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I have been Vaping for an entire year now. Within that single year I have learned so much more about e-cigarettes and everything related than I would have ever expected. Within that year I went from a Mod Envy fan trying to quit smoking to a young, passionate entrepreneur of a rapidly growing E-liquid company and a one of a kind vaping enthusiast . I have always been a business-minded person, when I was in 6th grade I would buy blank skateboards off of ebay for $10 a piece, paint them and sell them to my friends at school. I even had a local sponsored skate team to represent the company. Of course, as the causality for most entrepreneurs unfolds, that business plan did not the capacity for longevity, neither did my next business, or the next one.
That is when I started vaping, as I became more and more interested in Vaping and E-cigarettes, I started doing more research as all vapers eventually do. A friend of mine who got me into Vaping was far ahead of me in know-how; we would talk frequently about juice, mods, whats new, whats good, etc. At the time I was a poor, unemployed, struggling freelance graphic designer and videographer. I was looking for something else to invest all the assets I had. At the same time, my friend and I had been having troubles really finding good juice that we liked. We tried MBV, Fanceejuice, Space Jam, Greenman, all the popular stuff at the time. So my friend starts looking up stuff about DIY, that leads to him looking at bulk prices of ingredients, and eventually doing all the math for how much a 30ml bottle would cost. I can't remember the exact number he came up with but it was around $1. When I heard that, the first thing I thought was "No way, that's just not possible." So I spent a few days searching the web, looking at wholesale vg/pg and other ingredients throwing numbers together and what do you know?
Currently, before wage expenses, spillage, and all the other small costs that go along with operating a laboratory and a general business, it COSTS US $1.09 in ingredients on average to manufacture a 30ml glass bottle (clear or amber) including childproof dropper caps! And that is without us even buying ingredients in the highest possible bulk quantities. When I found these numbers out, I was outraged. Not even just at the industry itself, but mainly at the Vaping community. I was angry that no one of importance in the Vaping community has ever brought this to the public's attention. Large California companies are ripping you people off and laughing as they drive away in their Mercedes.
I have become so passionate about this problem that it pushed me not only start my own company and sell juice at fair prices, but to also advocate for lower prices in the industry as it is just downright UNFAIR for the lower class. It is my personal opinion that the roots of Vaping is 100% cessation. Vaping has ALWAYS been about quiting smoking, and a large part of that is cost reduction. The Industry has not only been turned into a trend-based consumer whirlpool, but it has actually become MORE EXPENSIVE than smoking cigarettes. With more RDAs coming out and more higher powered regulated devices, low-ohm vaping is at an all time high in popularity. I go through about 60ml a week vaping at around 3-6mg/ml. I consider that to be pretty average but quite a lot compared to when I first started vaping. When I smoked cigarettes, it would take me about 2-3 days to finish a pack. I have plenty of customers and friends who say they can easily vape a 30ml or even a 60ml in a single day. Now consider this, when I smoked cigarettes, it would cost me $20 a week tops to buy cigarettes, that was granted that I had friends who let me bum some; if you are buying juice from a vape shop or California company, you are paying around $44 a week not including what it costs for accessories, cotton, wire, all of which are also all overpriced in pretty much any vape shop. The reason why I believe this is such an important injustice is that at least 50% of all the profit made from juice which apparently from my numbers can theoretically be as much as a 2000% return on investment is going straight into the pockets of these rich business owners who most of, from my personal experience, don't even vape or know that much about vaping. It is simply unjust to victimize people who are trying to quit a deadly addiction by picking up a revolutionary new technology and make money off of them simply because they have not put in hours of research. Now I understand that not all companies or business are at fault and that there are a lot of good people and influences in the vaping community, and this is just the tip of the iceberg, but one thing is for sure: There is already a large amount of corruption in the Vaping Community and I will be damned if I am going to sit idly by and watch it continue to grow without speaking out and taking action.

Sincerely With Compassion For All Earthlings,
Ambrose Fino
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Bravo!!!!!

Yes, no matter what the venders says, there is alot of profit to be had after you get the start off costs paid for...
 

