Absurd Juice Prices....

[u2smile]

Hi folks,
New here but for my first thread I thought I'd post what I was just looking at.
Over 3,700 bucks for a gallon of ejuice.... Kind of makes printer ink seem cheap.
Now the real kicker is out of that gallon will be ounces of flavorings the reat cheap VG PG.

Just like the printer ink people they seem to have us over the barrel.
I went and priced just nic liquid in Pg at 30 bucks for a liter..

You know most of us were reamed by the tobacco companies paying a buck for what cost then 10 cents
Then getting it again from the gov in taxes... smoking is bad for you so we will punish you....but dont quit cuz we need the loot.

So it saddens me that vaping companies have learned from printer ink and the gov.
The 30 ml bottle of halo juice at 20 bucks for really about 4 ml of flavorings..

Think about how much flavoring is in that pack of gum, that you just bought for a quarter.

Kind of like back in the day the herb man was a good guy who'd do you right... now the herb man will seek to burn you.
I am working on my own juices, but it bothers me to see this kind of greed.
Happy vapor trails to you.............

 

[Zamazam]

Thats why I DIY. I won't pay absurd prices for juice I can make myself for pennies.

 

[stevegmu]

$20 for what I consider the equivalent of about a carton of cigarettes seems quite reasonable...

 

[Cloudboss]

Do they make diy starter kits?

 

[RMarcusY]

Yes,
http://wholesale.heartlandvapes.com/diy-kit.html
here is one, there are many.

 

[RMarcusY]

So, u2smile where are you from?

 

[scarecrowjenkins]

Yes,
http://wholesale.heartlandvapes.com/diy-kit.html
here is one, there are many.

That's a damn fine link, thank you!

 

[CurlyxCracker]

$20 for what I consider the equivalent of about a carton of cigarettes seems quite reasonable...

When I first started (@ 24mg nic), i couldn't agree with this statement more. Now though (@ 6mg)?saying a 30ml bottle is the equivalent of a carton of analogs is highly inaccurate! I go through close to, if not, 30ml a day!
It's like the disposable cigalikes provide 200 puffs... Maybe 200 puffs for someone who cannot breath!
It's all dependent on the individual and their methods.

 

[Roguexx]

Suicide bunny had a bottle called obsidian. 100 bucks for 30 oz because it's steeped

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Hi folks,
New here but for my first thread I thought I'd post what I was just looking at.
Over 3,700 bucks for a gallon of ejuice.... Kind of makes printer ink seem cheap.
Now the real kicker is out of that gallon will be ounces of flavorings the reat cheap VG PG.

Just like the printer ink people they seem to have us over the barrel.
I went and priced just nic liquid in Pg at 30 bucks for a liter..

You know most of us were reamed by the tobacco companies paying a buck for what cost then 10 cents
Then getting it again from the gov in taxes... smoking is bad for you so we will punish you....but dont quit cuz we need the loot.

So it saddens me that vaping companies have learned from printer ink and the gov.
The 30 ml bottle of halo juice at 20 bucks for really about 4 ml of flavorings..

Think about how much flavoring is in that pack of gum, that you just bought for a quarter.

Kind of like back in the day the herb man was a good guy who'd do you right... now the herb man will seek to burn you.
I am working on my own juices, but it bothers me to see this kind of greed.
Happy vapor trails to you.............

I see a few threads like this every now and again. I agree the profit margin for cost of supplies and final product are very large for some vendors. We all want a cheaper costing product at the consumer level (including myself). But, there's more than supplies in running a business. There's things like rent, payroll, utilities, and insurance, just to name a few. Same as with any business. That's why the pennies it costs to make a pizza isn't what we pay for the finished pie... Is the mark up crazy high? Absolutely. But we have Lots of options, which also drives prices down and pushes companies to make a quality and unique product,which is great from a customer stand point.

