, if not, stock up on as much high nic as you can. Jup, do 10s of the most popular flavors, and and high nic, then also sell 0 nic so folks can cut it. It will be expensive, as flavors often can be more expensive than the nic.

The whole damned thing is just so arbitrary. How did the brain trust decide that 2 ml tank-ettes and 10 ml bottles (let's not forget the nic level thing either) was the "right" idea
JUP!

but Mr Big and his friends are making way to much money for that to ever happen.
you got it, and it's sickening!

Mornin y'all
 

Debadoo

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@Debadoo Hiya. How are you today and what did you win, I missed it and I'm on my phone so cba to find it.
Was it a mod ?
Hey darlin.....doin fine cept for rain pain :D I won $100 GC from Gearbest. Don't have all the info yet on how to get it, but that will give me some time to scour the site. Will try to get at least a couple inexpensive but nice mods to have if I run across folks that want to try vaping to get off cigs.
 

Debadoo

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Deb how is the back thingy working out? Any signs of improvement?
Not so far, but I have what I call rain pain. It's been raining or rain around us since I got it done. Affects the same area, and is a good bit worse than regular pain. No way to tell really if the nerve burning worked until all the rain goes away. Forecast shows it on or around us at least all the rest of this week. Have a pain clinic appt today, and that's what I have to tell em. They want a % of how much it worked, right now it's zero, but that may just be due to the rain
 

Rickajho

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Not so far, but I have what I call rain pain. It's been raining or rain around us since I got it done. Affects the same area, and is a good bit worse than regular pain. No way to tell really if the nerve burning worked until all the rain goes away. Forecast shows it on or around us at least all the rest of this week. Have a pain clinic appt today, and that's what I have to tell em. They want a % of how much it worked, right now it's zero, but that may just be due to the rain

Support like. :hug:
 

Darth Omerta

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Thanks darlin! Imma hug ho so will always take all of em I can get. We all have crap we have to go through and deal with......this is mine. :)
:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

:D

Sorry that the back pain is still strong. Hope they can help today.

We have being discussing the very thing today, I have suggested to put the biggest order of 7.2% nicotine in and we can freeze it, just like we have all being doing for out own personal use but on a much larger scale, big chest freezers full of the stuff...

We are unclear whether that is against the law though, as in, does this law apply to old stock and can we still use it after the law takes effect in May.

I say bollocks to it, lets just do it and keep quiet lol

Trouble is, this is just the start of these silly laws, if this doesn't slow down the vaping industry and increase their profits, they will bring more and more laws out until there is nothing left.

There is a lot more BS to come yet.

I havent seen the way that the laws were written, just a point form list of the changes they would impose. To me it looked like the law about 10ml bottles is just a limit on what can be sold and how it must be packaged. To me that means that any shop who is making juice and selling it must adhere to the law as it pertains to the sale of their product but it doesnt seem that there is anything stopping said shop from making as big a batch as they wish and portioning it into small bottles for sale.

In Canada we have some impending National regulations that are going to change the vaping industry but so far none of the proposals seem too outrageous. They will be looking at the manufacturing, packaging and sale of e-juice and setting some form of standard in that department. Hopefully they wont put limits on how big a bottle can be sold.

Truly if you look at it, there is nothing stopping anyone from going in to a tobaconist and purchasing several cartons of cigarettes or tubs of loose tobacco for rolling their own. Perhaps there is your answer. Selling multi-packs of 10ml bottles as if they were cartons of cigarettes...I can hear the pass-by conversation now..."Hey mate, where you headed?" "To the vape shop to pick up a sixer/twelve pack/two-four(whatever)"
 

Debadoo

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Sorry that the back pain is still strong. Hope they can help today.
:inlove::blowkiss: love da hugs!

today is just to refill my pain meds and tell em how the nerve burning worked. If it had worked well, we might could have set an appt to do the left side, but now that will have to wait til at least next month since I can't tell em it worked at all at this point.
 

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I havent seen the way that the laws were written, just a point form list of the changes they would impose. To me it looked like the law about 10ml bottles is just a limit on what can be sold and how it must be packaged. To me that means that any shop who is making juice and selling it must adhere to the law as it pertains to the sale of their product but it doesnt seem that there is anything stopping said shop from making as big a batch as they wish and portioning it into small bottles for sale.

In Canada we have some impending National regulations that are going to change the vaping industry but so far none of the proposals seem too outrageous. They will be looking at the manufacturing, packaging and sale of e-juice and setting some form of standard in that department. Hopefully they wont put limits on how big a bottle can be sold.

Truly if you look at it, there is nothing stopping anyone from going in to a tobaconist and purchasing several cartons of cigarettes or tubs of loose tobacco for rolling their own. Perhaps there is your answer. Selling multi-packs of 10ml bottles as if they were cartons of cigarettes...I can hear the pass-by conversation now..."Hey mate, where you headed?" "To the vape shop to pick up a sixer/twelve pack/two-four(whatever)"
Yeah that is the route we are going to go, it's so stupid when you think about it lol.....Thanks for the input buddy.

time to get ready for appt. talk to y'all later
Hope it goes OK
 
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Debadoo

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But don't take the script pad...cause then its a felony.
lol It's ridiculous. First off no one here even will Rx opiods except a pain clinic, and the one in my town doesn't do that, I have to drive 30 mins to another town. Unless it's just a temp thing like a dentist or an injury, they might do a weeks worth or something not sure. I've been going there about a year I think. Nothing to suggest any abuse, no history of abuse, they pee test ya every once in awhile to make sure you're taking it and not selling it. Don't wanna give em any ideas, but soon it'll be down to the hour you can get it filled. 20 people show up at the pharmacy during their 30 minute window to get a scrip filled. :rolleyes:
 

Darth Omerta

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lol It's ridiculous. First off no one here even will Rx opiods except a pain clinic, and the one in my town doesn't do that, I have to drive 30 mins to another town. Unless it's just a temp thing like a dentist or an injury, they might do a weeks worth or something not sure. I've been going there about a year I think. Nothing to suggest any abuse, no history of abuse, they pee test ya every once in awhile to make sure you're taking it and not selling it. Don't wanna give em any ideas, but soon it'll be down to the hour you can get it filled. 20 people show up at the pharmacy during their 30 minute window to get a scrip filled. :rolleyes:

The many innocent pay for the guilty few. :gaah:
 

Rickajho

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thanks. It was just a med check, but the idiot put the wrong fill date on my script, so now if I can't get that fixed, I'll run out.

What did they screw up?

In this day of modern miracles - like computerized medicine - I once had an MD print out a refill script... without changing the date from the last fill before he printed it and signed it.

The effing pharmacist accused me of trying to pass a photocopy of a prescription rather than doing something more appropriate - like calling the dumbass doc to check what happened. :mad:
 

Debadoo

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The many innocent pay for the guilty few.
Jup it's the American way dontchya know

What did they screw up?
In this day of modern miracles - like computerized medicine - I once had an MD print out a refill script... without changing the date from the last fill before he printed it and signed it.
The effing pharmacist accused me of trying to pass a photocopy of a prescription rather than doing something more appropriate - like calling the dumbass doc to check what happened.
First off he didn't account for 30 day scrips and 31 day months, but it's been fillable up to 2 days early and this time they said because he put that on there, that they couldn't fill it til Friday.

Wow.......what a jerk pharmacist! They just automatically assume folks are trying to cheat
 

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