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Getting down to it though, free market capitalism should even this out. Either DIY will take off, more companies will compete and lower prices as it vaping becomes more popular and profitable, or people will decide that paying $9 extra for a 30 ml bottle is worth not doing it yourself. I fall into the last category. I want to try DIY, just for the fun of it. But I don't have the space. I am happy to pay $10 for a 30 ml.
 

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While on Vacation me and my wife hit several vape shops and tried ALOT of different juices. She really like the Castle long by Five Pawns. I will say that I like a couple of their juices, but not at 27.50 for a 30 ml bottle. I did some looking around and found a clone recipe here on VU. While the recipe is not identical it is very close and costs about $2 for a 30ml. I normally keep 2 100 ml bottles on hand, when I open one I mix another to start it steeping.
 

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now that I got my tools in place, and bottles to store bulk mixes....it cost me 25 bux to make up 500ml of juice...I have 1500ml of juice in my cabinet steeping now and another 1500ml of juice I plan on whipping up after Christmas.....yay diy!
 

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That's old hat to many of us DIY ers . So tell us, how much are you going to sell juice for per 30 ml ?


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I had the same question myself so googled his site and found they are selling 30ml for $13 Trying to figure out how he arrived at this price point?
 

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Personally, I don't care how much the manufacturer profits from it. I compare the DIY yourself price and determine if it is worth it to me to make my own or buy it. $13 per 30ml seems doable for me. I think if it's good I'd be willing to go to $15 per 30ml before I really considered DIY. But then again 30ml lasts me 5 days at work or 2 days at home.
 

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Yeah ..... What a joke. Hey op.... Your talking to the wrong crowd here.

I wish I could quote that line from the jack Nicholson movie " as good as it gets" when he's talking to the neighbor lady.


Talk about slinging some bullshit. If I didn't DIY , I guess I wouldn't mind paying retail for it, but don't piss down my back and tell Me it's raining.


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Tunderball, it's about to start raining.
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now that I got my tools in place, and bottles to store bulk mixes....it cost me 25 bux to make up 500ml of juice...I have 1500ml of juice in my cabinet steeping now and another 1500ml of juice I plan on whipping up after Christmas.....yay diy!
I hope to be following in your footsteps soon. Congrats!
 

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He does have good prices for retail style liquids, and I believe he means well and comes from the heart. He has a really nice website and great sounding flavors. Good looking bottles AND he takes bit-coin....so I will buy a bottle from him and try them out. I do appreciate his efforts. I do agree that there is a ton of corruption in this industry, lots of asshats as well...
 

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I hope to be following in your footsteps soon. Congrats!
my first attempt tasted great,.....for a few days, then the salted caramel really took over! but thankfully I was given a tip as to how to roll the salted caramel flavor back and smooth it out, so now I have 1000ml of the salted caramel, cheesecake, blueberry and Graham cracker juice hehehehe.
 

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his liquid is about HALF the price of other top rated vendors. (21.99 for 60ml) if the juice is just as good, or better......then DVco is VERY well priced :)
 
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Dreamy, I was taking a look but got lazy. Do you have any recommendations for someone who likes fruity baked good flavors at warm vapes? My 2 current favorites are a banana bread and strawberry shortcake.
 

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I wished I could do the diy ,but with kids,friends an a wounded soldier in the house no way I know that the nic is something to be under lock etc. Anyway I wished I could never know what someone is putting in our stuff etc. even if they say it is safe etc. I know lately I got some stuff that I sent off to be tested waiting to see what comes up. I am glad and gratefull to this site and friends to help me weed out the good and bad.
 

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I wished I could do the diy ,but with kids,friends an a wounded soldier in the house no way I know that the nic is something to be under lock etc. Anyway I wished I could never know what someone is putting in our stuff etc. even if they say it is safe etc. I know lately I got some stuff that I sent off to be tested waiting to see what comes up. I am glad and gratefull to this site and friends to help me weed out the good and bad.

It's much easier than you think it is. Trust me, this is coming from someone with a 19-month-old running around the house getting into almost everything -- I have plenty of fears even with everyday items (no locks on oven doors and madness like that!). Not saying our situations are the same, but just that I strongly recommend you realize that safety need not be the major concern with DIYing with regard to nicotine. Know that your nic supply need not be anything much higher than your current preferred percentage. Your nic base supply can be, with respect to volume and strength: small/low, large/low, large/high or small/high. It's totally up to what your circumstances and willingness to work with allow.