 

[stevegmu]

When I first started (@ 24mg nic), i couldn't agree with this statement more. Now though (@ 6mg)?saying a 30ml bottle is the equivalent of a carton of analogs is highly inaccurate! I go through close to, if not, 30ml a day!
It's like the disposable cigalikes provide 200 puffs... Maybe 200 puffs for someone who cannot breath!
It's all dependent on the individual and their methods.

I can't even feel 6mg, so would probably be vaping a bottle a day trying to get nic. I don't see the point of going lower nic, and chain vaping all day to get the equivalent amount of nicotine...

 

[u2smile]

Hi Yes I too will be making most of my juices from now on.
I have used the strong loud juices like halo capt jack as a flavoring along with NET's
of my own cooking, I have one batch I have no idea of the nic level, but 3..4 vapes and your
head swims.....Goes well after a moderated. I am working with a blending pipe tobacco.
I think will be rich and smooth. That nice round TH
I've waver between the 18 and 24 in nic, but will in time will cut that so the vaping will be the activity that smoking was
For me it was 1/2 the nic and 1/2 the something to do.
As for the cost of biz, I am in biz and my markup is fair, I and my customers know that.
It is much harder to make gasoline, but you can buy it for 3 bucks a gallon
Milk 4 bucks a gallon. Paint 20 a gallon ......and on.
Has anyone used chewing tobacco for an net?

What is the one or 20 flavors you hear or see that people vape.
That you can't believe.....

 

[5150sick]

Don't buy from halo?

 

[Whiskey]

LOL

 

[Smoky Blue]

Hi Yes I too will be making most of my juices from now on.
I have used the strong loud juices like halo capt jack as a flavoring along with NET's
of my own cooking, I have one batch I have no idea of the nic level, but 3..4 vapes and your
head swims.....Goes well after a dube. I am working with a blending pipe tobacco.
I think will be rich and smooth. That nice round TH
I've waver between the 18 and 24 in nic, but will in time will cut that so the vaping will be the activity that smoking was
For me it was 1/2 the nic and 1/2 the something to do.
As for the cost of biz, I am in biz and my markup is fair, I and my customers know that.
It is much harder to make gasoline, but you can buy it for 3 bucks a gallon
Milk 4 bucks a gallon. Paint 20 a gallon ......and on.
Has anyone used chewing tobacco for an net?

What is the one or 20 flavors you hear or see that people vape.
That you can't believe.....

i have, and snuff and a few other things

as far as price.. price is relative to the buyer and seller.. but you do get what you pay for

 

[freemind]

I see a few threads like this every now and again. I agree the profit margin for cost of supplies and final product are very large for some vendors. We all want a cheaper costing product at the consumer level (including myself). But, there's more than supplies in running a business. There's things like rent, payroll, utilities, and insurance, just to name a few. Same as with any business. That's why the pennies it costs to make a pizza isn't what we pay for the finished pie... Is the mark up crazy high? Absolutely. But we have Lots of options, which also drives prices down and pushes companies to make a quality and unique product,which is great from a customer stand point.

You are either a fellow business owner, or one of the FEW that understand what it takes to run a business.

I do get that juice prices are absurd for the most part. The ingredients are the very LEAST of the cost. But profit margins at this point for B&M shops is honestly more like what jewelry mark up is. HUGE.

For those using 30 mils or less a week, price really isn't an issue. For those that drip 100+ mils a week, we are better off DIY. Until B&M's realize they are going to have to charge a LOT less to drippers, they will not have much of a following from serious juice users.

 

[vaperature]

Better get used to the B&M prices because with all the regulations coming prices are going to skyrocket in the future. B&M aren't interested in selling to cheap asses who get their shit online anyway, same way a fancy tavern isn't interested in the type who gets a 30 pack of Pabsts and sits at home all night drinking and watching reality TV.

 

[CDZVaper]

Ive heard of a juice that gets steeped for 2 months in an oak barrel, like whiskey.
The cost is like $80 bucks for 30 mls or something stupid like that.

I'll get the name later when I go to the vape shop.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

I can't even feel 6mg, so would probably be vaping a bottle a day trying to get nic. I don't see the point of going lower nic, and chain vaping all day to get the equivalent amount of nicotine...

