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Lizzardking

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Dumb question to color as I she some pic of foamy like bubbles saturation the coils then all these colds pop up I know pulse firing at 20- 25 w is key I usually rosy gold had some deep purplish Marroons n blues but second I crank watts to pinch n tweak they loose all the color n the end up that rose orange goldfish color
 

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Dumb question to color as I she some pic of foamy like bubbles saturation the coils then all these colds pop up I know pulse firing at 20- 25 w is key I usually rosy gold had some deep purplish Marroons n blues but second I crank watts to pinch n tweak they loose all the color n the end up that rose orange goldfish color

Once your coil gets to a certain temperature, the color goes away. Try to take your time and tweek coils at low wattage.
 

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Hmm these didnt color well oh well
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Should have done the game face? :D Great job though!
 

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Them 7/8 fishies yea its 28g ss that's the geekvape avocado 24 rdta bottom airflow

Massive improvement looks really good! How's the ramp up on them?
 

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Massive improvement looks really good! How's the ramp up on them?
Quick as fuck I made these about two weeks ago before that test strand clapt n the 3 strands I posted 105 145 w one issues the coils soo close to the cap the cap was getting super hot to point would burn ya lips n the condensate inside would turn the cotton putrid poop brown need a bigger atty like the temple with its massive air flow, diameter n thickness of the cap can actually cool them like these pups that ohm .13 .12 can vape on the temple at 150 w comfortable n can actually chain vape at them watts
 

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MannyScoot

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How did you obtain such awesome colors
Burning it around 20 watts.... Real slow and brushing the coils...... Really slow... don't ramp them red hot..... And the colors appear slowly........

Here is everything you want to know about alien coils from the man himself...

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Tried my hand at a hybrid coil. Wish I could wrap em as good as I could make em nowadays. 28gK/ 6x.4KR/38gN80. I need a vice.View attachment 83762
Coilmaster V4 Jig...Its very convenient with a slit cut in to bend a lead and it hold that lead....then it gives your 2 inches of rod length to coil it on, offers 1.5mm to 4mm rods and its pretty cheap on ebay $10-$12.

No Vise needed.
 

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Coilmaster V4 Jig...Its very convenient with a slit cut in to bend a lead and it hold that lead....then it gives your 2 inches of rod length to coil it on, offers 1.5mm to 4mm rods and its pretty cheap on ebay $10-$12.

No Vise needed.

I have this Raymo at least I think it's the v4 yet I still struggle wrapping ribbon without it kinking up like this as well it there a proper technique to it cause I do use the slit to put the leg into
 

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I have this Raymo at least I think it's the v4 yet I still struggle wrapping ribbon without it kinking up like this as well it there a proper technique to it cause I do use the slit to put the leg into
What size Ribbon are you using .5? I have issues with .5 and bigger ribbon when coiling but those issues are basically gone using .3 and .4 Ribbon, even less of issue using n80 or SS Ribbon
 

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What size Ribbon are you using .5? I have issues with .5 and bigger ribbon when coiling but those issues are basically gone using .3 and .4 Ribbon, even less of issue using n80 or SS Ribbon
My very first coil build was using 4ply .5 Kanthal ribbon. I did not have any issues with it when coiling, but that's only because I had watched OhmboyOC's video tutorial on YouTube of how to build a stapled helix... specifically, the coiling part of the video tutorial. I actually even posted the link to this same video right here in this very thread... ages ago. :giggle:
 

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I have this Raymo at least I think it's the v4 yet I still struggle wrapping ribbon without it kinking up like this as well it there a proper technique to it cause I do use the slit to put the leg into
Do you mean all ribbon or framed ribbon?
If it's framed your fuse needs to be on there with a bit of tension and it helps if there's alot of it. A 40g SSFC is going to have almost twice as many fuses as a 36g fuse plus the 40g won't have a hump or anything like that. It'll just go flat across.
Hold the wire in that groove with your thumb and wrap it one time fully, then you can let off your thumb and keep tension on the wire. Then you just keep that tension as you wrap it, when you can't wrap anymore use your finger as a stop to keep the tension then grab it and wrap again.