Check here: http://www.ecigexpress.com/diy-e-li...3mg-unflavored-nicotine-base-select-size.html

That's nicotine base in 250 mL @ 3 mg/mL for $7.99, or you can get it in 3 mg/mL in a 30 mL bottle for $2.99 (or many other sizes and percentages). So basically your nic base can be no more dangerous than your current eliquid (assuming you actually keep eliquid in the house), it's totally left up to the buyer. But if your preferred strength is 100 mg/mL in prefilled cartos, you're SOL. LOL. Just kidding. Sorta. ;)
 
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$13 per 30ml covers all the operating expenses of our company pays our employees decently and gives us just the right amount of money to expand. Also $1.09 is BEFORE all the costs of packaging and shipping like bubble mailers, boxes, vacuum wrap, etc. Also consider that we distribute wholesale to vape shops, if we sold it any lower than we currently do, it would be hard for vape shops to make money because they cannot exceed our MSRP. It simply would not be viable for a vape shop to receive 30ml bottles for $6 and then sell them for $10 or less after paying shipping and insurance. Realistically, you cannot operate any business without making a decent amount of profit to pay for all the little fees and unexpected obstacles. Almost ALL of the profit (which isn't even a lot) from this company goes towards expansion so we can eventually lower our prices even more. I take out what I need for housing and food and that's it. I work very hard to help the vaping community and I don't profit from it one bit. If you think that is pissing down your back, I am sorry but you are just being a little too pretentious. I did not aim this article at any particular crowd, I simply stated my opinion about wealth distribution in the vaping industry. I am not attacking businesses or writing libel, I am simply informing the community that manufacturing E-liquid is a lot cheaper than most people think (for now). I wish for nothing more than to see the vaping community prosper into a true free market with integrity instead of this bullshit trend-consumerism that we have going on now.
 

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Exactly why i diy. I vape a 30ml a day. Could never buy that from a shop n still feed the kids.
 

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My goal is to open a vaping lounge/shop that will offer courses in everything DIY from juice to making your own mod. I will also carry what is being used currently,the tried and true equipment as well. Example I would have a course that taught coil building and wicking of rda's and rta's and the price of it would include a choice of dripper or dripper tank couple different wire gauges a couple different wicking materials and juice. I think it would be a hit. I'm still checking into funding sources right now.
 

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My goal is to open a vaping lounge/shop that will offer courses in everything DIY from juice to making your own mod. I will also carry what is being used currently,the tried and true equipment as well. Example I would have a course that taught coil building and wicking of rda's and rta's and the price of it would include a choice of dripper or dripper tank couple different wire gauges a couple different wicking materials and juice. I think it would be a hit. I'm still checking into funding sources right now.
The majority of vape shops around tha Atlanta area will do that for free just to keep you coming back. ;)
 

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I don't know that a course is the right way to go. I know my vape shop will show me if they have the time, and they usually do. But if I had to schedule it or buy something with it it would discourage me.
 

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I owned a restaurant where I sold 1/4lb hybrid Kobe burgers for $18 without sides. Nobody made my customers eat there....plenty of less expensive options. Was I ripping anyone off? NO.
Activisim against an unfair industry is one thing....but self promotion is yet another. We are not dumb or blind...we will pay what we will, as there are alternatives for all things at all price points. There are less ridiculous ways of promoting business. But I will applaud you for finding a way to inject politics into selling e-juice...BRAVO SIR!!!
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$13 per 30ml covers all the operating expenses of our company pays our employees decently and gives us just the right amount of money to expand. Also $1.09 is BEFORE all the costs of packaging and shipping like bubble mailers, boxes, vacuum wrap, etc. Also consider that we distribute wholesale to vape shops, if we sold it any lower than we currently do, it would be hard for vape shops to make money because they cannot exceed our MSRP. It simply would not be viable for a vape shop to receive 30ml bottles for $6 and then sell them for $10 or less after paying shipping and insurance. Realistically, you cannot operate any business without making a decent amount of profit to pay for all the little fees and unexpected obstacles. Almost ALL of the profit (which isn't even a lot) from this company goes towards expansion so we can eventually lower our prices even more. I take out what I need for housing and food and that's it. I work very hard to help the vaping community and I don't profit from it one bit. If you think that is pissing down your back, I am sorry but you are just being a little too pretentious. I did not aim this article at any particular crowd, I simply stated my opinion about wealth distribution in the vaping industry. I am not attacking businesses or writing libel, I am simply informing the community that manufacturing E-liquid is a lot cheaper than most people think (for now). I wish for nothing more than to see the vaping community prosper into a true free market with integrity instead of this bullshit trend-consumerism that we have going on now.