Other way around for me. Started chain vaping and dripping which required me to drop nic percentages. Vaping is more than not smoking now. I enjoy it, more hobby now than a need.

 

[GrayVaper]

I buy coffee flavored juice in 236ml from Mt. Baker. My wife and I vape that flavor religiously. The rest of our flavors we buy from local shops to help support them.

 

[NightOwl]

The further I get away from smoking (4.5 years now), the more annoying the comparison to the cost of cigarettes becomes. They are different products with different ingredients. First off, most of the cost of cigarettes is taxes. So far eliquids only have basic sales tax, so the excessive markups go to the vendors not supporting our government or schools. If eliquids ever get taxed at the rate of smokes, cigarettes will be the bargain.

I get the pizza analogy and those little bottles in a multitude of flavors have a price, but we mostly don't eat pizza at every meal and there should be better economies of scale for volume purchases. Comparing it to aged whiskey is absurd.

Lucky for me my vaping has matured to be more like smoking. I have my basic brand (unflavored or unflavored with to 25- 50% BWB Casablanca for a kick--I can buy in 24mg version and dilute it down to my 6-12mg taste with VG saving some money) and haven't deviated from that in over 2 years. I vape for oral pleasure and regular dosing of nicotine and don't need to keep changing flavors to keep it interesting like I did when I first quit. I smoked the same brand of cigarettes for over 30 years.

I'd bet as vaping becomes more common place eliquids will get less expensive. If it gets taxed, the vendors will lower their margins to make up for it. I hate to cook, I totally sucked at mixing my own flavors and fiddling with all those bottles and labeling, so my happy place is unflavored. I buy unflavored premixed in 500 ml bottles and it's ridiculously cheap. I'm floored when I see what B&Ms charge and even more shocked to see people will pay that price for 0mg. Can the flavoring really be that special?

 

[Time]

Eliquid is worth what someone will pay for it. It has nothing to do with what it costs to make it. In large part, people are paying the seller for seller's knowledge of how to make juice and the labor that goes into it.

As with anything.

 

[NightOwl]

Do long term vapers continue to buy their eliquid at B&Ms? I'd be curious how far that market reaches beyond new vapers and the occasional emergency. Seems people eventually DIY because the prices don't justify the knowledge, ingredients, or labor. Even if I was filthy rich, I'd pay my butler to mix my juice and make my coils at home.

B&Ms have reasonable hardware prices that more than justify their hands on value added, but they turn around and charge $1-2 per ml for artificially flavored glycerin with a splash of nicotine. Welcome U2smile, it is worse than printer ink.

Poorer people without credit cards are also kind of stuck using B&Ms which is really sad given how much they'd save online. My mother's assisted living home is full of them and most end up rolling their own smokes and vape less as they run out of funds toward the end of the month.

Eliquid is worth what someone will pay for it. It has nothing to do with what it costs to make it. In large part, people are paying the seller for seller's knowledge of how to make juice and the labor that goes into it.

As with anything.

You're right, I guess someone has figured out smokers will pay up to the cost of smoking cigarettes for eliquids. That's why there are B&Ms popping up in every strip mall like nail salons.

 

[efektt]

You cant forget that expensive juice is a fashion statement to some people, just like clothing or cars or anything else. People like to show off that they can afford these things.

 

[Time]

You cant forget that expensive juice is a fashion statement to some people, just like clothing or cars or anything else. People like to show off that they can afford these things.

Yep. Just like wine, vodka or anything else.

I watched some show the other day and they set out a free sample stand for a made up bakery. They had two versions of chocolate cake. One was their "standard" cake and the other was a "special recipe" at twice the cost. 90% of the tasters preferred the expensive cake and were floored when they were told both cakes were exactly the same.

I see this in DIY juice as well. "The best nic." "Italian flavors." Hype is huge with juice. Both vendor and DIY.