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What size Ribbon are you using .5? I have issues with .5 and bigger ribbon when coiling but those issues are basically gone using .3 and .4 Ribbon, even less of issue using n80 or SS Ribbon

Using 0.4 and 0.3 kanthal ribbon

Did some straight staples with 42g wrap and 0.3 ribbon came out really nice then I went to coil it and it wants to twist it's crazy as whiteowl pointed out I did wrap it with enough tension nothing was lose

But same thing happens on anything I use with ribbon 0.4 as well :( like the below see the back coil there

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Do you mean all ribbon or framed ribbon?
If it's framed your fuse needs to be on there with a bit of tension and it helps if there's alot of it. A 40g SSFC is going to have almost twice as many fuses as a 36g fuse plus the 40g won't have a hump or anything like that. It'll just go flat across.
Hold the wire in that groove with your thumb and wrap it one time fully, then you can let off your thumb and keep tension on the wire. Then you just keep that tension as you wrap it, when you can't wrap anymore use your finger as a stop to keep the tension then grab it and wrap again.

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How far into the groove the whole way?see you have to come out at an angle or am I doing it wrong? LoL
 

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How far into the groove the whole way?see you have to come out at an angle or am I doing it wrong? LoL
It'll be at an angle. The idea is you hold it in that groove and get one full wrap then let go of the wire in the groove and it'll stay in that groove as you keep tension on it. Then your other hand is more free to help keep tension on it.

The only thing you do differently is staples. Basically you have to hold it in and get that first wrap perfect or the whole thing will fail. With framed stuff it doesn't matter how the first wrap looks.

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It'll be at an angle. The idea is you hold it in that groove and get one full wrap then let go of the wire in the groove and it'll stay in that groove as you keep tension on it. Then your other hand is more free to help keep tension on it.

The only thing you do differently is staples. Basically you have to hold it in and get that first wrap perfect or the whole thing will fail. With framed stuff it doesn't matter how the first wrap looks.

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So after the first one do you move your free finger along each coil to hold tension on that one while doing the next?

Also when pulling out that first which is at an angle so the coil it nice and straight it's all twisted up so I always get one wonky leg
 

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Yeah (assuming you coil with the jig in your left hand) you just free up your left thumb and index so when you're right has coiled as much as it can you can reach out and hold the tension while you reposition.

You should be able to pull a framed wrap off with some tension and keep it straight. I've actually rewraped that part before and made it part of the coil.
When you pull it off you want to hold the coil still and put some tension on it while you back the wrap off.
If that doesn't work then the fuse may just have too much room in it. The frames need to be fixed to the ribbon to force it straight from side to side.
That's what I was getting at when I said an all ribbon build needs to be coiled perfectly. When you back a wrap off one it'll zigzag

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Yeah (assuming you coil with the jig in your left hand) you just free up your left thumb and index so when you're right has coiled as much as it can you can reach out and hold the tension while you reposition.

You should be able to pull a framed wrap off with some tension and keep it straight. I've actually rewraped that part before and made it part of the coil.
When you pull it off you want to hold the coil still and put some tension on it while you back the wrap off.
If that doesn't work then the fuse may just have too much room in it. The frames need to be fixed to the ribbon to force it straight from side to side.
That's what I was getting at when I said an all ribbon build needs to be coiled perfectly. When you back a wrap off one it'll zigzag

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Ok mate thanks do t think I'm going wildly wrong here just might be holding it wrong as I go by sounds of it I'm keeping hold of it in the slit the whole way
 

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Using 0.4 and 0.3 kanthal ribbon

Did some straight staples with 42g wrap and 0.3 ribbon came out really nice then I went to coil it and it wants to twist it's crazy as whiteowl pointed out I did wrap it with enough tension nothing was lose

But same thing happens on anything I use with ribbon 0.4 as well :( like the below see the back coil there

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Thought mabey I could help here. The same happened to me and it really pissed me off! Havent tried N80 ribbon but Pre streching KA1 helps alot. Even if it comes off spool flat. Prestrech anyway. Im also using a vise all the time. 1/2 coil, hold with thumb, reposition plyers, do another 1/2 turn, hold with thumb etc.. basiclly i never release the tension till its finished. This has made my wraps come out nice tight and even. I do alot with .4 ribbon.
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Thought mabey I could help here. The same happened to me and it really pissed me off! Havent tried N80 ribbon but Pre streching KA1 helps alot. Even if it comes off spool flat. Prestrech anyway. Im also using a vise all the time. 1/2 coil, hold with thumb, reposition plyers, do another 1/2 turn, hold with thumb etc.. basiclly i never release the tension till its finished. This has made my wraps come out nice tight and even. I do alot with .4 ribbon.
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Thanks dusty yeah I do that on all my ribbon regardless ...don't have a vice unfortunately but I know I'm not maintaining the tension properly all the way