While your intentions sound good the "you don't profit one bit" comment i don't buy for a minute , and it's not because your comment below, it's because everyone goes into business to make a profit .

Almost ALL of the profit from this company goes towards expansion
 

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When I found these numbers out, I was outraged. Not even just at the industry itself, but mainly at the Vaping community. I was angry that no one of importance in the Vaping community has ever brought this to the public's attention. Large California companies are ripping you people off and laughing as they drive away in their Mercedes
In a free market system, prices are set based on what the market will bear. If people did not see the value in commercial eLiquids at those prices, the vendors would simply not be able to sell it. Nobody is ripping anybody off. If the customers did not see the price as fair, they would take their money elsewhere.

I have become so passionate about this problem that it pushed me not only start my own company and sell juice at fair prices, but to also advocate for lower prices in the industry as it is just downright UNFAIR for the lower class. It is my personal opinion that the roots of Vaping is 100% cessation. Vaping has ALWAYS been about quiting smoking, and a large part of that is cost reduction. The Industry has not only been turned into a trend-based consumer whirlpool, but it has actually become MORE EXPENSIVE than smoking cigarettes.
I can appreciate the fact that you want to offer your customers a better bargain. But unfair to the lower class? I don't think so. There are plenty of places that offer eLiquid at "bargain" prices if one simply looks for them. Your business included. Nothing is unfair about that.

With more RDAs coming out and more higher powered regulated devices, low-ohm vaping is at an all time high in popularity. I go through about 60ml a week vaping at around 3-6mg/ml. I consider that to be pretty average but quite a lot compared to when I first started vaping. When I smoked cigarettes, it would take me about 2-3 days to finish a pack. I have plenty of customers and friends who say they can easily vape a 30ml or even a 60ml in a single day.
II'm not sure that I agree with your opinion of "average" use for someone that is simply vaping to quit smoking. Quitters aren't the ones that sub ohm, or vape 60ml per week. Those folks are hobbyists. People who are trying to quit smoking typically use a higher level of nic than 3 or 6 mg, and therefore use a good bit less than 60ml per week. My point is, quitters vape less eLiquid with a higher nic content to satisfy their urge to smoke. Hobbyists vape much more eLiquid at a lower nic level because they are vaping for the enjoyment of vaping. Two different types of vapers. Vaping is cheaper for one type, more expensive for the other. It is certainly not a fairness or a class issue. As with everything else, it is a personal behavior issue.

I am not a hobbyist. I was a 1 - 1 1/2 PAD smoker for 30 years. I vape approx 3-5ml per day of 12mg eLiquid. The last 3 years that I smoked, I was rolling my own with American Spirit loose tobacco in the can. I am an engineer, so I tend to track things to the minute detail. I have actual numbers to share. When I smoked, I was spending $78.81 per month on tobacco, papers, and filters (the People's Republic of Maryland pricing) for a total of $945.75 per year. I started vaping on 11/1/13 and bought commercial eLiquids for the first 2 months before switching to DIY (I bought my last pre-made bottle on 1/27/14). I bought 107 bottles of flavorings, 2 gal each of PG/VG, 1.36L of 100mg nic, and an assortment of syringes, bottles, and other mixing equipment. With all of the DIY materials as well as 2 iTaste MVPs, 2 EVOD Twist batteries, a small RDA, and 5 Protank Minis, my total vaping cost for the year was $778.18, which is $64.85 per month. That is a savings of $167.57 for the year. I still have enough raw materials on hand to make my next 3 years' worth of eLiquid. In other words, my costs for the next 2+ years will be replacement batteries and coils.