 

[u2smile]

And a good vape to you today!
Odd to see censorship of a slang word for something that is legal in my state.Co.
I kind of wish that I did not like the halo juices, but I do so they have me by the short vapes.
What I have found is halo insults you with its price ,
Mount baker insults you with it's product..
So DIY seems the way to go, Anyone have a fav flavoring provider?
Mod this is the name... I am vaping today a fav OMFG juice from Kalamazoo
15 for a 30 so once again i do not buy tt often. H Ford sold lots of cars at a low price and became rich, he might have sold few for a lot
GreyVapor
I buy coffee flavored juice in 236ml from Mt. Baker. My wife and I vape that flavor religiously. The rest of our flavors we buy from local shops to help support them.
Really and it is good? I went and like a kid in candy store bought 7 juices all but one unusable. Plastic and perfumey after 2 months of aging
The Ry4 makes the dog sneeze when I open the jar.
Thanks to you will info and WOOF to those who wish to dog me.

 

[RMarcusY]

I trust and use these people for my juice needs.
http://wholesale.heartlandvapes.com/flavoring.html

 

[u2smile]

I trust and use these people for my juice needs.
http://wholesale.heartlandvapes.com/flavoring.html

Thanks for the info!
http://wholesale.heartlandvapes.com/blueberry-tobacco-bulk.html
Have you tried this? No description of reviews???

 

[RMarcusY]

I've tried about 50 different flavors from them.
I've been to their lab and seen the clean, professional people working there.
Don't be fooled by their low prices, they sell wholesale to a lot of shops, but will give retail customers the wholesale prices.
They don't have fancy bottles , with fancy labels , fancy juice names or fancy high prices. Just good , clean, safe to vape juice for a more than fair price.

 

[stevegmu]

If e-liquid is too expensive, people can choose to make their own or

Other way around for me. Started chain vaping and dripping which required me to drop nic percentages. Vaping is more than not smoking now. I enjoy it, more hobby now than a need.

Well, hobbies can be expensive, but they are always a choice...

 

[Cloudy Peak Vapes]

I know I still overpay comparing to DIY, but I don't remember the last time I bought store juice. Around me $14-$15 for 30ml is going rate, I can get quality online for $20 per 120ml. DIY is still way less expensive, and it's the last thing I keep saying I'm gonna do, and not doing it. I can handle $20 for 120ml. It takes some time, but you just have to order around a bit, and you should be able to find a juice you like that is reasonably priced.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

And a good vape to you today!
Odd to see censorship of a slang word for something that is legal in my state.Co.
I kind of wish that I did not like the halo juices, but I do so they have me by the short vapes.
What I have found is halo insults you with its price ,
Mount baker insults you with it's product..
So DIY seems the way to go, Anyone have a fav flavoring provider?
Mod this is the name... I am vaping today a fav OMFG juice from Kalamazoo
15 for a 30 so once again i do not buy tt often. H Ford sold lots of cars at a low price and became rich, he might have sold few for a lot
GreyVapor
I buy coffee flavored juice in 236ml from Mt. Baker. My wife and I vape that flavor religiously. The rest of our flavors we buy from local shops to help support them.
Really and it is good? I went and like a kid in candy store bought 7 juices all but one unusable. Plastic and perfumey after 2 months of aging
The Ry4 makes the dog sneeze when I open the jar.
Thanks to you will info and WOOF to those who wish to dog me.

Bull City Vapor. Hands down best customer interaction I've had. Drew over there is happy to help out and point you in the right direction! Lots to choose from, and they carry VT nic, which is hyped but for good reason!

 

[RMarcusY]

http://wholesale.heartlandvapes.com/bulk-eliquid.html
$20 for 250ml

 

[Zanaspus]

Do they make diy starter kits?

Starter kits are dubious in that they usually contain stuff you'll never use. Look at Rocket Puppy's "What do I need..." post in the DIY section and save some money.

 

[efektt]

Get some nic, vg, 1 and 10 ml syringes and fa flavors and you are good to go.