By they way that's a shit load of coils right there lol
What Ultrasonic cleaner do you use only I'm getting one and need to land on a decent one for good price can't afford expensive one at the moment
 

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Thanks dusty yeah I do that on all my ribbon regardless ...don't have a vice unfortunately but I know I'm not maintaining the tension properly all the way

By they way that's a shit load of coils right there lol
What Ultrasonic cleaner do you use only I'm getting one and need to land on a decent one for good price can't afford expensive one at the moment
Its an isonic but dont buy it. Timer on it is a pain and only has a 30minute duty cycle. It worked in a pinch

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Coilmaster USC cycles for 30 seconds or a minute or some shit...I havent timed it but I run it twice and everything is good to go....I still end up brushing everything after...something about it sitting in water doesnt make me believe it got everything out but my pics say differently...Its only $40 so not bad compared to most USCs
 

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Its an isonic but dont buy it. Timer on it is a pain and only has a 30minute duty cycle. It worked in a pinch

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Cool no worries

Coilmaster USC cycles for 30 seconds or a minute or some shit...I havent timed it but I run it twice and everything is good to go....I still end up brushing everything after...something about it sitting in water doesnt make me believe it got everything out but my pics say differently...Its only $40 so not bad compared to most USCs

Yeah been looking at this one as a starter jobby maybe I'll just go for that see how it goes


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26(2)x 32ga kanthal fused clapton, 7 wraps on 3mm. resistance is pretty high but this is the first coil I ever built in my life....lol pretty proud and messed up a few times. I am vaping it on my new Pharaoh rta @65w on an alien 220 with top airflow closed and bottom half open.

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Dustyjeans

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Coilmaster USC cycles for 30 seconds or a minute or some shit...I havent timed it but I run it twice and everything is good to go....I still end up brushing everything after...something about it sitting in water doesnt make me believe it got everything out but my pics say differently...Its only $40 so not bad compared to most USCs
The isonic i got goes 8minutes max but other than that it looks just like the coil master. Im running them for around 30min in deionized water. I know i know...overkill rite?! Its is my major character flaw.

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Dustyjeans

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Thanks dusty yeah I do that on all my ribbon regardless ...don't have a vice unfortunately but I know I'm not maintaining the tension properly all the way

By they way that's a shit load of coils right there lol
What Ultrasonic cleaner do you use only I'm getting one and need to land on a decent one for good price can't afford expensive one at the moment
Im a guitar builder so i repurposed this vise for coil wrapping. Its perfect. Pricey but it was just sitting there so i gave it a try. The mandrel lays nice on the top so it stays square with no effort.
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hey @Lizzardking a good trick is to work out your hot spots and get them glowing smoothly at very low power on a regulated device, in a very dark room. its easier to see the hot spots in the dark and you can work them all out before they actually get hot enough to burn off your colors. then you just pulse the coils a bit hotter each time (let them cool in between) until they color up the way you like (often with a bit more tinkering with hotspots)...
 

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Coilmaster V4 Jig...Its very convenient with a slit cut in to bend a lead and it hold that lead....then it gives your 2 inches of rod length to coil it on, offers 1.5mm to 4mm rods and its pretty cheap on ebay $10-$12.

No Vise needed.
Nice... Couple of more times and they will be beautiful !!!!!

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Oh kingpin j Riley raymo n that asshat twatwaffle that bashed my "trail" take this n shove it where the sun don't shine I present my first 3 strand "guppy" Clapton braid 28 ka1 core 36 ss wrap View attachment 83904 View attachment 83905

Hey good job mate does it make it harder to put more tension between the braids to close the gaps a little or does it try and twist when you pull it too tight?
 

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Hey good job mate does it make it harder to put more tension between the braids to close the gaps a little or does it try and twist when you pull it too tight?
I used my keyring foot drill method only issue is when a twisted the wire to the ring the 36 snapped n decored about 2 in so I got about 2 feet aliened 36 g lol but tension was good I would of did a fishtail instead of guppy but the pieces Jay sent me were just lol short for 6 strand had to settle 3 I have the new muskateer by blitz industries n will be installation them in there 20170608_153714.jpg
 

Dustyjeans

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I used my keyring foot drill method only issue is when a twisted the wire to the ring the 36 snapped n decored about 2 in so I got about 2 feet aliened 36 g lol but tension was good I would of did a fishtail instead of guppy but the pieces Jay sent me were just lol short for 6 strand had to settle 3 I have the new muskateer by blitz industries n will be installation them in there View attachment 83907
I must be missing something. Did you make the claptons too or just the braids?

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