The reason why I believe this is such an important injustice is that at least 50% of all the profit made from juice which apparently from my numbers can theoretically be as much as a 2000% return on investment is going straight into the pockets of these rich business owners who most of, from my personal experience, don't even vape or know that much about vaping. It is simply unjust to victimize people who are trying to quit a deadly addiction by picking up a revolutionary new technology and make money off of them simply because they have not put in hours of research.
It is nothing even close to an "injustice". If people were coerced into buying eLiquid (as they are coerced into buying healthcare), then that would be an injustice (similar to the ACA). There can be no injustice when the "victim" chooses to be in the position that they are in (they can always choose to buy MBV instead of Five Pawns). My hat is off to any business person that manages to get a 2000% margin on ANY product. I wonder if I could talk them into giving me lessons? They should be admired, not chastised, for such an accomplishment. Just think of the quality of life that they can give to their children and spouse. Again, any "victim" of of these business people would be a victim of their own sheer stupidity. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head, or threatening to lock them up if they don't buy the $27 30ml bottle of Gambit. All they need to break that deadly addiction is to borrow a computer and hit up some vendor for 3 $8 bottles and they'd still have enough cash left to go get a beer somewhere.

There is already a large amount of corruption in the Vaping Community and I will be damned if I am going to sit idly by and watch it continue to grow without speaking out and taking action.
I would have paid a consultant to write the story of how my business came to fruition instead of taking the approach that you have here. If I was still buying commercial eLiquid, I wouldn't buy from you. The reason being that you chose to go on a negative rant towards your competition, instead of extolling the virtues of your business. You referred to people who simply make bad choices as victims. You have proven that you harbor much ill will towards the one economic system proven by history to have liberated the most people from the grip of poverty. Those of us who appreciate that system tend to take your words as an attack on personal success. You charged an entire community with "corruption", which isn't exactly the best way to start a relationship with your customer base. You seem to have forgotten that the people in that community are your customer base. You'll get more bees with honey than you will with vinegar. Many of the people who have vaping related businesses and that are making healthy profits, have many friends, followers, happy customers in the community. Many of those same people are also admired and respected by the vaping community, even if they have committed the cardinal sin of turning a profit.

That being said, I wish you the best in your business ventures. May you find plenty of victims to help. I take it that you will be donating all of your profits to a charity or something? Lord knows you wouldn't want to become one those "rich business owners".
 

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I owned a restaurant where I sold 1/4lb hybrid Kobe burgers for $18 without sides. Nobody made my customers eat there....plenty of less expensive options. Was I ripping anyone off? NO.
Activisim against an unfair industry is one thing....but self promotion is yet another. We are not dumb or blind...we will pay what we will, as there are alternatives for all things at all price points. There are less ridiculous ways of promoting business. But I will applaud you for finding a way to inject politics into selling e-juice...BRAVO SIR!!!
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Getting down to it though, free market capitalism should even this out. Either DIY will take off, more companies will compete and lower prices as it vaping becomes more popular and profitable, or people will decide that paying $9 extra for a 30 ml bottle is worth not doing it yourself. I fall into the last category. I want to try DIY, just for the fun of it. But I don't have the space. I am happy to pay $10 for a 30 ml.


Trust me you don't need any space if your just doing it for yourself , i have literally no space , i use a top drawer to store my DIY stuff .

Everything will fit into a shoe box actually.
 

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If you called someone that has little money "lower class" in my presence.....I would feed you my fist. I am a Franciscan and a street minister and a pacifist...this means you really fucked me off with that comment.
 

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It's not a matter of storing it. My kitchen is so mall, I have to stand out of the way of the fridge to open it and my counter space is annoying small. I'm sure I could manage it but it would be so awkward and uncomfortable I don't want to.
 

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In a free market system, prices are set based on what the market will bear. If people did not see the value in commercial eLiquids at those prices, the vendors would simply not be able to sell it. Nobody is ripping anybody off. If the customers did not see the price as fair, they would take their money elsewhere.


I can appreciate the fact that you want to offer your customers a better bargain. But unfair to the lower class? I don't think so. There are plenty of places that offer eLiquid at "bargain" prices if one simply looks for them. Your business included. Nothing is unfair about that.