 

[u2smile]

Marcus have you tried the blueberry tobacco? What do you like?
The prices look good but no info on the site as to what it is about.

I picked up on ebay a halo G 6 for 12 buck on ebay with 4 filled "filters" of turkish juice
not bad it is kind of what I wanted for on the go, a bit to fat and the light is blue

battery life is good for the size. Odd that their base line model is black with a blue tip
Filled units only in black, though they sell white batteries w/ an orange tip and tan tanks
You would think for an analog sim that would be the base line model.
The blue light on any of my stuff is a confusion as it is a cold color, not that bright cherry
tht we smokers were used to.
https://www.halocigs.com/e-cigarette.html

 

[Time]

and they carry VT nic, which is hyped but for good reason!

It costs three times more so it has to be better.

When people expect a better taste, they taste what they expect to. Blind testing has shown that over and over again. I'm especially dubious with nic. The difference in impurities in 99.9% pharma grade nic are in the .0001% range other than water which is most of the .1%. It would take some very sensitive taste buds and nose hairs to pick out those minute differences. I think it's pure hype.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

It's cost three times more so it has to be better.

When people expect a better taste, they taste what they expect to. Blind testing has shown that over and over again. I'm especially dubious with nic. The difference in impurities in 99.9% pharma grade nic are in the .0001% range other than water which is most of the .1%. It would take some very sensitive taste buds and nose hairs to pick out those minute differences. I think it's pure hype.

I really wasn't expecting any difference, and didn't at first. Until I mixed at few fruit flavors that were muted with my nic sourced through WL. Nic can definitely taste different, based on a few factors. The Main one being where it originates, nic USALLY is sourced from China or India, it is then passed through Many hands some of which were it's processed and/or diluted. Not all nic is the same, believe me or not, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just like not all VG is the same regardless if it's 99.5% or not. What it's sourced from, what container it's held in, the process in which it's made all plays a role.

 

[RMarcusY]

Marcus have you tried the blueberry tobacco? What do you like?
The prices look good but no info on the site as to what it is about.

I picked up on ebay a halo G 6 for 12 buck on ebay with 4 filled "filters" of turkish juice
not bad it is kind of what I wanted for on the go, a bit to fat and the light is blue

battery life is good for the size. Odd that their base line model is black with a blue tip
Filled units only in black, though they sell white batteries w/ an orange tip and tan tanks
You would think for an analog sim that would be the base line model.
The blue light on any of my stuff is a confusion as it is a cold color, not that bright cherry
tht we smokers were used to.
https://www.halocigs.com/e-cigarette.html

I don't use anything that has tobacco in it. I have done their blueberry wild and blueberry (extra) I liked both. I have found that any thing that I would like to eat, I like to vape. Fruit ,anything with the word Cream or vanilla in it. I keep about 30 single flavors in my desk and try something different every day. Right now I'm enjoying a mix of half Dragonfruit, half Banana Cream.

 

[Time]

I really wasn't expecting any difference, and didn't at first. Until I mixed at few fruit flavors that were muted with my nic sourced through WL. Nic can definitely taste different, based on a few factors. The Main one being where it originates, nic USALLY is sourced from China or India, it is then passed through Many hands some of which were it's processed and/or diluted. Not all nic is the same, believe me or not, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just like not all VG is the same regardless if it's 99.5% or not. What it's sourced from, what container it's held in, the process in which it's made all plays a role.

Where did you hear all that?


Nobody likes to think they fell for hype. Not even me. I'd love to set up a blind taste test for nic.

 

[efektt]

Nic blind taste test would be awsome. I remember they did it for vodka not too long ago, most people thought the grey goose sample was crap. I knew there was a reason I wouldnt buy it, but that was because I am cheap.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Where did you hear all that?


Nobody likes to think they fell for hype. Not even me. I'd love to set up a blind taste test for nic.