II'm not sure that I agree with your opinion of "average" use for someone that is simply vaping to quit smoking. Quitters aren't the ones that sub ohm, or vape 60ml per week. Those folks are hobbyists. People who are trying to quit smoking typically use a higher level of nic than 3 or 6 mg, and therefore use a good bit less than 60ml per week. My point is, quitters vape less eLiquid with a higher nic content to satisfy their urge to smoke. Hobbyists vape much more eLiquid at a lower nic level because they are vaping for the enjoyment of vaping. Two different types of vapers. Vaping is cheaper for one type, more expensive for the other. It is certainly not a fairness or a class issue. As with everything else, it is a personal behavior issue.

I am not a hobbyist. I was a 1 - 1 1/2 PAD smoker for 30 years. I vape approx 3-5ml per day of 12mg eLiquid. The last 3 years that I smoked, I was rolling my own with American Spirit loose tobacco in the can. I am an engineer, so I tend to track things to the minute detail. I have actual numbers to share. When I smoked, I was spending $78.81 per month on tobacco, papers, and filters (the People's Republic of Maryland pricing) for a total of $945.75 per year. I started vaping on 11/1/13 and bought commercial eLiquids for the first 2 months before switching to DIY (I bought my last pre-made bottle on 1/27/14). I bought 107 bottles of flavorings, 2 gal each of PG/VG, 1.36L of 100mg nic, and an assortment of syringes, bottles, and other mixing equipment. With all of the DIY materials as well as 2 iTaste MVPs, 2 EVOD Twist batteries, a small RDA, and 5 Protank Minis, my total vaping cost for the year was $778.18, which is $64.85 per month. That is a savings of $167.57 for the year. I still have enough raw materials on hand to make my next 3 years' worth of eLiquid. In other words, my costs for the next 2+ years will be replacement batteries and coils.


It is nothing even close to an "injustice". If people were coerced into buying eLiquid (as they are coerced into buying healthcare), then that would be an injustice (similar to the ACA). There can be no injustice when the "victim" chooses to be in the position that they are in (they can always choose to buy MBV instead of Five Pawns). My hat is off to any business person that manages to get a 2000% margin on ANY product. I wonder if I could talk them into giving me lessons? They should be admired, not chastised, for such an accomplishment. Just think of the quality of life that they can give to their children and spouse. Again, any "victim" of of these business people would be a victim of their own sheer stupidity. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head, or threatening to lock them up if they don't buy the $27 30ml bottle of Gambit. All they need to break that deadly addiction is to borrow a computer and hit up some vendor for 3 $8 bottles and they'd still have enough cash left to go get a beer somewhere.


I would have paid a consultant to write the story of how my business came to fruition instead of taking the approach that you have here. If I was still buying commercial eLiquid, I wouldn't buy from you. The reason being that you chose to go on a negative rant towards your competition, instead of extolling the virtues of your business. You referred to people who simply make bad choices as victims. You have proven that you harbor much ill will towards the one economic system proven by history to have liberated the most people from the grip of poverty. Those of us who appreciate that system tend to take your words as an attack on personal success. You charged an entire community with "corruption", which isn't exactly the best way to start a relationship with your customer base. You seem to have forgotten that the people in that community are your customer base. You'll get more bees with honey than you will with vinegar. Many of the people who have vaping related businesses and that are making healthy profits, have many friends, followers, happy customers in the community. Many of those same people are also admired and respected by the vaping community, even if they have committed the cardinal sin of turning a profit.

That being said, I wish you the best in your business ventures. May you find plenty of victims to help. I take it that you will be donating all of your profits to a charity or something? Lord knows you wouldn't want to become one those "rich business owners".


Very well done Sir , one of the best posts i have seen on this site.
 

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It's not a matter of storing it. My kitchen is so mall, I have to stand out of the way of the fridge to open it and my counter space is annoying small. I'm sure I could manage it but it would be so awkward and uncomfortable I don't want to.

Fair enough , i bet when you do run into $$ issues you will give it a go , and when you do , my guess is you'll kick yourself for not doing it earlier. Despite many peoples opinion , you do not need to buy lots of bottles, syringes , measuring devices etc...