Everything you read on the Internet is true, duh.
But in all seriousness multiple sources. And personal first hand experience.
While it's not blind, i have first tried to compare side by side. Couldn't understand what was so great, UNTIL I used VT exclusively for a week or two and then used up my WL nic. I can say from personal experience, there is a change. Again, I have no stake in VT and wasn't about to try it until it was offered in smaller quantities. But I do know I haven't invested anymore money in my nic but when I eventually do, it will be VT nic and not WL as it is in fact harsh.
Just the same as ED VG tastes better than Humco, and Humco even costs more.

 

[u2smile]

I don't use anything that has tobacco in it. I have done their blueberry wild and blueberry (extra) I liked both. I have found that any thing that I would like to eat, I like to vape. Fruit ,anything with the word Cream or vanilla in it. I keep about 30 single flavors in my desk and try something different every day. Right now I'm enjoying a mix of half Dragonfruit, half Banana Cream.

HA! You and I are like night and day.
Were you ever a smoker?
Above I asked if anyone saw or knew ppl who vaped what they thought was strange.
or could not imagine vaping.
for me anything other than tobaccoish menthol, rum vanilla blueberry, pipe flavors
Like skittles, if I want them i will eat them, not inhale them.
I was surprised to find i liked the blueberry, but only added to tobacco

You know I ever thought about it till now... are there and there must be
People who never smoked and vape for fun.

Dam halo I am really liking this Turkish tobacco in the G 6

 

[Time]

Everything you read on the Internet is true, duh.
But in all seriousness multiple sources. And personal first hand experience.
While it's not blind, i have first tried to compare side by side. Couldn't understand what was so great, UNTIL I used VT exclusively for a week or two and then used up my WL nic. I can say from personal experience, there is a change. Again, I have no stake in VT and wasn't about to try it until it was offered in smaller quantities. But I do know I haven't invested anymore money in my nic but when I eventually do, it will be VT nic and not WL as it is in fact harsh.
Just the same as ED VG tastes better than Humco, and Humco even costs more.

Nic is not the same as VG. VG can be obtained from countless vegetable sources all of which can give different results. There is no analysis given for VG or PG that I know of. Pure nicotine is pure nicotine. Pharma grade, that is. The only difference can be in the contaminants. I was curious about this awhile back and since most vendors provide a certificate of analysis for their nic, I looked at all of them. I came to the conclusion that very few people, if any, would have the ability to taste or smell the difference in a contaminate at the one thousandths of one percent that is present in all pharma grade nic. It's just impossible. VT nic is sourced in the UK but it originally comes from India.

Here is the kicker for me. Most of the people that claim that the source, container and what not makes a difference and that VT is the god of nic also claim that VT TH nic is great stuff. The throat hit nic is simply old, oxidized nic. Hyped to be something good. When people will hype VT throat hit nic I no longer find them credible. It's old and oxidized nic. Great marketing and they do have a very loyal following. I'd have to be very loyal to recommend someone buy old oxidized nic.

 

[RMarcusY]

HA! You and I are like night and day.
Were you ever a smoker?
Above I asked if anyone saw or knew ppl who vaped what they thought was strange.
or could not imagine vaping.
for me anything other than tobaccoish menthol, rum vanilla blueberry, pipe flavors
Like skittles, if I want them i will eat them, not inhale them.
I was surprised to find i liked the blueberry, but only added to tobacco

You know I ever thought about it till now... are there and there must be
People who never smoked and vape for fun.

Dam halo I am really liking this Turkish tobacco in the G 6

I smoked for over 45 years, mostly menthol, pack and a half a day. I used all the quit smoking methods without success. I have now not smoked in over 14 months.

 

[efektt]

HA! You and I are like night and day.
Were you ever a smoker?
Above I asked if anyone saw or knew ppl who vaped what they thought was strange.
or could not imagine vaping.
for me anything other than tobaccoish menthol, rum vanilla blueberry, pipe flavors
Like skittles, if I want them i will eat them, not inhale them.
I was surprised to find i liked the blueberry, but only added to tobacco

You know I ever thought about it till now... are there and there must be
People who never smoked and vape for fun.