I use a two dollar measuring cup , i bought 20 different 5ml bottles of flavoring (cost about eight bucks ) , i clean and refill old juice bottles that i bought in the past , and the only other thing i periodically buy is nicotine in double the strength of my typical nic level and i get it with 100% PG.

I do this because when i get it, i pour in the exact amount of VG which you can buy at any drug store , this doubles the amount of nic base i get and brings the nic level down exactly 50% . I buy 36mg and after adding VG it's at 18 mg which is my typical preferred strength.

Since you only add drops of the flavorings to the nic base i still have enough left over to last me well into next year and i spent $8.00 bucks on all of the flavorings.

Total investment , $30.00 -$40.00 and i have not bought a bottle of juice in 6 months .
 

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Fair enough , i bet when you do run into $$ issues you will give it a go , and when you do , my guess is you'll kick yourself for not doing it earlier. Despite many peoples opinion , you do not need to buy lots of bottles, syringes , measuring devices etc...

I use a two dollar measuring cup , i bought 20 different 5ml bottles of flavoring (cost about eight bucks ) , i clean and refill old juice bottles that i bought in the past , and the only other thing i periodically buy is nicotine in double the strength of my typical nic level and i get it with 100% PG.

I do this because when i get it, i pour in the exact amount of VG which you can buy at any drug store , this doubles the amount of nic base i get and brings the nic level down exactly 50% . I buy 36mg and after adding VG it's at 18 mg which is my typical preferred strength.

Since you only add drops of the flavorings to the nic base i still have enough left over to last me well into next year and i spent $8.00 bucks on all of the flavorings.

Total investment , $30.00 -$40.00 and i have not bought a bottle of juice in 6 months .
Rocking it the simple way....the best way.
 

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OK OP....you started off on a shit foot with this thread....but I do with the utmost sincerity wish you well in your endeavours, and much success to you and yours. Just remember that the best dishes are prepared with a humble heart.
 

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If you called someone that has little money "lower class" in my presence.....I would feed you my fist. I am a Franciscan and a street minister and a pacifist...this means you really fucked me off with that comment.

Wonder if he means "lower class" as people who earn less money or " lower class " as meaning trailer trash , either way an ass kicking is in order for sure.
 

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The challenge when I do start my DIY (I plan on buying a house next year that will have a large kitchen) will be making the baked goods flavors that I like. A friend of mine is making juice and he sells me 30ml for $6 and throws in samples of his new stuff. It is all good, but not as good as the juice I normally buy. Still, I now I will have fun experimenting with it.
 

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The challenge when I do start my DIY (I plan on buying a house next year that will have a large kitchen) will be making the baked goods flavors that I like. A friend of mine is making juice and he sells me 30ml for $6 and throws in samples of his new stuff. It is all good, but not as good as the juice I normally buy. Still, I now I will have fun experimenting with it.
Keep me posted...you are typing my language!
 

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The challenge when I do start my DIY (I plan on buying a house next year that will have a large kitchen) will be making the baked goods flavors that I like. A friend of mine is making juice and he sells me 30ml for $6 and throws in samples of his new stuff. It is all good, but not as good as the juice I normally buy. Still, I now I will have fun experimenting with it.

Good luck on the house friend , exciting time for you i'm sure. I wish you well when you do decide to give it a go , some people have that special gift and can come up with really outstanding recipes on their own, ( i'm not even remotely close to that point yet) as my stuff is barely vapable.

I will continue as i am no quitter , in the event that i expire after sampling one of my new recipes ( highly likely actually) , at least i had the smarts to not allow it to get out into the wild , and for that i die proud .
 

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It's not a matter of storing it. My kitchen is so mall, I have to stand out of the way of the fridge to open it and my counter space is annoying small. I'm sure I could manage it but it would be so awkward and uncomfortable I don't want to.
I'm disabled and literally put a 2' x 3' board across my lap while I recline in my La-Z-Boy because it is the only semi-comfortable way for me to "sit".
When I mix, I put the bottles of nic, pg, and vg on the far left of the board, my laptop in the center for running the eJuiceMeUp software for mixing percentages vs volume, and my flavorings on the far right. I mix in front the space in front of my laptop.

You really do not need much space to mix and all my supplies are in a small box that I keep in a locked room so my son can't get into them.
 

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