Dam halo I am really liking this Turkish tobacco in the G 6

Give it some time, you will be vaping foods and all kinds of weird shit

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Nic is not the same as VG. VG can be obtained from countless vegetable sources all of which can give different results. There is no analysis given for VG or PG that I know of. Pure nicotine is pure nicotine. Pharma grade, that is. The only difference can be in the contaminants. I was curious about this awhile back and since most vendors provide a certificate of analysis for their nic, I looked at all of them. I came to the conclusion that very few people, if any, would have the ability to taste or smell the difference in a contaminate at the one thousandths of one percent that is present in all pharma grade nic. It's just impossible. VT nic is sourced in the UK but it originally comes from India.

Here is the kicker for me. Most of the people that claim that the source, container and what not makes a difference and that VT is the god of nic also claim that VT TH nic is great stuff. The throat hit nic is simply old, oxidized nic. Hyped to be something good. When people will hype VT throat hit nic I no longer find them credible. It's old and oxidized nic. Great marketing and they do have a very loyal following. I'd have to be very loyal to recommend someone buy old oxidized nic.

But what we buy for our use, isn't pure nicotine. I know for a fact a lot of diy vendors buy nicotine already "cut" and "cut" it again. Unless it's worked with in a vacuum, oxidation starts immediately, which changes. Let's compare, when illegal substances are bought an sold, the final consumer product is definitely not the same as the manufacturer had made. Nicotine we use differs batch to batch, it can definitely differ depending on who is "processing" it.
I also have never had nor want throat hit nicotine.
At this point were referring to two different products. In DIY it's never advised to use more than 100mg/ml nicotine.
On that note, "pure" nicotine is dangerous to handle. Please if anyone is going to use "pure" nic, do so safely.

 

[Time]

But what we buy for our use, isn't pure nicotine. I know for a fact a lot of diy vendors buy nicotine already "cut" and "cut" it again. Unless it's worked with in a vacuum, oxidation starts immediately, which changes. Let's compare, when illegal substances are bought an sold, the final consumer product is definitely not the same as the manufacturer had made. Nicotine we use differs batch to batch, it can definitely differ depending on who is "processing" it.
At this point were referring to two different products. In DIY it's never advised to use more than 100mg/ml nicotine.
On that note, "pure" nicotine is dangerous to handle. Please if anyone is going to use "pure" nic, do so safely.

What vendors buy diluted nic and dilute it more?

They sure wouldn't make much money doing that. Pure nic is easy to get. If they are buying 100mg nic to resale, that's just dumb. Hell, if that's true I need to start selling nic.

I wouldn't think most big vendors, VT, Nude, Heartland, Nicvape and ect are reselling nic base. The ones that only sell small bottles might, I don't know.

But, you are correct. Stirring speeds up oxidation. It can be reduced though. My nic isn't oxidized yet and I bought it in sept.

 

[u2smile]

Nic blind taste test would be awsome. I remember they did it for vodka not too long ago, most people thought the grey goose sample was crap. I knew there was a reason I wouldnt buy it, but that was because I am cheap.

YEP here are 2 computers they run as fast do all that they do, one has an apple on it and costs alot
the other has no apple and is reasonable priced.

As for booze the first thing it wipes out is your sense of taste.

Wonder if Mercedes is going to come out with an e juice?

 

[Smoky Blue]

What vendors buy diluted nic and dilute it more?

They sure wouldn't make much money doing that. Pure nic is easy to get. If they are buying 100mg nic to resale, that's just dumb. Hell, if that's true I need to start selling nic.

I wouldn't think most big vendors, VT, Nude, Heartland, Nicvape and ect are reselling nic base. The ones that only sell small bottles might, I don't know.

But, you are correct. Stirring speeds up oxidation. It can be reduced though. My nic isn't oxidized yet and I bought it in sept.

99% chance, those you just named are cutting nic (down)

but please.. lets keep pure nic out.. eh?? i have to agree, 100ml nic is safer for the average home diy'er.